Re: River Raisin B&A tender
I kind of lost track of this topic...? Speaking of short runs though, is this the tender you all are talking about?
Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Swederska wrote:
Bill,
Your Pacific looks good just the way it is.?
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All this talk about what this tender would go behind is funny to me. That tender is a really good looking well rounded and proportioned tender. It would look good behind any mid size steamer on short runs. I bet the logo would come off pretty easily and a modeler could decal it for what ever road they wanted.?
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
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Sometimes I love telling banalities. Lay your radii as big as you can afford them. Many years ago I bought a german streamline steamer, a BR 06. Can be seen here: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-Baureihe_06. In HO it is a huge monster of an engine. Made by Brawa, it had aprons for the trailing trucks with cut out segments for the trailing trucks to handle small radii. The parts for a more prototypical appearance were added as spare parts. I installed those out of optical reasons - but the loco needed a one-meter-radius from then on. The conclusion? Being a M?rklin AC model the loco and my layout got provided the biggest C track radius M?rklin produced. What also was a benefit for trains with long cars.
In short: The closer your radii are to the real thing the less trouble they shall get you. Some day you come across a Big Boy. Or a Challenger. Or something similar in that lengh. Then you'll curse your decision of using small radii years ago. Again: Check the dimensions you have left for your layout. Think big. And enjoy our beautiful hobby now and in the years to come. No lists needed.
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Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans
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Re: River Raisin B&A tender
I took a look at a couple photos of the B&M's Lima-built P-4 4-6-2's (1934.) Now, I don't have dimensions of the B&A tender to compare with, so I'm only comparing the shape of the top and counting the number of rivet lines, but I'd say it has reasonable chance of being a close match to that slightly later series of locomotives. Certainly, if one models a road with similarly sized Lima built equipment from the era, it might be worth considering Rusty's tender.
Have any Pacific's with ~80" drivers ever been imported?
Earl Tuson
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She¡¯s sure a beauty, Steve! A one page how to in the NASG Dispatch with sources and methods would help a lot of people. Roger Nulton ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Lunde
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2025 12:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [S-Scale] Finally Finished? My Great Northern Flyonel Mikado with proper decals. ?River Raison Vanderbilt coal tender, all scale drivers and wheel sets. ?A long Vanderbilt oil tender would be perfect, but this is close enough.
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Re: AF to scale - SSL&S Hudsons - B&A RRM tenders
Photo was meant to be a before and after shot.
Rob Fuhst? Grand Haven,? Michigan?
-- Rob Fuhst Grand Haven, MI
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Re: AF to scale - SSL&S Hudsons - B&A RRM tenders
Andre,
You are correct it will be installed on a SSL&S frame. The original AF linkage will not be used either. It will be replaced by SSL&S linkage, and new leading and trailing trucks.?
Rob Fuhst? Grand Haven,? MI?
-- Rob Fuhst Grand Haven, MI
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Re: AF to scale - SSL&S Hudsons - B&A RRM tenders
Rob:
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What exactly is going on here with these two boilers?
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At first I thought?an AF boiler was being cleaned up to be detailed with free standing piping, but then I noticed that the one boiler has much of?the below walkway cast details removed... thus that boiler can no longer use AF's method of hanging the AF valving. So, it must be going onto an entirelly different (non-AF) frame?
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Andre Ming
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I would agree with you!
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Re: AF to scale - SSL&S Hudsons - B&A RRM tenders
My original question was what B&A loco could use this tender.? The answer is an H10 2-8-2.? Now of course we can find any number of engines with similar tenders.? But for $250, I would not be buying a tender to stri
Does anyone have any Hudson conversion chassis that they would sell?
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Re: AF to scale - SSL&S Hudsons - B&A RRM tenders
Lindsey,?
I would agree with you!
Rob Fuhst? Grand Haven,? Michigan?
-- Rob Fuhst Grand Haven, MI
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Has anyone compiled a list of the required minimum track radius that a particular locomotive must have? For instance an American models Pacific vs an AF/converted SSL&S Pacific? Seems like this would be good information to have before laying track.
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Rob Fuhst
Grand Haven, MI
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Re: AF to scale - SSL&S Hudsons - B&A RRM tenders
Mike,?
? ? ?I have one of Claude's SSL&S Hudson conversions. Will take an inventory of the parts and send it to you over the next few days.? The key, at least in my opinion, is the time spent filing the boiler.? I recall reading years ago that he produced upwards of 150 of these kits.??
? ? ?On the subject of B&A tenders, I stumbled across a photo in Mopac Power, written by, as you well know, the late Joe Colias, patron saint of all things Missouri Pacific.? In the chapter on Mikes, there's a tender that appears to be virtually identical to Rusty's RRM tender, on Commonwealth 4-wheel passenger trucks, being pulled by an Alco-built 2-8-2.? I suspect the design was far more common than we realize.? I then consulted my file of MP Mike photos.? Yep, numerous MoPac Mike's were paired with a very similar tender.??
Lindsey Neas Route of the Eagles? ? ??
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Re: River Raisin B&A tender
I've been told that the SP swapped
tenders fairly often--especially the later years!?
Bob Werre
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Bill,
Your Pacific looks good just the way it is.?
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All this talk about what this tender would go behind is funny
to me. That tender is a really good looking well rounded and
proportioned tender. It would look good behind any mid size
steamer on short runs. I bet the logo would come off pretty
easily and a modeler could decal it for what ever road they
wanted.?
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model
railroading fun!
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Question, I was asked if I had what it would take to convert AF Hudsons and Northerns to scale. I know that SSL&S once offered these conversions. So asking for a friend whom I don't believe is on this group. Does anyone have one of these kit for sale that I can put him in contact with? I am not doing the work, I am just helping him find parts.?
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I have never seen one of these and don't know what they consist of. I do have one of those AF Consolidation conversion kits that I scrounged parts from. The drivers are under my Berkshire.? It came with the AF boiler but pretty much everything else was SSL&S details including the tender kit.?
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Re: River Raisin B&A tender
Bill,
Your Pacific looks good just the way it is.?
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All this talk about what this tender would go behind is funny to me. That tender is a really good looking well rounded and proportioned tender. It would look good behind any mid size steamer on short runs. I bet the logo would come off pretty easily and a modeler could decal it for what ever road they wanted.?
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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I had a chance to take a close look at one of these Mike's, with the intention of converting it to scale. It's a beautiful model. I see that the two center axles have blind tires. Only the 1st and 4th drivers need to be replaced or turned. A scale "conversion kit" would only need 4 tender axles, a lead and a trailing truck axle, 4 tires, and 2 adaptors for mounting scale couplers. The only problem I have with all this is the cost of the previously owned locos.? It might be more affordable to buy a used Overland? Tommy?
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HI Steve,
Sweet! Now that is a looker!!
Some day the MP is going to have a green boiler on my line. As I just love that paint scheme. Before I get be up for it. I already check with the MPH and no MP did not have a green boiler loco.
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Inquiring minds would like to know, did you turn the tires to scale or did you purchase them and turn the centers to fit the new centers?
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Good to have that kind of machine shop and the skills to use it.? Very few commercial options otherwise.
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David, the drivers were turned and scale 110 tires pressed on. ?All Lionel TMCC stuff was taken out, WOW Steam decoder installed in the boiler. Lead pilot and trailing truck have AM scale wheel sets.
Steve
On Apr 15, 2025, at 16:41, David R. Henley Jr via groups.io <henley31c@...> wrote:
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Steve,
? ?Your Flyonel Mikado looks beautiful.? Great job!? I just have a couple of questions for you.? How did you get scale drivers on it?? Did you convert it to DC or is it still AC?
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Regards,
David Henley
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My Great Northern Flyonel Mikado with proper decals.? River Raison Vanderbilt coal tender, all scale drivers and wheel sets.? A long Vanderbilt oil tender would be perfect, but this is close enough.
Steve Lunde
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Re: River Raisin B&A tender
I just emailed Rusty that I thought?it would look good?behind my USRA Light 4-6-2, but the last thing I need is more tenders...? ?I do have the drop equalized trucks for the original?tender behind it in the photo that will get used one of these days...
Bill Winans
On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 4:36?PM John Hutnick via <johnhutnick= [email protected]> wrote: So unless other members can come up with suggestions, the answer seems to be that a modeler must have an Overland NYC H10 in order to use this B&A tender.
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The RRM Berk already comes with a B&A tender.? This is where we in S scale are handicapped by availability of any steam.
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We have had previous discussions of attracting more modelers to "S".? It appears that we must tell them to go look on Ebay.
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