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Peter is 100% correct.? Vertical drives won't work with a mini disc; ya gotta use a tray.?
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I have been 100% PC all my life and have no experience with Apple systems.? MACs were always considered to be better than PCs for writers, artists, etc.? PCs were for technical users, like design engineers (me :-)).? My friends and some customers who run MACs and related Apple hardware have told me about the vertical drives not accepting the mini discs.? I guess those are considered the ones that "suck in a disc"?? Since my world has always revolved around 3D design, specifically Solidworks, every system I've worked on, even going back to right out of college in the early 80s, was either a mainframe (for Intergraph 2.5D), or PC-based for CADRA (predecessor to Solidworks), then Solidworks, and since 2000, on laptops I've owned.? Apple didn't offer a Solidworks-compatible platform until much after I went solo.
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Jim King
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I guess all this mess is my fault but
it is apparent that the issues I had are evident along with others
by others.? I just wanted to compare notes with others for the
most part.? Sorry bout that!
However, I do have interpretation
issues with some of the instructions--that's why couples sometimes
get divorced, but fellow modelers will find a solution!
Over the years I've worked with many
clients of all kinds in compiling instruction manuals and methods
leading to suitable results.? As an example, I just saw a news
report of a patient who has received a transplanted kidney from a
pig.? I was involved in that sort of research 25 years ago--they
were just starting research at that time.? Then I worked on a
lengthy service manual for a Wire-line truck for the oil fields.?
We nearly tore a truck apart--by the way they also had a couple of
Russian made trucks for a different firm.? That client had
problems repairing the trucks from Freightliner- & Mack-the
Russian versions were more familiar to their guys and simpler!?
So when we get into digital
media--wow.? As a photographer, if I saved all my old toys, I'd
have a boneyard of both PCs, Macs, and what was also hung on to
them.? Most don't work anymore and passwords have dissolved from
my mind.? However, I'm not going to purchase any new toys if I can
avoid them.? I'm typing this on a once high-end 27"IMac that was
given to me.? My repair guy was updating one of his clients, so he
had several dozen units that were now surplus--so he gave me
one--dumpster diving, I admit! Obviously they can't be updated but
at my age that's probably all I need!
Now my newest Mac Mini is close-by
upstairs but I have to crawl about 8' to get back and forth--and
that's not going to happen repeatedly either.? So my burner can
read the mini discs just fine.? But like you and Peter state, some
machines need to suck-in the disc.? My daughter was given a G3
laptop years ago that I thought might work, as it's small but the
CD is the sucking kind!, so no go!? Bring in another CD drive--now
I've got a too large system with several cords and whatever. And
don't get started on dried-out printers, & btw price that
ink!?
So I'm doing the best I can, but I also have several kits where an
xacto and glue will still work just fine too!
Bob Werre
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I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating
the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject
to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide
in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.?
Technology is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will
NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer
paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be
outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to
"upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to
reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop
and "cheap" HP black & white laser printer, now available on
Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for
model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives
and glue.
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If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts
for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can
take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS
Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in
color for about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course,
you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found
elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and
viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you
don't possess a computer with horizontal disc tray, you can get
an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for
$34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer
or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch
"mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from
SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for
the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information
transfer.? Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit
manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions
often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit
manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me"
that SO MUCH info could be packed into a small space and the
mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get
all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS
scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've
either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise collected since 1975?
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Jim King
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I hear what Jim King is saying, although the disk itself seems to have been superseded.? My wife's newer laptop came with no provision for playing CD's—all is that wretched MP crap, so we had to buy an external disc player.
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I guess all this mess is my fault but it is apparent that the issues I had are evident along with others by others.? I just wanted to compare notes with others for the most part.? Sorry bout that!
However, I do have interpretation issues with some of the instructions--that's why couples sometimes get divorced, but fellow modelers will find a solution!
Over the years I've worked with many clients of all kinds in compiling instruction manuals and methods leading to suitable results.? As an example, I just saw a news report of a patient who has received a transplanted kidney from
a pig.? I was involved in that sort of research 25 years ago--they were just starting research at that time.? Then I worked on a lengthy service manual for a Wire-line truck for the oil fields.? We nearly tore a truck apart--by the way they also had a couple
of Russian made trucks for a different firm.? That client had problems repairing the trucks from Freightliner- & Mack-the Russian versions were more familiar to their guys and simpler!?
So when we get into digital media--wow.? As a photographer, if I saved all my old toys, I'd have a boneyard of both PCs, Macs, and what was also hung on to them.? Most don't work anymore and passwords have dissolved from my mind.?
However, I'm not going to purchase any new toys if I can avoid them.? I'm typing this on a once high-end 27"IMac that was given to me.? My repair guy was updating one of his clients, so he had several dozen units that were now surplus--so he gave me one--dumpster
diving, I admit! Obviously they can't be updated but at my age that's probably all I need!
Now my newest Mac Mini is close-by upstairs but I have to crawl about 8' to get back and forth--and that's not going to happen repeatedly either.? So my burner can read the mini discs just fine.? But like you and Peter state,
some machines need to suck-in the disc.? My daughter was given a G3 laptop years ago that I thought might work, as it's small but the CD is the sucking kind!, so no go!? Bring in another CD drive--now I've got a too large system with several cords and whatever.
And don't get started on dried-out printers, & btw price that ink!?
So I'm doing the best I can, but I also have several kits where an xacto and glue will still work just fine too!
Bob Werre
I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.? Technology
is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to "upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop and "cheap"
HP black & white laser printer, now available on Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives and glue.
?
If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in color for
about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course, you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you don't possess a computer
with horizontal disc tray, you can get an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for $34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch "mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information transfer.?
Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me" that SO MUCH info could be
packed into a small space and the mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise
collected since 1975?
--
Jim King
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Group,
SMMW mini-cd file transfer options:
- Copy the mini-CD files onto a USB flash drive from the old pc, plug the flash drive into the new pc/laptop then view/copy files to the new hard drive.
- Use an Easy Transfer Cable to move files between pcs
- Share/transfer files between pcs via the home network
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Thank you,
Matt Hogan
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Another option is for a
manufacturer to post the instructions on-line in the first place.? East-West Rail, Miniatures from the North (Simon Parent) and Pre-size Model Specialties use that
method:
I
agree paper directions are pretty much gonners, so any digital means of providing the instructions is a big step up.? One advantage to posting on-line directions is that they can be easily updated with additional useful info, such as alternative construction techniques or additional prototype photo links.
Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 12:25?PM Matt Hogan via <Matthew.Hogan1804= [email protected]> wrote: Group,
SMMW mini-cd file transfer options:
- Copy the mini-CD files onto a USB flash drive from the old pc, plug the flash drive into the new pc/laptop then view/copy files to the new hard drive.
- Use an Easy Transfer Cable to move files between pcs
- Share/transfer files between pcs via the home network
?
Thank you,
Matt Hogan
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Jim,
SMMW includes prototype photos in their instructions. If they had received permission to use them the photos would have to be removed prior to posting the instructions on a web site to prevent them from becoming public domain elements.
It's not hard to purchase or borrow a CD reader. As a last resort take the CD to office Max along with a flash drive and I'm sure for a very nominal cost they will load it onto the flash drive.
Jim very early on chose to be a pioneer and supply a "loaded" CD for instructions that contained much more info than glue tab A into slot A and a hand drawn sketch. I for one appreciate his efforts and I found a work-around after I upgraded my computer and CD drives were no longer an integral component.
I think we beat this string to death!
Mike,
Ohio
Another option is for a
manufacturer to post the instructions on-line in the first place.? East-West Rail, Miniatures from the North (Simon Parent) and Pre-size Model Specialties use that
method:
I
agree paper directions are pretty much gonners, so any digital means of providing the instructions is a big step up.? One advantage to posting on-line directions is that they can be easily updated with additional useful info, such as alternative construction techniques or additional prototype photo links.
Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 12:25?PM Matt Hogan via <Matthew.Hogan1804= [email protected]> wrote: Group,
SMMW mini-cd file transfer options:
- Copy the mini-CD files onto a USB flash drive from the old pc, plug the flash drive into the new pc/laptop then view/copy files to the new hard drive.
- Use an Easy Transfer Cable to move files between pcs
- Share/transfer files between pcs via the home network
?
Thank you,
Matt Hogan
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Matt,?
Thanks for listing those ways of
combining CD drives and files with the newer methods of transfer.?
I tried transfering using a Ethernet cable that I had been using
at the studio but I need to renew my knowledge on the connections,
permissions etc.? I hate all the routines with passwords,
permissions and updating old computers that are officially retired
by Master Mac!
Then I also assume that putting an I
Pad into the mix would add additional means to make that work or
not!? One of those is ideal for small areas like a drawer
perhaps--open the drawer, refresh the screen, then build without
dripping glue on screen!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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Group,
SMMW mini-cd file transfer options:
- Copy the mini-CD files onto a USB flash drive from the old
pc, plug the flash drive into the new pc/laptop then view/copy
files to the new hard drive.
- Use an Easy Transfer Cable to move files between pcs
- Share/transfer files between pcs via the home network
?
Thank you,
Matt Hogan
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If your computers on connected to the internet, use Google Drive or similar to transfer. Load the contents of the CD from one machine, then log in and download from the other. Mac and iPad might use iCloud instead of Drive.
Ethernet cables - (shudder).
On Tuesday, February 11, 2025, 10:16 AM, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:
Matt,?
Thanks for listing those ways of
combining CD drives and files with the newer methods of transfer.?
I tried transfering using a Ethernet cable that I had been using
at the studio but I need to renew my knowledge on the connections,
permissions etc.? I hate all the routines with passwords,
permissions and updating old computers that are officially retired
by Master Mac!
Then I also assume that putting an I
Pad into the mix would add additional means to make that work or
not!? One of those is ideal for small areas like a drawer
perhaps--open the drawer, refresh the screen, then build without
dripping glue on screen!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
Group,
SMMW mini-cd file transfer options:
- Copy the mini-CD files onto a USB flash drive from the old
pc, plug the flash drive into the new pc/laptop then view/copy
files to the new hard drive.
- Use an Easy Transfer Cable to move files between pcs
- Share/transfer files between pcs via the home network
?
Thank you,
Matt Hogan
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Bob Werre