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I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

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Suck it up Bob!? ? Floor landing micro parts is part of the JOB.??
Its one of the forms of exercise we need.

Andrew Parker
On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 06:32:32 PM PST, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:


I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

Phototraxx


 

Hi Bob --

I know the space in your train room is limited.? Can you work somewhere else using a card table where?it can be close?to your?computer?? ?Even though I have a work table in the trainroom, some of my bigger structure projects require me to set up a card table with a protective covering for workspace that I can leave a project on until it is done.? ?It can also be near my computer.? For a smaller model, like the boxcar, I could also put a laptop computer on the table, If I had one of those!

I have one of those kits.? Let me know what I need to watch for, please.? I use a medium viscosity instant glue for this kind of project, along with some instant setting?solution, if needed,?but it will be an interesting project when I get?around to it,?no matter what. . Still way too much railroad to finish first.? I am hoping to get back after?it during the second part of this month, after taxes, meetings and bridge playing are out of the way.? The darn calendar fills up way too fast.? Sandie and I are the embodiment of the old saying about?being retired, that we are busier now than when we were working!? ?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:32?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

Phototraxx


 

Bob...

Here ya go!? Three picsofthat car kit.? I'm with you & hate the small discs.

Bob Hogan

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:54?PM William Winans via <3W2scalesonly=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Bob --

I know the space in your train room is limited.? Can you work somewhere else using a card table where?it can be close?to your?computer?? ?Even though I have a work table in the trainroom, some of my bigger structure projects require me to set up a card table with a protective covering for workspace that I can leave a project on until it is done.? ?It can also be near my computer.? For a smaller model, like the boxcar, I could also put a laptop computer on the table, If I had one of those!

I have one of those kits.? Let me know what I need to watch for, please.? I use a medium viscosity instant glue for this kind of project, along with some instant setting?solution, if needed,?but it will be an interesting project when I get?around to it,?no matter what. . Still way too much railroad to finish first.? I am hoping to get back after?it during the second part of this month, after taxes, meetings and bridge playing are out of the way.? The darn calendar fills up way too fast.? Sandie and I are the embodiment of the old saying about?being retired, that we are busier now than when we were working!? ?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:32?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

Phototraxx


 



On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 7:20?AM Bob Hogan <bob.hogan@...> wrote:
Bob...

Here ya go!? Three picsofthat car kit.? I'm with you & hate the small discs.

Bob Hogan

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:54?PM William Winans via <3W2scalesonly=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Bob --

I know the space in your train room is limited.? Can you work somewhere else using a card table where?it can be close?to your?computer?? ?Even though I have a work table in the trainroom, some of my bigger structure projects require me to set up a card table with a protective covering for workspace that I can leave a project on until it is done.? ?It can also be near my computer.? For a smaller model, like the boxcar, I could also put a laptop computer on the table, If I had one of those!

I have one of those kits.? Let me know what I need to watch for, please.? I use a medium viscosity instant glue for this kind of project, along with some instant setting?solution, if needed,?but it will be an interesting project when I get?around to it,?no matter what. . Still way too much railroad to finish first.? I am hoping to get back after?it during the second part of this month, after taxes, meetings and bridge playing are out of the way.? The darn calendar fills up way too fast.? Sandie and I are the embodiment of the old saying about?being retired, that we are busier now than when we were working!? ?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:32?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

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Do you have a printer?

Michael Fox

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:32?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

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--
Michael


 

I have my work table in the basement and the desk top computer upstairs in the dining room so I printed up the instructions off the disc. I find it easier to follow on paper anyway¡­..old school they say!
? ? ? Bud Rindfleisch


 

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Never say never till the chubby guy gets down on all fours!? Actually it reappeared and is now in place.? So I hope to put the hand valve in place along with the chain down to the bell crank this evening.? The photos that Bob sent had a couple of details that I wasn't totally understanding, so many thanks for those.?

And Jim's words on instructions is worth looking at.? I built a sample of the SOO Line stock car--yes it requires lots of blow by blow illustrated instructions.? Sometimes the instructions could benefit from revisions too, meanwhile the kits are needing to be sold, so time is a factor.? Then I remember when Jess Bennett was asked to write an article on one of his big engines for the S Gaugian, but told to make it fit into two pages!? Or then you have some of the kits I've sold (BBB) where the box contains 4-6 large pieces, a couple of grabs, some strip wood and not a clue what to do next!? A test for a creative writing class!

I was given a ancient Mac lap top but I can't get to come alive--too costly for any further investment though.? Same with printers--I have a beautiful and heavy Canon that I can't get to function either, so we use a cheepie Epson.? At any rate it's a trip downstairs to that unit and I need a 'permission slip' from my better half to print with it!

Back to the ribbed car--I think another couple of evenings might secure a completion for it!? Painting and lettering will have to wait--we're due for several days of rain!

It's a bit interesting that with a quick walk from my house, as a kid, I could see them nearly everyday. But I was young to the point that a boxcar was just a boxcar!? When I was old enough to understand a bit more, the grain hopper had arrived then, in a few more years later they pulled up the tracks!? end of that story!? My hometown started a museum once,? the men who knew how, built a sod house, found an old one-room school house, and specialized a wagon used to haul fill for the RR grades.? The former local station agent inquired into acquiring a boxcar for display, but whomever he talked to said they didn't have any and ignored the fact that my hometown, for a few years was the "Grain Capital" of the world!? Apparently whomever was still trying to run a railroad didn't care much--it was like the fall of Saigon--everybody for themselves!

Bob Werre
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Hi Bob --

I know the space in your train room is limited.? Can you work somewhere else using a card table where?it can be close?to your?computer?? ?Even though I have a work table in the trainroom, some of my bigger structure projects require me to set up a card table with a protective covering for workspace that I can leave a project on until it is done.? ?It can also be near my computer.? For a smaller model, like the boxcar, I could also put a laptop computer on the table, If I had one of those!

I have one of those kits.? Let me know what I need to watch for, please.? I use a medium viscosity instant glue for this kind of project, along with some instant setting?solution, if needed,?but it will be an interesting project when I get?around to it,?no matter what. . Still way too much railroad to finish first.? I am hoping to get back after?it during the second part of this month, after taxes, meetings and bridge playing are out of the way.? The darn calendar fills up way too fast.? Sandie and I are the embodiment of the old saying about?being retired, that we are busier now than when we were working!? ?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:32?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

Phototraxx



 

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I believe it is Preston MN in Fillmore County that preserved a grain elevator and found a MILW ribside to go with it.? This some years after the tracks of the Southern Minnesota (later MILW) had been lifted, so the car had to be trucked.


Jace Kahn



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob Werre <bob@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2025 12:07 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] SMMW ribbed boxcar
?
Never say never till the chubby guy gets down on all fours!? Actually it reappeared and is now in place.? So I hope to put the hand valve in place along with the chain down to the bell crank this evening.? The photos that Bob sent had a couple of details that I wasn't totally understanding, so many thanks for those.?

And Jim's words on instructions is worth looking at.? I built a sample of the SOO Line stock car--yes it requires lots of blow by blow illustrated instructions.? Sometimes the instructions could benefit from revisions too, meanwhile the kits are needing to be sold, so time is a factor.? Then I remember when Jess Bennett was asked to write an article on one of his big engines for the S Gaugian, but told to make it fit into two pages!? Or then you have some of the kits I've sold (BBB) where the box contains 4-6 large pieces, a couple of grabs, some strip wood and not a clue what to do next!? A test for a creative writing class!

I was given a ancient Mac lap top but I can't get to come alive--too costly for any further investment though.? Same with printers--I have a beautiful and heavy Canon that I can't get to function either, so we use a cheepie Epson.? At any rate it's a trip downstairs to that unit and I need a 'permission slip' from my better half to print with it!

Back to the ribbed car--I think another couple of evenings might secure a completion for it!? Painting and lettering will have to wait--we're due for several days of rain!

It's a bit interesting that with a quick walk from my house, as a kid, I could see them nearly everyday. But I was young to the point that a boxcar was just a boxcar!? When I was old enough to understand a bit more, the grain hopper had arrived then, in a few more years later they pulled up the tracks!? end of that story!? My hometown started a museum once,? the men who knew how, built a sod house, found an old one-room school house, and specialized a wagon used to haul fill for the RR grades.? The former local station agent inquired into acquiring a boxcar for display, but whomever he talked to said they didn't have any and ignored the fact that my hometown, for a few years was the "Grain Capital" of the world!? Apparently whomever was still trying to run a railroad didn't care much--it was like the fall of Saigon--everybody for themselves!

Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx

Hi Bob --

I know the space in your train room is limited.? Can you work somewhere else using a card table where?it can be close?to your?computer?? ?Even though I have a work table in the trainroom, some of my bigger structure projects require me to set up a card table with a protective covering for workspace that I can leave a project on until it is done.? ?It can also be near my computer.? For a smaller model, like the boxcar, I could also put a laptop computer on the table, If I had one of those!

I have one of those kits.? Let me know what I need to watch for, please.? I use a medium viscosity instant glue for this kind of project, along with some instant setting?solution, if needed,?but it will be an interesting project when I get?around to it,?no matter what. . Still way too much railroad to finish first.? I am hoping to get back after?it during the second part of this month, after taxes, meetings and bridge playing are out of the way.? The darn calendar fills up way too fast.? Sandie and I are the embodiment of the old saying about?being retired, that we are busier now than when we were working!? ?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:32?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought one of the Milw horizontal boxcar kits from Smoky Mt kits.? I'm wondering if any others have either completed the kit or might be working on one.? I started mine a few days ago.? It's looking like a great project and somewhat challenging too.? I actually I really like a challenge but I'm a bit out of practice; not to mention lots of gluing techniques change when you're using resin parts instead of typical plastics

Since it comes with a mini cd for the bulk of the instructions along with a collection of prototype shots, you sort of need a nearby computer or at least a screen to reference along the way.? I have a Mac in the next room, but I have to? crawl several feet on hands and knees to my workbench so that's not fun at all.? Couple that problem with the written descriptions being subject to interpretation which really slows me down!?

On top of that I dropped the brake wheel housing last night, then I found it, then I lost it again--so that's my tail of tribulations so far!

Bob Werre

Phototraxx



 

I have several of these kits waiting to be?built.? I have actually cleaned the flash off the parts.? But my old laptop will not run the small discs.? So if someone would email me the instructions or print them out and mail them I would much appreciate it.? Let me know if you need some compensation or trade.
Thanks,
Steve Wolcott


 

You are correct Jace.
--
Nick Kinnear
Plainview, MN


 

Just for fun, I went searching on Google Maps for the boxcar. If you're interested, here it is.


Jamie Bothwell
Bethlehem, PA


On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:38?PM Nick Kinnear via <nick.kinnear=[email protected]> wrote:
You are correct Jace.
--
Nick Kinnear
Plainview, MN


 

Great link, Jamie.
Ben Trousdale?


 

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That's a good little display for hundreds of tiny towns.? Around here many small cities have set aside their depots, but to raise the needed cash to keep them painted, etc. they will put on an event.? So now you have a dozen of these along with the various, TTOS, NMRA, etc.putting on shows of some kind. ?? They're generally small events but eventually those volunteer efforts run out of steam, the local folks have seen the displays many times and the clubs who setup up the RR's get too old for the setups!

I've dragged my family much further out West with our little tent trailer.? On the way up to NG territory after about 900miles, we'll end up in a small city right at the NM/TX border.? The campground is filled with X=ATSF reefers scattered about, the now. BNSF mainline is within walking distance so that helps too (if you can sleep well).?

Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx



On 2/5/25 9:14 AM, Jamie Bothwell via groups.io wrote:

Just for fun, I went searching on Google Maps for the boxcar. If you're interested, here it is.


Jamie Bothwell
Bethlehem, PA

On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:38?PM Nick Kinnear via <nick.kinnear=[email protected]> wrote:
You are correct Jace.
--
Nick Kinnear
Plainview, MN



 

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Quite a few small towns remember their railroad past.? Eyota MN, where I last served, even had an annual "Railroad Days" festival each August.? They are still along the old C&NW "Alco Line" (later DM&E, still later CPR) and once had a parallel CGW right of way.
When they came to find something suitable, no good C&NW (or CGW) cars could be found, so they settled for an ex-SOO caboose.


Jace Kahn



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob Werre <bob@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 1:57 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] SMMW ribbed boxcar
?
That's a good little display for hundreds of tiny towns.? Around here many small cities have set aside their depots, but to raise the needed cash to keep them painted, etc. they will put on an event.? So now you have a dozen of these along with the various, TTOS, NMRA, etc.putting on shows of some kind. ?? They're generally small events but eventually those volunteer efforts run out of steam, the local folks have seen the displays many times and the clubs who setup up the RR's get too old for the setups!

I've dragged my family much further out West with our little tent trailer.? On the way up to NG territory after about 900miles, we'll end up in a small city right at the NM/TX border.? The campground is filled with X=ATSF reefers scattered about, the now. BNSF mainline is within walking distance so that helps too (if you can sleep well).?

Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx



On 2/5/25 9:14 AM, Jamie Bothwell via groups.io wrote:
Just for fun, I went searching on Google Maps for the boxcar. If you're interested, here it is.


Jamie Bothwell
Bethlehem, PA

On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:38?PM Nick Kinnear via <nick.kinnear=[email protected]> wrote:
You are correct Jace.
--
Nick Kinnear
Plainview, MN



 

Go to a UPS Store (or Office Max or similar) and have them print the PDF.
--
Jim King


 

I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.? Technology is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to "upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop and "cheap" HP black & white laser printer, now available on Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives and glue.
?
If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in color for about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course, you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you don't possess a computer with horizontal disc tray, you can get an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for $34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch "mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information transfer.? Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me" that SO MUCH info could be packed into a small space and the mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise collected since 1975?
--
Jim King


 

Jim & et al,

Most newer laptops do not come with CD drives or one can not be added as an extra BUT there are loads of external CD drives that can be added to any and all computers.

Several years ago I bought a very good Dell external drive for less than $45. I would venture a guess that the $45 is equivalent to two trips to Office Max or wherever to print in color two sets of instructions off of provided CDs.?

Mike,

Ohio



On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 4:19?PM Jim King via <jimking3=[email protected]> wrote:
I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.? Technology is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to "upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop and "cheap" HP black & white laser printer, now available on Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives and glue.
?
If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in color for about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course, you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you don't possess a computer with horizontal disc tray, you can get an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for $34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch "mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information transfer.? Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me" that SO MUCH info could be packed into a small space and the mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise collected since 1975?
--
Jim King


 

One big problem with the mini CDs is that if you have a laptop computer that has a slide-in (sucks-it-in) slot to receive the 5" CDs (as opposed to a slide-out tray), it is not physically capable of handling the mini CD. When I had my laptop as my main computer, I could not load the SMMW mini CD because my laptop had one of those suck-it-in drives built-in. I had to use my wife's desktop computer to load it, copy it to a USB flashdrive, and then transfer that to my laptop.

The mini CD only works on physical drives that have a slide-out tray with an indentation built into them for the mini CD (most do of those do).

- Peter.

On 02/07/2025 03:33 PM, Michael Lytle via groups.io wrote:

Jim & et al,

Most newer laptops do not come with CD drives or one can not be added as an extra BUT there are loads of external CD drives that can be added to any and all computers.

Several years ago I bought a very good Dell external drive for less than $45. I would venture a guess that the $45 is equivalent to two trips to Office Max or wherever to print in color two sets of instructions off of provided CDs.

Mike,

Ohio
--
Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas

(personal web site)


 

Mike,
?
I referenced an external hard drive (with tray) option in my post that is sold on Amazon for $34 but just now found one (from Haiway, also sold on Amazon) with a 5" tray and burner for $30.? Power connection is same as a cell phone charger with multiple connection types so computer port not required.? Can also copy a disc's contents wirelessly thru a touchpad or mouse, to 2 types of flash drives, and a storage card like used in digital cameras.? Super versatile.? This is not just for copying instructions and photos ... it can be used to transfer videos from CDs that I'm sure all of us possess.?
?
I would not recommend relying on CD of any diameter to store info long-term.? Typically, they only last up to 10 years then something goes corrupt which makes getting the info off of the disc problematic.? In today's e-world, flash drives and external hard drives (no trays), which cost as little as $80 with 2 terabytes of capacity, are preferred.? I'm gradually transferring all of my archived CAD files and related to portable hard drives made by Seagate, considered to be the best by several researchers (I have 2 of the 8 TB for photos and 2 of the 4 TB for lower resolution files ... scanned slides are 130mb each and, despite having scanned several thousand of my own plus a few thousand from friends, it still takes a LONG time to use even 1 TB, let alone 8).
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I was way low on color printing prices at a UPS-like store ... it's now $1 per single sided page according to Google search dated July 2024.? At 20 pages, that gets pricey which makes having digital access that much more attractive.? Printing sheets for 2 kits would cost $10 more than the $30 external drive I found on Amazon which is limitless in what it can do.
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Jim King