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Re: Seacock Grease

 

David -
?
I just did all of the Seacocks on my boat, and I used the Spartan grease. ?I read this article () and everything in it made sense to me. ?I will say I have used every kind of grease there is over the years, and there is definitely something different about the Spartan grease, and I am very glad I used it. ?
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI


Re: Seacock Grease

 


On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 7:43?PM David Castor via <dpcastor=[email protected]> wrote:
I'm not an expert, but if you have the original Spartan bronze seacocks, I will say that the Spartan grease is quite thick - thicker than any other grease I have used.?

Dave Castor
Port Angeles, Wash
1986 S32 #077

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 5:23?PM David Gerhardt via <davidgerhardt56=[email protected]> wrote:
Before I purchase a tube of seacock grease I thought I would check with the forum on the possibility of using a tube of NLGI Grade 2 Lithium grease that I have hanging around.? This is a medium density non-hydrocarbon grease.? I also have a tube of Lewmar Geargrease made with Calcium Sulphonate.? Thoughts?

Thanks, Dave G

Serenade 1983 S-34-1 #184

NB, Canada





Re: Seacock Grease

 

I'm not an expert, but if you have the original Spartan bronze seacocks, I will say that the Spartan grease is quite thick - thicker than any other grease I have used.?

Dave Castor
Port Angeles, Wash
1986 S32 #077

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 5:23?PM David Gerhardt via <davidgerhardt56=[email protected]> wrote:
Before I purchase a tube of seacock grease I thought I would check with the forum on the possibility of using a tube of NLGI Grade 2 Lithium grease that I have hanging around.? This is a medium density non-hydrocarbon grease.? I also have a tube of Lewmar Geargrease made with Calcium Sulphonate.? Thoughts?

Thanks, Dave G

Serenade 1983 S-34-1 #184

NB, Canada





Seacock Grease

 

Before I purchase a tube of seacock grease I thought I would check with the forum on the possibility of using a tube of NLGI Grade 2 Lithium grease that I have hanging around. This is a medium density non-hydrocarbon grease. I also have a tube of Lewmar Geargrease made with Calcium Sulphonate. Thoughts?

Thanks, Dave G

Serenade 1983 S-34-1 #184

NB, Canada


Elliptic Folding Prop

 

Hi All,?
I just removed a Martec 16¡±diameter, 12¡± pitch folding prop. It¡¯s in great shape, just replace the 4 cotter pins (original included) and you are good. Coming off a Sabre 36, 1¡± shaft, RH thread. $200 shipped to you (Conus).?
--
Michael Henning?
1985 S36 Caper
Allen Harbor, RI


Re: Refrigerator insulation

 

Hi Carter, thanks for the info. I'm doing something similar. It'll be interesting to see, what if any, improvement there is.
Regards


Michael Sterling
Ph. 252-646-9610


On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 12:32?PM Carter Brey via <carter.brey=[email protected]> wrote:
Mike,
?
I can't really say how thick the existing insulation was because I took an extremely conservative route. I did not remove any of the existing fiberglass fridge box beyond drilling 1/4" holes in a regular pattern to allow foam injection, adding foam to whatever was already in there (Jimmy Hoffa? Aztec gold? Who knows?)
?
All I can say is that the available space seemed to vary depending on location. I was able to inject quite a bit through the teak settee back into the forward-facing side. Working from inside into the bottom and from outside into the aft side (after removing the oven) and into the starboard side, I found it possible only to inject a small amount before it squirted back out.
?
After sealing and sanding the holes inside the box, I used Rust-Oleum white enamel to paint the inside for cosmetics.
?
?


Re: Sabre 38 Mk2 rod rigging open style turnbuckles

 

The one way you can definitely determine if there is any cracking is to have die penetrant testing done.
?
In my previous life, i had my certs for non-destructive testing (die pen / mag particle / ultrasound)
?
I plan to replace my turnbuckles at some point during the re-fit.
?
Tim R
38MK II
in refit


Re: Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

 

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ABYC-13 isn't much of standard -- and it theoretically applies to all types of lithium batteries and not specifica to LFP.? Mostly it says, "follow the manufacturer's recommendations", put in functional BMS and follow other ABYC standards.

Our carrier, Chubb/Ace, said only, ¡°As long as marine grade parts are professionally installed as per ABYC standards, there are no coverage exclusions in the policy in regards to battery installation.¡±

Professional installer probably translates to ABYC certified tech, and an ABYC certified tech is going to want to bring everything he or she touches up to current specifications.? Expensive, yes.? The cost of the batteries and Zeus were the dwarfed by the labor.

On 4/15/2025 12:26 PM, Nauset Beach via groups.io wrote:

Allison,

?

Great suggestions.? That was essentially what the underwriter I spoke to indicated: they wanted to know / see how the installation was made.? A ¡°professional¡± detailed report / description of what was done, on letterhead of the installer.? A clear diagram should help the process.? He said some people had submitted handwritten notes.?

?

On the downside, he also said there are no standards, to which I mentioned ABYC E-13.? ?He sort of ignored that, only later to say ABYC had not come up with standards and maybe they would in another year...? He admitted he had a mental block on electronics and was much more comfortable with physical engineering issues.? One assumes there are other underwriters who are comfortable with electronics, and hopefully one of those people gets your file.? Sort of like building inspectors; there are good ones, and ones you never want to get when they are having a bad day.?

?

I seem to recall you had some not so complementary comments on Mastervolt, though not certain if that was some customer¡¯s poor experience, and if that included their LFP batteries or other equipment?? Might be better to take that off list if you prefer.

?

Thanks,

Brian

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Allison Lehman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2025 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

?

One more comment to add. ?There are ABYC standards for LFP. ?I suggest those of you who have LFP already, if professionally done, get drawing by your installer. ?If it is a DIY find some one to draw them for you. This way you are a step ahead of the insurance company in two ways. ?First off many think there are no standards so lets raise the premium and secondly there are some who reject it completely because they thing it isn¡¯t safe. ?By drawing their attention to the ABYC standards not only will you educate them but you might even get (or not lose) your insurance.


Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640



On Apr 15, 2025, at 5:01?AM, Nauset Beach via groups.io <nausetbeach@...> wrote:

?

Bill,

?

I spoke with an insurance underwriter at my insurance carrier and they will cover LFP conversions, on a case by case basis, though do have some base line requirements: US battery manufacturer and ¡°quality¡± [my phrasing] US installation.? They do not, as of yet, require ABYC certified installers.? He / they have seen some nightmare situations of ¡°drop in¡± LFP installations with very poor general boat maintenance, the classic house wiring with wire nuts, unsupported wires, etc. on 30+ yo boats not designed / built to handle the much higher electrical loads of today. ??I mentioned that I doubted any ¡°US¡± LFP battery was entirely US manufactured, importing parts to be assembled, and he was non-committal.? There also would be a premium increase due to LFP being onboard.? They are concerned with the limited track record of these batteries being installed in the marine environment, with salt exposure and near constant motion, which in their collective mind, increases the potential risks of these batteries.??

?

So worth a call to your insurance company.?

?

Brian

?

From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Sunday, April 13, 2025 1:40 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

?

Brian, thank you for reminding me to check with insurance on LFP conversion and for the other tips.? I need to do some more reading and checking.

?

Dave, I hear you about single point of failure. Two lighter batteries is also attractive.

Bill G

?

On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 5:14?AM Nauset Beach via?<nausetbeach=[email protected]> wrote:

Bill,

?

I am looking at the Epoch batteries as well, and did read [possibly in Panbo] the Victron comms in that battery were a bit sketchy and speculation was it would take a while to work the bugs out.? That seems to be the major advantage over the Essentials 460, which also is a shorter height at 8.6¡± [but longer] vs. the 12¡± of the Elite.? Is also IP54 vs IP67 so not waterproof, just water resistant.? But it will not be in an open bay like on an RV or van.? That same article indicated one could get the same information using a Victron Smart Shunt with the Essentials.??

?

Also read some insurance companies either do not cover LFP, or have very specific requirements if one is making the switch, like having to use a certified ABYC electrician in addition to following all the manufacturer¡¯s installation instructions and charging / maintenance protocols. Unfortunately, according to various online forums, my insurance company seems to be one of the one¡¯s which does not cover LFP.? Need to confirm with them this week.??

?

Brian

Escapade? S426

CT - LIS

?

From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Saturday, April 12, 2025 11:49 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

?

Hi all, I've been holding off on LFP battery conversion but the tariff thing is alarming so I'm considering the substantial purchase of an Epoch?12V 460Ah V2 Elite Series battery? for our 362.? Does anyone know if this particular Group D size battery fits under the starboard berth?? This battery is quite a bit taller than the Group 31s I have in there now (and I'm away from the boat and can't measure).? I realize there's more to LFP conversion than swapping the battery.

Thanks,
Bill Graves

2003 S362 #261 'Souwester'

Marblehead, MA

?


--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest

--
Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC


Re: Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

 

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I'm not anti Mastervolt, I just think Victron is better equipment. ?On some of the new boats we have delivered there have been several glitches right out of the box.



Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
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On Apr 15, 2025, at 9:26?AM, Nauset Beach via groups.io <nausetbeach@...> wrote:

Allison,?
?
Great suggestions.? That was essentially what the underwriter I spoke to indicated: they wanted to know / see how the installation was made.? A ¡°professional¡± detailed report / description of what was done, on letterhead of the installer.? A clear diagram should help the process.? He said some people had submitted handwritten notes.??
?
On the downside, he also said there are no standards, to which I mentioned ABYC E-13.? ?He sort of ignored that, only later to say ABYC had not come up with standards and maybe they would in another year...? He admitted he had a mental block on electronics and was much more comfortable with physical engineering issues.? One assumes there are other underwriters who are comfortable with electronics, and hopefully one of those people gets your file.? Sort of like building inspectors; there are good ones, and ones you never want to get when they are having a bad day.??
?
I seem to recall you had some not so complementary comments on Mastervolt, though not certain if that was some customer¡¯s poor experience, and if that included their LFP batteries or other equipment?? Might be better to take that off list if you prefer.?
?
Thanks,
Brian
?
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Allison Lehman via?
Sent:?Tuesday, April 15, 2025 11:43 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?
?
One more comment to add. ?There are ABYC standards for LFP. ?I suggest those of you who have LFP already, if professionally done, get drawing by your installer. ?If it is a DIY find some one to draw them for you. This way you are a step ahead of the insurance company in two ways. ?First off many think there are no standards so lets raise the premium and secondly there are some who reject it completely because they thing it isn¡¯t safe. ?By drawing their attention to the ABYC standards not only will you educate them but you might even get (or not lose) your insurance.

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
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On Apr 15, 2025, at 5:01?AM, Nauset Beach via??<nausetbeach@...> wrote:
?
Bill,
?
I spoke with an insurance underwriter at my insurance carrier and they will cover LFP conversions, on a case by case basis, though do have some base line requirements: US battery manufacturer and ¡°quality¡± [my phrasing] US installation.? They do not, as of yet, require ABYC certified installers.? He / they have seen some nightmare situations of ¡°drop in¡± LFP installations with very poor general boat maintenance, the classic house wiring with wire nuts, unsupported wires, etc. on 30+ yo boats not designed / built to handle the much higher electrical loads of today. ??I mentioned that I doubted any ¡°US¡± LFP battery was entirely US manufactured, importing parts to be assembled, and he was non-committal.? There also would be a premium increase due to LFP being onboard.? They are concerned with the limited track record of these batteries being installed in the marine environment, with salt exposure and near constant motion, which in their collective mind, increases the potential risks of these batteries.??
?
So worth a call to your insurance company.?
?
Brian
?
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Sunday, April 13, 2025 1:40 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?
?
Brian, thank you for reminding me to check with insurance on LFP conversion and for the other tips.? I need to do some more reading and checking.
?
Dave, I hear you about single point of failure. Two lighter batteries is also attractive.
Bill G
?
On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 5:14?AM Nauset Beach via?<nausetbeach=[email protected]> wrote:
Bill,
?
I am looking at the Epoch batteries as well, and did read [possibly in Panbo] the Victron comms in that battery were a bit sketchy and speculation was it would take a while to work the bugs out.? That seems to be the major advantage over the Essentials 460, which also is a shorter height at 8.6¡± [but longer] vs. the 12¡± of the Elite.? Is also IP54 vs IP67 so not waterproof, just water resistant.? But it will not be in an open bay like on an RV or van.? That same article indicated one could get the same information using a Victron Smart Shunt with the Essentials.??
?
Also read some insurance companies either do not cover LFP, or have very specific requirements if one is making the switch, like having to use a certified ABYC electrician in addition to following all the manufacturer¡¯s installation instructions and charging / maintenance protocols. Unfortunately, according to various online forums, my insurance company seems to be one of the one¡¯s which does not cover LFP.? Need to confirm with them this week.??
?
Brian
Escapade? S426
CT - LIS
?
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Saturday, April 12, 2025 11:49 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?
?
Hi all, I've been holding off on LFP battery conversion but the tariff thing is alarming so I'm considering the substantial purchase of an Epoch?12V 460Ah V2 Elite Series battery? for our 362.? Does anyone know if this particular Group D size battery fits under the starboard berth?? This battery is quite a bit taller than the Group 31s I have in there now (and I'm away from the boat and can't measure).? I realize there's more to LFP conversion than swapping the battery.
Thanks,
Bill Graves
2003 S362 #261 'Souwester'
Marblehead, MA
?

--?
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest?



--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest


Re: Refrigerator insulation

 

Mike,
?
I can't really say how thick the existing insulation was because I took an extremely conservative route. I did not remove any of the existing fiberglass fridge box beyond drilling 1/4" holes in a regular pattern to allow foam injection, adding foam to whatever was already in there (Jimmy Hoffa? Aztec gold? Who knows?)
?
All I can say is that the available space seemed to vary depending on location. I was able to inject quite a bit through the teak settee back into the forward-facing side. Working from inside into the bottom and from outside into the aft side (after removing the oven) and into the starboard side, I found it possible only to inject a small amount before it squirted back out.
?
After sealing and sanding the holes inside the box, I used Rust-Oleum white enamel to paint the inside for cosmetics.
?
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/k6tew2dkr9bqxsjttmpgy/h?rlkey=t97jj4r8ljjhgqm1vfjb8jwu8&st=6lr8u30f&dl=0
?


Re: Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

 

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Allison,

?

Great suggestions.? That was essentially what the underwriter I spoke to indicated: they wanted to know / see how the installation was made.? A ¡°professional¡± detailed report / description of what was done, on letterhead of the installer.? A clear diagram should help the process.? He said some people had submitted handwritten notes.?

?

On the downside, he also said there are no standards, to which I mentioned ABYC E-13.? ?He sort of ignored that, only later to say ABYC had not come up with standards and maybe they would in another year...? He admitted he had a mental block on electronics and was much more comfortable with physical engineering issues.? One assumes there are other underwriters who are comfortable with electronics, and hopefully one of those people gets your file.? Sort of like building inspectors; there are good ones, and ones you never want to get when they are having a bad day.?

?

I seem to recall you had some not so complementary comments on Mastervolt, though not certain if that was some customer¡¯s poor experience, and if that included their LFP batteries or other equipment?? Might be better to take that off list if you prefer.

?

Thanks,

Brian

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Allison Lehman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2025 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

?

One more comment to add. ?There are ABYC standards for LFP. ?I suggest those of you who have LFP already, if professionally done, get drawing by your installer. ?If it is a DIY find some one to draw them for you. This way you are a step ahead of the insurance company in two ways. ?First off many think there are no standards so lets raise the premium and secondly there are some who reject it completely because they thing it isn¡¯t safe. ?By drawing their attention to the ABYC standards not only will you educate them but you might even get (or not lose) your insurance.


Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640



On Apr 15, 2025, at 5:01?AM, Nauset Beach via groups.io <nausetbeach@...> wrote:

?

Bill,

?

I spoke with an insurance underwriter at my insurance carrier and they will cover LFP conversions, on a case by case basis, though do have some base line requirements: US battery manufacturer and ¡°quality¡± [my phrasing] US installation.? They do not, as of yet, require ABYC certified installers.? He / they have seen some nightmare situations of ¡°drop in¡± LFP installations with very poor general boat maintenance, the classic house wiring with wire nuts, unsupported wires, etc. on 30+ yo boats not designed / built to handle the much higher electrical loads of today. ??I mentioned that I doubted any ¡°US¡± LFP battery was entirely US manufactured, importing parts to be assembled, and he was non-committal.? There also would be a premium increase due to LFP being onboard.? They are concerned with the limited track record of these batteries being installed in the marine environment, with salt exposure and near constant motion, which in their collective mind, increases the potential risks of these batteries.??

?

So worth a call to your insurance company.?

?

Brian

?

From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Sunday, April 13, 2025 1:40 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

?

Brian, thank you for reminding me to check with insurance on LFP conversion and for the other tips.? I need to do some more reading and checking.

?

Dave, I hear you about single point of failure. Two lighter batteries is also attractive.

Bill G

?

On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 5:14?AM Nauset Beach via?<nausetbeach=[email protected]> wrote:

Bill,

?

I am looking at the Epoch batteries as well, and did read [possibly in Panbo] the Victron comms in that battery were a bit sketchy and speculation was it would take a while to work the bugs out.? That seems to be the major advantage over the Essentials 460, which also is a shorter height at 8.6¡± [but longer] vs. the 12¡± of the Elite.? Is also IP54 vs IP67 so not waterproof, just water resistant.? But it will not be in an open bay like on an RV or van.? That same article indicated one could get the same information using a Victron Smart Shunt with the Essentials.??

?

Also read some insurance companies either do not cover LFP, or have very specific requirements if one is making the switch, like having to use a certified ABYC electrician in addition to following all the manufacturer¡¯s installation instructions and charging / maintenance protocols. Unfortunately, according to various online forums, my insurance company seems to be one of the one¡¯s which does not cover LFP.? Need to confirm with them this week.??

?

Brian

Escapade? S426

CT - LIS

?

From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Saturday, April 12, 2025 11:49 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

?

Hi all, I've been holding off on LFP battery conversion but the tariff thing is alarming so I'm considering the substantial purchase of an Epoch?12V 460Ah V2 Elite Series battery? for our 362.? Does anyone know if this particular Group D size battery fits under the starboard berth?? This battery is quite a bit taller than the Group 31s I have in there now (and I'm away from the boat and can't measure).? I realize there's more to LFP conversion than swapping the battery.

Thanks,
Bill Graves

2003 S362 #261 'Souwester'

Marblehead, MA

?


--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest


Re: Deck/caprail Fillet #362Sabre #Sabre362

 
Edited

Use a small very sharp profile scraper and gently work at it. As latitude said, tedious work. I noticed on mine there are numerous valleys running directly adjacent to the toe rail from overly aggressive scraping previously done which I aggravated to some extent when I stripped the rails a few years back. Sloppy taping (and inadvertent sags) leads to a large shelf of varnish sitting on top of the vinyl ?fillet which is a bugger to scrape neatly without damage to the vinyl. Same applies to the outboard side of the rail. Once done mind the taping carefully. I flat out refuse to attempt varnish work of any kind, taping, scraping, sanding, or applying without complete walk around staging set up around the whole boat and the lower life line removed. As a true craftsmen/mentor of mine taught me 5 decades ago, ¡°The quality of the work depends on the comfort of the craftsman.¡±, and I still need all the help I can get. :(
--
Peter Metcalf
Pfmet@...
Sabre 28 #312 Serenade
Noank, CT


Re: Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?

 

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One more comment to add. ?There are ABYC standards for LFP. ?I suggest those of you who have LFP already, if professionally done, get drawing by your installer. ?If it is a DIY find some one to draw them for you. This way you are a step ahead of the insurance company in two ways. ?First off many think there are no standards so lets raise the premium and secondly there are some who reject it completely because they thing it isn¡¯t safe. ?By drawing their attention to the ABYC standards not only will you educate them but you might even get (or not lose) your insurance.

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
PastedGraphic-1.tiff

On Apr 15, 2025, at 5:01?AM, Nauset Beach via groups.io <nausetbeach@...> wrote:

Bill,
?
I spoke with an insurance underwriter at my insurance carrier and they will cover LFP conversions, on a case by case basis, though do have some base line requirements: US battery manufacturer and ¡°quality¡± [my phrasing] US installation.? They do not, as of yet, require ABYC certified installers.? He / they have seen some nightmare situations of ¡°drop in¡± LFP installations with very poor general boat maintenance, the classic house wiring with wire nuts, unsupported wires, etc. on 30+ yo boats not designed / built to handle the much higher electrical loads of today. ??I mentioned that I doubted any ¡°US¡± LFP battery was entirely US manufactured, importing parts to be assembled, and he was non-committal.? There also would be a premium increase due to LFP being onboard.? They are concerned with the limited track record of these batteries being installed in the marine environment, with salt exposure and near constant motion, which in their collective mind, increases the potential risks of these batteries.??
?
So worth a call to your insurance company.?
?
Brian
?
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Sunday, April 13, 2025 1:40 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?
?
Brian, thank you for reminding me to check with insurance on LFP conversion and for the other tips.? I need to do some more reading and checking.
?
Dave, I hear you about single point of failure. Two lighter batteries is also attractive.
Bill G
?
On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 5:14?AM Nauset Beach via?<nausetbeach=[email protected]> wrote:
Bill,
?
I am looking at the Epoch batteries as well, and did read [possibly in Panbo] the Victron comms in that battery were a bit sketchy and speculation was it would take a while to work the bugs out.? That seems to be the major advantage over the Essentials 460, which also is a shorter height at 8.6¡± [but longer] vs. the 12¡± of the Elite.? Is also IP54 vs IP67 so not waterproof, just water resistant.? But it will not be in an open bay like on an RV or van.? That same article indicated one could get the same information using a Victron Smart Shunt with the Essentials.??
?
Also read some insurance companies either do not cover LFP, or have very specific requirements if one is making the switch, like having to use a certified ABYC electrician in addition to following all the manufacturer¡¯s installation instructions and charging / maintenance protocols. Unfortunately, according to various online forums, my insurance company seems to be one of the one¡¯s which does not cover LFP.? Need to confirm with them this week.??
?
Brian
Escapade? S426
CT - LIS
?
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Bill Graves via?
Sent:?Saturday, April 12, 2025 11:49 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[SabreSailboat] Epoch 12V 460Ah LFP battery on Sabre 362?
?
Hi all, I've been holding off on LFP battery conversion but the tariff thing is alarming so I'm considering the substantial purchase of an Epoch?12V 460Ah V2 Elite Series battery? for our 362.? Does anyone know if this particular Group D size battery fits under the starboard berth?? This battery is quite a bit taller than the Group 31s I have in there now (and I'm away from the boat and can't measure).? I realize there's more to LFP conversion than swapping the battery.
Thanks,
Bill Graves
2003 S362 #261 'Souwester'
Marblehead, MA



--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest


Re: Deck/caprail Fillet #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

I was able to clean mine using a small home made scraper and sandpaper.? Tedious work but looks so much better.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 9:30?AM Tom Malone via <tgm98368=[email protected]> wrote:
Interesting idea to skim coat anyplace that can't be cleaned up.?
?
Thanks,
Tom Malone
Sabre 362 #173
Port Townsend, WA


Re: Deck/caprail Fillet #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

Interesting idea to skim coat anyplace that can't be cleaned up.?
?
Thanks,
Tom Malone
Sabre 362 #173
Port Townsend, WA


Re: Deck/caprail Fillet #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

Thank you, your knowledge is so helpful. I agree, if that is part of the rubrail extrusion I shouldn't mess with it and try hard to clean mine up. I'll start with Barkeepers Friend and then use careful heat and then possibly chemical stripper to remove the varnish drips.
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Thanks,
Tom Malone
Sabre 362 #173
Port Townsend, WA


Re: Refrigerator insulation

 

For what?it's worth, we installed a Frigoboat Keel Cooler refrigeration unit?in 2023. No alteration to the insulation of the 41-year old ice box. We set yjr temp to 40? and?it maintains a steady temperature all the time. Freezer compartment can keep ice cream!
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Gerald (Jerry) Brecher
SIRACH 1982 Sabre 38 MkI,?
Now lying Coruna, Spain
Sailing?home to Gloucester, MA this summer
488 Pleasant Street
North Andover, MA 01845 USA
mobile: 617-510-5133


Re: Deck/caprail Fillet #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

Removing it seems like opening a real can of worms. I wonder if some careful mask taping and skim coating with 3M4000UV might help
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Rob McCarthy,
1995 #Sabre362 ?#362Sabre
hull 158 ¡°Windhover¡±


Re: Deck/caprail Fillet #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

As Peter said the "fillet" you describe is probably part of the bathtub, which seals the hull/deck
joint & is part of the rub rail. I would leave it alone, the toe rail needs to be removed to replace it.
Mine is not in great shape either, but I think messing with it would only make it worse.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY


Re: Enlarging the mastgate

 

Hi Stephanie-
There may be a piece of an old broken bolt that is protruding enough to block the track from sliding freely. My track had been repaired in the past by putting in a new bolt adjacent to a broken bolt in 2 or 3 spots. I drilled the stubs of those bolts down a bit to ensure clearance.?
Joe
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Joe Cleary

Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston