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Re: Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor

 

Terry: if you get a green light, then the RS125 is computing a valid GPS fix, however the Green light does not mean that the device is actually outputting that data, as there could be a problem with the Seatalk output curcuitry. There is a possibility therefore that the no fix fault you have is not actually to do with the sensor, but with the cable ( yellow or green cores). Yellow is data out to the Seatalk Bus. ?Green needs to be tied to the red for Seatalk output and it is tied to ground for NMEA output ( obviously if the green is still connected to red and gets shorted to ground, it will short out the supply voltage to the RS125 and there will be no light at all). If you have any other instruments connected on your Seatalk bus, you should check to see that data is getting from those devices to the Chartplotter (Wind, Boat Speed or Depth perhaps). If there are additional devices and you are not seeing any of this data at all, then it is possible that the fault is with any one of these devices, (including the RS125)
Irrespective of all of the above, the RS125 was first launched over 20 years ago and was not designed to last until 2025. The number of binary digits in the data word ?was not sufficient to allow it to compute date and time correctly after 20 years and so all Raystar 125¡¯s still in the field are computing incorrect time and date and although they will still compute Position, they will not allow computation of correct navigational data relating to ETA and for computation of Tidal information etc. - i.e. It needs to be replaced not fixed. As has been stated, depending upon the Chartplotter it is connected to, position can be input via NMEA0183 and for that, a cost effective device we sometimes use is the Standard Horizon SCU-31, which sells for around $100.00.
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Pete Waterson
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S38-2
Oriental, NC


Re: A cruel April Fools joke

 

Wow¡­well done but April Fools Cruel too!?
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Jim Kerney
SV/Blown Away S402
Cape Elizabeth, Maine
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Creator of PedPox for Cruisers

jimkerney@...


Re: Headliner for S452

 

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Being the queen of typos, I couldn¡¯t agree more wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, it does mean the readers do need to learn another written language.??

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
allisonleh@... ? ? ??


On Apr 1, 2025, at 7:11?PM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:

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Please don¡¯t edit a post over and over.? Those of us on email get a new message for every edit ¡ª four so far and counting. ? Multiple messages are much worse than typos.

Jim Starkey


On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:55?PM Jorgen Naess via <joergen.naess=[email protected]> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
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To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
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Wish me luck!


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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest


Re: Headliner for S452

 

Please don¡¯t edit a post over and over.? Those of us on email get a new message for every edit ¡ª four so far and counting. ? Multiple messages are much worse than typos.

Jim Starkey


On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:55?PM Jorgen Naess via <joergen.naess=[email protected]> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
?
To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
?
Wish me luck!


Re: Paint Job

 

That¡¯s great Info Peter. Thank you.?



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Alan Pressman
Phone; 941-350-1559


On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 5:24?PM Peter Tollini via <sabre30=[email protected]> wrote:
Alan
I used Toplac to repaint a fiberglas shower base in situ. I just used an abrasive 3M pad and one coat of leftover interlux barrier coat for prep. The white Toplac brushed on and leveled beautifully. When we sold the house 11 years later, after countless human and dog showers, it still looked like new.?
I used the exhaust fan and a 3M respirator while painting. The solvent is meanstuff.


On Apr 1, 2025, at 4:45 PM, Alan via <alanpressman=[email protected]> wrote:

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I¡¯ve been Investigating this too. I¡¯m liking what I hear about interlux toplac plus.? They say it¡¯s rolling without tipping. ?

Also trying to track down their primer/undercoat that is called One Up.? It Eliminates some of the sanding beteeen coats and replaces their standard primer.? It seems to be available in Europe but not the US.?

I¡¯m wondering if anyone has seen One Up in the states?

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Alan Pressman
Windswept
S34/402
Phone; 941-350-1559


On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 3:43?PM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:
Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.

Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 30, 2025, at 3:29?PM, Jordan via <jordan.permoda=[email protected]> wrote:

Hey Sabre Crew,?
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I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
?
Cheers.
?
Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


Re: Headliner for S452

 
Edited

David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
?
To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
?
After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
?
Wish me luck!


Re: Paint Job

 

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Alan
I used Toplac to repaint a fiberglas shower base in situ. I just used an abrasive 3M pad and one coat of leftover interlux barrier coat for prep. The white Toplac brushed on and leveled beautifully. When we sold the house 11 years later, after countless human and dog showers, it still looked like new.?
I used the exhaust fan and a 3M respirator while painting. The solvent is meanstuff.


On Apr 1, 2025, at 4:45 PM, Alan via groups.io <alanpressman@...> wrote:

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I¡¯ve been Investigating this too. I¡¯m liking what I hear about interlux toplac plus.? They say it¡¯s rolling without tipping. ?

Also trying to track down their primer/undercoat that is called One Up.? It Eliminates some of the sanding beteeen coats and replaces their standard primer.? It seems to be available in Europe but not the US.?

I¡¯m wondering if anyone has seen One Up in the states?

---
Alan Pressman
Windswept
S34/402
Phone; 941-350-1559


On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 3:43?PM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:
Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.

Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 30, 2025, at 3:29?PM, Jordan via <jordan.permoda=[email protected]> wrote:

Hey Sabre Crew,?
?
I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
?
Cheers.
?
Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


Re: Paint Job

 

I¡¯ve been Investigating this too. I¡¯m liking what I hear about interlux toplac plus.? They say it¡¯s rolling without tipping. ?

Also trying to track down their primer/undercoat that is called One Up.? It Eliminates some of the sanding beteeen coats and replaces their standard primer.? It seems to be available in Europe but not the US.?

I¡¯m wondering if anyone has seen One Up in the states?

---
Alan Pressman
Windswept
S34/402
Phone; 941-350-1559


On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 3:43?PM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:
Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.

Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 30, 2025, at 3:29?PM, Jordan via <jordan.permoda=[email protected]> wrote:

Hey Sabre Crew,?
?
I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
?
Cheers.
?
Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


Re: Sabre 36 used sails

 

How used are you looking?? I have a genoa or two and two mains for a 1990 36?
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Re: Enlarging the mastgate

 

Good suggestion Joe. And probably a lot easier.
Thanks.
Greg
Duet 34-338


Re: Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor

 

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There is a gadget called a Pitufino () that serves as a N2K/NMEA 183/Seatalk/WiFi gateway (if you get the Seatalk option).? Any N2k GPS plus a Pitufino will do the trick.

On 4/1/2025 2:09 PM, wtsnt via groups.io wrote:
Our Raystar 125 GPS is not functioning. I replaced the battery, and I get the green LED indicator, but the chart plotter consistently states it has no GPS information. I haven't been able to find any information on how to troubleshoot the Raystar 125.
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In looking for SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, used Raystar 125's are pretty expensive.? However, several Chinese built GPS sensors seem to be Raymarine/SeaTalk compatible, like this one:
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Has anyone had any experience with 3rd party SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, and does anyone know if this Chinese GPS sensor, based on the noted specifics, "QU232U7 is an external GPS receiver, the protocol is NMEA 0183, the default baud rate is 4800" would work with an older Raymarine SeaTalk system?
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Thanks,
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Terry Watson
Sabre 34 MkII "Kismet"
Marion, MA
--
Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC


Re: Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor

 

Not sure what chartplotter you have, but here¡¯s my experience with my ancient C80:

The C80 will accept location coordinates on SeaTalk or 0183. But it prioritizes SeaTalk. To get my C80 to get coordinates on 0183, I had to physically disconnect the SeaTalk input. I now get coordinates on 0183 from my AIS and it works much better than the old Raystar.? But if it is connected to a Raystar GPS via SeaTalk it just sits there waiting for data from the Raystar.?

David Castor?
Port Angeles, Wash
1986 S32?

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 11:09?AM wtsnt via <wtsnt=[email protected]> wrote:
Our Raystar 125 GPS is not functioning. I replaced the battery, and I get the green LED indicator, but the chart plotter consistently states it has no GPS information. I haven't been able to find any information on how to troubleshoot the Raystar 125.
?
In looking for SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, used Raystar 125's are pretty expensive.? However, several Chinese built GPS sensors seem to be Raymarine/SeaTalk compatible, like this one:
?
?
Has anyone had any experience with 3rd party SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, and does anyone know if this Chinese GPS sensor, based on the noted specifics, "QU232U7 is an external GPS receiver, the protocol is NMEA 0183, the default baud rate is 4800" would work with an older Raymarine SeaTalk system?
?
Thanks,
?
Terry Watson
Sabre 34 MkII "Kismet"
Marion, MA


Replcement SeaTalk GPS sensor

 

Our Raystar 125 GPS is not functioning. I replaced the battery, and I get the green LED indicator, but the chart plotter consistently states it has no GPS information. I haven't been able to find any information on how to troubleshoot the Raystar 125.
?
In looking for SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, used Raystar 125's are pretty expensive.? However, several Chinese built GPS sensors seem to be Raymarine/SeaTalk compatible, like this one:
?
?
Has anyone had any experience with 3rd party SeaTalk compatible GPS sensors, and does anyone know if this Chinese GPS sensor, based on the noted specifics, "QU232U7 is an external GPS receiver, the protocol is NMEA 0183, the default baud rate is 4800" would work with an older Raymarine SeaTalk system?
?
Thanks,
?
Terry Watson
Sabre 34 MkII "Kismet"
Marion, MA


A cruel April Fools joke

 

I saw this on Facebook:

We have some big news! Sabre is excited to announce that we are returning to our roots and reintroducing sailboat production. Our founding legacy was built on the craft of creating high-quality sailboats, and while we have evolved over the years, our commitment to excellence remains unchanged. With this new initiative, we are not only honoring our past but also setting a course for a future that blends traditional craftsmanship with modern innovation. See the rendering at the end! #sabresail

Jay
Elizabeth Belle


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Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212


Re: Headliner for S452

 

Jorgen - thanks for confirming Sabre used 3M Hi-Strength 90 on the headliners. It explains why the foam separated from the plywood substrate! Only the 3M Hi-Tack 76 is approved for bonding to polyethylene.
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I second Dave¡¯s recommendation for using Sailrite. Excellent selection and DIY advice.?
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Jeff Boyle
Daystar S425 #79
Chicago, IL


Re: condition and value survey

 

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What were the grounds for removing the survey requirement?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Apr 1, 2025, at 9:52?AM, Jim & Betsy Townsend via groups.io <jim9townsend@...> wrote:

I called GEICO and discussed it with them.? ?I removed the requirement for a survey
Jim
Sabre 34ii


Re: condition and value survey

 

I called GEICO and discussed it with them.? ?I removed the requirement for a survey
Jim
Sabre 34ii


Re: Headliner for S452

 

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Sailrite seems to have it.







Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Apr 1, 2025, at 6:27?AM, Jorgen Naess via groups.io <joergen.naess@...> wrote:

I am in the process of repairing the headliner in the main cabin of my 2001 Sabre 452. Much of the vinyl material has separated and there are many sags and bubbles. With a lot of previous help and feedback from previous posts on this forum I have gained enough information (and confidence) to start the project. All ceiling trim has now been removed, and I am taking down the 4-5 plywood pieces in the ceiling where the headliner is attached. I have purchased 3M adhesive #76 and #90. Glen Chaplin states Sabre uses (used?) 3M #90 for the headliner work in the factory.
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My question is: I am asking this forum if you know where I can purchase the headliner material: NAUGAHYDE VINYL, BRIGHT WHITE SF-79 (thanks to Glen Chaplin at Sabre for the info). The NAUGAHYDE is glued to an 1/8 layer of white dense foam which again is glued to the plywood. I have purchased the foam, but all the NAUGAHYDE vendors I have checked to date only sell wholesale.
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Also, as a backup, I am contemplating contacting an upholstery shop in the area (NY metro/NJ) to get some help with this project.?
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Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Jorgen Naess
2001 Sabre 452, VENTO
Winter: Mamaroneck, NY
Summer: Greenport, NY


Re: Checking Gearbox Oil on Hurth 50

 

As I said earlier, there is an access panel from the port side quarter berth of the S28 and the tranny is reachable from there. And yes my shaft exits in the starboard side.?
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Peter Metcalf
Pfmet@...
Sabre 28 #312 Serenade
Noank, CT


Re: Enlarging the mastgate

 

If you have unstepped your mast, another option would be to install the Tides track from the top down after removing the mast head. That avoids the need to enlarge the gate. That was one of my winter projects, and the mast should be stepped today.
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Joe Cleary

Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston