Rapidos GE 44 ton locomotive
Has anyone received the SN 44 ton locomotive from Rapido??
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Re: SN Bidwell observation platform colors
Hi Garth,
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I've never (ever) forgotten anything I've written over the past 40 years. Yeah, right :-)
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While we're on the subject, I wonder what happened to that exquisite model of the Sacramento that Don Olsen built. Any ideas as to its whereabouts?
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Cheers,
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James
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Re: SN Bidwell observation platform colors
Friends,
I get a big "duh" for missing that one. That said, SN On-line has been the property of the WPHS/FRRS for eight or so years, and I have forgotten a lot of what I wrote.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 9:35?PM rrmaven via <dan.shirleylee= [email protected]> wrote:
James,
thanks for your post¡i will re-read the article after dinner (i too forgot to check the website).
? ?Dan Lee
On 08/27/2024 6:15 PM PDT James Dolan < dolan@...> wrote:
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Hi Dan and Garth,
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Garth, did you forget your excellent article about Don Olsen's O scale model of the Sacramento? :-) In that article
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you explained that after some detective work, Don found that the awning colors for the Sacramento were actually green and orange separated by white. Definitely not the colors I had been expecting based on B&W photos! I would assume that the awnings on the Bidwell were made from the same material. Unless we could say that the color rendering of the film WW used in that third photo you just posted would be able to distinguish between green and orange, in which case green on white seems like as good a choice as any.
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Thanks again for writing that original article. It, and all of the other informative articles you wrote for the original site!
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Cheers,
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James
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Re: SN Bidwell observation platform colors
James,
thanks for your post¡i will re-read the article after dinner (i too forgot to check the website).
? ?Dan Lee
On 08/27/2024 6:15 PM PDT James Dolan <dolan@...> wrote:
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Hi Dan and Garth,
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Garth, did you forget your excellent article about Don Olsen's O scale model of the Sacramento? :-) In that article
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you explained that after some detective work, Don found that the awning colors for the Sacramento were actually green and orange separated by white. Definitely not the colors I had been expecting based on B&W photos! I would assume that the awnings on the Bidwell were made from the same material. Unless we could say that the color rendering of the film WW used in that third photo you just posted would be able to distinguish between green and orange, in which case green on white seems like as good a choice as any.
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Thanks again for writing that original article. It, and all of the other informative articles you wrote for the original site!
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Cheers,
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James
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Re: SN Bidwell observation platform colors
Hi Dan and Garth,
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Garth, did you forget your excellent article about Don Olsen's O scale model of the Sacramento? :-) In that article
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you explained that after some detective work, Don found that the awning colors for the Sacramento were actually green and orange separated by white. Definitely not the colors I had been expecting based on B&W photos! I would assume that the awnings on the Bidwell were made from the same material. Unless we could say that the color rendering of the film WW used in that third photo you just posted would be able to distinguish between green and orange, in which case green on white seems like as good a choice as any.
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Thanks again for writing that original article. It, and all of the other informative articles you wrote for the original site!
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Cheers,
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James
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Re: SN Bidwell observation platform colors
Garth,
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Thanks for the fast response and the pictures;? you confirmed what I suspected.
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I plan to complete Bidwell in Sept and will include?
o? ?a drumhead sign by Tomar.
o? ?"wicker" chairs for the obs platform;? I found chairs that are close which will simulate
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o? ?a few seated figures?
o? ?correct trucks as shown in your pix
o? ?paint as per your note; I have some good color photos from the WRM
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I have a 2nd hand 1005 which I will repower with a Stanton drive and add a sound
decoder in October if my recovery from heart surgery permits.
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So, stay tuned for results.? ?
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Thanks again
? ? Dan Lee? ?San Jose
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Re: SN Bidwell observation platform colors
Dan,
Good questions. I don't know about the awnings. I suspect a pale green on white. You might check with the WRM.
The attached color photo of 1005 might be a good guide, but I would use caution as I think the motor had been repainted by the BAERA at some point. As you can see, the body is Pullman green with a faded black tar paper roof, and black metal work, but the trucks are wrong. They should?be moss green. That is yours truly at the age of 12 hanging out the door. Tsk, tsk. Photo by my father, Glenn Groff.
The two Will Whittaker shots from my collection should be helpful when compared with 1005. I would say pretty much everything on the platform was Pullman?green except the polished brass posts.
Hope this helps.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 9:24?AM rrmaven via <dan.shirleylee= [email protected]> wrote: I¡¯m detailing a model of Bidwell- how was the end observation platform painted ?
And please refresh my memory on the awning color scheme.? Thank you.
? ?Dan Lee, ?San Jose
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SN Bidwell observation platform colors
I¡¯m detailing a model of Bidwell- how was the end observation platform painted ?
And please refresh my memory on the awning color scheme. ?Thank you.
? ?Dan Lee, ?San Jose
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Garth,
Check out Fast Track Diamond Line Crossing Kit.
Scott? On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 10:15 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via <mallardlodge1000= [email protected]> wrote:
Scott,
Can you imagine trying to hand-lay those four crossings for a layout in HO scale? Just the thought is enough to make me want to model Sutter or something else simple. The accidental, but appropriately named, Diamond?Match facility would be to the left and behind where Will was standing.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:16?PM Scott Wiesemann via <swiesemann52= [email protected]> wrote: Just purchased this W.C.Whitaker photo on eBay.? It was taken in November of 1938.? The trolly is coming off of the Feather River Bridge crossing over the SP Branch line to Knights Landing and entering Yuba City.? I didn¡¯t know that was a section of double track leading up to the bridge.
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Scott,
Can you imagine trying to hand-lay those four crossings for a layout in HO scale? Just the thought is enough to make me want to model Sutter or something else simple. The accidental, but appropriately named, Diamond?Match facility would be to the left and behind where Will was standing.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:16?PM Scott Wiesemann via <swiesemann52= [email protected]> wrote: Just purchased this W.C.Whitaker photo on eBay.? It was taken in November of 1938.? The trolly is coming off of the Feather River Bridge crossing over the SP Branch line to Knights Landing and entering Yuba City.? I didn¡¯t know that was a section of double track leading up to the bridge.
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Just purchased this W.C.Whitaker photo on eBay. ?It was taken in November of 1938. ?The trolly is coming off of the Feather River Bridge crossing over the SP Branch line to Knights Landing and entering Yuba City. ?I didn¡¯t know that was a section of double track leading up to the bridge. 
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I hope it does stir the pot. I have a ton of fantastic pictures and documents that I want to share with everyone in hopes they start digging up and sharing with everyone. One I just found is the tower at the SP crossing at Live Oak. Awesome!
~Bil
PS: I have a bunch of the RDC trips and some of the RDC fan trips on TS... Stay Tuned!
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Bill,
Thanks much. It may solve a mystery or two, but probably will provoke more.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:16?PM Bill Shippen via <pitstopharold= [email protected]> wrote: I bought the slide. When I get it I'll post it along with my others of this excursion.?
Bill Shippen?
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I bought the slide. When I get it I'll post it along with my others of this excursion.?
Bill Shippen?
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Scott,
I wish I had seen that photo, (Sigh!) but I rarely look at eBay these days. The Diamond Match spur in Yuba City remains a mystery to me.
Did anybody on this board snag a copy of this photo that they could share here?
Attached is a photo from my collection taken by Will Whittaker of that excursion. He dated the photo as 26 March 1960. It is the only photo of this excursion among the negatives I bought from Will, but I am sure there were others. A view of the trip at the Yuba City depot by Stan Snook is on page 84 of Jim Harrison's SACRAMENTO NORTHERN GALLERY, and there is a similar unattributed shot on page 362 of ?John Ryczkowski's?WESTERN PACIFIC PICTORIAL, but both are beyond the Diamond Match spur. ?
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 12:19?PM Scott Wiesemann via <swiesemann52= [email protected]> wrote: Garth ,
a photo taken around 1958 was just sold on ebay.? It shows SN 653 & WP 376, RDC, coming off of the Feather River Bridge into Yuba City.? They are? passing by the Diamond Match Companies retail lumber yard location shown on your map.? What is more surprising to me is the two main tracks that lead up to the eastbound block signal protecting the bridge.? Single track begins just east of the signal.? ?
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Scott
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Garth ,
a photo taken around 1958 was just sold on ebay.? It shows SN 653 & WP 376, RDC, coming off of the Feather River Bridge into Yuba City.? They are? passing by the Diamond Match Companies retail lumber yard location shown on your map.? What is more surprising to me is the two main tracks that lead up to the eastbound block signal protecting the bridge.? Single track begins just east of the signal.? ?
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Scott
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Thanks,
That is a huge help.? I have several pictorials but not that
one.? Only one of mine has freight cars at all and seems to leave
off the affiliated refrigerator cars.
Found one on Ebay and ordered it.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 6/17/2024 6:41 PM, Garth Groff and
Sally Sanford wrote:
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Ken,
Ah, that is a different kettle of fish. The WP joined Fruit
Growers Express on 1 July 1967. WP operated FGE-painted cars
with WP reporting marks, as well as having FGEX and other
affiliate cars as frequent visitors. See Jim Eager's Western
Pacific Color Guide to Freight and Passenger equipment, pages
54 and 56 for WP examples. I have a picture of an obviously
repainted FGEX RBI as WP 96093, with odd plug doors offset to
the left. I believe it dates to around 1976 when I was
shooting mostly slides.
I photographed honeydew melons being loaded and iced by
truck at Woodland about 1967 or 1968. These were FHIX/FGE and
affiliated WHIX/GN cars, the last time I ever saw iced
refrigerators in service.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
Thanks,
I model 1969.? So WP would most often use PFE.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 6/17/2024 4:31 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
wrote:
Ken,
The WP refrigerator cars were fully integrated with
the greater PFE fleet, and had no exclusivity to the
WP or any of its subsidiaries. Cars from the regular
PFE fleet were very common on the SN.?Given
how small a number of WP refrigerator cars there were,
seeing one on WP or SN rails would be possible but a
rarity, except when many bad-order cars were sidelined
in the early 1950s.
I have yet to see a photo of any SFRD cars on the
SN. Given that most SN refrigerator?traffic?was
outbound, again that would have been a rarity, and
probably never for loading.?I think I have seen a
picture somewhere of an SFRD car heading north on the
WP, most certainly headed for the GN connection. I
would not be surprised if that happened frequently.
One interesting oddity is found on page [24] of
James Harrison's book SACRAMENTO NORTHERN GALLERY. It
shows a train passing Lake Temescal, probably around
1956. In the short train are a Canadian National
8-hatch refrigerator car and a FGE RBL. Talk about
strange!
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
I
assume that SN often used WP reefers.? Did they also
sometimes deliver empty SP and ATSF reefers to their
customers.
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Ken,
Ah, that is a different kettle of fish. The WP joined Fruit Growers Express on 1 July 1967. WP operated FGE-painted cars with WP reporting marks, as well as having FGEX and other affiliate cars as frequent visitors. See Jim Eager's Western Pacific Color Guide to Freight and Passenger equipment, pages 54 and 56 for WP examples. I have a picture of an obviously repainted FGEX RBI as WP 96093, with odd plug doors offset to the left. I believe it dates to around 1976 when I was shooting mostly slides.
I photographed honeydew melons being loaded and iced by truck at Woodland about 1967 or 1968. These were FHIX/FGE and affiliated WHIX/GN cars, the last time I ever saw iced refrigerators in service.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
Thanks,
I model 1969.? So WP would most often use PFE.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 6/17/2024 4:31 PM, Garth Groff and
Sally Sanford wrote:
Ken,
The WP refrigerator cars were fully integrated with the
greater PFE fleet, and had no exclusivity to the WP or any of
its subsidiaries. Cars from the regular PFE fleet were very
common on the SN.?Given
how small a number of WP refrigerator cars there were, seeing
one on WP or SN rails would be possible but a rarity, except
when many bad-order cars were sidelined in the early 1950s.
I have yet to see a photo of any SFRD cars on the SN. Given
that most SN refrigerator?traffic?was outbound, again that
would have been a rarity, and probably never for loading.?I
think I have seen a picture somewhere of an SFRD car heading
north on the WP, most certainly headed for the GN connection.
I would not be surprised if that happened frequently.
One interesting oddity is found on page [24] of James
Harrison's book SACRAMENTO NORTHERN GALLERY. It shows a train
passing Lake Temescal, probably around 1956. In the short
train are a Canadian National 8-hatch refrigerator car and a
FGE RBL. Talk about strange!
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
I
assume that SN often used WP reefers.? Did they also sometimes
deliver empty SP and ATSF reefers to their customers.
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When I hiired out in 1977, WP had FGEX reefer car service. FEGX or FGEX, I can't remeber which, but thwen UP came along in 1983? FGEX was kicked out and UPFE moved in to tracks 37 and 38, the reefer tracks in Stockton.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 2:21?PM Bill Shippen via <pitstopharold= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All?
Garth, SFRD mechanical reefers were common on the Chico Local in the early 1970s. They were used for outbound loads of high-end valued Almonds from Continental Nut Company which was at the end of the Vecino line besides the Esplanade. Many times as a kid I would see SFRD cars at CNCo until around the mid-1970s.
~Bill Shippen?
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Hello All?
Garth, SFRD mechanical reefers were common on the Chico Local in the early 1970s. They were used for outbound loads of high-end valued Almonds from Continental Nut Company which was at the end of the Vecino line besides the Esplanade. Many times as a kid I would see SFRD cars at CNCo until around the mid-1970s.
~Bill Shippen?
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Scott Wiesemann
Ken Harstine
Philip Schmierer