Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Hi Don, I'm in the middle of this project on my S38mkI.? I had my frames powdercoated silver and am reassembling them now.? On my early S38 the glass is 1/8" rather than 3/16".? The glazing for 1/8" glass is DR Laurence D753 rather than D752.? If your glass turns out to be 1/8" I should have enough leftover to send you some.? The glazing actually has seals on both side of the glass but the recommendation from Sabre is to trim away the outside part and put a bead of clear silicone on the outside.? That's today's project, then I'll be reinstalling with silpruf and butyl tape.
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Andy Kurtz
Cayuga S38mkI
Scituate, MA
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Re: Cleaning out the closet
Hi Randy
I would love to have your table on our S36. What do you think would be a fair price?
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Interested in the cockpit table.? Would you take $100 plus shipping to NY?
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Marty? 516 429 2179? (text)
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Here you go Don:
I have some of the CRL vinyl gasket left (3/16? 752), let me know how much you need, I'll send it to you.
I used clear LifeSeal to seal between the gasket, glazing and frame to cabin.
It's very messy, makes reassembly difficult, but I've been using it for (30+)years, has never leaked.
Please feel free to get back to me with any questions, I've done all 4 ports twice so I've already
made all the mistakes.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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Can you provide dimensions please ??
Luff tape ??
Brand ??
Dacron ? Cross cut ??
Thanks. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On Apr 19, 2025, at 12:07?PM, Red Frog (S38-2 WK) via groups.io <ergoodman121@...> wrote:
? I have a main and 135% genoa from a Sabre 38-2? that I want to get out of my garage, Both in good cruising condition. Genoa has a relatively new UV protection strip for a roller furler.. No patches or holes in either.
I upgraded for racing. These sails were on my boat when I bought?them.
Make Offer plus shipping.
Randy Goodman S-38-2? Red Frog Virginia Beach, VA
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Re: Solar Panels on Bimini with Split Backstay
Cruising means you have plenty of time to think about weighty issues. This past week I noticed the Victron controllers keep track of the amount of power produced over a lifetime, this would be a good way to assess the overall impact of the radar pole and dome. The port panel on Second Star, th.e on most affected has produced 192kWh and the Starboard panel has produced 213kWh. That is an overall loss of about 10% due to the pole.?
The loss is not evenly distributed. Somedays, there is no loss or a trivial amount, on other days the loss is quite significant, with the Starboard panel producing twice as much as the port panel.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 18, 2025, at 1:02?PM, Oceans via groups.io <oceans100t@...> wrote:
Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I¡¯m looking into possible 1¡± stainless pipe or some webbing to run in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center ridge. ?I¡¯ll update my posts as the project progresses.
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Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24¡± pole mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I¡¯m also hoping to get at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.
We¡¯ll see how it goes¡. ?John Sheehan of ¡°Whimsey¡± (S-34T) corrected me during a different winter project he was kind enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned ¡°plug & play¡±. ?He said, ¡°You mean plug & pray.¡± ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
I used the windshield sealer because Butyl Tape was a challenge to find back when I did the ports some 20 years ago. (You really did deeply search the archives!). It worked well for as long as I owned the boat, however, I sold about 10 years ago.?
The color of the caulk for the outside doesn¡¯t really matter, it is seal the gap between the glass, vinyl glazing, and frame. Not sure why Sabre cut the flange off the outside and caulked instead, it might have been an aesthetic reason. Anyway, it is probably a better solution than the vinyl flange. There is a Dow product (595?) that is similar to Silpruf. These silicone caulks are different from the usual marine silicone and HW store silicone.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 19, 2025, at 2:47?PM, Oceans via groups.io <oceans100t@...> wrote:
I have removed a leaky fixed port on my 38-1 for re-bedding. ?It¡¯s the original style
with the aluminum frame on the outside as discussed below. ?I have also read the ¡°Instructions to Rebed Sabre 28 Main Cabin Windows¡±. ?I would like to do the job following the factory guidelines but am unsure of a few procedures.
1. ?There is no mention of glazing vinyl or gaskets, but my window clearly has at least
two. ?One poster said he bought 3/16 glazing vinyl #D752. ?Another mentions acquiring window molding from Catalina Direct. ?I¡¯m pretty sure I recall Phil Horn stating he researched, purchased and installed the original material and even attached a photo of
it during his glass replacement. ?However, I am unable to find that post. ?I am hoping those who have experience with this project can shed some light (no pun intended) on the correct products and where to acquire them. ?And, Phil, if you are following, please
respond. ?
2. ?The bead of caulking on the outside of the window and the aluminum frame is described as a silicone bead on the factory instructions for the 28. ?The bead on my windows is rather wide and ugly. ?It¡¯s silver/gray after all these years, and I¡¯m unsure if
it¡¯s original. ?I¡¯d like to use a smaller width bead of black silicone against the glass and the frame for a much neater look and a bead of white around the frame and the surrounding cabin top wall. ?I¡¯m thinking a 1/8¡± bead, maybe even a 1/16¡± bead which
is about the thickness of the frame, but I¡¯m not sure if the thinner bead would compromise the seal. ?I¡¯m open to suggestions.
3. ?One poster recommends Permatex Windshield Sealer and details the procedure he followed very carefully. ?I¡¯m wondering how the Permatext has been holding up in the harsh marine environment.
4. ?I¡¯m also considering painting or powder coating the frame and eventually all the frames. ?I¡¯ve used Interlux Perfection Hatteras Off White on my overhead hatches and the color matches the gelcoat nicely. ?Again, any advice or alternatives would be appreciated.
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Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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Hi Folks,
I am finally trying to do something about all the stuff. ?First up is offering this group first dibs.?
They are all offered at your best offer plus shipping. I am happy to give as many details as I can about any item you are interested in. They are:
Sea frost freezer unit Worked great when it left the boat. I just reworked my frig and put in a bigger freezer. It is 10¡±W x 11¡±D x 7¡±H .
Folding Teak Cockpit Table, never used. I can¡¯t remember why I have this one.?
RayMarine 24¡± 48 mile Digital Radar Dome. No Cable. Worked great when it left the boat. I downsized to a smaller Doppler radar. I took of the Raymarine decal when it was new. I couldn¡¯t work out an endorsement deal with them but it makes for a clean white
dome.?
Folding swim ladder. Ment for sugar scoop folding up to transom.?
Jack Rabbet Marine 125 Amp Alternator. Working fine when pulled off of the boat. I repowered and went with Alt.that would fit new engine.
Again best offer plus shipping. Help a guy out¡.
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
-- Randy Drummond Dazzle S38 mk2 206 Miami
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I have a main and 135% genoa from a Sabre 38-2? that I want to get out of my garage, Both in good cruising condition. Genoa has a relatively new UV protection strip for a roller furler.. No patches or holes in either.
I upgraded for racing. These sails were on my boat when I bought?them.
Make Offer plus shipping.
Randy Goodman S-38-2? Red Frog Virginia Beach, VA
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Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
I have removed a leaky fixed port on my 38-1 for re-bedding. ?It¡¯s the original style
with the aluminum frame on the outside as discussed below. ?I have also read the ¡°Instructions to Rebed Sabre 28 Main Cabin Windows¡±. ?I would like to do the job following the factory guidelines but am unsure of a few procedures.
1. ?There is no mention of glazing vinyl or gaskets, but my window clearly has at least
two. ?One poster said he bought 3/16 glazing vinyl #D752. ?Another mentions acquiring window molding from Catalina Direct. ?I¡¯m pretty sure I recall Phil Horn stating he researched, purchased and installed the original material and even attached a photo of
it during his glass replacement. ?However, I am unable to find that post. ?I am hoping those who have experience with this project can shed some light (no pun intended) on the correct products and where to acquire them. ?And, Phil, if you are following, please
respond. ?
2. ?The bead of caulking on the outside of the window and the aluminum frame is described as a silicone bead on the factory instructions for the 28. ?The bead on my windows is rather wide and ugly. ?It¡¯s silver/gray after all these years, and I¡¯m unsure if
it¡¯s original. ?I¡¯d like to use a smaller width bead of black silicone against the glass and the frame for a much neater look and a bead of white around the frame and the surrounding cabin top wall. ?I¡¯m thinking a 1/8¡± bead, maybe even a 1/16¡± bead which
is about the thickness of the frame, but I¡¯m not sure if the thinner bead would compromise the seal. ?I¡¯m open to suggestions.
3. ?One poster recommends Permatex Windshield Sealer and details the procedure he followed very carefully. ?I¡¯m wondering how the Permatext has been holding up in the harsh marine environment.
4. ?I¡¯m also considering painting or powder coating the frame and eventually all the frames. ?I¡¯ve used Interlux Perfection Hatteras Off White on my overhead hatches and the color matches the gelcoat nicely. ?Again, any advice or alternatives would be appreciated.
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Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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David,
Just finished painting Skye S34mkII. 1 gallon does a nice job. I do race the boat so I wet-sand off 90% of what I just painted on and have a diver clean the bottom every week so the amount of paint is not critical. If you want more than one coat,
1-1/2 to 2 gallons is more than enough.
Charlie McMillan
McMillan Group Inc
25 Otter Trail
Westport, Ct ?06880
203-227-8696 office
203-291-9764 mobile?
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On Apr 19, 2025, at 9:49 AM, david mcclay via < dmcclay@...> wrote:
Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
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It depends on the air temp and humidity (it will determine my how fast it starts to skim in the pan or dry on the hull). On my S38MKII I¡¯ve been able to do the whole bottom (Micron 66 - now discontinued) with a gallon and a half and sometimes
it 2.25 gallons. I always buy three gallons so I¡¯m prepared. This will be the first year with CSC.?
Good luck.
Franz Alvarez
S/V Tranquility S38MKII
Temporarily in Mamaroneck?
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Don't know but I can do my S42 with one gallon.
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1988 Sabre 42 #38
Guilford, CT
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Date: 4/19/25 9:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Wetted surface
Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
-- Franz Alvarez S/V Tranquility - S38MKII
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Don't know but I can do my S42 with one gallon.
Changes in Latitude 1988 Sabre 42 #38 Guilford, CT
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-------- Original message -------- From: "david mcclay via groups.io" <dmcclay@...> Date: 4/19/25 9:49 AM (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SabreSailboat] Wetted surface
Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
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Does anyone know the wetted surface area of a Sabre 34 mKII, deep keel? ?Trying to buy the right amount of antifouling paint.
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David McClay
Sabre 34 ?"Everwind"
Northport, NY
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Re: Solar Panels on Bimini with Split Backstay
this will be my 3rd season with a CustomMarine Prod 145W & so
far so good.? Probably what was 145 is now 155
Photo below is previous smaller panel but location is the same
On 4/18/2025 1:02 PM, Oceans via
groups.io wrote:
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Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support
modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There
is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I¡¯m
looking into possible 1¡± stainless pipe or some webbing to run
in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center
ridge. ?I¡¯ll update my posts as the project progresses.
?
Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products
shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four
separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not
only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24¡± pole
mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter
similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing
while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I¡¯m also hoping to get
at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and
plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.
We¡¯ll see how it goes¡. ?John Sheehan of ¡°Whimsey¡± (S-34T)
corrected me during a different winter project he was kind
enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned ¡°plug &
play¡±. ?He said, ¡°You mean plug & pray.¡± ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Solar Panels on Bimini with Split Backstay
Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I¡¯m looking into possible 1¡± stainless pipe or some webbing to run in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center ridge. ?I¡¯ll update my posts as the project progresses.
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Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24¡± pole mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I¡¯m also hoping to get at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.
We¡¯ll see how it goes¡. ?John Sheehan of ¡°Whimsey¡± (S-34T) corrected me during a different winter project he was kind enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned ¡°plug & play¡±. ?He said, ¡°You mean plug & pray.¡± ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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Thanks Tim, Dave
Serenade 1983 S 34-1 #184
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On Apr 17, 2025, at 8:30 AM, Tim Rivard via < tarivard@...> wrote:
Dave,
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Also Canadian here eh!
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I just did this job recently.
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I used loctite clover lapping and grinding paste (280 grit) - Spartan is 320 grit
The grease I used is Quicksilver 2-4-C marine grease.
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Both available on Amazon.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Dave,
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Also Canadian here eh!
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I just did this job recently.
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I used loctite clover lapping and grinding paste (280 grit) - Spartan is 320 grit
The grease I used is Quicksilver 2-4-C marine grease.
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Both available on Amazon.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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BTW, that white vinyl also cleans up really well with acetone.
I use it every year on the rubrail & dorades, looks like new with minimal effort.
I also wax it after it's clean.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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I was able to tape a piece of paper taut over the logo and gently use a pencil sideways to get the outline of the shape. Lay this onto a piece of vinyl, grab a razor blade and bada bing.
Corey
Light
S28-1
Essex, CT
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On Apr 16, 2025, at 2:24?PM, Stephanie via groups.io <Shburgess1207@...> wrote:
?Maybe find someone with a cricut machine or Etsy custom? I had a friend make my logo because I just have a 6¡± width machine and that has held up perfectly after 4 years. It¡¯s pretty easy to do with dimensions or a drawing. 12.99 for 12¡¯ x 3¡¯ of permanent outdoor vinyl on Amazon.
Stephanie
Arista, S36 #67, Lake Ontario
Shburgess1207@...
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Moderator
Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario
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Sam Bargetz
Philip Horn
Red Frog (S38-2 WK)
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
David Gerhardt
Tim Rivard