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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred

 

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However both small and larger blimps were popular.? I didn't prefer them, but small planes were cheap to rent too.?
So don't eliminate them from historical reproductions.?
Bob Werre

Brooks, they didn’t have drones in 1947 ?

Roger

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brooks Stover via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 9:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The Monon Thoroughbred

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Roger,


Higher vantage point images are now referred to as "drone shots"...and they're all the rage!

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Real railroads now look like layouts on YouTube!


Brooks
Re: Posting Only On Facebook

 

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Hi Ted,

The original idea was that the manager of that group would post NASG-related news items there, for those who don't use Groups.io (back then it was Yahoo Groups). While I have personally never seen it, it is my understanding that it has morphed into an AF-discussion group.

- Peter.


On 02/01/2025 07:16 PM, Ted Larson via groups.io wrote:
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?(managed by Chris Burger on behalf of the NASG; ~1,300 members)
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What is NASGs purpose for this? ??


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trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org??????? --------???????
GN in 1965 

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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
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Re: AI ZOOM

 

To quote the character, Walter (a.k.a. Dumont in the video world) from the 1982 Jeff Bridges movie, TRON... "Someday, the computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop."
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John D
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On 02/02/2025 11:00 AM EST Bill Lane via groups.io <bill@...> wrote:
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In our track progress ZOOM yesterday with Micro Engineering, Dan turned on the AI that recorded the conversation ?- mostly for a goof I guess. When it was over a written somewhat condensed summary was produced complete with subject title paragraphs. While not perfect especially with spelling people’s names it was amazingly (scarily?) accurate with what was discussed.

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Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:

Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

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See my layout progress at:



Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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AI ZOOM

 

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In our track progress ZOOM yesterday with Micro Engineering, Dan turned on the AI that recorded the conversation ?- mostly for a goof I guess. When it was over a written somewhat condensed summary was produced complete with subject title paragraphs. While not perfect especially with spelling people’s names it was amazingly (scarily?) accurate with what was discussed.

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Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:

Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

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See my layout progress at:



Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Re: AF prices go skyrocketing

 

Yes... but the simple solution to this is just don't buy them at these prices.? SELLERS do NOT have the power over BUYERS... we have the power over them.? There is no law that says we MUST buy regardless of the price.? It's the DEMAND part of Supply and Demand.... if we DEMAND the prices come down before we buy... eventually, they will.
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John D
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On 02/02/2025 10:30 AM EST Hans von Draminski via groups.io <hvdjournal@...> wrote:
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As predicted: Lionel announces the end of AF - and prices are shooting through the ceiling. In the Bay, you find some SD70 offers - at around 800 US-$. Unaffordable and unjustified. Even U33 offers for east of 400 dollars. Seems a few people have gone mad altogether...
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Tired Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans (who does NOT want to play this game)

AF prices go skyrocketing

 

As predicted: Lionel announces the end of AF - and prices are shooting through the ceiling. In the Bay, you find some SD70 offers - at around 800 US-$. Unaffordable and unjustified. Even U33 offers for east of 400 dollars. Seems a few people have gone mad altogether...
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Tired Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans (who does NOT want to play this game)
Re: The Monon Thoroughbred

 

Magnificent work Roger. Kudos to you and Bob.

Jim Martin
Re: Posting Only On Facebook

 

Correction to my previous reply? :

"Facebook has a search feature that is present on every single Facebook group without FAIL."

I forgot to proofread... perhaps my memory cells need and upgrade to newer technology?


John D

On 02/02/2025 at 7:35 AM, John Degnan via groups.io <scaler164@...> wrote:

Facebook does not need a archiving system because everything you post never gets deleted unless you intentionally delete it, and those earlier posts can be easily found using the search feature which is present in every single Facebook group without oil.

As for your other point about E-mail... Facebook is not an email client, it is a advanced messaging platform.

And lastly... the very poor sales of American Flyer products over the past decade have shown that NOT fixing a problem (i.e. not improving the product) played a huge part in the demise of AF.


John D

On 02/02/2025 at 3:29 AM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote: 

If it aint broke dont fix it.
FB lacks in, to me, the most important area.  Archiving.  You can search any post ever made, but try that in FB.
Secondly; eMail is not tracked and sold.  Which seems to be FBs main reason for being.
As for instant on with pics and vids.  Such is possible with eMail but uses resources many do not have.  Seems like a first world problem.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
group_list@...

> On 01February2025, at 22:00, John Degnan via groups.io <scaler164@...> wrote:
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> The IO Group's format represents a BACKWARD step in technology instead of a forward step that Facebook (and similar platforms) represents.








Re: Posting Only On Facebook

 

Facebook does not need a archiving system because everything you post never gets deleted unless you intentionally delete it, and those earlier posts can be easily found using the search feature which is present in every single Facebook group without oil.

As for your other point about E-mail... Facebook is not an email client, it is a advanced messaging platform.

And lastly... the very poor sales of American Flyer products over the past decade have shown that NOT fixing a problem (i.e. not improving the product) played a huge part in the demise of AF.


John D

On 02/02/2025 at 3:29 AM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote: 

If it aint broke dont fix it.
FB lacks in, to me, the most important area.  Archiving.  You can search any post ever made, but try that in FB.
Secondly; eMail is not tracked and sold.  Which seems to be FBs main reason for being.
As for instant on with pics and vids.  Such is possible with eMail but uses resources many do not have.  Seems like a first world problem.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
group_list@...

> On 01February2025, at 22:00, John Degnan via groups.io <scaler164@...> wrote:
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> The IO Group's format represents a BACKWARD step in technology instead of a forward step that Facebook (and similar platforms) represents.







Re: The Monon Thoroughbred

 

No, they had bridges and water towers.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
group_list@...

On 01February2025, at 22:07, Roger Nulton via groups.io <roger.nulton@...> wrote:

Brooks, they didn’t have drones in 1947 ?
Roger
Re: Posting Only On Facebook

 

If it aint broke dont fix it.
FB lacks in, to me, the most important area. Archiving. You can search any post ever made, but try that in FB.
Secondly; eMail is not tracked and sold. Which seems to be FBs main reason for being.
As for instant on with pics and vids. Such is possible with eMail but uses resources many do not have. Seems like a first world problem.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
group_list@...

On 01February2025, at 22:00, John Degnan via groups.io <scaler164@...> wrote:

The IO Group's format represents a BACKWARD step in technology instead of a forward step that Facebook (and similar platforms) represents.
Re: The Monon Thoroughbred

 

On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 09:07 PM, Roger Nulton wrote:
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Brooks wrote:? Higher vantage point images are now referred to as "drone shots"...

they didn’t have drones in 1947 ?

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How about a mountain top?? Mountains in MONON land?? Tend to doubt it, but maybe.......? Ed L.
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Los Altos, CA
Re: The Monon Thoroughbred

 

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Brooks, they didn’t have drones in 1947 ?

Roger

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brooks Stover via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 9:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The Monon Thoroughbred

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Roger,


Higher vantage point images are now referred to as "drone shots"...and they're all the rage!

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Real railroads now look like layouts on YouTube!


Brooks
Re: Posting Only On Facebook

 

Just one (long winded) comment I'd like to make from right field on this topic ...
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The IO Group's format represents a BACKWARD step in technology instead of a forward step that Facebook (and similar platforms) represents. The IO platform is, as was the old Yahoo Groups, loosely based on what was once called a "BBS" back in my younger days (the early to late 1980s)... BBS being the acronym for Bulletin Board Service.? Even back then, one could upload photos and other files to certain "SUBS" of a BBS, and then other users could download those files from the subs of the BBS... BUT... those files could NOT be VIEWED on the BBS.? There was not visual representation ("thumbnail") image... just a TEXT name of the file to be downloaded, saved on a floppy disk, then "loaded" (later) for viewing at home once the user was offline.? This is essentially what we have in the IO platform... just slightly more modernized, and a hell of a lot faster!
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On the other hand... Facebook, and similar platforms CAN display images and files instantaneously, on screen, without the need of downloading (or "SAVING") the file to our PCs. So, essentially... by sticking with the IO and old Yahoo type platforms, we're actually keeping with archaic technology instead of keeping up with MODERNity.
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Is that what we want for S scale?? To always be a step (or two, or more) behind... even in the new forms of MEDIA that we use to expose our scale to the masses?? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with IO's tried-and-true platform... hell, I still to this day have my old Commodore 64 computer system on which I ran my very own BBS... and it all still works!? But it is no longer my link to the world, and it has not been since about 1989.
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But to tie all that in with our topic - I suppose a similar connection could be made between how the continuation of American Flyer's archaic products (until just recently) hasn't helped much (if any) to promote S scale to today's modelers... but I won't flog that dead horse topic again.? I'll just end by saying the same thing I've been saying for many years - S scale MUST mature!? It cannot DRIVE into the future or THRIVE in that future by being stuck in the past.? And like it or not... platforms like Facebook are FAR superior to IO... and they are FAR more popular with today's newer generations.? That is an undeniable reality.
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John D
Scaler164
Ex-Sys-Op of "The Orient" BBS (1987-1989)
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Re: FS: South Wind NYC Combine

 

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My thoughts,? come from our benefits in getting so many new models.? At one time I owned a Super Scale 65' combine--this model f? copper sides

That puzzles me, as I'd have thought the combine was the most versatile of all passenger equipment, although perhaps that is just me, with my interest?
in?branch and short?line railroading where mixed service was so common.? The first (and until very recently) my only Kinsman passenger car kit was the combine.
And the NYC prototype is so generic-seeming as to suit almost any road that didn't use their own distinctive pattern.

I have a wonderful book from the ATSF historical society, titled something like Passenger, Coach, and Cabbage?about Santa Fe branch line passenger service, often with just a steel combine.

Jace Kahn


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob Werre <bob@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 2:49 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] FS: South Wind NYC Combine
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That's quite a discovery Jace!? Seems that the lonely combine has often been a step child.? When they first were imported, I obtained one.? I then had the opportunity to buy an entire train of the newly painted? models.? As expected, the coaches went in a heartbeat, then the baggage.? The RPO, obs and combine took awhile. My personal roster was 'good' until I decided I needed a change which left me without a combine--I was after a short train with just a RPO, baggage and combine.? At one of the conventions, Jettie put me together with one that was lettered on one side!? So again I'm happy with my little train.? I've operated on a ATSF HO layout where a combine was standard for a mixed train, so it's an ideal situation fairly often.? And just a few years earlier, I'd be jumping on it!?

Also those trucks have some of the best rolling qualities I've experienced!?

Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
I discovered I'd accumulated three of these, which is at least one more than I need.? Mint condition, never run.
Great for mixed trains.
Asking $175 and shipping

Jace Kahn
Re: Unique Southern Pacific AC-5 Cab Forward 4-8-8-2 for sale

 


Looks like a procedure for using one of the great?Hartoy bodies?on an M2 chassis. ?Take a body from one of the 1930s Hartoy trucks that would be rare in the 50s?


Sent from my Tardis

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Ted Larson
trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org??????? --------???????
GN in 1965
Re: S scale comments........

 

Take a look at 3D Central Trains table at Amherst or its website. ?There is a lot of niche modeling going on in HO. ?
Ben Trousdale?
Re: Posting Only On Facebook

 

Regarding?

?(managed by Chris Burger on behalf of the NASG; ~1,300 members)
? ?
What is NASGs purpose for this? ??


Sent from my Tardis

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Ted Larson
trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org??????? --------???????
GN in 1965
Re: It's Official: No More Flyer

 

On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 03:12 PM, Andrew Parker wrote:
Ed,? I kid you.? ?I'm really an S scale lifer.
OK..........the joke is on me.? I took you too literally.? Welcome back !!? Now, what can I sell you next?? I need deeds, not words.? I will admit to being rather saddened to hear about an S scale guy moving to a smaller scale.? That makes no sense at all to me.? Moving to a larger scale makes a lot of sense to me.? But maybe that is just me.? Who knows......?? ?SSSSmiling Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA
Re: It's Official: No More Flyer

 

Ed,? I kid you.? ?I'm really an S scale lifer.? ?However I did recently visit an N scale layout.? ?It was interesting.? ? Very small but interesting.

Alway S,?

Andrew

On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 11:28:32 PM PST, Ed Loizeaux <loizeaux@...> wrote:


On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 06:30 PM, Andrew Parker wrote:
Sorry Ed,? as much as I love all the stuff I have bought from you I'm now switching to Z guage.
Andrew.........I, for one, will miss you and all the future purchases we might have transacted.? I have operated on only one Z scale layout, but I must admit it is a totally new perspective on things.? Z scale does offer a "big picture" opportunity missing in the larger scales.? Have fun.........Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA
1881 - 1900 of 176980