Sabre 38 Mk2 rod rigging open style turnbuckles
Hi All,
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I just had my insurance survey. Glad to say all went well, except that the surveyor identified what looks like hairline cracks on the inside of one of the ¡°open style¡± cap shroud turnbuckles and a similar line on the inside of one of the lower shroud turnbuckles. My rigger says it is unlikely to be a crack on that style of turnbuckle body, ?but he hasn¡¯t seen it yet. Since I¡¯m going to take the boat to sea, I am willing to change them all out an I am looking at Hayn ?3/8¡±-24 x 5-1/2 ?and 1/2¡±- 20 x 6-1/2¡± bodies, but don¡¯t know if these have the correct threads for the rod rigging ends on a Sabre 38 Mk2. Does anyone know exactly what the normal thread pitch is??
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Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
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Need more details on the configuration of the stainless steel weld-up pls ......? is it to be a full box structure with the bottom contoured to follow? closely the curvature of the bilge? Does it extend fully across the bilge, same as the original plywood step? How will the existing? cast aluminium step be held in place on top of the SS beam? Electrolysis considerations?
I'll be doing this repair next year on my 34/1 and am planning on using white oak. Tx
SV Arrow, S34/1, 1980 Campobello Island, NB.?
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Dave
Great question! I¡¯ll get his opinion on that for next year.
Len Bertaux
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?Len,
Does your tax advisor think it is a tax deductible donation?
Dave
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Jim
Just think of it as a donation to offset a small portion of the 5 trillion tax cuts.
Len Bertaux
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Len,
Does your tax advisor think it is a tax deductible donation?
Dave
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Jim
Just think of it as a donation to offset a small portion of the 5 trillion tax cuts.
Len Bertaux
On Apr 9, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Jim Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?If anyone is contemplating and LFP conversion, I suggest you buy the batteries now! When the existing inventory in the US is gone, the next batteries will be 2x to 3x as much, if they could be found at all.
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Jim
Just think of it as a donation to offset a small portion of the 5 trillion tax cuts.
Len Bertaux
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If anyone is contemplating and LFP conversion, I suggest you buy the batteries now!? When the existing inventory in the US is gone, the next batteries will be 2x to 3x as much, if they could be found at all.
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Rob's reference to composite panels as an alternative to wood or G10 piqued my interest in learning more about Coosa and their products.
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I emailed them about the suitability of their products for mast step rebuilds and received a prompt informative reply.
Their advice was to work with an engineer to determine mast step box requirements and then investigate if using Coosa panels would be a satisfactory solution.
Bottom line, white oak and G10 have significantly higher compressive strength than Coosa Bluewater 32 Series, which is their strongest panel.
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Google-search comparison of compression strength of flat panels:
Atlas Fibre G10.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?65,000 psi? wow!
Coosa Bluewater 32 Series? ? ?1,581 psi (as stated by Coosa)
Marine Plywood? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?~5,000 psi
White Oak? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7,440 psi
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So what do they say Coosa panels are good for ...?
Coosa boards are fantastic for all kinds or marine use- especially decking, transoms, hatch lids, etcetera based on their properties of no rot, no mildew, and being dimensionally stable.
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Full Disclosure: I am simply sharing what I learned today about Coosa Composite panels. I have no affiliation with Coosa nor do I have an experience with their products.
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Cheers!
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Doug Beaudet
Cygnus, S38 #35
Rochester, NY
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Great Doug, thank you. I'm ordering a 20KG Vulcan today!
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Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
No interreferences, and an excellent performing anchor.? It just requires some planning to remove the cross pin.? See the photos below of my setup.? I also have a 22lb Lewmar claw anchor on 5/16 chain in the anchor locket which can be deployed as a lunch hook or 2nd anchor.
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
The Vulcan doesn¡¯t sit as neatly on a roller as some other anchors. ?See pictures in the message below.
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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My last boat was a Pearson 28 that had suffered galvanic corrosion on the bottom of the mast.? The previous owner had the bottom of the mast cut and a metal step installed in its place.? Looked something like a?four-legged step stool with?broadened feet at the bottom. Seemed to work just fine. **
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law By appt. only: 4860 Cox Road, Suite 200 Glen Allen, VA 23060 804-740-6464 jameswilson29@...
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I've been hoping to get the mast step rebuilt this spring, but time is just not on my side, so I've been in talks with my yard to do the work.? They have looked at the issue a few times and recommend rebuilding the step with 3/8th of an inch thick stainless steel welded together and attached to the bilge.? Basically, it would be a custom-built stainless steel box cut to fit and replace where the mast step sits now. ? I've never heard of the mast step being rebuilt this way, and I'm sure there must be a reason for it. Also, should this step be left hollow with stainless steel plates perpendicular to and connecting the long stringers with a large metal plate welded on top?? Or should there be more support, like white oak filling the hallow cavities between the plates directly under the mast step? ? ? ??
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I've been hoping to get the mast step rebuilt this spring, but time is just not on my side, so I've been in talks with my yard to do the work. ?They have looked at the issue a few times and recommend rebuilding the step with 3/8th of an inch thick stainless steel welded together and attached to the bilge. ?Basically, it would be a custom-built stainless steel box cut to fit and replace where the mast step sits now. ? I've never heard of the mast step being rebuilt this way, and I'm sure there must be a reason for it. Also, should this step be left hollow with stainless steel plates perpendicular to and connecting the long stringers with a large metal plate welded on top? ?Or should there be more support, like white oak filling the hallow cavities between the plates directly under the mast step? ? ? ??
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Oh boy, the pain begins¡. Folks, you may want to stock up a little bit on key items to keep the boat operational based on part availability alone.
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Well it seems the Spade distributor is out of stock on the Spade 100, and with the Tariffs he's not sure when if ever he would have them. He mentioned the supplier expects 104% on the next order!?
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Doug Snell,
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I'd consider a Vulcan if it would fit. Does it interfere with anything? Or just an issue keeping it up on the roller?
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Thanks!
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Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- Franz Alvarez S/V Tranquility - S38MKII
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Well it seems the Spade distributor is out of stock on the Spade 100, and with the Tariffs he's not sure when if ever he would have them. He mentioned the supplier expects 104% on the next order!?
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Doug Snell,
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I'd consider a Vulcan if it would fit. Does it interfere with anything? Or just an issue keeping it up on the roller?
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Thanks!
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Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
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Re: Rear Chainplate Pitted 362
Hello,
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Update on this thread. I talked to Glen at Sabre and he said they originally used Nautilus Marine Fabrication in Maine to make all the chainplates.
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Contacted Nautilus and they said they can make new chainplates so I mailed them up yesterday.? They lost all the mechanical drawings they had on file of the chainplates in a big fire unfortunately.
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Will let you know price and how it goes once completed.
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Jim Vetterlein
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
I have a 20kg Ronca Vulcan on our S362 with 50ft of 3/8 chain and 200ft of triple braid.? I love the? anchor holding and (almost) never worry about it, but the storage on the bow roller is not good.? I ended up drilling a 5/16 hole through the shank and cross pin the anchor when it is not in use.? A bit of a pain, but I'm already committed to this hardware.
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
mixed or mixed up?
On 4/7/2025 7:10 PM, Alan via groups.io
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I¡¯m a big fan of spade.? I¡¯ve had a 33lb (80?)
model on my 34 for years. ? Held the boat in 40 knot winds. ?40
ft 5/16 chain and 300 ft line.?
Had some corrosion problems after about 7 years
and the importer helped out with a replacement.? The newer model
had some kind of a sealant over the lead ballast which may help
in keeping the salt water from getting between the lead and
galvanized steel which is where the corrosion occurred.
I used it on my 402 last year and had no problems
at all but never saw more than 30 knots of wind. ? I planned to
replace it for the 402 with model 100 (44 lbs) and 50¡¯ 3/8¡±
chain with 300 ¡® nylon rode. I¡¯ve been trying to get one for
almost a year.? Seems they are having problems in Tunisia and no
100¡¯s have been available. ?
Youtube (sv panope?) has shown the rocna Vulcan as
superior to spade.? I bought a 20kg/44 lb and plan to install it
on the 402 in a few weeks. ?
I¡¯m not a fan of any anchor with roll bars as I¡¯ve
seen problems with them not burying in some bottom types. A
ballasted tip seems to eliminate the necessity of a roll bar.?
I¡¯ll let the group know what the Vulcan results
are this summer.?
By the way, ?someone told me never to discuss sex,
politics, religion or anchors in mixed company. ?
I hope no one was offended by my comments.?
Alan.?
S 402/34?
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Alan
Pressman
Phone;
941-350-1559
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at
2:34?PM Randy Drummond via <SVReleaseMe= [email protected]>
wrote:
Here are a couple of more angles for your convienance
 
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:19?PM, Randy Drummond via
<SVReleaseMe= [email protected]>
wrote:
Probably so. I don¡¯t remember where this one
came from but I know I didn¡¯t have to look far.
I experimented with a couple to see which did
the best job and this one won.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:16?PM, David
Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert,
ME via
<dhs.short= [email protected]>
wrote:
looks like one of the many rollers
available from trailer parts suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux
via
wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same
thing going on with our Rocna and
the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf
roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to
keep from hitting the
furler. It also was a help
in keeping the anchor in
place when heading into
waves.?
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Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2
206
Miami
The issue isn¡¯t
a swivel which
we don¡¯t have.
The Spade has a
high arch in the
shank, if it
clears the
roller too
quickly the arch
comes back and
up and rubs
agains the
bottom of the
furler. If ?I
retrieve it
slowly, the
shackle end of
the shank stays
low and the arch
clears the
furler. I could
probably
engineer
something than
would force the
shank down
sooner, just
haven¡¯t gotten
around to it.
Over time I¡¯ve
gotten better at
slower
retrievals.
There have been
other more
pressing
problems to deal
with.
Dave
Second
Star
S362 #113
Fair
Haven, NY/Lake
Ontario
Dave
do you use a
swivel?? We do
with a section
of chain
between the
swivel and the
anchor shank.?
This allows
the swivel to
work and not
get
side-loaded
(the cause of
most swivel
failures). We
too hit the
bottom of the
drum and am
not sure how
to remedy it
other than
going very
slowly when
the anchor is
close to being
all the way
up. The other
complication
is this is
happening
right after
the anchor
self-rights,
so there is a
lot going on
at once.? Full
disclosure, we
have a Rocna
25 (55lbs) not
a Spade.
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Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
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?We have a 44
lbs Spade on
140¡¯ chain and
150 feet of 8
plait. Have
never had a
problem
setting the
anchor, except
in conditions
that no anchor
would set,
shallow sand
over
limestone,
sunken
canvass,
sunken plastic
(2x), and deep
thick weeds (a
borrowed
fisherman¡¯s
anchor
worked). The
only drawback
is clearance
under the
roller furler,
when launching
and retrieving
it sometimes
hits the
bottom of the
drum.
Dave
Second
Star
S362 #113
Fair
Haven, NY/Lake
Ontario
This
season I¡¯m
increasing my
chain to 75¡¯
from 40¡¯ plus
250¡¯ of 5/8¡±
nylon 8 plait
for my 38 mkii
in preparation
for this
summer¡¯s trip
to
Newfoundland
with its deep
anchorages and
frequent windy
conditions. I
use a 15kg
Rocna anchor
which in its
current
configuration
has never
failed to set
or drag in
conditions
with gusts
exceeding 35
kts.?
Also will have
a snubber for
shallow
anchorages
with small
tidal swings.
All chain
seems
unnecessary to
me unless
you¡¯re in
coral infested
waters. All
that expensive
weight in the
bow for what
purpose?
Len
Bertaux
Walkabout
S38mkii
Prides
Crossing MA
On Apr 7,
2025, at
11:52?AM,
David Short,
SV One Timer,
1997 362, Mt
Desert, ME via
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have
the 100.? No
problems
handling to
date, 3 or 4
seasons
including a
Newfoundland
trip.? I have
a Muir VR1000
windlass that
is a good
windlass but
not
particularly
heavy duty.?
My previous
was a Bruce
#33.
Furler is a
Furlex 204S
new Spring
2023.? Photo
below is
previous
Furlex Type B
MkII.
Purchased boat
in 2015.? Came
with 100' 5/16
chain &
200' nylon 3
strand.? Nice
setup.? Rarely
put out less
than 100' in
Maine or
Canada, so
basically a
built in
snubber.? I
was gratified
to read Andy
Schell of 59
North endorse
this exact
setup in,
probably, Sail
mag sometime
the last
couple years.
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On
4/7/2025 10:14
AM, ebennett
via
wrote:
Hi Dave
Short, and or
anyone with a
362 and a
Spade Anchor..
?
Did you
get the 100
(44 lbs.) or
the 80 (33
lbs.)?
?
I think
you may have
said the 100,
and was
wondering if
you have
issues with
handling it?
My previous
anchor was a
Delta 33lb...
?
Also do
you have all
chain? I'm
considering
150' of 5/16"
with another
100' of rode.
Like you we
cruise Maine
for most of
the
summer...here
in Long Island
Sound depths
are shallow so
don't need
much in the
way of scope.
?
In the
past we had
40' of chain
and another
200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre
362 #132
Sachems' Head
Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer
1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
I¡¯m a big fan of spade.? I¡¯ve had a 33lb (80?) model on my 34 for years. ? Held the boat in 40 knot winds. ?40 ft 5/16 chain and 300 ft line.?
Had some corrosion problems after about 7 years and the importer helped out with a replacement.? The newer model had some kind of a sealant over the lead ballast which may help in keeping the salt water from getting between the lead and galvanized steel which is where the corrosion occurred.
I used it on my 402 last year and had no problems at all but never saw more than 30 knots of wind. ? I planned to replace it for the 402 with model 100 (44 lbs) and 50¡¯ 3/8¡± chain with 300 ¡® nylon rode. I¡¯ve been trying to get one for almost a year.? Seems they are having problems in Tunisia and no 100¡¯s have been available. ?
Youtube (sv panope?) has shown the rocna Vulcan as superior to spade.? I bought a 20kg/44 lb and plan to install it on the 402 in a few weeks. ?
I¡¯m not a fan of any anchor with roll bars as I¡¯ve seen problems with them not burying in some bottom types. A ballasted tip seems to eliminate the necessity of a roll bar.?
I¡¯ll let the group know what the Vulcan results are this summer.?
By the way, ?someone told me never to discuss sex, politics, religion or anchors in mixed company. ?
I hope no one was offended by my comments.?
Alan.?
S 402/34? ---Alan Pressman Phone; 941-350-1559
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 2:34?PM Randy Drummond via <SVReleaseMe= [email protected]> wrote:
Here are a couple of more angles for your convienance
 
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:19?PM, Randy Drummond via <SVReleaseMe= [email protected]> wrote:
Probably so. I don¡¯t remember where this one came from but I know I didn¡¯t have to look far. I experimented with a couple to see which did the best job and this one won.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:16?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via <dhs.short= [email protected]> wrote:
looks like one of the many rollers available from trailer parts suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux via wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn¡¯t a swivel which we don¡¯t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven¡¯t gotten around to it. Over time I¡¯ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
Dave
do you use a swivel?? We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank.? This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once.? Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
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?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140¡¯ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman¡¯s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
This
season I¡¯m increasing my chain to 75¡¯ from 40¡¯ plus 250¡¯ of 5/8¡± nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer¡¯s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you¡¯re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Not sure if you mean my repair Aaron but that is 1/4¡± teak and Holly ply. I added a stencil hand painted with the compass rose. Then sealed with epoxy and Varnish.?
--
Stephanie
Moderator
Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Here are a couple of more angles for your convienance
 
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:19?PM, Randy Drummond via groups.io <SVReleaseMe@...> wrote:
Probably so. I don¡¯t remember where this one came from but I know I didn¡¯t have to look far. I experimented with a couple to see which did the best job and this one won.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:16?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
looks like one of the many rollers available from trailer parts suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn¡¯t a swivel which we don¡¯t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven¡¯t gotten around to it. Over time I¡¯ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io
<allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
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?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140¡¯ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman¡¯s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io
<lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I¡¯m increasing my chain to 75¡¯ from 40¡¯ plus 250¡¯ of 5/8¡± nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer¡¯s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you¡¯re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io
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I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
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On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
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Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
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I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
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Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
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In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
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Thanks..
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Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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