Chris you can by pass the Erie Canal and go to lake Champlain and then to the st Lawrence river. It is longer but no delays and you get to see Montreal. Sabre 402#37. Lake Ontario? Mike Newbury?
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On May 15, 2025, at 9:12?PM, greglocke03 via groups.io <greglocke03@...> wrote:
? Unless you have proof? Ie. Squirrel scat, or a visual, my guess would be mice or a rat which are near impossible to keep out.?
I would look for the nest made from your sail.
Squirrel nests tend to be high in a tree.?
Greg
S34-2 #338
Duet
New London. Ct
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Re: 426 belt replacement - raw water hose makes it difficult
Hi Neil, Unfortunately I don’t have any pics of our motor as she looks today, just partial pics. ?I am enclosing a 2003 426 stock Yanmar install. ?This is not our boat but it was how our boat looked when we bought it. I believe the only difference is the overflow tank is on port on Kingfisher. ?We do not have any interference on our engine when changing the belt and we have a serpentine belt. ?Can you post a picture?
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On May 15, 2025, at 9:17?AM, Neil Russell via groups.io <neil.e.russell@...> wrote:
Has anyone figured out a good way to move the raw water hose and re attach it when replacing alternator belts on a 426?
The hose literally prevents the alternator (we have 105A Balmar) from moving more than 1/4” toward the centerline.
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neil dot e dot russell at gmail.com
“Whisper II”
S426-034
Salem MA
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: How many are still around?
I just got instructions for changing signature - Subscription/settings/signature.?
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Piotr Serwik
S28 Mk I (standing rigging from Mk II).
1972, Hull #13
"Deep Blew"
Rock Hall, MD
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Re: How many are still around?
This is a great list. I've added Sheba VII...a 425 hull #88.? Now i have to figùre out how to add my signature...
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Re: AGM Battery recommendation
I bought our Delphia 40 three years ago and haven’t worried. As some of you know I use a stock Yanmar alternator and a Victron DC/DC that maxes at 30amps. ?I’ve run the 200ah (2x 100ah) down to 30ah total a couple times w no impact. ?And still getting the reqd voltage at that level.?
My two 125w panels and two Victron controllers just arrived yesterday from CMP.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On May 15, 2025, at 2:03?PM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
? With AGM, everything, EVERYTHING, depends on how they were treated.? When we bought our current boat, it had a 4 AGM house bank that didn't make it through 4 years of use.? The AGM starting battery, on the other hand, is still going strong after 16 years.AGMs were invented, designed, and intended for use as aircraft starting batteries, which are more or less guaranteed to be fully recharged before the start of the takeoff roll.? Used on a cruising boat that lives on mooring and without solar, AGMs are a disaster.? Topped off daily from solar, no problem.? Topped off daily while plugged in at a marina, fine unless you take extended cruises.But frankly, word of mouth without knowing the details of installation and usage isn't going to tell you anything worth knowing.[The other question is whether to convert to LFP now or wait until the new batteries crap out.? I'm told that among the best things about LFP is that you don't have to worry about them.? But I haven't reached that point...]On 5/15/2025 4:13 PM, David & Catherine via groups.io wrote:We have just replaced our 4 D batteries in our "not.a Sabre" with two Full River 4 D AGM batteries . ??They came well recommended and another boat in the marina has had them so far for eight years with no problem.
Cheers,
David
Ex "Solitaire 1" Sabre 402
now " Chinook 1 " Catalina 42 Mk 2
Kingston Ont.
-- Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC
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I bought replacement O-rings for the cleanout ports on the water and holding tanks from Grainger, as well as deck fills. The minimum quantities were high (10 and 25) for the different sizes, but they were not expensive.
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Joe Cleary
Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston
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Re: S28 MK I ignition lock/switch wiring
Assuming the current switch still works, you could? - disconnect the battery
- note which wire(s) go to each terminal on the switch
- Disconnect all the wires
- Use an ohmmeter to see which terminals?are connected together in each switch position.
- Using the ohmmeter and the information that came with the new switch, figure out the corresponding terminals on the new switch.
- Reconnect the wires to the corresponding terminals on the new switch.
I would guess that the red wire with the boot on it goes?to the battery. The terminal with multiple wires is probably the "Ignition/Run" position, which would be connected to the battery in all the other positions. One of the other terminals should be the "Start" position, it's not clear what the 4th terminal is for.
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On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 4:41?PM Michael Sterling via <sterling1mster= [email protected]> wrote: Corey, I don't think it's quite as random as you suggest ?I have the original factory wiring diagram from 1988 & it's been quote accurate? ?Certainly some changes have been made since the boat left the factory but even those have been easy to follow. To the OP try to get your hands on an original diagram. Mike s/v Ladylike? 88 38' MK II
Michael Sterling
Ph. 252-646-9610
Unfortunately in those days the wiring changed by engine, model, day of the week, hull number, and what the person doing the install had for breakfast. Then 40 years provided opportunities for the wiring to be changed.?
The safest bet to avoid letting the smoke out is to ohm out each wire.?
Corey Light S28-1 Essex, CT ? Hi, All.?
I'm afraid I may be forced to replace my ignition switch on S28 Mk I. Does anyone have any idea where all these cables go to? I'm trying to replace it with a Colee- Hersee 3-position ignition switch and I have no clue which wires go where. I'll try attaching the photo of current switch.?
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Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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With AGM, everything, EVERYTHING, depends on how they were treated.? When we bought our current boat, it had a 4 AGM house bank that didn't make it through 4 years of use.? The AGM starting battery, on the other hand, is still going strong after 16 years.
AGMs were invented, designed, and intended for use as aircraft starting batteries, which are more or less guaranteed to be fully recharged before the start of the takeoff roll.? Used on a cruising boat that lives on mooring and without solar, AGMs are a disaster.? Topped off daily from solar, no problem.? Topped off daily while plugged in at a marina, fine unless you take extended cruises.
But frankly, word of mouth without knowing the details of installation and usage isn't going to tell you anything worth knowing.
[The other question is whether to convert to LFP now or wait until the new batteries crap out.? I'm told that among the best things about LFP is that you don't have to worry about them.? But I haven't reached that point...]
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On 5/15/2025 4:13 PM, David & Catherine via groups.io wrote: We have just replaced our 4 D batteries in our "not.a Sabre" with two Full River 4 D AGM batteries . They came well recommended and another boat in the marina has had them so far for eight years with no problem.
Cheers,
David
Ex "Solitaire 1" Sabre 402
now " Chinook 1 " Catalina 42 Mk 2
Kingston Ont.
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Re: S28 MK I ignition lock/switch wiring
Corey, I don't think it's quite as random as you suggest ?I have the original factory wiring diagram from 1988 & it's been quote accurate? ?Certainly some changes have been made since the boat left the factory but even those have been easy to follow. To the OP try to get your hands on an original diagram. Mike s/v Ladylike? 88 38' MK II
Michael Sterling
Ph. 252-646-9610
Unfortunately in those days the wiring changed by engine, model, day of the week, hull number, and what the person doing the install had for breakfast. Then 40 years provided opportunities for the wiring to be changed.?
The safest bet to avoid letting the smoke out is to ohm out each wire.?
Corey Light S28-1 Essex, CT ? Hi, All.?
I'm afraid I may be forced to replace my ignition switch on S28 Mk I. Does anyone have any idea where all these cables go to? I'm trying to replace it with a Colee- Hersee 3-position ignition switch and I have no clue which wires go where. I'll try attaching the photo of current switch.?
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Re: AGM Battery recommendation
I put four Group 31 AGMs from Blain’s Farm & Fleet into my S34-2.? They were made by a well-known manufacturer, but at half the price.? So far so good.? ? And yes, sports fans, three Group 31s will fit into the quarterberth battery compartment of an S34-2.? The fourth one is in the rear locker on its side.? Rick McLaren S34-2 POLARIS Chicago -- Rick McLaren
34-2 Polaris?
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Re: AGM Battery recommendation
We have just replaced our 4 D batteries in our "not.a Sabre" with two Full River 4 D AGM batteries . They came well recommended and another boat in the marina has had them so far for eight years with no problem.
Cheers,
David
Ex "Solitaire 1" Sabre 402
now " Chinook 1 " Catalina 42 Mk 2
Kingston Ont.
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Unless you have proof? Ie. Squirrel scat, or a visual, my guess would be mice or a rat which are near impossible to keep out.?
I would look for the nest made from your sail.
Squirrel nests tend to be high in a tree.?
Greg
S34-2 #338
Duet
New London. Ct
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Re: Fairclough cover for S28 free
I would love to get it, but it's 7 hrs and 356 miles each way for me....?
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Piotr Serwik
S28 Mk I (standing rigging from Mk II).
1972, Hull #13
"Deep Blew"
Rock Hall, MD
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Re: Fairclough cover for S28 free
The Fairclough cover is still available; Keith could't get it to stretch to his S34. Elisa
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Chris,
If you were planning to use the Erie Canal to bring the boat home, you have some time. A section of the canal between Waterford and Three Rivers will be closed for 4-5 weeks due to damage from recent high rainfalls. I would not be surprised ?if it the repairs took longer. Go to Canals.NY.gov for more information.
As for the mice holes, I’m afraid there isn’t much you can do, except pay what it costs to repair them. Filing a claim won’t help you much. The repairs may not meet your deductible.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On May 15, 2025, at 2:20?PM, Chris Collins via groups.io <Collinschris862@...> wrote:
Wondering if anyone can give me a little advice.?
I am Canadian and bought a 1988 Sabre 36 in New Jersey last Nov.
Boat surveyed above average.
Broker has a marina and stored the boat and equipment over Winter for me.?
Just commissioned the boat and found a couple of issues, the Dingy and my Asymmetrical were damaged by a squirrel in what I assumed was winter storage. The never used Dingy has a 4 inch hole in the tube. I am told the estimate to fix is 800$ and will take until mid June. I hope to have it sailed close to home by then. Bought a RIB at Defender yesterday.?
Also, the Asymmetrical has multiple chew holes in the sock with some small ones in sail. Otherwise in like new condition.?
The rest of the boat is sound and I’m happy with my purchase.?
This issue is not my fault of course and I’m not pointing fingers. Just trying to see if there are any options.?
The broker just sent me the address of the repair person.?
I have Geico insurance.?
I thought similar experiences may exist among the group and was looking for guidance.?
Thank you.?
Chris
1988 S36 #80 Over Time
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my less than humble opinion is the marina is responsible for supply
safe storage
On 5/15/2025 2:20 PM, Chris Collins via
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Wondering
if anyone can give me a little advice.?
I
am Canadian and bought a 1988 Sabre 36 in New Jersey last Nov.
Boat
surveyed above average.
Broker has a marina and stored the boat and equipment over
Winter for me.?
Just
commissioned the boat and found a couple of issues, the Dingy
and my Asymmetrical were damaged by a squirrel in what I
assumed was winter storage. The never used Dingy has a 4 inch
hole in the tube. I am told the estimate to fix is 800$ and
will take until mid June. I hope to have it sailed close to
home by then. Bought a RIB at Defender yesterday.?
Also,
the Asymmetrical has multiple chew holes in the sock with some
small ones in sail. Otherwise in like new condition.?
The
rest of the boat is sound and I’m happy with my purchase.?
This
issue is not my fault of course and I’m not pointing fingers.
Just trying to see if there are any options.?
The broker just sent me the address of the repair person.?
I have Geico insurance.?
I
thought similar experiences may exist among the group and was
looking for guidance.?
Thank
you.?
Chris
1988
S36 #80 Over Time
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SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: S28 MK I ignition lock/switch wiring
Unfortunately in those days the wiring changed by engine, model, day of the week, hull number, and what the person doing the install had for breakfast. Then 40 years provided opportunities for the wiring to be changed.?
The safest bet to avoid letting the smoke out is to ohm out each wire.?
Corey Light S28-1 Essex, CT
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On May 15, 2025, at 12:18?PM, PIOTR SERWIK via groups.io <cuivier1@...> wrote:
? Hi, All.?
I'm afraid I may be forced to replace my ignition switch on S28 Mk I. Does anyone have any idea where all these cables go to? I'm trying to replace it with a Colee- Hersee 3-position ignition switch and I have no clue which wires go where. I'll try attaching the photo of current switch.?
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Wondering if anyone can give me a little advice.?
I am Canadian and bought a 1988 Sabre 36 in New Jersey last Nov.
Boat surveyed above average.
Broker has a marina and stored the boat and equipment over Winter for me.?
Just commissioned the boat and found a couple of issues, the Dingy and my Asymmetrical were damaged by a squirrel in what I assumed was winter storage. The never used Dingy has a 4 inch hole in the tube. I am told the estimate to fix is 800$ and will take until mid June. I hope to have it sailed close to home by then. Bought a RIB at Defender yesterday.?
Also, the Asymmetrical has multiple chew holes in the sock with some small ones in sail. Otherwise in like new condition.?
The rest of the boat is sound and I’m happy with my purchase.?
This issue is not my fault of course and I’m not pointing fingers. Just trying to see if there are any options.?
The broker just sent me the address of the repair person.?
I have Geico insurance.?
I thought similar experiences may exist among the group and was looking for guidance.?
Thank you.?
Chris
1988 S36 #80 Over Time
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S28 MK I ignition lock/switch wiring
Hi, All.?
I'm afraid I may be forced to replace my ignition switch on S28 Mk I. Does anyone have any idea where all these cables go to? I'm trying to replace it with a Colee- Hersee 3-position ignition switch and I have no clue which wires go where. I'll try attaching the photo of current switch.?
?
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426 belt replacement - raw water hose makes it difficult
Has anyone figured out a good way to move the raw water hose and re attach it when replacing alternator belts on a 426?
The hose literally prevents the alternator (we have 105A Balmar) from moving more than 1/4” toward the centerline.
—狈别颈濒
neil dot e dot russell at gmail.com
“Whisper II”
S426-034
Salem MA
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April Bilawchuk
Jim Harman
Jim Starkey
Richard McLaren; S34-2 Polaris; Chicago
Elizabeth Rhodes
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
