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Re: AXA Toolposts for sale

 

I'm glad you asked for one. I almost asked for both. Was up in the middle of the night when that post hit, and had all but hit the send button when I realized I don't really need them. Could use them, but not need. So I deleted my message. I was going to use one on my Smithy CB-1220XL, and the other on my South Bend Heavy 10L, but neither of those machines are done being refurbished, and at the rate I'm getting work done on them may not be done this century. Best I leave the tool posts for someone who can put them to use RFN.?

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 11:34:16 AM CDT, mikefrommontanan <mikefrommontana@...> wrote:


Mr. Reynolds:

I bet the whoosh of those going out the door was a thing to behold.

However if by chance luck there is one left, of either flavor, I would be interested in it.? Granted, I'll be putting it on my Smithy, but it'll beat the cheesy 4 way toolpost that I have and anything that makes machining easier is more likely to get me to do more machining.

Obviously though, if the toolposts have been spoken for.? Ah well.

Appreciate letting me know either way and, if I am so lucky, how and where to remit payment.

Thanks for the offer to the trade.


Michael Seitz
938 South Fifth Street West
Missoula MT 59801

On 3/30/2023 2:10 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:
Hello,
I have two AXA size toolposts that I am tired of looking at.? Both are piston type, One is brand new still in grease paper and the other one has been mounted on a lathe and barely used.? I would like to get $ 30 each plus shipping.? I? do not want to start a discussion about wedge vs piston, but I have one of these on my heavy 10 and it works great!? Please get back to me jackandladyreynolds@....? Thanks for the bandwidth.
Jack Reynolds


Re: AXA Toolposts for sale

 

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Mr. Reynolds:

I bet the whoosh of those going out the door was a thing to behold.

However if by chance luck there is one left, of either flavor, I would be interested in it.? Granted, I'll be putting it on my Smithy, but it'll beat the cheesy 4 way toolpost that I have and anything that makes machining easier is more likely to get me to do more machining.

Obviously though, if the toolposts have been spoken for.? Ah well.

Appreciate letting me know either way and, if I am so lucky, how and where to remit payment.

Thanks for the offer to the trade.


Michael Seitz
938 South Fifth Street West
Missoula MT 59801

On 3/30/2023 2:10 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:

Hello,
I have two AXA size toolposts that I am tired of looking at.? Both are piston type, One is brand new still in grease paper and the other one has been mounted on a lathe and barely used.? I would like to get $ 30 each plus shipping.? I? do not want to start a discussion about wedge vs piston, but I have one of these on my heavy 10 and it works great!? Please get back to me jackandladyreynolds@....? Thanks for the bandwidth.
Jack Reynolds


AXA Toolposts for sale

 

Hello,
I have two AXA size toolposts that I am tired of looking at.? Both are piston type, One is brand new still in grease paper and the other one has been mounted on a lathe and barely used.? I would like to get $ 30 each plus shipping.? I? do not want to start a discussion about wedge vs piston, but I have one of these on my heavy 10 and it works great!? Please get back to me jackandladyreynolds@....? Thanks for the bandwidth.
Jack Reynolds


Re: Selling my Heavy 10x36

 

That's right! Wave bloody meat in front of carnivores! If you take Paypal, I might be interested, too! ;)?

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 02:28:01 PM CDT, OrenT via groups.io <orentruitt@...> wrote:


I have a Heavy 10 with a 36¡± bed, large through hole, set up for C collets. ?Has a 3-jaw chuck on it.
?A 4-jaw comes with it but needs the backer plate changed to fit the lathe. ?3-phase motor comes with solid state converter so it can run on a 220 line. ?

Mounted on the Southbend base.?

I will get photos asap?

I used it in my gunsmithing shop. ?Great for turning and chambering barrels. ?

Has been in storage for 3 years, protected from weather. Was working fine before moving it into storage. ?

I had thought about opening my gunsmithing business in my new location but have decided against it. ?

Not certain what a fair price would be, researching that. ?

Whoever buys it is responsible for moving, loading and transporting it. ?

OrenT?


Re: Selling my Heavy 10x36

 

Where are you located?


On Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 2:28 PM OrenT via <orentruitt=[email protected]> wrote:

I have a Heavy 10 with a 36¡± bed, large through hole, set up for C collets.? Has a 3-jaw chuck on it.
?A 4-jaw comes with it but needs the backer plate changed to fit the lathe. ?3-phase motor comes with solid state converter so it can run on a 220 line. ?

Mounted on the Southbend base.?

I will get photos asap?

I used it in my gunsmithing shop.? Great for turning and chambering barrels. ?

Has been in storage for 3 years, protected from weather. Was working fine before moving it into storage. ?

I had thought about opening my gunsmithing business in my new location but have decided against it. ?

Not certain what a fair price would be, researching that. ?

Whoever buys it is responsible for moving, loading and transporting it. ?

OrenT?


Re: Selling my Heavy 10x36

 

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Where?

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of OrenT via groups.io <orentruitt@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 3:27:59 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Selling my Heavy 10x36
?

I have a Heavy 10 with a 36¡± bed, large through hole, set up for C collets. ?Has a 3-jaw chuck on it.
?A 4-jaw comes with it but needs the backer plate changed to fit the lathe. ?3-phase motor comes with solid state converter so it can run on a 220 line. ?

Mounted on the Southbend base.?

I will get photos asap?

I used it in my gunsmithing shop. ?Great for turning and chambering barrels. ?

Has been in storage for 3 years, protected from weather. Was working fine before moving it into storage. ?

I had thought about opening my gunsmithing business in my new location but have decided against it. ?

Not certain what a fair price would be, researching that. ?

Whoever buys it is responsible for moving, loading and transporting it. ?

OrenT?


Selling my Heavy 10x36

OrenT
 

I have a Heavy 10 with a 36¡± bed, large through hole, set up for C collets. ?Has a 3-jaw chuck on it.
?A 4-jaw comes with it but needs the backer plate changed to fit the lathe. ?3-phase motor comes with solid state converter so it can run on a 220 line. ?

Mounted on the Southbend base.?

I will get photos asap?

I used it in my gunsmithing shop. ?Great for turning and chambering barrels. ?

Has been in storage for 3 years, protected from weather. Was working fine before moving it into storage. ?

I had thought about opening my gunsmithing business in my new location but have decided against it. ?

Not certain what a fair price would be, researching that. ?

Whoever buys it is responsible for moving, loading and transporting it. ?

OrenT?


Re: FS: Baldor Motor and TECO drive combo for your lathe or other machines

 

Sounds good!

Best
John

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Richard Green
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] FS: Baldor Motor and TECO drive combo for your
lathe or other machines


On Fri, 3 Mar 2023, John Fischer wrote:

Rick
To your point of motors, you are never going to be able to get specs
or support on a motor like that, so if you use one, I would not
design like it is going to work across such a wide range. I would
never want to be without very low speeds for things like drilling a
large hole using a hole saw or fly cutter.
TAANSTAFL! At ~$200 vs. $$800+, I realized I must be dreaming. Is
there any middle ground between Baldor and no-name import???
The mill now has a 1HP single-phase motor. I was hoping that using a
2HP motor with a 2HP VFD would compensate for the fall-off in torque
at lower speeds. :-)
I took your advice, and kept looking. It paid off when I found a NOS
Baldor/Reliance 1.5hp motor for a reasonable price (less than twice the cost
of the no-name import). I paired it with an inexpensive sensorless vector
2kW VFD from Amazon, and yesterday, I was able to wire and configure it on
the bench and was rewarded with a (no-load) smooth speed range of 90 to
6000RPM. It'll have a
2:1 reduction belt drive when mounted on the mill.

--
Rick Green


Re: FS: Baldor Motor and TECO drive combo for your lathe or other machines

 

On Fri, 3 Mar 2023, John Fischer wrote:

Rick
To your point of motors, you are never going to be able to get specs or
support on a motor like that, so if you use one, I would not design like it
is going to work across such a wide range. I would never want to be without
very low speeds for things like drilling a large hole using a hole saw or
fly cutter.
TAANSTAFL! At ~$200 vs. $$800+, I realized I must be dreaming. Is there any middle ground between Baldor and no-name import???
The mill now has a 1HP single-phase motor. I was hoping that using a 2HP motor with a 2HP VFD would compensate for the fall-off in torque at lower speeds. :-)
I took your advice, and kept looking. It paid off when I found a NOS Baldor/Reliance 1.5hp motor for a reasonable price (less than twice the cost of the no-name import). I paired it with an inexpensive sensorless vector 2kW VFD from Amazon, and yesterday, I was able to wire and configure it on the bench and was rewarded with a (no-load) smooth speed range of 90 to 6000RPM. It'll have a 2:1 reduction belt drive when mounted on the mill.

--
Rick Green


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

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I think that the problem with that product may have been those plastic beads.? In the last few years, micro-plastic not only have shown up in soil and water samples, but in farm animal flesh, and yes, in our own bodies. The health risks are not certain, yet, but our state govt errs on the conservative side there.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Nick Andrews
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 7:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

?

No,? this was something from a company I'd never heard of,? like a person's name but not a major brand of any kind.? Like maybe that was their only product.?

?

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 4:52 PM Rangelov <rangelov@...> wrote:

Hey Nick,

You never answered if the industrial hand cleaner that I mentioned is the same stuff that you were looking for.

On Friday, March 10, 2023, 09:21:15 AM MST, <rangelov@...> wrote:

?

?

Nick,

?

It might been Kimberly-Clark (or Scott, same company now). Kimberly-Clark Professional Super Duty Hand Cleaner with Grit (no. 91388).? The grit was fine plastic beads.? The stuff WAS excellent hand cleaner.

?

It really dissolves grease.? Rub into hands, rinse with a bit if water, keep rubbing, repeat.? Your hands look like you are an office worker when done.? Especially if you use a toothbrush, it is softer, gentler and gets at all the dirt.

?

It is no longer available.? It had something in it that Californias law concerning cancer causing chemicals was identified.

?

91388 was used at Ford, where I worked at one time.? I got some thru the rep that supplied Ford and from a local industrial supply house that was swallowed up by Grainger (and now I cannot buy from them).

?

I used to buy it in 4 one gallon cases (with pump on each gallon).? I still have a gallon or two left.? I use it sparingly, since there is no more left, anywhere else.

?

Regards, Dimitar

?

?

1a.

OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

From: Nick Andrews

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:54:31 PST

A while back, okay almost 20 years ago, a friend worked at Jorgenson Steel in Denver.? You know how that mill oil on steel is...?? He and I and a roommate started a floor cleaning business and did the floors there at night.? They had a hand cleaner in the locker rooms that from what I recall was a green powder, not a liquid, and it worked with or without water and did not leave your hands slippery, greasy or stinky at all.? I'd forgotten about it until recently and cannot recall the name but it was amazing.? Anyone have any ideas on what it might be and if it's even still made?? It was not a typical household brand, more like an industrial supply type product you'd never see on a store shelf.


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

No,? this was something from a company I'd never heard of,? like a person's name but not a major brand of any kind.? Like maybe that was their only product.?


On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 4:52 PM Rangelov <rangelov@...> wrote:
Hey Nick,

You never answered if the industrial hand cleaner that I mentioned is the same stuff that you were looking for.
On Friday, March 10, 2023, 09:21:15 AM MST, <rangelov@...> wrote:


Nick,

It might been Kimberly-Clark (or Scott, same company now). Kimberly-Clark Professional Super Duty Hand Cleaner with Grit (no. 91388).? The grit was fine plastic beads.? The stuff WAS excellent hand cleaner.

It really dissolves grease.? Rub into hands, rinse with a bit if water, keep rubbing, repeat.? Your hands look like you are an office worker when done.? Especially if you use a toothbrush, it is softer, gentler and gets at all the dirt.

It is no longer available.? It had something in it that Californias law concerning cancer causing chemicals was identified.

91388 was used at Ford, where I worked at one time.? I got some thru the rep that supplied Ford and from a local industrial supply house that was swallowed up by Grainger (and now I cannot buy from them).

I used to buy it in 4 one gallon cases (with pump on each gallon).? I still have a gallon or two left.? I use it sparingly, since there is no more left, anywhere else.

Regards, Dimitar


1a.
OT Maybe? Hand cleaners
From: Nick Andrews
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:54:31 PST
A while back, okay almost 20 years ago, a friend worked at Jorgenson Steel in Denver.? You know how that mill oil on steel is...?? He and I and a roommate started a floor cleaning business and did the floors there at night.? They had a hand cleaner in the locker rooms that from what I recall was a green powder, not a liquid, and it worked with or without water and did not leave your hands slippery, greasy or stinky at all.? I'd forgotten about it until recently and cannot recall the name but it was amazing.? Anyone have any ideas on what it might be and if it's even still made?? It was not a typical household brand, more like an industrial supply type product you'd never see on a store shelf.


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

Hey Nick,

You never answered if the industrial hand cleaner that I mentioned is the same stuff that you were looking for.
On Friday, March 10, 2023, 09:21:15 AM MST, <rangelov@...> wrote:


Nick,

It might been Kimberly-Clark (or Scott, same company now). Kimberly-Clark Professional Super Duty Hand Cleaner with Grit (no. 91388).? The grit was fine plastic beads.? The stuff WAS excellent hand cleaner.

It really dissolves grease.? Rub into hands, rinse with a bit if water, keep rubbing, repeat.? Your hands look like you are an office worker when done.? Especially if you use a toothbrush, it is softer, gentler and gets at all the dirt.

It is no longer available.? It had something in it that Californias law concerning cancer causing chemicals was identified.

91388 was used at Ford, where I worked at one time.? I got some thru the rep that supplied Ford and from a local industrial supply house that was swallowed up by Grainger (and now I cannot buy from them).

I used to buy it in 4 one gallon cases (with pump on each gallon).? I still have a gallon or two left.? I use it sparingly, since there is no more left, anywhere else.

Regards, Dimitar


1a.
OT Maybe? Hand cleaners
From: Nick Andrews
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:54:31 PST
A while back, okay almost 20 years ago, a friend worked at Jorgenson Steel in Denver.? You know how that mill oil on steel is...?? He and I and a roommate started a floor cleaning business and did the floors there at night.? They had a hand cleaner in the locker rooms that from what I recall was a green powder, not a liquid, and it worked with or without water and did not leave your hands slippery, greasy or stinky at all.? I'd forgotten about it until recently and cannot recall the name but it was amazing.? Anyone have any ideas on what it might be and if it's even still made?? It was not a typical household brand, more like an industrial supply type product you'd never see on a store shelf.


Parts

 

Landed on this site tonite & saw they have some South Bend
Lathe parts


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

And Borax, by the same company, is widely used as brazing and soldering flux, and as a laundry additive. I buy a box every year or so, depending on how fast I use it up. Dad used to keep his in an old oatmeal container. You'd get the brazing rod hot, dunk it in the powdered Borax (sodium borate) and it would melt and coat the rod. Good stuff!

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)?

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.




On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 09:10:25 AM CST, Jack Jennings <jejennings@...> wrote:


To Eddie, ?

Boraxo works very well with grease, is based on a natural mineral, and is still available,?
. ?I still have a some in the white plastic bottles that¡¯s 30 years old.
?
Jack


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

To Eddie, ?

Boraxo works very well with grease, is based on a natural mineral, and is still available,?
. ?I still have a some in the white plastic bottles that¡¯s 30 years old.
?
Jack


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

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??? ??? Yep 20 Mule Borax , Ronald? Reagan . The TV show was called Death Valley Days . I had a model of the train , putting together & gluing 20 mules , what fun .

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On 3/10/2023 8:46 AM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io wrote:

Can't put fine plastic beads in hand cleaner nowadays, as after passing through the sewage works, they end up in the ocean. The whole point of using plastic was that it is neutral bouyancy so didn't settle out in U bends in sinks etc. like sand does, and therefore it didn't settle out at the sewage works either, passing straight through into the river. They tend to use pumice dust nowadays.


In my work as an engineering consultant I have visited many industrial premises and therefore used many different hand cleaners supplied on site. One was a paste that needed a little water added before rubbing, but it worked well. No idea of the name, but it needed its own unique dispensers (pull a lever sideways). My railway now uses the best gel I have ever used, tiny quantities needed, and it is called Cherry Bomb. I suspect it of being a USA product?


Didn't that ex B movie actor who went on to become a B movie president advertise something called Boraxo? Never saw it in the UK. Was that any good?


When I was about 3 (1957 or so), I used to "help" my dad fix engines, cars etc. We didn't even have Swarfega then. Used to use scouring powder (Vim or Ajax) and he would rub one of my little hands between his great shovels of appendages and rub till I scarcely had any skin left. Alternatively, it was a petrol (I believe an alternative term may be "gasoline") bath.


And if you think steelworks mill oil is evil, get yourself a locomotive. Steam oil is typically 680 or 100 centistokes, and there is ash, soot & coal dust everywhere. Alternatively, if your thing is main line Diesel electric locos, the traction motor gear cases are lubricated with something even worse, that needs warming to dispense it. It used to be called Motak or Regent made a product called Crater. Leaks would hang down in strings underneath and if you were walking along a pit, the only remedy to walking into one was to cut off the affected hair. Of course, a less carcinogenic product is now substituted, as those were full of asphaltenes.


Eddie


------ Original Message ------ From: "Rangelov" <rangelov@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 10 Mar, 23 At 16:21 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT Maybe? Hand cleaners Nick, It might been Kimberly-Clark (or Scott, same company now). Kimberly-Clark Professional Super Duty Hand Cleaner with Grit (no. 91388). The grit was fine plastic beads. The stuff WAS excellent hand cleaner. It really dissolves grease. Rub into hands, rinse with a bit if water, keep rubbing, repeat. Your hands look like you are an office worker when done. Especially if you use a toothbrush, it is softer, gentler and gets at all the dirt. It is no longer available. It had something in it that Californias law concerning cancer causing chemicals was identified. 91388 was used at Ford, where I worked at one time. I got some thru the rep that supplied Ford and from a local industrial supply house that was swallowed up by Grainger (and now I cannot buy from them). I used to buy it in 4 one gallon cases (with pump on each gallon). I still have a gallon or two left. I use it sparingly, since there is no more left, anywhere else. Regards, Dimitar 1a. OT Maybe? Hand cleaners From: Nick Andrews Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:54:31 PST A while back, okay almost 20 years ago, a friend worked at Jorgenson Steel in Denver. You know how that mill oil on steel is... He and I and a roommate started a floor cleaning business and did the floors there at night. They had a hand cleaner in the locker rooms that from what I recall was a green powder, not a liquid, and it worked with or without water and did not leave your hands slippery, greasy or stinky at all. I'd forgotten about it until recently and cannot recall the name but it was amazing. Anyone have any ideas on what it might be and if it's even still made? It was not a typical household brand, more like an industrial supply type product you'd never see on a store shelf.


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

Way way back when I was a mechanic at a gas station in the?
70's we had a guy that would come by & suck all the old oil from our
underground tank & give gallons of hand cleaner in return . There was a
conversion how many gallons you would get for how many gallons of oil .
Best hand cleaner I ever used kinda like what Dimitar mentioned . Have
never found anything close . Now a days I keep spray bottles here &
there full of 409 , just spray & work in some & dry off . Works good
enough that I only use hand cleaner at the end of the day now .

??? ??? animal

On 3/10/2023 8:21 AM, Rangelov wrote:
Nick,

It might been Kimberly-Clark (or Scott, same company now). Kimberly-Clark Professional Super Duty Hand Cleaner with Grit (no. 91388). The grit was fine plastic beads. The stuff WAS excellent hand cleaner.

It really dissolves grease. Rub into hands, rinse with a bit if water, keep rubbing, repeat. Your hands look like you are an office worker when done. Especially if you use a toothbrush, it is softer, gentler and gets at all the dirt.

It is no longer available. It had something in it that Californias law concerning cancer causing chemicals was identified.

91388 was used at Ford, where I worked at one time. I got some thru the rep that supplied Ford and from a local industrial supply house that was swallowed up by Grainger (and now I cannot buy from them).

I used to buy it in 4 one gallon cases (with pump on each gallon). I still have a gallon or two left. I use it sparingly, since there is no more left, anywhere else.

Regards, Dimitar


1a.
OT Maybe? Hand cleaners
From: Nick Andrews
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:54:31 PST
A while back, okay almost 20 years ago, a friend worked at Jorgenson Steel in Denver.? You know how that mill oil on steel is...?? He and I and a roommate started a floor cleaning business and did the floors there at night.? They had a hand cleaner in the locker rooms that from what I recall was a green powder, not a liquid, and it worked with or without water and did not leave your hands slippery, greasy or stinky at all.? I'd forgotten about it until recently and cannot recall the name but it was amazing.? Anyone have any ideas on what it might be and if it's even still made?? It was not a typical household brand, more like an industrial supply type product you'd never see on a store shelf.




Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

Yup,? only way to use it for serious stuff.?


On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:41 PM DJ Delorie <dj@...> wrote:
"j.setterberg@..." <j.setterberg@...> writes:
> Best one I¡¯ve found is Fast Orange.

This is my go-to as well, and I'll add a trick I've learned:

? ?Do not get your hands wet first!

* Turn on the water so it's ready.
* Put Fast Orange on hands
* Scrub FO into any oil/grease/dirt
* NOW rinse
* Wash any residue off with regular soap and water


When I wet my hands before using the Fast Orange, it cleans no better
than regular soap.






Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

I remember using Boraxo years ago.? When I was still working, our hand wash sink in the shop had dispensers for Boraxo powdered hand soap and it worked well.? It was a pale grey almost white powder.? I just looked it up on Amazon and it is really expensive ($50 a pound or so). When I was a kid visiting my grandparents, they kept a bar of Lava hand soap in the bathroom for grandpa (and me) use after we were out working all afternoon.? I think that I may have a partial can of Boraxo or similar powdered dry soap in a box in the garage.? I may look for it when it warms up.


Re: OT Maybe? Hand cleaners

 

"j.setterberg@..." <j.setterberg@...> writes:
Best one I¡¯ve found is Fast Orange.
This is my go-to as well, and I'll add a trick I've learned:

Do not get your hands wet first!

* Turn on the water so it's ready.
* Put Fast Orange on hands
* Scrub FO into any oil/grease/dirt
* NOW rinse
* Wash any residue off with regular soap and water


When I wet my hands before using the Fast Orange, it cleans no better
than regular soap.