Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
I just got an A2000 that I'm upgrading and restoring - my first Amiga ever. ?I've been looking for some accessories and upgraded chips...I'd be interested in seeing what you've got that you might be willing to part with.
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On May 7, 2022, at 12:13 AM, Steve Wheeler <steven.r.wheeler@...> wrote:
?If I wanted to show my daughter antediluvian computer technology, I have two Amiga 2000s in the basement. Of course, that presumes that she'd be willing to sit through the demo. And that I put the Amigas back into working order - they're both disassembled to remove the backup battery, which has a tendency to leak corrosive stuff when it gets old, and replace it with something better.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
On 5/14/2022 3:24 PM, fcewen00 wrote: Mainframe and cloud are similar yet different in my mind. ?Cloud is more the bastard red headed of mainframe. ?The two things that mainframes need are space and people to keep an eye on it. ?Cloud is a lot different, depending on what flavor you buy. ?Depending on the flavor you buy, you can go from a large team of admins and engineers and sysadmins to just one troll living in the basements. ?It really comes down to how much of your stuff and responsibilities you are willing to give up.
The problem is that the decision makers in management don't understand the part about the "how much of your stuff" you are willing to give up, but do understand "can cut the IT department down to just a couple of guys". So they see the up side, saving labor costs, and don't understand what they are giving up, so of course they go for it because it can't be that important, just a bunch of technobabble. Then when the problems happen because they lost control of their data storage, they blame the remaining IT drones even though the actual IT people argued against it. That is if they were even consulted. Salesmen for companies selling IT services and products often make every effort to go over the head of the IT department's head if he actually is a technician or programmer rather than just a manager in order to make a deal because they can usually bamboozle a manager, but not so much a tech). Then when Management sees the IT people arguing against the measure that would mean layoffs or budget cuts, they assume the techs are just trying to save their jobs or funding and all the technical reasons they don't understand are just them trying to B.S. their way to saving their jobs/funding. Sorry, I'm a bit cynical about salesmen and managers.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Where your data lives is a big dangerous thing. ?In higher ed and my state work, which data center in which country counts. Military research could only live on servers in the United States and it had to be in writing that it would. ?Grants of this type or that type would define where data can be stored and retained. ?One of the things I deal in right now is data retention. 1 month, 6 months, a year, 3 years, etc. ?freezing data is all fine and dandy if you don’t have to get at it again, getting it back out of the locker is costly. This email may have been sent from my iPhone, MacBook, iPad, or a dry piece of toast.
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On May 14, 2022, at 4:45 PM, AlyssonR < alyssonrowan@...> wrote: Busy setting up my own piece of cloud (Devon Fog) here.
Bugger letting them bastidz get their sticky mitts on my database .... or my writings.
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On Sat, 14 May 2022 at 21:24, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Mainframe and cloud are similar yet different in my mind.? Cloud is more the bastard red headed of mainframe.? The two things that mainframes need are space and people to keep an eye on it.? Cloud is a lot different, depending on what flavor you buy.? Depending on the flavor you buy, you can go from a large team of admins and engineers and sysadmins to just one troll living in the basements.? It really comes down to how much of your stuff and responsibilities you are willing to give up. This email may have been sent from my iPhone, MacBook, iPad, or a dry piece of toast.
And today you now have the companies that promote their cloud devices. ?? ? Financial drones can't get their heads around the concept of decentralisation of resources.
Hardly surprising, they're just beancounters, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 19:50, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Seems like every University I have worked at had mainframe.? University of Kentucky had a prime, a vax, a cray, and ibm.? When I left the University of Georgia, they still had a mainframe for the budgeting software. ? Just can’t escape the junk. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast. ? Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
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On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Busy setting up my own piece of cloud (Devon Fog) here.
Bugger letting them bastidz get their sticky mitts on my database .... or my writings.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
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On Sat, 14 May 2022 at 21:24, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Mainframe and cloud are similar yet different in my mind.? Cloud is more the bastard red headed of mainframe.? The two things that mainframes need are space and people to keep an eye on it.? Cloud is a lot different, depending on what flavor you buy.? Depending on the flavor you buy, you can go from a large team of admins and engineers and sysadmins to just one troll living in the basements.? It really comes down to how much of your stuff and responsibilities you are willing to give up. This email may have been sent from my iPhone, MacBook, iPad, or a dry piece of toast.
And today you now have the companies that promote their cloud devices. ?? ? Financial drones can't get their heads around the concept of decentralisation of resources.
Hardly surprising, they're just beancounters, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 19:50, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Seems like every University I have worked at had mainframe.? University of Kentucky had a prime, a vax, a cray, and ibm.? When I left the University of Georgia, they still had a mainframe for the budgeting software. ? Just can’t escape the junk. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast. ? Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Mainframe and cloud are similar yet different in my mind. ?Cloud is more the bastard red headed of mainframe. ?The two things that mainframes need are space and people to keep an eye on it. ?Cloud is a lot different, depending on what flavor you buy. ?Depending on the flavor you buy, you can go from a large team of admins and engineers and sysadmins to just one troll living in the basements. ?It really comes down to how much of your stuff and responsibilities you are willing to give up. This email may have been sent from my iPhone, MacBook, iPad, or a dry piece of toast.
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On May 14, 2022, at 1:46 PM, jj < john.jurgess@...> wrote: And today you now have the companies that promote their cloud devices. ?? ? Financial drones can't get their heads around the concept of decentralisation of resources.
Hardly surprising, they're just beancounters, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 19:50, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Seems like every University I have worked at had mainframe.? University of Kentucky had a prime, a vax, a cray, and ibm.? When I left the University of Georgia, they still had a mainframe for the budgeting software. ? Just can’t escape the junk. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast. ? Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
And today you now have the companies that promote their cloud devices. ??
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On May 14, 2022, at 6:25 AM, AlyssonR <alyssonrowan@...> wrote:
? Financial drones can't get their heads around the concept of decentralisation of resources.
Hardly surprising, they're just beancounters, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 19:50, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Seems like every University I have worked at had mainframe.? University of Kentucky had a prime, a vax, a cray, and ibm.? When I left the University of Georgia, they still had a mainframe for the budgeting software. ? Just can’t escape the junk. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast. ? Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Financial drones can't get their heads around the concept of decentralisation of resources.
Hardly surprising, they're just beancounters, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
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On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 19:50, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: Seems like every University I have worked at had mainframe.? University of Kentucky had a prime, a vax, a cray, and ibm.? When I left the University of Georgia, they still had a mainframe for the budgeting software. ? Just can’t escape the junk. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast. ? Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Seems like every University I have worked at had mainframe. ?University of Kentucky had a prime, a vax, a cray, and ibm. ?When I left the University of Georgia, they still had a mainframe for the budgeting software. ? Just can’t escape the junk. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast.
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On May 13, 2022, at 1:25 PM, AlyssonR <alyssonrowan@...> wrote:
? Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Prime systems have ALL gone that way - they were just universally hated.
ICL mainframes were4 usually cannibalised to keep the peripherals going on other sites.
IBM mainframes are just upgraded to the point of being Hrothgar's Axe.
DEC mainframes are all in museums (or still in use).
Data General are used as boat anchors or as reinforcing in sea walls.
Honeywell mainframes just melt and get washed away.
Burroughs systems are always recycled as set dressing on SF 'B' movies.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
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On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 16:23, fcewen00 < fcewen00@...> wrote: A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
A dozen years ago or more, we got ahold of the Campus' Prime mainframe.? Rather than keeping it, we beat it to death with sledgehammers because we hated it so much.?
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I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
-- It's very easy to get what you want. Just think carefully, work hard, and get very, very lucky. Okay, I lied: it's not easy. Sue me. - Walter Slovotsky ***
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
I still have an 80 column Hollerith card lying around. Ex:
I had a chance to pick up an IBM 027 keypunch a while back, along with a card reader(I think) but even for me that's a bit much in the clutter dept. Fun fact: early minicomputers used RS-232 to talk to VDTs as well as card readers.
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Re: Book 4, The Dragons Return
Thank you. I enjoyed the series very much. Vickie
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Re: Book 4, The Dragons Return
I added a fourth book after I finished off the last chapter of Bobmin356's trilogy. In order to truly appreciate the full scope of the story, it's probably best to start with the first book:
The Queen who fell to Earth
followed by the second book: On the Wings of Dragons
and the third: Beneath Sovereign Skies
Then you can finish up with my attempts: Beneath Sovereign Skies, Chapter 19
followed by my Book 4, The Dragons Return:
or with the 'last chapter' as a preface:
Hopefully, this will end the constant requests for an updated link to my Google Drive address, --
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
My oldies include a Dragon 32 and a PDP-11/23
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On 5/10/2022 5:31 AM, fcewen00 wrote:
> While nowhere near as old as some of you folks, my collections contain
> (somewhere in our storage) is my 1984 Mac, a NeXT machine, and a B-box
> that I …. Purloined from Lexmark a lifetime ago.? The running joke was
> that if you wanted to steal a chair you put printers and computers et
> all and pushed them out on a chair.
>
Walgreens used to scrap computers and let us take any components if we
wanted them. Hard drives were the only stickler, but it could be managed
if you DoD wiped them. However, I was able to get some RAM upgrades, and
some free CD/DVD combo drives. Also grabbed a CMOS battery at one point.
They also used to throw out scanners with the slightest defect, I took a
top of the line scanner that was going to be tossed into e-scrap, when
all I needed to fix it was a little piece of scotch tape to hold the
white backing on the lid. However, we couldn't send it out to a store
taped together so it was going to be scrapped.
That was a decade ago and the thing is still a good scanner today.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
On 5/10/2022 5:31 AM, fcewen00 wrote: While nowhere near as old as some of you folks, my collections contain (somewhere in our storage) is my 1984 Mac, a NeXT machine, and a B-box that I …. Purloined from Lexmark a lifetime ago. ?The running joke was that if you wanted to steal a chair you put printers and computers et all and pushed them out on a chair.
Walgreens used to scrap computers and let us take any components if we wanted them. Hard drives were the only stickler, but it could be managed if you DoD wiped them. However, I was able to get some RAM upgrades, and some free CD/DVD combo drives. Also grabbed a CMOS battery at one point. They also used to throw out scanners with the slightest defect, I took a top of the line scanner that was going to be tossed into e-scrap, when all I needed to fix it was a little piece of scotch tape to hold the white backing on the lid. However, we couldn't send it out to a store taped together so it was going to be scrapped. That was a decade ago and the thing is still a good scanner today.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
While nowhere near as old as some of you folks, my collections contain (somewhere in our storage) is my 1984 Mac, a NeXT machine, and a B-box that I …. Purloined from Lexmark a lifetime ago. ?The running joke was that if you wanted to steal a chair you put printers and computers et all and pushed them out on a chair. This may or may not have been sent from my iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, or a piece of dry toast.
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On May 9, 2022, at 11:57 PM, Steve Wheeler <steven.r.wheeler@...> wrote:
?I?almost got to build an original Altair for my senior project in electronics. It didn't quite work out, and I ended up designing and building circuitry using discrete logic for a small vehicle that would run until it hit an obstacle (it had a couple of contact switches on the front bumpers), then back off and turn away from the obstacle before heading out again.
A year or so later, I put down money on an ECD MicroMind, and managed to get a refund just before they went under. I put that toward an Apple II, which ended up with 48k of RAM, 2 floppies (back when they were several hundred each), a Microsoft Z80 card, and a fair amount of software. Gave it away to my daughter's babysitter back around 1990. I'm cleaning out my garage this week, and yesterday I ran across the floppy and booklet for a program I wrote that was distributed through Call-A.P.P.L.E.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
I?almost got to build an original Altair for my senior project in electronics. It didn't quite work out, and I ended up designing and building circuitry using discrete logic for a small vehicle that would run until it hit an obstacle (it had a couple of contact switches on the front bumpers), then back off and turn away from the obstacle before heading out again.
A year or so later, I put down money on an ECD MicroMind, and managed to get a refund just before they went under. I put that toward an Apple II, which ended up with 48k of RAM, 2 floppies (back when they were several hundred each), a Microsoft Z80 card, and a fair amount of software. Gave it away to my daughter's babysitter back around 1990. I'm cleaning out my garage this week, and yesterday I ran across the floppy and booklet for a program I wrote that was distributed through Call-A.P.P.L.E.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
I still have my SOL-20, which I built in 1974. S-100 buss & CP/M operating system. Had to write my own BIOS in assembler. Started with dual cassettes for storage, a monochrome monitor and 8K of RAM, which I quickly increased to 48K. I can still remember the store salesman telling me "You'll never need more than 48K". It still works, at least it did about 5-6 years ago when I last fired it up. On Sat, May 7, 2022, at 1:59 AM, SlickRCBD wrote: On 5/7/2022 12:27 AM, grenouille7777 wrote:
That beats me. The oldest I still have around is an old K6-2 233 I found in the attic a couple of weeks ago. I thought I'd gotten rid of the last of the really old stuff during my last purge a bit over a year ago. I guess I should bring it down and see if it still works. IIRC, it should have Win98SE, 64MB of RAM and probably a 4MB Diamond video card. Decent machine for 25 years ago. Now? I'll be lucky to get FreeBSD running on it.
Mike
I've got my old Apple IIGS circa 1988 stored at my mom's place. It still works as of April of 2020, when I fired it up during the "Stay at home" order.
Trefor Thomas -- To be civilized is to restrain your ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated.
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Re: Looking For A Ranma Fic
That pretty much?sums it up for me as well.? Nice to see I'm not the only one!
Riothamus
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I started reading fanfiction with Ranma stories, and got into Harry Potter via crossovers. I've read a?lot more HP than Ranma at this point, though.?
wheels
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Re: Looking For A Ranma Fic
On 5/8/2022 3:32 PM, Steve Wheeler wrote: It's called Relentless, and was written by Grayson Towler. You can find it at <> wheels _._,_._,_ It's also quite good. Also one of the rare stories to come back from a multi-year hiatus and actually be completed. I think it was on hiatus for about five years.
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