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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Ditching something that gives you the best chance of survival in an emergency for empty virtue signalling is beyond scary. REGARDLESS of one's politics.?
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Does the torque limiter serve the same purpose as a damper plate?
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 12:29?AM, newjerseybill via groups.io <newjerseybill@...> wrote:
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Starlink in so much better than anything on the market is silly, it works better than my 5G at home?
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 9:54?PM Tony Billera via <tony.billera= [email protected]> wrote: I agree.?
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 4:41?PM, Michael Grishman via <mgrishman=[email protected]> wrote:
?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot.?? We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Jerry, Michael is looking for alternatives.?
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Reading this thread i realize i have failed to ever test an emergency tiller. It is now high on my list of safety drills once we are back in the water. Once in flat water and once in heavier seas.
That said, i assume that using the emergency tiller would be even more challenging if the steering quadrant is intact and any tiller movements would need to rotate the rudder as well as the steering linkage and wheel. So a test would be physically harder but situationally easier (i.e. not an actual emergency). Has anyone done something like this? any additional advice beyond what has already been shared?
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Wayne
Namaste 386
Chicago, IL
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Hi Scott,
I just did the same project and used the space below the nav seat and the space in front of the nav table. ?My victron inverter and Zeus plus other components went in the nav seat and up to 3 330 amp batteries in the space that held 2 arm again in front of the nav station bulkhead. ?I¡¯ll take pictures next time I go to the boat. ?Look forward to the extra power and storage space.
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Why would any of us want to compromise our safety and offshore communications over politics? When I'm crossing the North Atlantic East to West this summer, am I supposed to risk my crew and my boat and my life because of politics? Yikes.
Jerry Brecher SIRACH Sabre 38 MK I Home port Gloucester, MA Currently located in Coruna, Spain?
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Same here. Just bought it for next summer¡¯s cruise to Newfoundland. I thought Amazon was planning on a competing network of LEO satellites. When there¡¯s a reasonable alternative I will be ditching it along with any other Muskie products.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 11:35?PM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:
?There aren¡¯t a lot of alternatives for satellite broadband ¡ª yet. Today, AT&T and Verizon announced that their respective partnership with AST Spacemobile hit a milestone with first direct-to-mobile calls. It is going to be a while until AST has enough satellites on orbit to allow them to offer commercial service. It also isn¡¯t clear what kinds of speeds can be achieved with satellite-to-5G mobile phone broadband. I don¡¯t know off the top of my head what else AST is planning to offer (and I¡¯m too lazy to look into it right now). Amazon is putting up their own Kuiper constellation, and there are a few others that may or may not launch.
Short version: not in time for this summer¡¯s cruise. If you want just text and voice with no Internet, you can spend on Iridium or GlobalStar.
My advice: don¡¯t bite off your nose to spite your face. Karma will get Musk without your help.
I have to look into low earth orbit satellites anyway, and will get back to you if I come up with anything else.
On Feb 24, 2025, at 19:41, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot. We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
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The strange coupling on the back of your transmission is a "Torque limiter".
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Bill Lloyd
River Plaza, NJ
1974 Chris Craft 22'
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 08:57 AM, David Lochner wrote:
The cone is a Yanmar part number:?Cone Kanzaki KM4A KM3A-1- KM2P-1 Yanmar 177073-03170
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Just an FYI, the above info is an internal clutch cone, not a component of the coupling.
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Bill Lloyd
River Plaza, NJ
1974 Chris Craft 22'
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
There aren¡¯t a lot of alternatives for satellite broadband ¡ª yet. Today, AT&T and Verizon announced that their respective partnership with AST Spacemobile hit a milestone with first direct-to-mobile calls. It is going to be a while until AST has enough satellites on orbit to allow them to offer commercial service. It also isn¡¯t clear what kinds of speeds can be achieved with satellite-to-5G mobile phone broadband. I don¡¯t know off the top of my head what else AST is planning to offer (and I¡¯m too lazy to look into it right now). Amazon is putting up their own Kuiper constellation, and there are a few others that may or may not launch.
Short version: not in time for this summer¡¯s cruise. If you want just text and voice with no Internet, you can spend on Iridium or GlobalStar.
My advice: don¡¯t bite off your nose to spite your face. Karma will get Musk without your help.
I have to look into low earth orbit satellites anyway, and will get back to you if I come up with anything else.
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 19:41, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot. We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I agree.?
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 4:41?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot.?? We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Comparing insurance premiums without providing information about the amount of coverage and the kind of coverage is pretty meaningless. Liability only coverage is much less expensive than Agreed Hull Value. We¡¯d need to know the deductible, oil spill coverage, liability levels, etc to render an informed opinion about the insurance premium.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 8:26?PM, Philip Horn via groups.io <philhorn48@...> wrote:
I've been with Progressive for about 10 years, my 34 is 46 years old.
Premiums are very reasonable, never had to provide a survey.
Been boating for 60+ years with no claims.
For me the insurance is about liability coverage, the hull coverage
is a bonus.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
I've been with Progressive for about 10 years, my 34 is 46 years old.
Premiums are very reasonable, never had to provide a survey.
Been boating for 60+ years with no claims.
For me the insurance is about liability coverage, the hull coverage
is a bonus.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot.?? We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
The tee handle tiller is better than nothing but not great. A few years ago I posted ¡°362Emergency Tiller¡± in photos.? Made with aluminum tube and an ash handle & stows nicely. Works ok. Tested in benign conditions but gives a lot more leverage than the tee handle. And E tiller would be a challenge in heavy weather.? The design posted by Stafford looks much better than the tee handle tiller?
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 9:30?AM, damian.greene via groups.io <damian.greene@...> wrote:
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Hi Stafford,
That design looks much more usable, and is quite different. See attached - what I was given as a drawing is a simple T-handle
Yes, please let me know what you work out. My direct email: damian.greene@...
I will have to wait until I get back to my boat, to confirm that this improved design will work for me. At a minimum, this gives me a much better design to work with. This is more in line with what I was thinking of.
Regards,
Damian
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 02:02:47 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via groups.io <scsoule@...> wrote:
Hi Damian. Here is the design that Glen sent me. Not sure if it is the same design that you have. I'm getting a quote right now from Matt StCyr at Cumberland Ironworks near Freeport, ME. I'll let you know what I hear.
Stafford On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 8:50?AM damian.greene via <damian.greene= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Stafford,
Congratulations on the new boat.
I'm missing the emergency tiller too, and got the drawings from Sabre - basically a T-handle with a lug on the end to engage with the rudder shaft. I was thinking of getting one made up, but then got to thinking that the emergency tiller would likely be next to useless in a real-world situation. I am thinking that I would at a minimum need a "cheater bar" to give added leverage.
Two years ago I got a quote of $430 from
Nautilus Marine Fabrication & Propeller, Inc 13 Industrial Way Trenton, Maine 04605 207.667.1119
This was in stainless, not primed and painted galvanized pipe, so likely added quite a bit to the cost. This was just because Nautilus only work in stainless.
So questions:
1) Any feedback from others on the utility of that emergency tiller, or how to configure it.
2) Does anyone have a better design?
Assuming a positive response to these questions, and you get the right pricing, I may be interesting in joining in on the order.
Regards,
Damian Greene Sabre 38-1 Freefall Bass Harbor, ME
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 01:19:55 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via <scsoule= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi all. I have purchased a 2005 Sabre 386. The emergency tiller has somehow gone missing and the company who built these for Sabre is no longer in existence. Glen gave me the specs to have a new one built by a machine shop but, before I do, I thought that I'd check to see if anyone has an old one hanging around.
Thanks. Stafford Soule? Winter's Dream
<Sabre emergency tiller T handle.pdf>
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Bob -?
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I use State Farm for my 1985 S32, no survey required, and I only pay $348 per year.
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Yes, the only limitation is your will be restricted to 80% of the purchase price as agreed value with Progressive. **
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law By appt. only: 4860 Cox Road, Suite 200 Glen Allen, VA 23060 804-740-6464 jameswilson29@...
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You might try Progressive. When GEICO cancelled my policy I was able to sign up with Progressive online without a survey for my 1986 S32
Dave Castor? Port Angeles, Wash I just received notice from Geico BoatUS that because of the age of my boat, I must obtain a survey in order to renew my policy.
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Can anyone recommend a good surveyor for this purpose in my area?? Boat is on the hard.? Any other input/insights are appreciated.
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Bob Lucke
1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Hi all: Purchased a Sabre34 last Spring-she's an old girl--1982. Both Geico and Progressive would not insure over 40 years old.
I found United Marine Underwriters and they were wonderful. Cost very competitive to what the other two would have charged if they, in fact, would insure my boat.
I had an unfortunate lightning strike, knocking out all electronics, and they responded quickly and effectively. They did not quibble over any of the bills that were presented. The check came faster than I would have thought with no equivocation.The policy was only three months old at the time of incident. I would highly recommend it.
Claudia Lucey AT LAST Rear Commodore Atlantic Highoands YC Atlantic HIghlands, NJ
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
You might try Progressive. When GEICO cancelled my policy I was able to sign up with Progressive online without a survey for my 1986 S32
Dave Castor? Port Angeles, Wash
I just received notice from Geico BoatUS that because of the age of my boat, I must obtain a survey in order to renew my policy.
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Can anyone recommend a good surveyor for this purpose in my area?? Boat is on the hard.? Any other input/insights are appreciated.
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Bob Lucke
1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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Keith Bucklen
Wrtiverton
Jerry Brecher
Len Bertaux
Philip Horn
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
Tim Dokken
James Wilson