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Re: Sabre32 in mast junction box
I can get all my wires out of my mast through the inspection plate cover.? It is not terribly easy, especially the vhf, but it can be done.? Worth noting is I do not have a junction box, I have a multipin connector for the lighting wiring and a 9 pin molex connector for the wind instrument. Probably will convert the lighting wiring to molex at some point too.?
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
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Re: time to sew a leather wheel cover
Two hours both times I've done it.? They lasted about 10 years in Lake Michigan when covered for the winter.? I agree it's important to use the tape to keep the leather from creeping off center as you work.? I took the wheel home and laid it horizontally on my lap and a coffee table.? ?This is a great improvement over cold or hot stainless. Rick McLaren? S34-2 POLARIS -- Rick McLaren
34-2 Polaris?
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Re: time to sew a leather wheel cover
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It took me about two hours. It's slow at first but as you get going it gets quicker, at least it did for me. You definitely want to remove the wheel and I found the easiest way to stitch was with the wheel upright between some boxes on a table so I could sit and stitch at a comfortable height, rolling the wheel as I went. Be sure to use the double sided tape they provide and take your time in centering the leather. A bit of a project but well worth it.
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Sabre 38-2 #164
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Sabre32 in mast junction box
Anybody have luck pulling wiring junction boxes out through the inspection plate? Coax is accessible. Trying to do this with mast up. Anchor and steaming lights not working, wind transducer is working. Mast unstepping not an option at this time of the year.
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Re: impeller access in Westerbeke 35B 3 in Sabre 362
Love my Beta. They put a lot thought into maintenance points.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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Re: time to sew a leather wheel cover
It took me about two hours. It's slow at first but as you get going it gets quicker, at least it did for me. You definitely want to remove the wheel and I found the easiest way to stitch was with the wheel upright between some boxes on a table so I could sit and stitch at a comfortable height, rolling the wheel as I went. Be sure to use the double sided tape they provide and take your time in centering the leather. A bit of a project but well worth it.
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Sabre 38-2 #164
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Re: time to sew a leather wheel cover
Same as Allison. I put a broom handle across two kitchen chair backs and did it over a couple of evenings in front of the tv. Wear a glove on your pulling hand and I used a crab mallet as a mini rigger’s mallet to snug the thread.
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On May 24, 2025, at 10:08 AM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? A lot! ?We brought our wheel home and UI did it in front of the TV. I took two nights but it was because my hands would fatigue and it was the first time I did it.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
On May 24, 2025, at 6:33?AM, Bill Graves via groups.io <elfowl77@...> wrote:
Those with experience please estimate the number of hours to sew on a 40" leather wheel cover from Boatleather inc. I'm a newbie with needle and thread but competent with hand tools. Thanks!
-- Bill Graves
S362 #261 Souwester
Marblehead, MA
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-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: time to sew a leather wheel cover
A lot! ?We brought our wheel home and UI did it in front of the TV. I took two nights but it was because my hands would fatigue and it was the first time I did it.
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On May 24, 2025, at 6:33?AM, Bill Graves via groups.io <elfowl77@...> wrote:
Those with experience please estimate the number of hours to sew on a 40" leather wheel cover from Boatleather inc. I'm a newbie with needle and thread but competent with hand tools. Thanks!
-- Bill Graves
S362 #261 Souwester
Marblehead, MA
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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time to sew a leather wheel cover
Those with experience please estimate the number of hours to sew on a 40" leather wheel cover from Boatleather inc. I'm a newbie with needle and thread but competent with hand tools. Thanks!
-- Bill Graves
S362 #261 Souwester
Marblehead, MA
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Hi Brian,
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We use a Seagull IV on our 426 on the galley faucet hooked up to the cold water line. We also use an RV filter on all water going in to the tanks (except the water maker output).
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regards,
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Dan
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Re: Coach sides core material.
You guys are awesome! Thanks so much, love this forum. This rebuild would be bloody near impossible without the helpful advice of folks like you.
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Jim Lake
1980 Sabre 30
Halifax NS
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Re: impeller access in Westerbeke 35B 3 in Sabre 362
Thank you all the helpful advice. I do remove the shower door, pad the floor, and use a racketing wrench. What was Westerbeke thinking...
Have a good season all.?
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Paul
Pegasus
Sabre 362
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Re: Report on Newport-Bermuda race sinkings
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Re: Is this typical for crazing?
Our 2003 426 has no crazing. She lived in the Caribbean for some of her life.
George Eisenberg
Panamaria
426 #10
Sausalito, CA
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Re: Is this typical for crazing?
From Allison’s reply sounds like expansion and contraction.?
Perhaps exacerbated by humidity and heat ??
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On May 23, 2025, at 10:07?AM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:
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This is also my understanding of the
story. I hadn't heard that it was mercury that forced the change
to the formula, but no great surprise.
Sapphire (H/N 70, built in 2000) has a
few stress cracks in places you'd expect, but no serious crazing.
Interesting how inconsistent it is from boat to boat. One
hypothesis is that the proximate cause of the problem is the
affected gel coat being sprayed too thick.
On 5/23/2025 9:56 AM, Jordan via
groups.io wrote:
Jeff,?
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I would agree with Bill on this one; you're going to find
varying degrees of this crazing. This was most predominant on
the 362, 402, and 452's that were built from 1996 to 2003. By
the time they launched the 386 and 426 they had transitioned to
a new gelcoat and the crazing issue seemed to go away.
?
My understanding of the story, and I'm sure someone in here
can do a better job of articulating this...
Many manufacturers; Viking, Cabo, J-boats, Sabre, and others
were sourcing their gelcoat from Cook Composites. In the early
90's the EPA issued new regulations which led to Cook Composites
removing mercury from their gelcoat. Mercury was the ingredient
that gave gelcoat its elasticity characteristics. Removing it
meant that as the boat changed size and shape (microscopically)
in different climates the gelcoat wouldn't match those changes
and thus, would crack. The crazing issues started to present
themselves in the early late 90's early 2000's and owners
started to complain and file warranty claims. Many of those
manufacturers went back to Cook Composites and wouldn't you know
it, they went out of business by 2005. I know of one 402 that
was totally re-decked by Sabre, and perhaps there are others.
That boat was on the market a few years ago with a new awlgrip
paintjob and new shiny decks, named 'Egret'.?
?
As for my experience with the situation, my wife and I looked
at 5 - 402's in our search, and since buying one have been on 3
more. One of them was awful, and needed to see a grinding wheel
and paint booth, 3-4 of them were in rough shape, but if you
squinted your eyes, two of them were not bad at all, and one was
exemplary. Polish and wax helps hide it. By no means does it fix
it, but it puts some make up on the pimples.??
?
Long winded answer - but I hope this helps.?
?
Have fun, even it's just window shopping. :)?
?
Jordan
S402-047
formerly S36-087
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Lake Michigan
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Hi Brian, I have a Pentel sediment & charcoal filter behind my water tank selection manifold than a Pearl UV sterilizer that kills 99% of water borne organisms before it reaches any of our boat taps.
Sam Moore? Muse10? S402 #27 '97
Brian 0n our 426, we have a Cambell filter for the galley faucet. We always keep 2-4 filters on hand as you never know when a company is going to discontinue a product.
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Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
My boat came with a Shurflo Waterguard filter under the galley sink.? In looking for a replacement cartridge, it appears they no longer make a cartridge that will fit in the housing.? They all look to be 10” long and narrow vs. the 5” x 3” that is installed.? Am not certain a 10” filter housing will fit under the galley sink and still have sufficient room to drop the housing to replace cartridges in the future.??
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What type of filter do people have, if any?? Last year [our first with the boat] we brought water for drinking / cooking and only used the water in the tanks for washing.? Would be “nice” to have the option to drink the water from the tanks as well.? Cleaned the tanks last year and would need to do again.??
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Thanks,
Brian?
Escapade? S426
CT / LIS
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
--
Sam Moore
Muse 10 - S402/'97
#27
Re: Is this typical for crazing?
This is also my understanding of the
story. I hadn't heard that it was mercury that forced the change
to the formula, but no great surprise.
Sapphire (H/N 70, built in 2000) has a
few stress cracks in places you'd expect, but no serious crazing.
Interesting how inconsistent it is from boat to boat. One
hypothesis is that the proximate cause of the problem is the
affected gel coat being sprayed too thick.
On 5/23/2025 9:56 AM, Jordan via
groups.io wrote:
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Jeff,?
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I would agree with Bill on this one; you're going to find
varying degrees of this crazing. This was most predominant on
the 362, 402, and 452's that were built from 1996 to 2003. By
the time they launched the 386 and 426 they had transitioned to
a new gelcoat and the crazing issue seemed to go away.
?
My understanding of the story, and I'm sure someone in here
can do a better job of articulating this...
Many manufacturers; Viking, Cabo, J-boats, Sabre, and others
were sourcing their gelcoat from Cook Composites. In the early
90's the EPA issued new regulations which led to Cook Composites
removing mercury from their gelcoat. Mercury was the ingredient
that gave gelcoat its elasticity characteristics. Removing it
meant that as the boat changed size and shape (microscopically)
in different climates the gelcoat wouldn't match those changes
and thus, would crack. The crazing issues started to present
themselves in the early late 90's early 2000's and owners
started to complain and file warranty claims. Many of those
manufacturers went back to Cook Composites and wouldn't you know
it, they went out of business by 2005. I know of one 402 that
was totally re-decked by Sabre, and perhaps there are others.
That boat was on the market a few years ago with a new awlgrip
paintjob and new shiny decks, named 'Egret'.?
?
As for my experience with the situation, my wife and I looked
at 5 - 402's in our search, and since buying one have been on 3
more. One of them was awful, and needed to see a grinding wheel
and paint booth, 3-4 of them were in rough shape, but if you
squinted your eyes, two of them were not bad at all, and one was
exemplary. Polish and wax helps hide it. By no means does it fix
it, but it puts some make up on the pimples.??
?
Long winded answer - but I hope this helps.?
?
Have fun, even it's just window shopping. :)?
?
Jordan
S402-047
formerly S36-087
?
Lake Michigan
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Re: Is this typical for crazing?
Nope. ?I have seen both cases on boats in the same harbor. ?But heat seems to make it more obvious. ?If you have crazing on your boat wash it and basher to clean the crazing. ?Then watch it every time you are there. ?I have seen cool days you hardly see it and in the heat it is fugly. ?Kingfisher has a small amount of crazing and every 3 to five years we address the worst offenders.
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On May 23, 2025, at 9:31?AM, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
Perhaps the extent of the problem has to do w what climate the vessel is in, and whether it is covered or not??
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On May 23, 2025, at 9:27?AM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? Unfortunately Jordan, most 426s and 386s still have some crazing but not a huge amount. ?Its weird as to how it varies.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
On May 23, 2025, at 6:56?AM, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:
Jeff,?
?
I would agree with Bill on this one; you're going to find varying degrees of this crazing. This was most predominant on the 362, 402, and 452's that were built from 1996 to 2003. By the time they launched the 386 and 426 they had transitioned to a new gelcoat and the crazing issue seemed to go away.
?
My understanding of the story, and I'm sure someone in here can do a better job of articulating this...
Many manufacturers; Viking, Cabo, J-boats, Sabre, and others were sourcing their gelcoat from Cook Composites. In the early 90's the EPA issued new regulations which led to Cook Composites removing mercury from their gelcoat. Mercury was the ingredient that gave gelcoat its elasticity characteristics. Removing it meant that as the boat changed size and shape (microscopically) in different climates the gelcoat wouldn't match those changes and thus, would crack. The crazing issues started to present themselves in the early late 90's early 2000's and owners started to complain and file warranty claims. Many of those manufacturers went back to Cook Composites and wouldn't you know it, they went out of business by 2005. I know of one 402 that was totally re-decked by Sabre, and perhaps there are others. That boat was on the market a few years ago with a new awlgrip paintjob and new shiny decks, named 'Egret'.?
?
As for my experience with the situation, my wife and I looked at 5 - 402's in our search, and since buying one have been on 3 more. One of them was awful, and needed to see a grinding wheel and paint booth, 3-4 of them were in rough shape, but if you squinted your eyes, two of them were not bad at all, and one was exemplary. Polish and wax helps hide it. By no means does it fix it, but it puts some make up on the pimples.??
?
Long winded answer - but I hope this helps.?
?
Have fun, even it's just window shopping. :)?
?
Jordan
S402-047
formerly S36-087
?
Lake Michigan
-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Brian 0n our 426, we have a Cambell filter for the galley faucet. We always keep 2-4 filters on hand as you never know when a company is going to discontinue a product.
|
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On May 23, 2025, at 8:36?AM, Nauset Beach via groups.io <nausetbeach@...> wrote:
My boat came with a Shurflo Waterguard filter under the galley sink.? In looking for a replacement cartridge, it appears they no longer make a cartridge that will fit in the housing.? They all look to be 10” long and narrow vs. the 5” x 3” that is installed.? Am not certain a 10” filter housing will fit under the galley sink and still have sufficient room to drop the housing to replace cartridges in the future.??
?
What type of filter do people have, if any?? Last year [our first with the boat] we brought water for drinking / cooking and only used the water in the tanks for washing.? Would be “nice” to have the option to drink the water from the tanks as well. ?Cleaned the tanks last year and would need to do again.??
?
Thanks,
Brian?
Escapade? S426
CT / LIS
--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
Re: Is this typical for crazing?
Perhaps the extent of the problem has to do w what climate the vessel is in, and whether it is covered or not??
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
toggle quoted message
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On May 23, 2025, at 9:27?AM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? Unfortunately Jordan, most 426s and 386s still have some crazing but not a huge amount. ?Its weird as to how it varies.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
On May 23, 2025, at 6:56?AM, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:
Jeff,?
?
I would agree with Bill on this one; you're going to find varying degrees of this crazing. This was most predominant on the 362, 402, and 452's that were built from 1996 to 2003. By the time they launched the 386 and 426 they had transitioned to a new gelcoat and the crazing issue seemed to go away.
?
My understanding of the story, and I'm sure someone in here can do a better job of articulating this...
Many manufacturers; Viking, Cabo, J-boats, Sabre, and others were sourcing their gelcoat from Cook Composites. In the early 90's the EPA issued new regulations which led to Cook Composites removing mercury from their gelcoat. Mercury was the ingredient that gave gelcoat its elasticity characteristics. Removing it meant that as the boat changed size and shape (microscopically) in different climates the gelcoat wouldn't match those changes and thus, would crack. The crazing issues started to present themselves in the early late 90's early 2000's and owners started to complain and file warranty claims. Many of those manufacturers went back to Cook Composites and wouldn't you know it, they went out of business by 2005. I know of one 402 that was totally re-decked by Sabre, and perhaps there are others. That boat was on the market a few years ago with a new awlgrip paintjob and new shiny decks, named 'Egret'.?
?
As for my experience with the situation, my wife and I looked at 5 - 402's in our search, and since buying one have been on 3 more. One of them was awful, and needed to see a grinding wheel and paint booth, 3-4 of them were in rough shape, but if you squinted your eyes, two of them were not bad at all, and one was exemplary. Polish and wax helps hide it. By no means does it fix it, but it puts some make up on the pimples.??
?
Long winded answer - but I hope this helps.?
?
Have fun, even it's just window shopping. :)?
?
Jordan
S402-047
formerly S36-087
?
Lake Michigan
-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Tim Dokken
Richard McLaren; S34-2 Polaris; Chicago
Philip Horn
LRG
Bill Graves
Jim 1980 S30,
Sam Moore
