I was out to the boat today and tried to move a few seacocks just out of curiosity and no go, so will apply the solvent, tool force and patience approach.
Dave G Serenade 1983 34-1 #184
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On Mar 22, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Jeff Bartlett via < Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
As a counterpoint to Tim¡¯s experience, I offer that it may take more than one afternoon.
My galley sink drain seacock was a true PITA stuck in the closed position when I got my boat. ?
I cut the hose off, and sprayed PBlaster down into it, ?and let it sit overnight.
I took the handle off (feared the soft metal ears would bend), and used an old 8¡± monkey wrench(flat jaws, not grooved) tightened on the barrel tang to apply torque.
No joy.
I soaked the seacock with PBlaster again and waited overnight.
Tried the wrench again. ?No joy.
Broke out the heat gun on 7 for several minutes to heat the seacock.
Tried the wrench again. ?No joy
Soaked again overnight.
Tried again with heat and wrench. ?No joy this day, but on day four, I added a cheater bar to the wrench and the valve budged and I was able to remove the core.
Lapped with Spartan compound, it now works flawlessly again.
Jeff B S/V Northwood S34-2, 347 Deale, MD On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:37?PM, Tim Dokken via <timdokken@...> wrote:
? I just serviced all of the Spartan Seacocks on my boat, before I started only 3 of my 10 worked, now they all unfrozen and work as they should. ? I used the Spartan service kit, which I bought here: ? ? I then followed the instructions that Stephanie posted, really glad I had those. ?For the Seacocks that were frozen, I chose to lightly tap on the handle with a small hammer, and that freed all of them. ?I was very careful, as I knew not to "beat" on them. ?Turns out all of mine were in great shape, and I only had to lap 2 of them. ?The rest I was able to simply clean up with a solvent degreaser, re-grease and then reassemble. ? ? In total it took an afternoon to do all of them, but really glad I did. ? -- Tim Dokken?
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
No, it¡¯s bronze and larger.Something like this:
With NPT-to hose fittings.
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On Mar 22, 2025, at 13:46, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
?
Like so?? Periodically remove to clean?
On 3/22/2025 1:23 PM, Jay Flynn via
groups.io wrote:
I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the
problem.?
Jay
362
On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David
Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
?
Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and
regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve
when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed
any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to
close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the
sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the
waterline while at rest. On a hard port
tack, you may take some water into the sink.
As for the shower, I believe the strainer
and shower pump act as a one-way valve to
keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you
have a 402? You might want to check your
layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
|
As a counterpoint to Tim¡¯s experience, I offer that it may take more than one afternoon.
My galley sink drain seacock was a true PITA stuck in the closed position when I got my boat. ?
I cut the hose off, and sprayed PBlaster down into it, ?and let it sit overnight.
I took the handle off (feared the soft metal ears would bend), and used an old 8¡± monkey wrench(flat jaws, not grooved) tightened on the barrel tang to apply torque.
No joy.
I soaked the seacock with PBlaster again and waited overnight.
Tried the wrench again. ?No joy.
Broke out the heat gun on 7 for several minutes to heat the seacock.
Tried the wrench again. ?No joy
Soaked again overnight.
Tried again with heat and wrench. ?No joy this day, but on day four, I added a cheater bar to the wrench and the valve budged and I was able to remove the core.
Lapped with Spartan compound, it now works flawlessly again.
Jeff B
S/V Northwood
S34-2, 347
Deale, MD
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:37?PM, Tim Dokken via groups.io <timdokken@...> wrote:
?
I just serviced all of the Spartan Seacocks on my boat, before I started only 3 of my 10 worked, now they all unfrozen and work as they should.
?
I used the Spartan service kit, which I bought here: ?
?
I then followed the instructions that Stephanie posted, really glad I had those. ?For the Seacocks that were frozen, I chose to lightly tap on the handle with a small hammer, and that freed all of them. ?I was very careful, as I knew not to "beat" on them.
?Turns out all of mine were in great shape, and I only had to lap 2 of them. ?The rest I was able to simply clean up with a solvent degreaser, re-grease and then reassemble. ?
?
In total it took an afternoon to do all of them, but really glad I did.
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
--
Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
|
Should not wear out. I had problems with some of the interconnecting wiring and terminations. I also had to replace the relay that energized them. But as long as the resistance is good it should be working.?
Dave Castor? Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32
I found an old post about Glow Plugs, but was unable to answer this question:
?
Are Glow Plugs a service item like spark plugs?? I wouldn't think so but I thought I would ask all of you.? Mine in my W21 are original, and I was able to pick up a new set off of Amazon for $54.? I am assuming that if they all are the proper resistance and heat up to start the engine that is all they need to do, but maybe there is a reason to change them as preventative maintenance?
?
Thanks everyone.
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
Like so?? Periodically remove to clean?
On 3/22/2025 1:23 PM, Jay Flynn via
groups.io wrote:
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I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the
problem.?
Jay
362
On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David
Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
?
Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and
regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve
when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed
any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to
close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the
sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the
waterline while at rest. On a hard port
tack, you may take some water into the sink.
As for the shower, I believe the strainer
and shower pump act as a one-way valve to
keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you
have a 402? You might want to check your
layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
PO did that and it didn¡¯t solve the problem. We have to close that seacock before sailing.
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On Mar 22, 2025, at 13:23, Jay Flynn via groups.io <Popgrowl@...> wrote:
? I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.? Jay 362 On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
?
Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly
(well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing
particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the
shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few
times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area
behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while
at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some
water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe
the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve
to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a
402? You might want to check your layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
-- Jay Flynn ¡°Elizabeth Belle¡± Sabre 362 1999 #212
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
Yup, usually by the second time it¡¯s committed to memory! LOL
Franz Alvarez
SV Tranquility, S38MKII
Installing seacocks in Mamaroneck, NY
Get
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On the 38mkii we have to remember to shut the sink drains both in the head and the forward cabin, otherwise risk taking water when heeling.
Len Bertaux
On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:23?PM, Jay Flynn via groups.io <Popgrowl@...> wrote:
?I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.?
Jay
362
On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
? Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling
the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212
-- Franz Alvarez S/V Tranquility - S38MKII
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
On the 38mkii we have to remember to shut the sink drains both in the head and the forward cabin, otherwise risk taking water when heeling. Len Bertaux
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On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:23?PM, Jay Flynn via groups.io <Popgrowl@...> wrote:
? I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.? Jay 362 On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
?
Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly
(well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing
particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the
shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few
times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area
behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while
at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some
water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe
the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve
to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a
402? You might want to check your layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
-- Jay Flynn ¡°Elizabeth Belle¡± Sabre 362 1999 #212
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.? Jay 362
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On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
?
Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly
(well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing
particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the
shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few
times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area
behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while
at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some
water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe
the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve
to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a
402? You might want to check your layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
--
Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
Ditto for the 362
On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
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I have a 402 and regularly
(well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing
particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the
shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few
times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area
behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while
at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some
water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe
the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve
to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a
402? You might want to check your layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
|
Re: 402 head/shower drains
I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike Sabre 402 #37 Southern Cross Lake Ontario
Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?
Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
|
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Sorry, my reply ended up here instead of being part of Dave¡¯s thread. Thick fingers on a small keyboard!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
|
Sorry, my reply ended up here instead of being part of Dave¡¯s thread. Thick fingers on a small keyboard!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
|
Dave:
?
For most of us it¡¯s a no brainer that if you take them all out for cleaning and as my boatyard suggested, bead blasting, you need to make sure that each tapered insert is identified with its location. I labeled each and every one of them with masking tape as I took them out, but when the yard did the bead blasting job, the tape got removed from a few of the inserts in the process and two of the same size seacock inserts must have got mixed up. I did use some of the Spartan lapping compound to try to bed them in properly, but the location was not easy to get to and it resulted in a slow drip from one of them, unless the nut was tightened to the point where it was difficult to turn the handle and only identifiable after the boat went back in the water of course! I was not real happy, but luckily the dripping eventually stopped and they all now work well. IMHO I think they are awesome seacocks,?
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
|
Yes, Dave. I tapped on the adjusting nut to push the cone out sideways.
?
Greg
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 11:37 PM, Tim Dokken via < timdokken@...> wrote:
I just serviced all of the Spartan Seacocks on my boat, before I started only 3 of my 10 worked, now they all unfrozen and work as they should.
?
I used the Spartan service kit, which I bought here: ?
?
I then followed the instructions that Stephanie posted, really glad I had those. ?For the Seacocks that were frozen, I chose to lightly tap on the handle with a small hammer, and that freed all of them. ?I was very careful, as I knew not to "beat" on them. ?Turns out all of mine were in great shape, and I only had to lap 2 of them. ?The rest I was able to simply clean up with a solvent degreaser, re-grease and then reassemble. ?
?
In total it took an afternoon to do all of them, but really glad I did.
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
|
I changed mine a couple of years ago as a precaution. Bench tested the 38 year old ones with a 12 v battery and they worked just fine. Kept the old ones just in case.
?
?
Sojourn 30-3
?
|
I changed mine prophylacticly a few years ago when had injectors service but I think they had been working fine. At that point they were probably 20+ years old.?
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:41?PM, Tim Dokken via groups.io <timdokken@...> wrote:
? I found an old post about Glow Plugs, but was unable to answer this question:
?
Are Glow Plugs a service item like spark plugs? ?I wouldn't think so but I thought I would ask all of you. ?Mine in my W21 are original, and I was able to pick up a new set off of Amazon for $54. ?I am assuming that if they all are the proper resistance and heat up to start the engine that is all they need to do, but maybe there is a reason to change them as preventative maintenance?
?
Thanks everyone.
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
|
Re: Tri-Radial Spinnaker and Storm Trysail, 38MKII, on consignment with Bacon Sails in Annapolis.
We have an asymmetric, which stays with us and is used.? You should do a search to see if Bacon Sails has a suitable asymmetric on consignment.
Good luck,
Gus, S38MKII Wings. duet
?
|
I found an old post about Glow Plugs, but was unable to answer this question:
?
Are Glow Plugs a service item like spark plugs? ?I wouldn't think so but I thought I would ask all of you. ?Mine in my W21 are original, and I was able to pick up a new set off of Amazon for $54. ?I am assuming that if they all are the proper resistance and heat up to start the engine that is all they need to do, but maybe there is a reason to change them as preventative maintenance?
?
Thanks everyone.
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
|
David Gerhardt
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
Len Bertaux
Jay Flynn
Pete Waterson
Tim Dokken