Re: A cruel April Fools joke
Wow¡well done but April Fools Cruel too!?
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Jim Kerney
SV/Blown Away S402
Cape Elizabeth, Maine
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Being the queen of typos, I couldn¡¯t agree more wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, it does mean the readers do need to learn another written language.?? Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
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On Apr 1, 2025, at 7:11?PM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
? Please don¡¯t edit a post over and over.? Those of us on email get a new message for every edit ¡ª four so far and counting. ? Multiple messages are much worse than typos.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:55?PM Jorgen Naess via <joergen.naess= [email protected]> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
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To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
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Wish me luck!
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Please don¡¯t edit a post over and over.? Those of us on email get a new message for every edit ¡ª four so far and counting. ? Multiple messages are much worse than typos.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:55?PM Jorgen Naess via <joergen.naess= [email protected]> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
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To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
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Wish me luck!
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That¡¯s great Info Peter. Thank you.?
---Alan Pressman Phone; 941-350-1559
Alan I used Toplac to repaint a fiberglas shower base in situ. I just used an abrasive 3M pad and one coat of leftover interlux barrier coat for prep. The white Toplac brushed on and leveled beautifully. When we sold the house 11 years later, after countless human and dog showers, it still looked like new.? I used the exhaust fan and a 3M respirator while painting. The solvent is meanstuff. ?
I¡¯ve been Investigating this too. I¡¯m liking what I hear about interlux toplac plus.? They say it¡¯s rolling without tipping. ?
Also trying to track down their primer/undercoat that is called One Up.? It Eliminates some of the sanding beteeen coats and replaces their standard primer.? It seems to be available in Europe but not the US.?
I¡¯m wondering if anyone has seen One Up in the states? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S34/402 Phone; 941-350-1559
On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 3:43?PM David Lochner via <davelochner= [email protected]> wrote: Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.
Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
Hey Sabre Crew,?
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I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
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Cheers.
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Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
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David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
?
To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
?
After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
?
Wish me luck!
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Alan I used Toplac to repaint a fiberglas shower base in situ. I just used an abrasive 3M pad and one coat of leftover interlux barrier coat for prep. The white Toplac brushed on and leveled beautifully. When we sold the house 11 years later, after countless human and dog showers, it still looked like new.? I used the exhaust fan and a 3M respirator while painting. The solvent is meanstuff.
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On Apr 1, 2025, at 4:45 PM, Alan via groups.io <alanpressman@...> wrote:
? I¡¯ve been Investigating this too. I¡¯m liking what I hear about interlux toplac plus.? They say it¡¯s rolling without tipping. ?
Also trying to track down their primer/undercoat that is called One Up.? It Eliminates some of the sanding beteeen coats and replaces their standard primer.? It seems to be available in Europe but not the US.?
I¡¯m wondering if anyone has seen One Up in the states? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S34/402 Phone; 941-350-1559
On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 3:43?PM David Lochner via <davelochner= [email protected]> wrote: Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.
Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
Hey Sabre Crew,?
?
I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
?
Cheers.
?
Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
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I¡¯ve been Investigating this too. I¡¯m liking what I hear about interlux toplac plus.? They say it¡¯s rolling without tipping. ?
Also trying to track down their primer/undercoat that is called One Up.? It Eliminates some of the sanding beteeen coats and replaces their standard primer.? It seems to be available in Europe but not the US.?
I¡¯m wondering if anyone has seen One Up in the states? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S34/402 Phone; 941-350-1559
On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 3:43?PM David Lochner via <davelochner= [email protected]> wrote: Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.
Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
Hey Sabre Crew,?
?
I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
?
Cheers.
?
Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
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How used are you looking?? I have a genoa or two and two mains for a 1990 36?
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Re: Enlarging the mastgate
Good suggestion Joe. And probably a lot easier.
Thanks.
Greg
Duet 34-338
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Re: Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor
There is a gadget called a Pitufino () that
serves as a N2K/NMEA 183/Seatalk/WiFi gateway (if you get the
Seatalk option).? Any N2k GPS plus a Pitufino will do the trick.
On 4/1/2025 2:09 PM, wtsnt via
groups.io wrote:
Our Raystar 125 GPS is not functioning. I replaced the
battery, and I get the green LED indicator, but the chart
plotter consistently states it has no GPS information. I haven't
been able to find any information on how to troubleshoot the
Raystar 125.
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In looking for SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, used Raystar
125's are pretty expensive.? However, several Chinese built GPS
sensors seem to be Raymarine/SeaTalk compatible, like this one:
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Has anyone had any experience with 3rd party SeaTalk
compatible GPS sensors, and does anyone know if this Chinese GPS
sensor, based on the noted specifics, "QU232U7 is an external GPS receiver, the protocol is NMEA 0183, the default baud rate is 4800" would work with an older Raymarine SeaTalk system?
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Thanks,
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Terry Watson
Sabre 34 MkII "Kismet"
Marion, MA
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor
Not sure what chartplotter you have, but here¡¯s my experience with my ancient C80:
The C80 will accept location coordinates on SeaTalk or 0183. But it prioritizes SeaTalk. To get my C80 to get coordinates on 0183, I had to physically disconnect the SeaTalk input. I now get coordinates on 0183 from my AIS and it works much better than the old Raystar.? But if it is connected to a Raystar GPS via SeaTalk it just sits there waiting for data from the Raystar.?
David Castor? Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32?
Our Raystar 125 GPS is not functioning. I replaced the battery, and I get the green LED indicator, but the chart plotter consistently states it has no GPS information. I haven't been able to find any information on how to troubleshoot the Raystar 125.
?
In looking for SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, used Raystar 125's are pretty expensive.? However, several Chinese built GPS sensors seem to be Raymarine/SeaTalk compatible, like this one:
?
?
Has anyone had any experience with 3rd party SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, and does anyone know if this Chinese GPS sensor, based on the noted specifics, "QU232U7 is an external GPS receiver, the protocol is NMEA 0183, the default baud rate is 4800" would work with an older Raymarine SeaTalk system?
?
Thanks,
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Terry Watson
Sabre 34 MkII "Kismet"
Marion, MA
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Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor
Our Raystar 125 GPS is not functioning. I replaced the battery, and I get the green LED indicator, but the chart plotter consistently states it has no GPS information. I haven't been able to find any information on how to troubleshoot the Raystar 125.
?
In looking for SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, used Raystar 125's are pretty expensive.? However, several Chinese built GPS sensors seem to be Raymarine/SeaTalk compatible, like this one:
?
?
Has anyone had any experience with 3rd party SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, and does anyone know if this Chinese GPS sensor, based on the noted specifics, "QU232U7 is an external GPS receiver, the protocol is NMEA 0183, the default baud rate is 4800" would work with an older Raymarine SeaTalk system?
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Thanks,
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Terry Watson
Sabre 34 MkII "Kismet"
Marion, MA
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I saw this on Facebook:
We have some big news! Sabre is excited to announce that we are returning to our roots and reintroducing sailboat production. Our founding legacy was built on the craft of creating high-quality sailboats, and while we have evolved over the years, our commitment to excellence remains unchanged. With this new initiative, we are not only honoring our past but also setting a course for a future that blends traditional craftsmanship with modern innovation. See the rendering at the end! #sabresail
Jay
Elizabeth Belle
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Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212
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Jorgen - thanks for confirming Sabre used 3M Hi-Strength 90 on the headliners. It explains why the foam separated from the plywood substrate! Only the 3M Hi-Tack 76 is approved for bonding to polyethylene.
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I second Dave¡¯s recommendation for using Sailrite. Excellent selection and DIY advice.?
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Jeff Boyle
Daystar S425 #79
Chicago, IL
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Re: condition and value survey
What were the grounds for removing the survey requirement?
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 1, 2025, at 9:52?AM, Jim & Betsy Townsend via groups.io <jim9townsend@...> wrote:
I called GEICO and discussed it with them.? ?I removed the requirement for a survey
Jim
Sabre 34ii
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Re: condition and value survey
I called GEICO and discussed it with them.? ?I removed the requirement for a survey
Jim
Sabre 34ii
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Sailrite seems to have it.
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Jim Kerney - SV/Blown Away - Sabre 402
Jim Starkey
Jorgen Naess
Chip Jacobs
Jay Flynn
Jeff Boyle
Peter