Northern Electric Steam Locomotive 1
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Friends, While searching online I encountered a set of six photos taken by the McCurry Company of the then-new M-Street Bridge in Sacramento (from the California State Library and Archives). Photo #6 showed a construction train headed by NE 1, apparently on the new grade that joined the NE to the OA&E. A two-car electric train is inbound from Woodland at the extreme right. The photo I have attached is a detailed shot from the much larger original. It is one of the best views I have seen of an NE steam locomotive. As a bonus, the flat car behind the tender is NE 1160. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ??????? (Scotland Forever!)
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Trolley Poles
Hello, If any of you have a request for HO scale, or Nscale trolley poles that connect to the Kato unitrack system, you might wanna write and request them from Kato in Japan. I told them I model the Sacramento Northern, but they don’t have any North American prototype trolley poles from the early 1900s and Sacramento northern had the most common style I suppose. They were also one of the biggest railroads for electric. So maybe they will make them, who knows, maybe even metal so they can be powered Best regards, Justin
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Redwood Canyon
Some incredible imagery of Redwood Canyon if you look through the menu on the East Bay Project website https://eastbayhillsproject.org/oakland-to-pittsburg-by-rail-contra-costa-county/
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Diggins article on the Sacramento Northern in Chico
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With my regards, I send you a 20 page article on the Sacramento Northern Depot and operations in Chico courtesy of the Chico State Library. It even has a picture.of the substation and a map of the track and layout of the yard. You can see the details of the inside of Mulberry Shops while derelict.
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Chico carbarn and yard
Here is the Chico car barn and the yard http://archives.csuchico.edu/digital/collection/p17133coll2/id/104/
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Sanborn map
Here is the map foot print for the depot. I also have one for the carbarn but it doesnt show pictures http://archives.csuchico.edu/digital/collection/p17133coll2/id/85/
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Hogan Studios
This is the business on site at the old depot https://maps.app.goo.gl/KYmYnchqmCXQzzYD8?g_st=com.yahoo.Aerogram.ShareExtension
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New location of the Sacramento Northern depot in Chico
Here is the Google Maps link to the new location https://maps.app.goo.gl/8b2PJCEL2WaR7YPo7?g_st=com.yahoo.Aerogram.ShareExtension
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44 tonner O-Scale; amazing SN layout
I saw this 44 tonner online. I was unaware they had one in O-Scale. https://mthtrains.com/20-20966-1 Also for O-Scale enthusiasts, I never heard what happened with the incredible Sacramento Northern O scale layout in Yuba City that a person was trying to sell. https://youtu.be/azac7Ff1joE?feature=shared
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Mulberry Brewing
There is a Sacramento Northern pizza place with a micro brewery, built on the site of the old mulberry shops in Chico. He has a layout with a scratchbuilt Mulberry shops. It’s decorated with Sacramento Northern trolley stuff. https://maps.app.goo.gl/xTmuv4MmqZzgrSrQA?g_st=com.yahoo.Aerogram.ShareExtension
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SN 405 Photos
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Friends, While wandering through Wikimedia, I chanced upon two Bill Larkins photos of SN 405 tied up at the Oroville freight station. They were too good not to share, as the SN Oroville operations were not often photographed. (Photos 1 & 2) The Oroville Branch was originally connected to the mainline at Tres Vias near Chico. On 10 December 10 1937 as the Feather River rose in flood. The SN bridge west of Oroville was partly washed away. The bridge was deemed too expensive to replace, so track on the river's west side was cut back to Thermalito. The section between the river and Oroville was abandoned. The industries in Oroville were reached via the WP interchange, and an SN freight motor (or two) was stationed in the city. The work probably fell to flat motor 403, later aided by 402 (see the attached 1940 Jenkins Photo from my collection). During the Depression years, most of the flat motors had been stored out-of-service at Chico. When WWII began, these machines were returned to service mainly as switchers to free more powerful motors for heavier trains. Motors 404 and 405 were sent to Oakland in 1942 and 1943 respectively where they worked for the allied Oakland Terminal Railway under lease. They were equipped with monsterous Key System pantographs mounted directly on their roofs instead of the SN's little towers. Now they could reach the Key Route's wire, but squeeze under the infamous SP bridge near Emeryville. Eventually the flat motors were replaced by Baldwin steeple cabs 440 and 442, which explains why all these 600-volt machines were so often photographed in Oakland. Upon return north, 405 became the regular Oroville motor, retaining its Key pantograph for some reason. It was the last of the flat motors in service, and the only one to receive orange "scare stripes" (photo 4, from my collection). Electric service at Oroville ended on 14 April 1954. Motor 405 was then scrapped, though I was told the body survived as a farm shed near Chico for many years. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?
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CAT standards
Hello, There are a lot of custom, scratchbuilt, and kitashed vehicles and buildings for a layout I have done while I have been stuck in places over the years on business. That part is mostly done now as my eyes age except for one depot and a warehouse. I dont know if I will ever connect to other NTRAK or NCAT modules in my life. But in case I move, and because I don't have enough time at home to model all of it with family, I would like to find and follow the NCAT standard most likely. No need to open the link if you are familiar. NCat - NTRAKer: under wire NCat - NTRAKer: under wire The standards web link at the bottom didn't open. I cant remember why I cant terminate track ends at the edge of the module, adjustment I guess. The reason I ask, the scenery would be plastered between my modules that go around a room hopefully. Only if I moved or exhibited would I cut the scenery to separate the modules. The mobility is mostly for my own life. So many railroads are destroyed when a house is sold or someone passes away. Building in modules I can take a blank module with me on business trips and add scenery while away from home one by one. Sometimes I have wondered why the edge of different modules doesn’t have a standard for grass colors that could be blended in at the end so all of the modules would look like they go together instead Frankenlayouts. What ready-made model trolley poles go best with the Sacramento Northern? We should all suggest to Kato or Tomytec that they offer a trolley pole similar to early North American Prototypes. They might do it and it would make it so much easier. Except for one area I can play make-believe like there is a third rail with the SN. The tables should be portable with folding leg hardware like this: Table Leg Folding Brackets, Foldable Hinge Hardware, Self- Lock Extension Collap | eBay Table Leg Folding Brackets, Foldable Hinge Hardware, Self- Lock Extension Collap | eBay Uxcell Table Leg Folding Brackets, 4pcs Foldable Self Lock Hinges Foldable Bracket Extension Support for Table Bed Leg Feet, Black. Material: The foldable bracket adopts a steel structure, and surface coating, is rust-proof, has good bearing capacity They are easy to install and make moving a cinch. My thought is to start with no working overhead wire because I save tedious stuff for last, or maybe never. Can NCAT connect to NTRAK? FreeMoN wanted code 50 track which means more derailing to me and once you spray-mist Code 80 with brown, black and grey it looks pretty good after sanding the area to conduct electricity and ballasting. Justin
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pa7mi9d2tv0&feature=shared
Here is another way to power a box car that goes behind the GE steeple cab that Sacramento northern had https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pa7mi9d2tv0&feature=shared
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[WPList] Express Service LCL freigjt
Nick and friends, Long story. About a year before he passed away, Jeff Moreau gave me a packet of papers he said he didn't understand. They are carbon copies of correspondence setting up the WP/SN Merchandise Service. I have always wanted to write this story for the WPHS HEADLIGHT, but have almost no information on when the service ended, and no photos of the express boxcars on a passenger train (I have a single shot in my collection of one in an SN freight, see attached). So here is a summary: During the mid-to-late 1930s the WP was concerned about the amount of freight house business they were losing to truckers operating over newly paved state highways, both licensed operators and pirates. The cream of this business was in merchandise moving from manufacturers and large wholesalers in the San Francisco/Oakland area to retail merchants in Sacramento and the smaller upper valley cities. So the railroad kicked around various schemes to counter the loss. One idea was to use WP baggage cars cut into and out of passenger trains to speed up deliveries. One important consideration was moving the 60-foot cars around tight curves at the SN's downtown freight stations (150-foot radius in Sacramento). During a test in mid-1937 a WP baggage car was switched into the SN's 2nd & M Street freight house, or at least they tried. The car derailed on the curve. Then the WP officers realized that they only owned 20 baggage cars, and nearly all were needed for regular service. So tight curves and a lack of equipment scuppered the project temporarily. By early 1941 the WP and SN had worked out an alternate plan and was ready to go. Fifteen of their recently-purchased 20001-series steel boxcars were chosen at random and renumbered with "2" added at the front of their numbers. They were given steam and signal lines, upgraded steel wheels, and painted Pullman green with yellow lettering and a snappy yellow stripe along the floor line. The cars were 220071, 220084, 22085, 220086, 220089, 220092, 220105, 220106, 220108, 220136, 220146, 220149, 220159, 220176 and 220194. Service began on Friday 28 March 1941. Only 12 cars were needed to keep the service moving, but three extras were on hand in case of repairs, missed return connections, and perhaps optimistically heavy Christmas service. The latter did not come to pass and lean times were soon upon the whole country. The cars were homed in San Francisco. Merchants who wanted the expedited service had to wire or call in their orders so the suppliers could deliver the goods by the close of their business day to the WP freight station. Then four cars were pulled and given priority loading. Next they were moved across the bay on the first available car float to the Oakland freight house for topping up. The next morning the four cars were cut into Train 12, the eastbound Feather River Express, behind the locomotive for a noon departure. The first boxcar was dropped at the WP station in Sacramento where a switcher would hustle it over to SN tracks for unloading at the 2nd and M Street freight house. Any shipments for Woodland would be delivered by truck the next day. The second and third cars were dropped at Marysville. One went to the SN's downtown Marysville freight station, and the second was added to the SN night freight at Yuba City for Chico the next morning. The last car was dropped at the WP depot in Oroville, and was moved via the SN to their downtown freight station. By this time the SN bridge over the Feather River had been washed out, and the SN tracks were operated as an isolated island. The Merchandise cars were supposed to get priority unloading, and the empties were sent back to Oakland via freight train 53. They were then shuttled back across the Bay for cleaning to be ready for the next loading. Cars were loaded in San Francisco Monday through Friday. Cars were not loaded on Saturdays, Sundays or legal holidays. This basically provided 48-hour delivery (except on Sundays and holidays) to downtown freight houses in the target cities, so retailers could pick up their goods at the freigh
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Milpitas
Beneath the paywall in the Oakland tribune archives, you could see that it also mentions a Milpitas piggyback ramp, but I couldn’t see the address underneath in this 1964 ad or article. I searched for “western pacific piggyback” with quotation marks altogether or you get 10,000 irrelevant results
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Western Pacific intermodal yard in Oakland
I went into the archives for the Oakland Tribune, it shows three articles when I searched “western pacific piggyback”. One of them (in the date range from 1964 to 1981), I could see showed that it’s actual piggyback operations we’re at the Ferro Street location in Oakland still operating today, but I had to register for a free seven days as a publisher to see the whole article. I didn’t want to put my credit card on there. As best as I could tell, there were no pictures but you could model it with a lot of the equipment there today. Just use pictures of other railroad intermodal equipment for things that look too modern. https://maps.app.goo.gl/ybV7o1bZWgjqctTn8?g_st=com.yahoo.Aerogram.ShareExtension
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TOFC intermodal
There are first hand accounts of TOFC trains from engineers on train orders but no building descriptions. They weren’t all TOFC trains at first in 1973, mixed freight. When I searched for “piggyback service western pacific Oakland WPX”, Google AI told me that it was operated from the Western Pacific building in Oakland California, but it didn’t say where the operations were. Excellent comments on train orders. This was only one of many great descriptions of the schedule in that link “ The first solid intermodal train on the WP was the Sea Land train that was begun about 1973. This train ran only once a week in each direction I believe. The symbol may have been SEAL WB and COFC EB in the beginning but someone else will have to confirm that. The OMW and OME were begun in 1976 when Super C lost the mail contract to CNW/ UP/ WP. These trains were not all intermodal untill about 1978. The eastbound reefer train in the mid to late 1960's was the GGM. It would handle 20 - 40 reefers and was not all perishable lke most of the SP's RV trains. In the mid to late 1960's the WP ran a TOF eastbound. While this train handled the majority of the piggyback this amounted to only 10 - 15 flats per train. Dick Eisfeller Big "E" Productions Greenland, NH Wish I had more time to look up info for this thread.” https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,149302
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Fw: [SacNorthern] Fw: [WPList] Express Service LCL freigjt
I want to say the book by John J Ryczkowski had a lot of truck pictures. I am only home a few days a month so as soon as I get home, I spend time with the kids often. Here and there I get to read. I asked Charles Smiley productions if he had any information in a phone message. He is an SN modeler. Begin forwarded message: On Sunday, November 24, 2024, 8:59 AM, Justin Rowe via groups.io <justingrowe@...> wrote: Hi Garth, Do you have some info on the LTL LCL trailer service for the WP with pics from Oakland and SLC? Maybe the SN? This person on the WP list sounds like he is building a layout. I work out of town and I am in Canada now so I rarely have access to my grand library. I wish I could retire early just to do some reading. Best regards Justin Begin forwarded message: On Sunday, November 24, 2024, 8:21 AM, Justin Rowe via groups.io <justingrowe@...> wrote: Here are a few links I saw: https://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/293684.aspx This is the original search page. Let me know if the link doesn’t work. https://www.google.com/search?q=western+pacific+railroad+lcl+service&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari Garth Groff is a great source. He is on the SacNorthern io group Regards Justin On Sunday, November 24, 2024, 8:11 AM, Nick Lorusso via groups.io <nalorusso1978@...> wrote: Hello Group, I’m trying to find information on WP’s LCL service. And help would be great. Service area, years operating and equipment Regards Nick Lorusso
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Fw: [WPList] Express Service LCL freigjt
Hi Garth, Do you have some info on the LTL LCL trailer service for the WP with pics from Oakland and SLC? Maybe the SN? This person on the WP list sounds like he is building a layout. I work out of town and I am in Canada now so I rarely have access to my grand library. I wish I could retire early just to do some reading. Best regards Justin Begin forwarded message: On Sunday, November 24, 2024, 8:21 AM, Justin Rowe via groups.io <justingrowe@...> wrote: Here are a few links I saw: https://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/293684.aspx This is the original search page. Let me know if the link doesn’t work. https://www.google.com/search?q=western+pacific+railroad+lcl+service&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari Garth Groff is a great source. He is on the SacNorthern io group Regards Justin On Sunday, November 24, 2024, 8:11 AM, Nick Lorusso via groups.io <nalorusso1978@...> wrote: Hello Group, I’m trying to find information on WP’s LCL service. And help would be great. Service area, years operating and equipment Regards Nick Lorusso
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-D041cQozQ&feature=shared
This weathering video was really impressive although I don’t think I would put very much graffiti on my gondolas while weathering them. I have to try this for the Pittsburg steel train. They also had a video on weathering clapboard and barnacles on piers. I couldn’t bring myself to do heavy weathering on a locomotive. https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-D041cQozQ&feature=shared
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