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开云体育Bob ? I replied directly about wanting your Reading photos. Did you see it? Send a PayPal invoice. ? Thank You, ? See my layout progress at:
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Re: NASG convention
Guys ... at best I could be there on Thursday for a few hours. Not likely I'll make new friends, can't stay overnight, fri - sun just ain't happening. So for me it's admission plus gas (I eat everyday so that's not an extra expense).
?I do have to be at work Friday morning. So it's looking like it may be too much for justb1 day. If there were crazy deala on scale equipment likely to be had, then I just might venture out there. It seems I may have to pass this show up. Thanks for all the input though. |
Re: NASG convention
I'm looking forward to my first NASG Convention...and as a new S Gauger I'm coming with a lot of questions !? It's a 7 hour drive for me.? But isn't that what retirement is all about? On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 9:22 PM Jim & Cheryl Martin via <themartins=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: NASG convention
Hi Ed. I get what you're saying and my use of the word "pessimistic" doesn't imply inaccuracy. Most of us don't think like CPAs or tax accountants when we're behind the wheel. If we did we'd never take pleasure drives. A 340 mile round trip is a miniscule amount in the overall life of an automobile and calculating all the diverse costs per mile as a way of evaluating the worth of a trip gets us where?? For Chris, the upfront cost is just the gas and it's not a lot when weighed against the benefits of attending the Harrisburg convention. Take the drive Chris. have a good time. Cheers Jim Martin. On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:00?PM Ed Loizeaux via <Loizeaux=[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 01:28 PM, Jim & Cheryl Martin wrote: |
Re: Overland F-7 Drive
Bob: OK that is fine and well and Omnicon may have made an F unit drive for the F shells from Enhorning and Wabash Valley BUT my point was that the article for rebuilding and improving the original OMI drives in the OMI brass shell models was the article I was speaking of and also I believe what Jace was looking for. I have 3D printed F unit frames including correct fuel and battery box for F2 conversions for the Enhorning / Wabash Valley F3 shells from files that were done for Tom Lennon b y Doug Miller before he passed on. They use AM FP7 drive components ( gear towers and motors and I use new HobbyTown?U? joints and brass driveshafts? to power them along with new bulkhead ends 3D printed by another modeler and side screen very detailed inserts made by another 3D liquid bath printer that has done a lot of S Scale work for me now. I am in the process of finishing up my first F2 unit. The B&M had 16 F2's to MU with their FT sets.
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Re: Overland F-7 Drive
Whoa is there some strange history there...? Thanks for clarifying the Omnicon F units Bob.? Most folks either don't remember or know that River Raisin was a partnership between Dan Navarre and myself from inception in 1987, until I left the partnership at the end of 2007.? By then I was a corporate nomad, living 3 states away so maintaining things was too complicated.? I still number Dan Navarre as one of my absolute best friends, in or out of model railroading. OMI did the F3 and F7 models, we may have sold some but had nothing to do with the project.? In 1991 we made the FT sets and they had the new or (I prefer) updated drive.? We also made a short run, 50 pieces, of F3/F7 'B' units because people wanted more 'B' units!? At the same time we made 100 redrive kits so existing F3/F7 units would run quieter and match speeds with the FT's.? Everything was delivered in December 1991.? I think Dan posted an all time list of River Raisin projects, versions and dates, on the NASG website when he closed the business.? Somehow everyone loves the website but most people don't go there first for their information!? Model on... Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 7:52?PM Bob Werre via <bob=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Overland F-7 Drive
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Omnicon did indeed put together a drive
for F units.? Actually it had NWSL mechanicals and the revamped
Enhorning/Wabash Shell.? Dick Karnes did a review of it in the
Dispatch.? I owned one for a couple of years but the AM drive won
out overall.? Omnicon did offer several painted versions,but there
weren't any additional details added sort of making the paint job
semi useless.
I also was an owner of a Overland F
unit which I bought at the New Brunswick Convention from a very
short lived company.? It was noisey so Bill Winans cure might have
cured the problem without buying an entirely new chassis.? I
finally went for the RR drive and things are smooh.
Bob Werre
Jace:? NASG Dispatch Magazine? 2016 #1 authored by Andy Mallette. Listed as an F7 by Omnicon which is NOT correct in a search for this article on the NASG website.? As far as I know Omnicon NEVER made an F7 just Overland right at the same time RRM was entering the fold. I think Dan Navarre finished that project from Tom Marsh for us all in S Scale. Dan I know through RRM released the? ? Re-drive kits to cure the issues but they also shared the driveshaft length issue in the gear boxes as I recall. It has been a while sorry for my cobwebs and Thanks to Colin for his reminder that that article appeared in the NASG Dispatch or Despatch magazine. Spelling D X spatch depended on who the editor was at the time.
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Re: Overland F-7 Drive
Jace:? NASG Dispatch Magazine? 2016 #1 authored by Andy Mallette. Listed as an F7 by Omnicon repair which is NOT correct in a search for this article on the NASG website.? As far as I know Omnicon NEVER made an F7 just Overland right at the same time RRM was entering the fold. I think Dan Navarre finished that project from Tom Marsh for us all in S Scale. Dan I know through RRM released the? Re-drive kits to cure the issues but they also shared the driveshaft length issue in the gear boxes as I recall. It has been a while sorry for my cobwebs and Thanks to Colin for his reminder that that article appeared in the NASG Dispatch or Despatch magazine. Spelling D X spatch depended on who the editor was at the time.
I'll see if I can find that issue - I had it at one time when I rebuilt mine. Andy's advice was about spot on. I just found it easier to use a Teflon plastic transistor insulator the correct diameter instead of having to cut out the circular plastic washers in plastic as Andy describes. JACE: UPDATE: I just looked and found the article by Andy Mallette in the NASG Dispatch Mag 2016 #1. If you need me to I can send you a copy. Maybe Bill Winans can recall the article he wrote about the gearboxes for you ! BeSt RegardS Bill Morris NEPrototypes - ALL OF MY S SCALE DECAL SETS are again in stock; email me a PM for list with prices. I am not attending 2024 NASG? in Harrisburg this year due to health issues. PO Box 4-4-2 Rutland. MA 01543-0442 USA email: billmorris52@...? ? TEL: 508-886-4848 before 7PM Eastern time ONLY PLEASE |
Re: Halliburton car
That's great Steve...!? Bring one to Harrisburg for me.? I'm not sure others realize that, while the cars are used a great deal for oil drilling supplies, they are basically a covered hopper with the hopper bays oriented vertically rather than horizontally. Thanks, looks like a fun build. Jim On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 6:31?PM Steve Wolcott via <swolcott=[email protected]> wrote: Pre-Size Model Specialties announces our latest kit.? Along with Rumbling Rails Engineering we present a kit of the Halliburton car.? Constructed in the 1960's to carry dry oil drilling chemicals these cars roamed over all of North America.? Due to the complexity of this kit and the fact that custom etchings of roof walks and ladders are included I have to set the price at $129.? Decals are included, trucks and couplers are not. |
Re: EMD FT in Demo Paint Colors.....
Hi Ed, Would you consider $325 for the EMD FT locos? Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:31:34 PM EDT, Ed Loizeaux <loizeaux@...> wrote:
Gents......... Here is another former bare brass beauty which has been cosmetically improved with the addition of paint, custom decals, crew, decoder (silent), head light, couplers, etc.? Mechanically, it has the upgraded RRM drive (thanks again, Jim & Dan) which, in my opinion, is well worth it.? Demo diesels ran all over the place strutting their stuff and attempting to win orders.? It probably ran on your prototype. More photos upon request for serious inquiries.? ? As usual, make your best reasonable offer and see if it makes me happy.? If so, the box will be on its way quickly, Email preferred.? Phone works.? ? Loizeaux //? aht // SBC // Global? ?daht? // net? ? ? ?1-650-962-1577 Thanks.......Ed L. -- Ed Loizeaux Los Altos, CA |
Halliburton car
Pre-Size Model Specialties announces our latest kit.? Along with Rumbling Rails Engineering we present a kit of the Halliburton car.? Constructed in the 1960's to carry dry oil drilling chemicals these cars roamed over all of North America.? Due to the complexity of this kit and the fact that custom etchings of roof walks and ladders are included I have to set the price at $129.? Decals are included, trucks and couplers are not.
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EMD FT in Demo Paint Colors.....
Gents......... Here is another former bare brass beauty which has been cosmetically improved with the addition of paint, custom decals, crew, decoder (silent), head light, couplers, etc.? Mechanically, it has the upgraded RRM drive (thanks again, Jim & Dan) which, in my opinion, is well worth it.? Demo diesels ran all over the place strutting their stuff and attempting to win orders.? It probably ran on your prototype. More photos upon request for serious inquiries.? ? As usual, make your best reasonable offer and see if it makes me happy.? If so, the box will be on its way quickly, Email preferred.? Phone works.? ? Loizeaux //? aht // SBC // Global? ?daht? // net? ? ? ?1-650-962-1577 Thanks.......Ed L. -- Ed Loizeaux Los Altos, CA |
Re: NASG convention
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 01:28 PM, Jim & Cheryl Martin wrote:
Gasoline costs in Penn are less than four bucks a gallon.? If your vehicle gets between 25.30 mpg, total fuel costs should not be more than 50 - 60 bucks.Jim.........With all due respect, gasoline is not the only cost of driving a car.? Ask the IRS.? Things like tires, brakes, oil changes, etc. all wear out due to driving around.? ?The less obvious items like depreciation, insurance, appearance, etc. are all related to driven miles as well.? The IRS has added it all up for us to be about 67 cents per mile.? A small econo-car will be a bit less.? A monster truck-like vehicle can be a lot more.? Worth thinking about.? Cheers........Ed L. ? -- Ed Loizeaux Los Altos, CA |
Re: NASG convention
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As an old skinflint Yankee, I pass up the hotel dining area: there is a Panera perhaps a hundred yards behind the hotel, and a Friendly's not much further.? I did treat myself to the banquet (food was very good) for the auction (and because my ride was staying
until the next morning)
Jace Kahn
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jim & Cheryl Martin <themartins@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 4:28 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention ?
HI Chris.
I find Ed's cost estimates somewhat pessimistic. Before I break my estimated costs down, and as one who enjoys driving, a distance of a mere 170 miles is no reason to pass up a chance to make new S scale
friends. So. assuming you have to budget time and expenses, here's how I would do one day of the convention.:
That's how I'd plan things but that's just me.
I'd like to wish all of my American friends a happy Independence Day and say how sorry I am that I've had to change my plans to attend Harrisburg. Have fun.
Jim Martin
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 1:40?PM Jamie Bothwell via
<jamie.bothwell610=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: NASG convention
HI Chris. I find Ed's cost estimates somewhat pessimistic. Before I break my estimated costs down, and as one who enjoys driving, a distance of a mere 170 miles is no reason to pass up a chance to make new S scale friends. So. assuming you have to budget time and expenses, here's how I would do one day of the convention.:
That's how I'd plan things but that's just me. I'd like to wish all of my American friends a happy Independence Day and say how sorry I am that I've had to change my plans to attend Harrisburg. Have fun. Jim Martin On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 1:40?PM Jamie Bothwell via <jamie.bothwell610=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: NASG convention
I will not be attending as travel is too difficult for me at my age>? Pete Silcox On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 2:47?PM Bill Lane via <bill=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Keeping kleen!
This is low tech and old school...get yourself a feather duster. I use one to lift the dust into the air and into the path of my shop vac nozzle. Make sure the vac has a decent filter and loop the hose over your shoulder so that it doesn't flop onto any delicate layout details. The feather duster can contact quite fine details without harming them. Jim Martin On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 2:11?PM Michael Fox via <foxmjc=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: NASG convention
开云体育I guess I don’t get the hit n run aspect of attending. The selling room is unlike anything else for sure. For me the NASG convention was 99% family reunion. Unfortunately many regular attendees have passed. ? Of course it adds to the expense but stay a while and meet your S friends. If there is a 2025 it will almost surely not be 170 miles away from you. ? Thank You, ? See my layout progress at:
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Re: NASG convention
开云体育For many years I thought of the NASG
convention as the hi-lite of my summer and routinely
attended.--(then I got old)? I've always enjoyed the tours, the
auction, the clinics, sometimes a great meal or two, and sure, the
sales tables too.? I never thought of searching for bargains as a
big motivation although some cash always seems to disappear into
other's hands.?
I've only driven to three conventions?
while flying to the rest and Amtrak for two!? As always, I've
never put a price on travel as an expense but an opportunity to
see the country and perhaps catch a train or two.? Most, in this
neck of the woods would think of your trip as being a moderate
distance.?
Probably the best part is making long
term friendships that could be renewed each year.? The downside of
that is that, if you don't renew often enough, those personal
contacts end--but never over disagreements!??
I hope the conventions will not become
just another trainshow!
Bob Werre
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