The original opening port lights were probably Beckson. Screens and other parts are available. Installing the screens is a PITA.?
The hatches on my S32 are Bowmar.? If you search the list archives there should be quite a few threads on maintaining and replacing these hatches. ?
Dave Castor Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32 #077
On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 3:59?PM Scott Goldwyn via <sgoldwyn= [email protected]> wrote: I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I’d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I’ve never like the plastic ports…always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I’m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I’d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I’ve never like the plastic ports…always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I’m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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Thanks for all the very helpful replies so far. ?I’ll return from a family visit in South Carolina tonight, and will be back aboard tomorrow.
Phil & Andy, Depending on the thickness of my glass I may take you up on your generous offers and owe you guys a few beers. ?In your case Phil, I may consider investing in a micro-brewery.
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Elizabeth & Andy, Do you mind indicating the cost of the frame powder coating? ?And, Elizabeth how long ago did you do the job, and how is it holding up?
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Dave, ?Thanks for your insights as well. ?Your willing to share your considerable knowledge and experience is always appreciated
It’s my understanding that black is more UV resistant than white in everything from caulk to electrical zip ties. ?Besides the aesthetic look, that’s the main reason why I’m planning to edge the frame to glass in black. ?Please correct me if I am mistaken.
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Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the width/thickness of the glass to frame caulk. ?As previously stated the existing caulk is around 3/8-1/2” sloping to the glass from the frame. ?It’s gray, frayed, and unsightly. ?I’d
like to do 1/16-1/8” bead, but I’m not sure if it would compromise the seal. ?Not a big deal: I can always rip it out and redo it. ?Still, any thoughts would be appreciated, as always.
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1
Hudson River
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Hi Don - I had my old and even slightly corroded aluminum frames (I sanded them lightly) powder coated and they came out great, Elisa
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Re: Cleaning out the closet
Hi Folks,
Wanted to let you know the cockpit table has been spoken for.?
Thanks
Randy
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Hi Folks,
I am finally trying to do something about all the stuff. ?First up is offering this group first dibs.?
They are all offered at your best offer plus shipping. I am happy to give as many details as I can about any item you are interested in. They are:
Sea frost freezer unit Worked great when it left the boat. I just reworked my frig and put in a bigger freezer. It is 10”W x 11”D x 7”H .
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Folding Teak Cockpit Table, never used. I can’t remember why I have this one.?
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RayMarine 24” 48 mile Digital Radar Dome. No Cable. Worked great when it left the boat. I downsized to a smaller Doppler radar. I took of the Raymarine decal when it was new. I couldn’t work out an endorsement deal with them but it makes for a clean white
dome.?
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Folding swim ladder. Ment for sugar scoop folding up to transom.?
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Jack Rabbet Marine 125 Amp Alternator. Working fine when pulled off of the boat. I repowered and went with Alt.that would fit new engine.
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Again best offer plus shipping. Help a guy out….
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
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Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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I don't think I have had the pleasure of communicating with you as of this post.? However, please allow me to give you some brief background.? I have recently purchased my 4th sailboat.? A 1985 Sabre 32.? Awesome boat!? ?I had prior this one a Catalina 30 (X wife got it 25 yrs ago) , a Catalina 36 (Katrina took it from me) and a Pearson 367 Cutter rig, (had to give her up to support my son in a private college prep school for ADHD / OCD and that was just the right thing to do at the time).? After owning 3 sailboats, even living in Mobile, AL, I've never been in the Gulf of Mexico, or Gulf of America now?? Ergo, my 4th boat.? I am retired, 70, and rapidly running out of time.? That's when I found this Sabre 32, named, "About Time" I thought, yea.? One more chance.....
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I don't know if your cockpit table will fit a Sabre 32, don't see why not.? But I do know, they are not valued used at $100.00.? That, I thought, was a bit inappropriate an offer.? I don't see ANY new for less that around $700 to $1200 dollars.? I'm a retired musician living on social security.? I don't have $700 for a cockpit table, but I sure would relish one.?
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My goal 25 plus years ago was to sail down to the Keyes or to the Dry Tortugas. I am going to achieve this goal, or die in route.? Regardless, a cock[it table sure would make life easier for me vs not having one. I am prepared to make any reasonable offer to secure this if you feel confident it will fit on my Sabre 32.? It looks as if it is brand new !!!
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I will pay for UPS or USPS shipping and mail you a check in advance of shipment !? Please let me know what you had in mind for a mutually agreeable fair price for an old retired trumpet player.? I would be honored to install it on my boat, and toast you on the seas in route.? Please allow me to try to acquire this if at all possible.
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Highest and most respectful regards,
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Verne Royster
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Sabre 32 "About Time"
MYC - Mobile Al
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Note that Sam is new to the group and his messages were moderated and so wasn’t released until I saw it this morning. He did reply first in fairness at 01:35 eastern.
Please reach out directly to the original poster to discuss. You can reply privately.
Thanks and Safe Boating to all!
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Stephanie
Moderator
Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Hi Don, I'm in the middle of this project on my S38mkI.? I had my frames powdercoated silver and am reassembling them now.? On my early S38 the glass is 1/8" rather than 3/16".? The glazing for 1/8" glass is DR Laurence D753 rather than D752.? If your glass turns out to be 1/8" I should have enough leftover to send you some.? The glazing actually has seals on both side of the glass but the recommendation from Sabre is to trim away the outside part and put a bead of clear silicone on the outside.? That's today's project, then I'll be reinstalling with silpruf and butyl tape.
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Andy Kurtz
Cayuga S38mkI
Scituate, MA
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Hi Randy
I would love to have your table on our S36. What do you think would be a fair price?
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Interested in the cockpit table.? Would you take $100 plus shipping to NY?
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Marty? 516 429 2179? (text)
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Here you go Don:
I have some of the CRL vinyl gasket left (3/16? 752), let me know how much you need, I'll send it to you.
I used clear LifeSeal to seal between the gasket, glazing and frame to cabin.
It's very messy, makes reassembly difficult, but I've been using it for (30+)years, has never leaked.
Please feel free to get back to me with any questions, I've done all 4 ports twice so I've already
made all the mistakes.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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Can you provide dimensions please ??
Luff tape ??
Brand ??
Dacron ? Cross cut ??
Thanks. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On Apr 19, 2025, at 12:07?PM, Red Frog (S38-2 WK) via groups.io <ergoodman121@...> wrote:
? I have a main and 135% genoa from a Sabre 38-2? that I want to get out of my garage, Both in good cruising condition. Genoa has a relatively new UV protection strip for a roller furler.. No patches or holes in either.
I upgraded for racing. These sails were on my boat when I bought?them.
Make Offer plus shipping.
Randy Goodman S-38-2? Red Frog Virginia Beach, VA
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Cruising means you have plenty of time to think about weighty issues. This past week I noticed the Victron controllers keep track of the amount of power produced over a lifetime, this would be a good way to assess the overall impact of the radar pole and dome. The port panel on Second Star, th.e on most affected has produced 192kWh and the Starboard panel has produced 213kWh. That is an overall loss of about 10% due to the pole.?
The loss is not evenly distributed. Somedays, there is no loss or a trivial amount, on other days the loss is quite significant, with the Starboard panel producing twice as much as the port panel.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 18, 2025, at 1:02?PM, Oceans via groups.io <oceans100t@...> wrote:
Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I’m looking into possible 1” stainless pipe or some webbing to run in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center ridge. ?I’ll update my posts as the project progresses.
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Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24” pole mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I’m also hoping to get at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.
We’ll see how it goes…. ?John Sheehan of “Whimsey” (S-34T) corrected me during a different winter project he was kind enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned “plug & play”. ?He said, “You mean plug & pray.” ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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I used the windshield sealer because Butyl Tape was a challenge to find back when I did the ports some 20 years ago. (You really did deeply search the archives!). It worked well for as long as I owned the boat, however, I sold about 10 years ago.?
The color of the caulk for the outside doesn’t really matter, it is seal the gap between the glass, vinyl glazing, and frame. Not sure why Sabre cut the flange off the outside and caulked instead, it might have been an aesthetic reason. Anyway, it is probably a better solution than the vinyl flange. There is a Dow product (595?) that is similar to Silpruf. These silicone caulks are different from the usual marine silicone and HW store silicone.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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I have removed a leaky fixed port on my 38-1 for re-bedding. ?It’s the original style
with the aluminum frame on the outside as discussed below. ?I have also read the “Instructions to Rebed Sabre 28 Main Cabin Windows”. ?I would like to do the job following the factory guidelines but am unsure of a few procedures.
1. ?There is no mention of glazing vinyl or gaskets, but my window clearly has at least
two. ?One poster said he bought 3/16 glazing vinyl #D752. ?Another mentions acquiring window molding from Catalina Direct. ?I’m pretty sure I recall Phil Horn stating he researched, purchased and installed the original material and even attached a photo of
it during his glass replacement. ?However, I am unable to find that post. ?I am hoping those who have experience with this project can shed some light (no pun intended) on the correct products and where to acquire them. ?And, Phil, if you are following, please
respond. ?
2. ?The bead of caulking on the outside of the window and the aluminum frame is described as a silicone bead on the factory instructions for the 28. ?The bead on my windows is rather wide and ugly. ?It’s silver/gray after all these years, and I’m unsure if
it’s original. ?I’d like to use a smaller width bead of black silicone against the glass and the frame for a much neater look and a bead of white around the frame and the surrounding cabin top wall. ?I’m thinking a 1/8” bead, maybe even a 1/16” bead which
is about the thickness of the frame, but I’m not sure if the thinner bead would compromise the seal. ?I’m open to suggestions.
3. ?One poster recommends Permatex Windshield Sealer and details the procedure he followed very carefully. ?I’m wondering how the Permatext has been holding up in the harsh marine environment.
4. ?I’m also considering painting or powder coating the frame and eventually all the frames. ?I’ve used Interlux Perfection Hatteras Off White on my overhead hatches and the color matches the gelcoat nicely. ?Again, any advice or alternatives would be appreciated.
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Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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Hi Folks,
I am finally trying to do something about all the stuff. ?First up is offering this group first dibs.?
They are all offered at your best offer plus shipping. I am happy to give as many details as I can about any item you are interested in. They are:
Sea frost freezer unit Worked great when it left the boat. I just reworked my frig and put in a bigger freezer. It is 10”W x 11”D x 7”H .
Folding Teak Cockpit Table, never used. I can’t remember why I have this one.?
RayMarine 24” 48 mile Digital Radar Dome. No Cable. Worked great when it left the boat. I downsized to a smaller Doppler radar. I took of the Raymarine decal when it was new. I couldn’t work out an endorsement deal with them but it makes for a clean white
dome.?
Folding swim ladder. Ment for sugar scoop folding up to transom.?
Jack Rabbet Marine 125 Amp Alternator. Working fine when pulled off of the boat. I repowered and went with Alt.that would fit new engine.
Again best offer plus shipping. Help a guy out….
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
-- Randy Drummond Dazzle S38 mk2 206 Miami
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I have a main and 135% genoa from a Sabre 38-2? that I want to get out of my garage, Both in good cruising condition. Genoa has a relatively new UV protection strip for a roller furler.. No patches or holes in either.
I upgraded for racing. These sails were on my boat when I bought?them.
Make Offer plus shipping.
Randy Goodman S-38-2? Red Frog Virginia Beach, VA
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Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
I have removed a leaky fixed port on my 38-1 for re-bedding. ?It’s the original style
with the aluminum frame on the outside as discussed below. ?I have also read the “Instructions to Rebed Sabre 28 Main Cabin Windows”. ?I would like to do the job following the factory guidelines but am unsure of a few procedures.
1. ?There is no mention of glazing vinyl or gaskets, but my window clearly has at least
two. ?One poster said he bought 3/16 glazing vinyl #D752. ?Another mentions acquiring window molding from Catalina Direct. ?I’m pretty sure I recall Phil Horn stating he researched, purchased and installed the original material and even attached a photo of
it during his glass replacement. ?However, I am unable to find that post. ?I am hoping those who have experience with this project can shed some light (no pun intended) on the correct products and where to acquire them. ?And, Phil, if you are following, please
respond. ?
2. ?The bead of caulking on the outside of the window and the aluminum frame is described as a silicone bead on the factory instructions for the 28. ?The bead on my windows is rather wide and ugly. ?It’s silver/gray after all these years, and I’m unsure if
it’s original. ?I’d like to use a smaller width bead of black silicone against the glass and the frame for a much neater look and a bead of white around the frame and the surrounding cabin top wall. ?I’m thinking a 1/8” bead, maybe even a 1/16” bead which
is about the thickness of the frame, but I’m not sure if the thinner bead would compromise the seal. ?I’m open to suggestions.
3. ?One poster recommends Permatex Windshield Sealer and details the procedure he followed very carefully. ?I’m wondering how the Permatext has been holding up in the harsh marine environment.
4. ?I’m also considering painting or powder coating the frame and eventually all the frames. ?I’ve used Interlux Perfection Hatteras Off White on my overhead hatches and the color matches the gelcoat nicely. ?Again, any advice or alternatives would be appreciated.
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Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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David,
Just finished painting Skye S34mkII. 1 gallon does a nice job. I do race the boat so I wet-sand off 90% of what I just painted on and have a diver clean the bottom every week so the amount of paint is not critical. If you want more than one coat,
1-1/2 to 2 gallons is more than enough.
Charlie McMillan
McMillan Group Inc
25 Otter Trail
Westport, Ct ?06880
203-227-8696 office
203-291-9764 mobile?
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Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
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It depends on the air temp and humidity (it will determine my how fast it starts to skim in the pan or dry on the hull). On my S38MKII I’ve been able to do the whole bottom (Micron 66 - now discontinued) with a gallon and a half and sometimes
it 2.25 gallons. I always buy three gallons so I’m prepared. This will be the first year with CSC.?
Good luck.
Franz Alvarez
S/V Tranquility S38MKII
Temporarily in Mamaroneck?
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Don't know but I can do my S42 with one gallon.
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1988 Sabre 42 #38
Guilford, CT
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Date: 4/19/25 9:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Wetted surface
Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
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Don't know but I can do my S42 with one gallon.
Changes in Latitude 1988 Sabre 42 #38 Guilford, CT
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Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
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Scott Goldwyn
Elizabeth Rhodes
Stephanie
Sam Bargetz
Philip Horn
Red Frog (S38-2 WK)