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I suspect Brother Karnes misremembered (since he is even older than I, that should not surprise); the only sandhouse kit done by a group of which I am aware was the [original] Norfolk Southern prototype by the Potomac Valley group.? I could be wrong, of course--as
noted at my age I have a lot of memories to keep track of.??
Ed Loizeaux offered a well-assembled one a few months ago, and I waited too long to grab another well-assembled kit at the 2023 NASG—someone else beat me to it; I did pick up a kit (perhaps at the Boxboro NASG), but it is not a shake-the-box.
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Dick,
Ernie worked in a brake shop.? I had thoughts of that might be the reason he got cancer---those asbestos brake shoe dust can be a problem.? I was shooting Jess Bennett's layout when I thought about seeing Ernie.? However Jess indicated that he was so sick
he was pretty much in-active. I didn't know if he would appreciate my visit. or be an unwelcome element!
Bob Werre
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Brother Werre is correct.? Ernie Horr, who owned the stockyard facility, lived in Spokane.? He was a friend of mine; my wife Ilze and I visited him and his wivfe in 1987 or thereabouts.? As I recall, Mrs. Horr,?a hairdresser,
had fun with her surname.? Oddly, I do not remember what Ernie did for a living...
Ernie was a hirailer.? All track was code 172, but he used John Bortz's converted Kadee HO couplers.? The name of his railroad was The Tinplate Road. He was a member of the Spokane Valley S Gauge Railroaders.? The group actually
developed and marketed a sandhouse structure kit that's seen on a lot of S layouts.
Ernie named nearly all of his industries after friends of his -- including me.? I emulated his practice on my layout, where you would have found Lee M. Johnson Medical Supplies, D. R. Thompson Icing facility, Jaxon Arms apartments,
R. Nulton Auto Rebuild, Gilbert M. Hulin Balls and Bats, Loizeaux's Liquors, L & M Sokol Palliatives, etc.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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I find no listing of the Potomac Valley name on the NASG.org site, therefore not photo of this model.
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Can anyone share an image of the kit or completed model?
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If it is, indeed, a replica of an original NS prototype... I need at least one of them, as the original NS is among my modeling interests.
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John D
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On 12/14/2024 8:56 AM EST JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
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I suspect Brother Karnes misremembered (since he is even older than I, that should not surprise); the only sandhouse kit done by a group of which I am aware was the [original] Norfolk Southern prototype by the Potomac Valley group.? I could be wrong, of course--as noted at my age I have a lot of memories to keep track of.??
Ed Loizeaux offered a well-assembled one a few months ago, and I waited too long to grab another well-assembled kit at the 2023 NASG—someone else beat me to it; I did pick up a kit (perhaps at the Boxboro NASG), but it is not a shake-the-box.
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Dick,
Ernie worked in a brake shop.? I had thoughts of that might be the reason he got cancer---those asbestos brake shoe dust can be a problem.? I was shooting Jess Bennett's layout when I thought about seeing Ernie.? However Jess indicated that he was so sick he was pretty much in-active. I didn't know if he would appreciate my visit. or be an unwelcome element!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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Brother Werre is correct.? Ernie Horr, who owned the stockyard facility, lived in Spokane.? He was a friend of mine; my wife Ilze and I visited him and his wivfe in 1987 or thereabouts.? As I recall, Mrs. Horr,?a hairdresser, had fun with her surname.? Oddly, I do not remember what Ernie did for a living...
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Ernie was a hirailer.? All track was code 172, but he used John Bortz's converted Kadee HO couplers.? The name of his railroad was The Tinplate Road. He was a member of the Spokane Valley S Gauge Railroaders.? The group actually developed and marketed a sandhouse structure kit that's seen on a lot of S layouts.
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Ernie named nearly all of his industries after friends of his -- including me.? I emulated his practice on my layout, where you would have found Lee M. Johnson Medical Supplies, D. R. Thompson Icing facility, Jaxon Arms apartments, R. Nulton Auto Rebuild, Gilbert M. Hulin Balls and Bats, Loizeaux's Liquors, L & M Sokol Palliatives, etc.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."? I didn't find it on our website. Tommy
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John D, and others. If you search this site for Sand House and find the listing for the LVM kit, keep scrolling?down. I saw PVs listing? there, but I couldn't?find PV by searching "Manufacturers". Tommy
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 08:02 AM, John Degnan wrote:
Can anyone share an image of the kit or completed model?
John....Roger Haag purchased mine.? It is probably in transit as you read this.? Ed L.
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John, The website says that the LVM kit is based on a B&O prototype, but it is clearly?a copy of the Potomac Valley one, so I think you could?still get one from . (K&P's website says it's a B&O prototype, so some research may be necessary.) Jamie Bothwell
On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:18?AM Tom Lennon via <milepost169= [email protected]> wrote: John D, and others. If you search this site for Sand House and find the listing for the LVM kit, keep scrolling?down. I saw PVs listing? there, but I couldn't?find PV by searching "Manufacturers". Tommy
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Of course Jace is correct. ?My bad. ?The Potomac Valley group did the sand house kit. ?Maybe someone else can prod my memory as to what product the Spokane guys offered…? -- Dick Karnes, MMR
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Inland Empire S Gaugers has been dead a long time.? As always, Tom Dempsey, Spokane WA
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 08:04:54 AM PST, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."? I didn't find it on our website. Tommy
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And surely Peter Van Vliet would welcome a photo for the NASG website
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 08:02 AM, John Degnan wrote:
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John....Roger Haag purchased mine.? It is probably in transit as you read this.? Ed L.
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The NASG site already has photos of the Lehigh Valley Models sandhouse kit that I built: ?
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Awesome.? Thanks.
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On 12/14/2024 12:35 PM EST Jamie Bothwell via groups.io <jamie.bothwell610@...> wrote:
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John,
The website says that the LVM kit is based on a B&O prototype, but it is clearly?a copy of the Potomac Valley one, so I think you could?still get one from . (K&P's website says it's a B&O prototype, so some research may be necessary.)
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Jace,
Right both counts: ?original Norfolk Southern, and Potomac Valley S Gaugers did offer the kit ?1970-1971.
Gale Hsll
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 7:56 AM, JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
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I suspect Brother Karnes misremembered (since he is even older than I, that should not surprise); the only sandhouse kit done by a group of which I am aware was the [original] Norfolk Southern prototype by the Potomac Valley group.? I could be wrong, of course--as
noted at my age I have a lot of memories to keep track of.??
Ed Loizeaux offered a well-assembled one a few months ago, and I waited too long to grab another well-assembled kit at the 2023 NASG—someone else beat me to it; I did pick up a kit (perhaps at the Boxboro NASG), but it is not a shake-the-box.
Dick,
Ernie worked in a brake shop.? I had thoughts of that might be the reason he got cancer---those asbestos brake shoe dust can be a problem.? I was shooting Jess Bennett's layout when I thought about seeing Ernie.? However Jess indicated that he was so sick
he was pretty much in-active. I didn't know if he would appreciate my visit. or be an unwelcome element!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
Brother Werre is correct.? Ernie Horr, who owned the stockyard facility, lived in Spokane.? He was a friend of mine; my wife Ilze and I visited him and his wivfe in 1987 or thereabouts.? As I recall, Mrs. Horr,?a hairdresser,
had fun with her surname.? Oddly, I do not remember what Ernie did for a living...
Ernie was a hirailer.? All track was code 172, but he used John Bortz's converted Kadee HO couplers.? The name of his railroad was The Tinplate Road. He was a member of the Spokane Valley S Gauge Railroaders.? The group actually
developed and marketed a sandhouse structure kit that's seen on a lot of S layouts.
Ernie named nearly all of his industries after friends of his -- including me.? I emulated his practice on my layout, where you would have found Lee M. Johnson Medical Supplies, D. R. Thompson Icing facility, Jaxon Arms apartments,
R. Nulton Auto Rebuild, Gilbert M. Hulin Balls and Bats, Loizeaux's Liquors, L & M Sokol Palliatives, etc.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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Tom,
That club would have been Ernie Horr’s club.
In Washington State. Spokane area
Gale Hsll
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
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Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."?
I didn't find it on our website.
Tommy
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On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 02:11:06 PM PST, hall7009@... via groups.io <hall7009@...> wrote:
Tom,
That club would have been Ernie Horr’s club.
In Washington State. Spokane area
Gale Hsll
On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."?
I didn't find it on our website.
Tommy
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Yes!? The Inland Empire S Gauge Association marketed a kit for a sand storage house.? It had a sloped flat roof with a hatch on top.
(Memory restored; thanks, guys.)
-- Dick Karnes, MMR
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Thanks Dick. Anybody have an unbuilt kit? Tommy
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The sandhouse was indeed from the original Norfolk Southern, located at their yard in Norfolk. ?Attached is a photo I shot of the prototype in January 1974, shortly after the Norfolk Southern was absorbed by the Southern Railway.
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The sandhouse kit was originally produced by the Potomac Valley S Gaugers. ?I remember a meeting where we all sat around my kitchen table and drew outlines of the wall sections using templates and ball point pens. ?Later Frank Titman made this kit part of this extensive line of S scale building kits.
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I have also attached a copy of the plans included in the PVSGA kit.
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Dan Vandermause  
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Talk about getting it from the source! Thanks, Dan. Roger Nulton ?
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Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard? The sandhouse was indeed from the original Norfolk Southern, located at their yard in Norfolk. ?Attached is a photo I shot of the prototype in January 1974, shortly after the Norfolk Southern was absorbed by the Southern Railway. The sandhouse kit was originally produced by the Potomac Valley S Gaugers. ?I remember a meeting where we all sat around my kitchen table and drew outlines of the wall sections using templates and ball point pens. ?Later Frank Titman made this kit part of this extensive line of S scale building kits. I have also attached a copy of the plans included in the PVSGA kit. Dan Vandermause 
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Okay now we've found the sources of S
sandhouses.? We've also seen one version--but the other unit
probably wasn't a strong seller!? Somebody must have built one or
has a photo tucked away!
This is also a good time to thank those
clubs who worked hard to make up these kits just to keep our
chosen modeling size alive.? None found themselves with financial
or political fortunes.
Bob Werre
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On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 02:11:06 PM PST,
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Tom,
That club would have been Ernie Horr’s club.
In Washington State. Spokane area
Gale Hsll
On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04 AM,
Tom Lennon via groups.io
<milepost169@...> wrote:
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the
north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand
House kit? The brand name they had was initials.
Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."?
I didn't find it on our website.
Tommy
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Just to give a flavor for how much effort was required to produce these "homemade" kits, the PVSGA sandhouse required two particularly difficult to construct parts: ?The sand spout, that was produced on a lathe (by the only club member who had a lathe), and the roof vent (I forget how that was made).
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No 3D printing back then!
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Gives you a better appreciation for the level of effort required of Frank Titman to produce so many S scale structure kits back in the Old Days!
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Dan V
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John Degnan
Tom Lennon
Dick Karnes, MMR
Roger Nulton
Bob Werre