I don't get it. I put files on Thingiverse. STL's are resizable. I usually put "S Scale" in the title or description so S Scalers can find it. If some O Scaler wants to scale it up and use it, fine.
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As an example, I created a drawing for a fuel tank for the AM GP-35. You can search Thingiverse for "GP-35 Fuel Tank" and it shows up. In case you are not familiar with Thingiverse: When the main image shows up, you can click on a 3D button, and then rotate the view to see the part from any angle. I don't think Peter is going to replicate that. If some O scaler or (God forbid) some HO scaler wants a GP-35 tank drawing, he or she is not going to find it on the NASG website.
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Realize, too, that lots of models have multiple stl's. My "S Scale passenger car detail parts" has 15 stl files (so far), photos of completed assemblies using them, etc. That would be a big job to replicate.
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I would think at the most, Peter could create an index to files that were stored in repositories. Then it is totally up to the author to mange the access.
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-Michael Eldridge
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Swapping out the OM trucks with other trucks is quick and easy, if you have them on hand.
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For my silly pleasure I want to save the rotating end caps, which is the only reason I designed and made the replacement truck bolster.
Ben Trousdale?
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Scott, would you please contact me privately by email?
Thanks.
John Degnan Scaler164
I absolutely support the writer¡¯s position regarding NOT sharing STL files.? Within this group, several times I have put in a lot of research and time creating an STL for several people in this group, only to find it later on their Shapeways or other site for sale, with no attribution.? No longer will I provide any designs or STL files for anyone, except for a very select few . ? ? Wow, this blew up quickly. I would think it would be clear that those who do not wish to share files, would not do so. Any more than we would expect people to share an article for NASG for free if the person intended it for MR or?RMC.? I would suggest that there are already sites designed for STL?file sharing, ¡°Thingiverse¡± for one. It might be a better fit for NASG to have a place to list files, maybe a picture and/or short description, and a link to where the file is available (all to be supplied by the creator, not Peter). That saves us sorting through all the content on multiple sites. Possibly an indicator for free vs. paid files. Those who make printed products only available would continue to list them on?NASG as any other product, the 3D printing aspect being irrelevant at that point. Pieter Roos
? On Friday, December 27, 2024, 8:50 AM, jim@... wrote: Peter:
You said, " I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the? NASG
web site that are not in the public domain"
That's a serious mistake. If a copyright owner puts a copyrighted work
into the Public Domain (CC-0), then anyone can use it for any purpose,
including making copies commercially without paying a royalty to the
creator. As I suggested yesterday, it would be far better to apply a
CC-BY-NC license which would allow anyone to use the work for their
personal use, but requires a separate license from the creator for
commercial use.
None of this is complicated. In the US, all works created after March
1989 have an automatic copyright and all you have to do to license a
work is to add the phrase "CC-BY-NC" to it wherever it appears.
Jim
On 2024-12-26 14:48, Peter Vanvliet wrote:
> Group,
>
> I would be happy to provide a way to share .stl files on the NASG web
> site...
>
> ...HOWEVER...
>
> that would ONLY EVER BE DONE with the full blessing of the owner of
> the .stl file. If he/she wants to make it available in the public
> domain, I'd be happy to do so (and provide a good way to list and
> access them), but I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the
> NASG web site that are not in the public domain.
>
> *Everything* that is sent to me for, possible, inclusion on the NASG
> web site is "vetted" by me for copyright ownership. This includes
> files, documents, images, etc. (manufacturers' photos and images are
> excluded, as they get free "advertising" via a link to their site and
> News announcements in return for my using their photos and images on
> our web site).
>
> We currently have zero .stl files stored on the NASG web site or its
> server.
>
> - Peter (as NASG webmaster).
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
> owner, Fourth Ray Software
> Houston, Texas
>
> (personal web site)
>
>
>
>
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I absolutely support the writer¡¯s position regarding NOT sharing STL files.? Within this group, several times I have put in a lot of research and time creating an STL for several people in this group, only to find it later on their Shapeways or other site for sale, with no attribution.? No longer will I provide any designs or STL files for anyone, except for a very select few . ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pieter Roos via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2024 9:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] STL File Sharing? Wow, this blew up quickly. I would think it would be clear that those who do not wish to share files, would not do so. Any more than we would expect people to share an article for NASG for free if the person intended it for MR or?RMC.? I would suggest that there are already sites designed for STL?file sharing, ¡°Thingiverse¡± for one. It might be a better fit for NASG to have a place to list files, maybe a picture and/or short description, and a link to where the file is available (all to be supplied by the creator, not Peter). That saves us sorting through all the content on multiple sites. Possibly an indicator for free vs. paid files. Those who make printed products only available would continue to list them on?NASG as any other product, the 3D printing aspect being irrelevant at that point. Pieter Roos
? On Friday, December 27, 2024, 8:50 AM, jim@... wrote: Peter:
You said, " I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the? NASG
web site that are not in the public domain"
That's a serious mistake. If a copyright owner puts a copyrighted work
into the Public Domain (CC-0), then anyone can use it for any purpose,
including making copies commercially without paying a royalty to the
creator. As I suggested yesterday, it would be far better to apply a
CC-BY-NC license which would allow anyone to use the work for their
personal use, but requires a separate license from the creator for
commercial use.
None of this is complicated. In the US, all works created after March
1989 have an automatic copyright and all you have to do to license a
work is to add the phrase "CC-BY-NC" to it wherever it appears.
Jim
On 2024-12-26 14:48, Peter Vanvliet wrote:
> Group,
>
> I would be happy to provide a way to share .stl files on the NASG web
> site...
>
> ...HOWEVER...
>
> that would ONLY EVER BE DONE with the full blessing of the owner of
> the .stl file. If he/she wants to make it available in the public
> domain, I'd be happy to do so (and provide a good way to list and
> access them), but I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the
> NASG web site that are not in the public domain.
>
> *Everything* that is sent to me for, possible, inclusion on the NASG
> web site is "vetted" by me for copyright ownership. This includes
> files, documents, images, etc. (manufacturers' photos and images are
> excluded, as they get free "advertising" via a link to their site and
> News announcements in return for my using their photos and images on
> our web site).
>
> We currently have zero .stl files stored on the NASG web site or its
> server.
>
> - Peter (as NASG webmaster).
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
> owner, Fourth Ray Software
> Houston, Texas
>
> (personal web site)
>
>
>
>
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 06:18 AM, J. Kindraka wrote:
An additional alternative is described here (Page 25):
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Pretty much what I did, except I cut off the back end of surplus SHS Flyer compatible couplers.
Rich G(ajnak)
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An additional alternative is described here (Page 25):
Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 7:52?AM Hans von Draminski via <hvdjournal= [email protected]> wrote: Addendum: The original pseudo scale wheels have axles that measure 1.28 mm. The new Hirail wheels have about 1.21 to 1.23 with corresponding bearings. To roll freely, the inner diameter of the bearings, 2nd and 3rd run, has to be a tiny bit bigger. I'd preferred a drill with a 1.4 diameter but couldn't find it in our local hardware shop. But the slightly bigger one did the job good enough. As important as widening the bearings is widening the truck itself. Has someone tried SMM's roller bearing trucks? Regarding their HP those have fine details and a stunning look. But I've never seen them in person. Changing the complete truck seems to be the fastest solution to get away from the "high water" appearance. But to do those well made Lionel cars right the trucks should be of adequate quality. Still sad they didn't continue this line...
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Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans
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Wow, this blew up quickly.
I would think it would be clear that those who do not wish to share files, would not do so. Any more than we would expect people to share an article for NASG for free if the person intended it for MR or?RMC.?
I would suggest that there are already sites designed for STL?file sharing, ¡°Thingiverse¡± for one. It might be a better fit for NASG to have a place to list files, maybe a picture and/or short description, and a link to where the file is available (all to be supplied by the creator, not Peter). That saves us sorting through all the content on multiple sites. Possibly an indicator for free vs. paid files.
Those who make printed products only available would continue to list them on?NASG as any other product, the 3D printing aspect being irrelevant at that point.
On Friday, December 27, 2024, 8:50 AM, jim@... wrote: Peter:
You said, " I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the? NASG
web site that are not in the public domain"
That's a serious mistake. If a copyright owner puts a copyrighted work
into the Public Domain (CC-0), then anyone can use it for any purpose,
including making copies commercially without paying a royalty to the
creator. As I suggested yesterday, it would be far better to apply a
CC-BY-NC license which would allow anyone to use the work for their
personal use, but requires a separate license from the creator for
commercial use.
None of this is complicated. In the US, all works created after March
1989 have an automatic copyright and all you have to do to license a
work is to add the phrase "CC-BY-NC" to it wherever it appears.
Jim
On 2024-12-26 14:48, Peter Vanvliet wrote:
> Group,
>
> I would be happy to provide a way to share .stl files on the NASG web
> site...
>
> ...HOWEVER...
>
> that would ONLY EVER BE DONE with the full blessing of the owner of
> the .stl file. If he/she wants to make it available in the public
> domain, I'd be happy to do so (and provide a good way to list and
> access them), but I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the
> NASG web site that are not in the public domain.
>
> *Everything* that is sent to me for, possible, inclusion on the NASG
> web site is "vetted" by me for copyright ownership. This includes
> files, documents, images, etc. (manufacturers' photos and images are
> excluded, as they get free "advertising" via a link to their site and
> News announcements in return for my using their photos and images on
> our web site).
>
> We currently have zero .stl files stored on the NASG web site or its
> server.
>
> - Peter (as NASG webmaster).
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
> owner, Fourth Ray Software
> Houston, Texas
>
> (personal web site)
>
>
>
>
|
Peter:
You said, " I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the NASG web site that are not in the public domain"
That's a serious mistake. If a copyright owner puts a copyrighted work into the Public Domain (CC-0), then anyone can use it for any purpose, including making copies commercially without paying a royalty to the creator. As I suggested yesterday, it would be far better to apply a CC-BY-NC license which would allow anyone to use the work for their personal use, but requires a separate license from the creator for commercial use.
None of this is complicated. In the US, all works created after March 1989 have an automatic copyright and all you have to do to license a work is to add the phrase "CC-BY-NC" to it wherever it appears.
Jim
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On 2024-12-26 14:48, Peter Vanvliet wrote: Group,
I would be happy to provide a way to share .stl files on the NASG web site...
...HOWEVER...
that would ONLY EVER BE DONE with the full blessing of the owner of
the .stl file. If he/she wants to make it available in the public
domain, I'd be happy to do so (and provide a good way to list and
access them), but I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the
NASG web site that are not in the public domain.
*Everything* that is sent to me for, possible, inclusion on the NASG
web site is "vetted" by me for copyright ownership. This includes
files, documents, images, etc. (manufacturers' photos and images are
excluded, as they get free "advertising" via a link to their site and
News announcements in return for my using their photos and images on
our web site).
We currently have zero .stl files stored on the NASG web site or its server.
- Peter (as NASG webmaster).
--
Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 04:52 AM, Hans von Draminski wrote:
Has someone tried SMM's roller bearing trucks? Regarding their HP those have fine details and a stunning look. But I've never seen them in person. Changing the complete truck seems to be the fastest solution to get away from the "high water" appearance.
Haven't tried SMM's trucks, but here's the AM truck vs the corrected Lionel truck with swapped scale wheels and bearings.? Yah, I know AM's not a 100 ton truck, but it's good 'nuf in my opinion.? Plus it's what I had on hand.
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Rich G(ajnak)
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Addendum: The original pseudo scale wheels have axles that measure 1.28 mm. The new Hirail wheels have about 1.21 to 1.23 with corresponding bearings. To roll freely, the inner diameter of the bearings, 2nd and 3rd run, has to be a tiny bit bigger. I'd preferred a drill with a 1.4 diameter but couldn't find it in our local hardware shop. But the slightly bigger one did the job good enough. As important as widening the bearings is widening the truck itself. Has someone tried SMM's roller bearing trucks? Regarding their HP those have fine details and a stunning look. But I've never seen them in person. Changing the complete truck seems to be the fastest solution to get away from the "high water" appearance. But to do those well made Lionel cars right the trucks should be of adequate quality. Still sad they didn't continue this line...
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Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans
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Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
Another opinion:
If you yourself are intending to use your STL files commercially -- or license their commercial use -- then you should not freely license them. But if not, then why not offer them with a CC-NC license ().
Others could then make use of them, which is certainly a good thing for the hobby which does no harm to your pocketbook and some good to your ego. Any potential commercial user would have to be very stupid to use them without a license from you as the product would soon turn up in the NASG Product Gallery and you would be able to collect royalties.
Jim Woodward
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On 2024-12-26 10:27, drgw223 via groups.io wrote: FYI .stl files are intellectual properties. Unless the originator of
the file chooses to make them part of the public domain, use or reuse
of them can present liability issues for the NASG or anyone misusing
them. I would recommend that the NASG not get involved with file
sharing unless they have a legal review first. Once out there, they
would be nearly impossible to control even if restrictions were placed
on the use of the file (i.e., no commercial use, etc.)
The person or persons who generated the file likely spent a great deal
of time generating the file and I for one would not grant uncontrolled
use of my files.
Bob Frascella
On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 1:48?PM Ted Larson via groups.io [2]
<mhrreast@...> wrote:
Seems it would be nice to have a place on the NASG website to share
stl files?
Sent from my Tardis
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Ted Larson
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[4] /mt/110276779/8833729
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[6] /g/S-Scale/editsub/8833729
[7] /g/S-Scale/leave/13753356/8833729/1349165266/xyzzy
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Caterpillar Tractor Projects Interest
Group,
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I am sending this out to determine interest in having S scale tractors available.
There are three items of interest, which might be fabricated by SierraWest Scale Models, if there is enough interest.
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The first two items are already in SierraWest Scale Models¡¯s inventory in HO and O scales; that would be the Best Sixty tractor and the Hyster logging arch.? The cost in S scale would likely be in between the HO and O scale cost, so about $60 for the tractor and $50 for the logging arch.
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ITEM 3 is to convert a 1943 Japanese Komatsu bulldozer to a Caterpillar Diesel 50 with the LaPlant-Choate hydraulic blade (kit produced 2010).? I bought the kit from HobbyLinc for about $15.? https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32565/index.html
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I put a 1:64 ruler to my kit and found the tracks measure about 16¡± wide and the length of the tracks on the ground is about 87¡± which equals the dimensions shown for a Cat D5 (1967 ¨C 1977) on TractorData.? https://www.tractordata.com/industrial-tractors/000/5/9/598-caterpillar-d5.html? That's the closest I could find dimension data for.
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At some point, Backwoods Miniatures (BWM) produced the following conversion kits for this Tamiya model.
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Scroll down about ? to 1/3 on the page and you¡¯ll find the item.? Here is the description from BWM's website.
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¡°NEW! CABLE DOZER and DETAILED ENGINE Conversion for Tamiya's 1/48 scale Japanese Dozer kit.
Here's a useful set of pro-moulded resin parts to 'back date' Tamiya's Dozer kit which has a hydraulic blade. Our kit includes parts for the Cable Blade conversion as well as new hoodless bodyside mouldings with open engine compartment to show off the pre-assembled engine also provided. This kit is perfect for hauling our crawler-tracked trailers. Kit costs ?24 plus postage, including our seated driver figure.¡±
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The one I think is the easiest and closest conversion is the Diesel fifty with LaPlant-Choate blade.
Caterpillar (1925-1949)
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A modeler could use the kit to convert the dozer to either an older cable-pull blade or just change out the engine and keep the LaPlant-Choate hydraulic blade.? So, you have a kit that works in O and S scales.??
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BWM closed up in 2016.? However, Brett might be able to bring this kit back to market if there is enough interest.? Price TBD.
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Therefore, respond to me directly at rjlee_77019@... if you are interested.
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Richard J Lee
Tacoma, WA
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Group,
I would be happy to provide a way to share .stl files on the NASG web site...
...HOWEVER...
that would ONLY EVER BE DONE with the full blessing of the owner of the .stl file. If he/she wants to make it available in the public domain, I'd be happy to do so (and provide a good way to list and access them), but I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the NASG web site that are not in the public domain.
*Everything* that is sent to me for, possible, inclusion on the NASG web site is "vetted" by me for copyright ownership. This includes files, documents, images, etc. (manufacturers' photos and images are excluded, as they get free "advertising" via a link to their site and News announcements in return for my using their photos and images on our web site).
We currently have zero .stl files stored on the NASG web site or its server.
- Peter (as NASG webmaster).
--
Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 09:10 AM, Bob Werre wrote:
Best of all, Ben is sharing his work with the rest of us.? So, what is the problem?? Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA
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Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
Well stated Ben!? Patents, copyrights
exist for a reason!
Bob Werre
On 12/25/24 2:54 PM, Ben via groups.io
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I will not share my STL files, especially in an unregulated
form, because there will be unscrupulous copying without
compensation for my intellectual property.
Ben Trousdale?
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Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
The 3D models I have created, 3 freight car kits, an autorack conversion kit, and several detail and functional parts to enhance or fix, are for sale from 3D Central Trains or from me, Benn Central Shops. ?
All of these projects came about because I wanted something that was not available or to fix a prod deficiency, and took the extra step to share with other S train modelers.
Ben Trousdale?
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Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
FYI .stl files are intellectual?properties. Unless the originator of the file chooses to make them part of the public domain, use or reuse of them can present liability issues for the NASG or anyone misusing?them. I would recommend that the NASG not get involved with file sharing unless they have a legal review first. Once out there, they would be nearly impossible to control even if restrictions?were placed on the?use of the file (i.e., no commercial use, etc.)
The person or persons who generated the file likely spent a great deal of time generating the file and I for one would not grant uncontrolled?use of my files.
Bob Frascella
Seems it would be nice to have a place on the NASG website to share stl files? Sent from my Tardis
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Ted Larson
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GN in 1965
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Re: SSA ACF 3 Bay Covered Hoppers
Pop one of the hatches. Fill with sand til it meets the required weight. Add Great Stuff polyurethane to stabilize.
Good evening,?
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I have purchased several of the SSA ACF 3 bay covered hoppers from Des Plaines.? I noticed the cars are really light and was wondering if anyone has added weights to these cars?? From looking at the bottom of the car I am not sure I can pry the body off.? ?
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I think most of the box cars I purchased are heavy enough but not sure if any can be added.
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Suggestions?
?
Thanks
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Michael Osweiler
Waseca
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SSA ACF 3 Bay Covered Hoppers
Good evening,?
?
I have purchased several of the SSA ACF 3 bay covered hoppers from Des Plaines.? I noticed the cars are really light and was wondering if anyone has added weights to these cars?? From looking at the bottom of the car I am not sure I can pry the body off.? ?
?
I think most of the box cars I purchased are heavy enough but not sure if any can be added.
?
Suggestions?
?
Thanks
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Michael Osweiler
Waseca
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Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
I would gladly share stl files and/or the solid models to NASG members to help a fellow modeler.
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Rob Fuhst
Grand Haven, MI
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Ben
John Degnan
Richard Lee
Bob Werre
SDL39FAN