Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
I would be careful with assuming dd will work in macOS. I have not tried on this particular image but have tried on others. Even though there are different *nix flavors, the filesystem needs to be supported. I previous tried on a Pi project I had I could not use dd because the image I needed to write was not on a format the Mac supported. I use Balena Etcher on my Mac. It provides a nice interface that makes creating bootable SD cards a breeze.
Carlos
N3RDR
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On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:48 AM, chuck gelm <rpi4ham@...> wrote:
On 6/30/20 11:53 PM, John Nicholas wrote:
So what is the difference between dd on Linux and Balena Etcher?
W3DJS recommends Balena Etcher. Is this because dd only works on Linux and he is working with people working on Mac or PC?
JN
Hi, John:
Mac-OS uses the commercial OS, Unix (circa 1965).
Linux is, kinda, cloned from Unix.
Linux is original code, but does behaves exactly the same as Unix (Mac-OS).
Conversely, Mac-OS will do everything that Linux-OS does.
Mac users have 'dd' already installed.
So, 'balena-etcher' may be only for Windows users.
Windows 10 now includes the Linux kernel, so 'dd' is available to Windows users.
Chuck
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
On 6/30/20 11:53 PM, John Nicholas wrote: So what is the difference between dd on Linux and Balena Etcher?
W3DJS recommends Balena Etcher. ? Is this because dd only works on Linux and he is working with people working on Mac or PC?
JN Hi, John: ?Mac-OS uses the commercial OS, Unix (circa 1965). Linux is, kinda, cloned from Unix. Linux is original code, but does behaves exactly the same as Unix (Mac-OS). Conversely, Mac-OS will do everything that Linux-OS does. Mac users have 'dd' already installed. So, 'balena-etcher' may be only for Windows users. Windows 10 now includes the Linux kernel, so 'dd' is available to Windows users. Chuck
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
On 6/30/20 9:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE
wrote:
Just use dd on Linux to copy
the .img file to the SD card.?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 18:30
Bob Knight < bob@...> wrote:
It's
executable as-is.
"./balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage"
Takes a while to come up as it checks for updates and what
not.
Thanks,
Bob
KI5EJI
On 6/30/20 7:25 PM, chuck gelm wrote:
> I got: '
> Etcher for Linux x64 (64-bit) (AppImage)
John:
?Are you replying to me 'Chuck' or to Bob K8EJI ?
If me, I did not end up with a .img file.
Here is the contents of folder HamPi v1.0 by W3DJS :
total 3.7G
4.0K CONTRIBUTE.TXT
3.7G HamPi_v1.0.img.xz
4.0K HamPi_v1.0.img.xz.sha256sum
4.0K HOW_TO_FLASH_IMAGE.TXT
4.0K LICENSE.TXT
456K README.docx
?12K README.TXT
4.0K UPGRADE_FROM_W3DJS_IMAGE.TXT
See, there is no '.img' file.
What is '.xz' ?
At 1st try, tar does not seem to recognize it.
Aside for author: Those spaces in the folder name are awkward
for me;
/HamPi v1.0 by W3DJS
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Chuck
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
Hi,
hampi 1.0 could not boot on a 32 Gb SSD and RPi 4.
No link available for hampi 2.0 ! A torrent source would be? nice.
Why not use GitHub for hosting the project ?
Question : is DRAWS hat supported by this distro ?
Thanks,
Bernard, f6bvp
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:39 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Have to search the forums
I tried that and failed (even though the Raspberry Pi Foundation had said that is where it would be announced). ? -- Stewart G0LGS
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:35 PM, N5XMT wrote:
You have to extract the .tar file
I found that out after copying the .tar file to somewhere I could open it - it would have been better if the instructions made it clear that tihs process was required. ? -- Stewart G0LGS
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Re: Help with TNC9k6 setup
Mark
I'm still having issues with version 2. As mentioned?before I can't log in via terminal to turn on shh or vnc.
73
Don va7dgp Another Don
On Tue., Jun. 30, 2020, 9:25 p.m. Mark Griffith via <mdgriffith2003= [email protected]> wrote:
Don,
I would not mess with the settings in any of the files on the PiGate image.? They are all there specifically to work with the TNC-Pi2 or TNC-Pi9k6 and if you make changes, it may not work.? I also wouldn't mess with any of the OS parameters, like turning the serial ports on or off.? Everything is setup correctly and it's really a plug and play image.? All you need to do is the initial setup outlined in detail in the docs.
If you have made changes, and you don't remember how to put them back exactly as before, just copy a new image to the SD card.
Mark KD0QYN
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:08:56 PM CDT, Don Munson < w4gfq@...> wrote:
That makes sense.? I just tip toed my way in a clean flash of PIGATE and could not get the parameters (again) even though I had shell through serial off.? I traced the error (I LOVE GOOGLE!) to the AX25 director and AXPorts.? Turned off the TNC line rebooted and got parameters ¨C so it is still there LOL.? BUT I did find the TNC line and went ¨C hmm bet that would help! ? So now I¡¯m off to read up on the AXPorts file and how to set that up. ? Slowly but surely I¡¯m going to win this skirmish. ? Thanks for the response and being there as needed. ? Don, W4GFQ ? The TNC-Pi9k6 appears on the serial port as a KISS TNC modem.? Only software that "speaks" the KISS protocol can us it.? That would be one of the packet software suites, like Pat, linbpq, PiGate, APRS, etc. Use one of those programs to unlock the "secrets" of the TNC. On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 9:08:43 PM CDT, Don Munson <w4gfq@...> wrote: Mat ? I purchased the pre-built board off Etsey that is intended to be a ¡°hat¡± to the Pi.? It is on the GPIO pins and lights up properly when the PI boots.? I can get the parameters from the board so I know it is connected and communicating at least at that level.? But my question becomes ¨C now what? ? I can¡¯t find any references to how it gets configured, what software to use, how to use it, etc.? I have put the KM4ACK Build a Pi on a card and have pieces of it working, but frankly I don¡¯t know (or can¡¯t find?) enough information on how to connect APRS (for example) to the TNC board.? I tried to list serial ports on the board and get nothing back (as in there are no serial ports?) But I have serial ports enabled. ? At this point I¡¯m looking for how I could connect YAAC (for example) from the PI and set up a serial connection to the TNC in an attempt to get an APRS signal to a radio and audio back. ? Also from your comment the Teensy board is loaded, how to I look at those directories to see that software from the RPI interface? I¡¯m assuming the TNC talks to the Pi to permit viewing those directories somehow? ? As you can see I¡¯m relatively lost. ? Don, W4GFQ ? ? Depending on which board you purchase the appropriate firmware is pre loaded.? For instance if you get a TNC configured with the Raspberry PI headers then it has firmware loaded to interact with the PI using the GPIO pins set aside for serial communications (19200 baud btw).? If you get the "stand alone" TNC then the firmware loaded is for that specific configuration.
I have tested our TNC's with Mark's PiGate image and I don't recall having to change any settings.
One other item.? You can find pre-compiled binary's for the TNC9k6 on our site:?
Mat
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
dd is a decades old 'Nix command line program for copying data bit for bit - dd stands for disk duplicate - and it is pure command line. I wouldn't recommend it to a Linux newbie, too much chance of choosing the wrong destination drive and overwriting critical data in an unfamiliar environment. Balena Etcher has a GUI with much less chance of making mistakes, and it can auto uncompress some files on the fly. That action is a separate step with dd.
I use both of them, been using Linux since 1994 (and still learning), but Balena is easy when I get lazy.
Ray vk2tv
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On 1/7/20 1:53 pm, John Nicholas wrote: So what is the difference between dd on Linux and Balena Etcher?
W3DJS recommends Balena Etcher. ? Is this because dd only works on Linux and he is working with people working on Mac or PC?
JN
On Jun 30, 2020, at 8:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE <john@... <mailto:john@...>> wrote:
Just use*dd*on Linux to copy the .img file to the SD card.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 18:30 Bob Knight <bob@... <mailto:bob@...>> wrote:
It's executable as-is.
"./balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage"
Takes a while to come up as it checks for updates and what not.
Thanks,
Bob
KI5EJI
On 6/30/20 7:25 PM, chuck gelm wrote:
> I got: '
> Etcher for Linux x64 (64-bit) (AppImage)
>
> Linux
>
> x64
>
>
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91645506 Jun 22 09:18
> balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage
> drwxr-xr-x 2 gelmce gelmce??????? 4096 Jun 23 21:23 'HamPi v1.0
by W3DJS'
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91128472 Jun 30 21:05
> balena-etcher-electron-1.5.100-linux-x64.zip
>
>? ?I do not know how to use or install
'balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage'.
>
> I have been using linux since 1993 and have never seen an
'.AppImage'
> file before.
>
> Help!
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
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Re: Help with TNC9k6 setup
Don,
I would not mess with the settings in any of the files on the PiGate image.? They are all there specifically to work with the TNC-Pi2 or TNC-Pi9k6 and if you make changes, it may not work.? I also wouldn't mess with any of the OS parameters, like turning the serial ports on or off.? Everything is setup correctly and it's really a plug and play image.? All you need to do is the initial setup outlined in detail in the docs.
If you have made changes, and you don't remember how to put them back exactly as before, just copy a new image to the SD card.
Mark KD0QYN
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:08:56 PM CDT, Don Munson <w4gfq@...> wrote:
That makes sense.? I just tip toed my way in a clean flash of PIGATE and could not get the parameters (again) even though I had shell through serial off.? I traced the error (I LOVE GOOGLE!) to the AX25 director and AXPorts.? Turned off the TNC line rebooted and got parameters ¨C so it is still there LOL.? BUT I did find the TNC line and went ¨C hmm bet that would help! ? So now I¡¯m off to read up on the AXPorts file and how to set that up. ? Slowly but surely I¡¯m going to win this skirmish. ? Thanks for the response and being there as needed. ? Don, W4GFQ
From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Griffith via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:28 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Help with TNC9k6 setup ? The TNC-Pi9k6 appears on the serial port as a KISS TNC modem.? Only software that "speaks" the KISS protocol can us it.? That would be one of the packet software suites, like Pat, linbpq, PiGate, APRS, etc. Use one of those programs to unlock the "secrets" of the TNC. On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 9:08:43 PM CDT, Don Munson <w4gfq@...> wrote: Mat ? I purchased the pre-built board off Etsey that is intended to be a ¡°hat¡± to the Pi.? It is on the GPIO pins and lights up properly when the PI boots.? I can get the parameters from the board so I know it is connected and communicating at least at that level.? But my question becomes ¨C now what? ? I can¡¯t find any references to how it gets configured, what software to use, how to use it, etc.? I have put the KM4ACK Build a Pi on a card and have pieces of it working, but frankly I don¡¯t know (or can¡¯t find?) enough information on how to connect APRS (for example) to the TNC board.? I tried to list serial ports on the board and get nothing back (as in there are no serial ports?) But I have serial ports enabled. ? At this point I¡¯m looking for how I could connect YAAC (for example) from the PI and set up a serial connection to the TNC in an attempt to get an APRS signal to a radio and audio back. ? Also from your comment the Teensy board is loaded, how to I look at those directories to see that software from the RPI interface? I¡¯m assuming the TNC talks to the Pi to permit viewing those directories somehow? ? As you can see I¡¯m relatively lost. ? Don, W4GFQ ? ? Depending on which board you purchase the appropriate firmware is pre loaded.? For instance if you get a TNC configured with the Raspberry PI headers then it has firmware loaded to interact with the PI using the GPIO pins set aside for serial communications (19200 baud btw).? If you get the "stand alone" TNC then the firmware loaded is for that specific configuration.
I have tested our TNC's with Mark's PiGate image and I don't recall having to change any settings.
One other item.? You can find pre-compiled binary's for the TNC9k6 on our site:?
Mat
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Re: Help with TNC9k6 setup
That makes sense.? I just tip toed my way in a clean flash of PIGATE and could not get the parameters (again) even though I had shell through serial off.? I traced the error (I LOVE GOOGLE!) to the AX25 director and AXPorts.? Turned off the TNC line rebooted and got parameters ¨C so it is still there LOL.? BUT I did find the TNC line and went ¨C hmm bet that would help! ? So now I¡¯m off to read up on the AXPorts file and how to set that up. ? Slowly but surely I¡¯m going to win this skirmish. ? Thanks for the response and being there as needed. ? Don, W4GFQ
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Griffith via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:28 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Help with TNC9k6 setup ? The TNC-Pi9k6 appears on the serial port as a KISS TNC modem.? Only software that "speaks" the KISS protocol can us it.? That would be one of the packet software suites, like Pat, linbpq, PiGate, APRS, etc. Use one of those programs to unlock the "secrets" of the TNC. On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 9:08:43 PM CDT, Don Munson <w4gfq@...> wrote: Mat ? I purchased the pre-built board off Etsey that is intended to be a ¡°hat¡± to the Pi.? It is on the GPIO pins and lights up properly when the PI boots.? I can get the parameters from the board so I know it is connected and communicating at least at that level.? But my question becomes ¨C now what? ? I can¡¯t find any references to how it gets configured, what software to use, how to use it, etc.? I have put the KM4ACK Build a Pi on a card and have pieces of it working, but frankly I don¡¯t know (or can¡¯t find?) enough information on how to connect APRS (for example) to the TNC board.? I tried to list serial ports on the board and get nothing back (as in there are no serial ports?) But I have serial ports enabled. ? At this point I¡¯m looking for how I could connect YAAC (for example) from the PI and set up a serial connection to the TNC in an attempt to get an APRS signal to a radio and audio back. ? Also from your comment the Teensy board is loaded, how to I look at those directories to see that software from the RPI interface? I¡¯m assuming the TNC talks to the Pi to permit viewing those directories somehow? ? As you can see I¡¯m relatively lost. ? Don, W4GFQ ? ? Depending on which board you purchase the appropriate firmware is pre loaded.? For instance if you get a TNC configured with the Raspberry PI headers then it has firmware loaded to interact with the PI using the GPIO pins set aside for serial communications (19200 baud btw).? If you get the "stand alone" TNC then the firmware loaded is for that specific configuration.
I have tested our TNC's with Mark's PiGate image and I don't recall having to change any settings.
One other item.? You can find pre-compiled binary's for the TNC9k6 on our site:?
Mat
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
So what is the difference between dd on Linux and Balena Etcher?
W3DJS recommends Balena Etcher. ? Is this because dd only works on Linux and he is working with people working on Mac or PC?
JN
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On Jun 30, 2020, at 8:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE < john@...> wrote:
Just use?dd?on Linux to copy the .img file to the SD card.? On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 18:30 Bob Knight < bob@...> wrote: It's executable as-is.
"./balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage"
Takes a while to come up as it checks for updates and what not.
Thanks,
Bob
KI5EJI
On 6/30/20 7:25 PM, chuck gelm wrote:
> I got: '
> Etcher for Linux x64 (64-bit) (AppImage)
>? ? ? ?
> Linux
>? ? ? ?
> x64
>?
>?
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91645506 Jun 22 09:18??
> balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage
> drwxr-xr-x 2 gelmce gelmce??????? 4096 Jun 23 21:23 'HamPi v1.0 by W3DJS'
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91128472 Jun 30 21:05?
> balena-etcher-electron-1.5.100-linux-x64.zip
>?
>? ?I do not know how to use or install 'balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage'.
>?
> I have been using linux since 1993 and have never seen an '.AppImage'?
> file before.
>?
> Help!
>?
> Chuck
>?
>?
>?
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Re: Help with TNC9k6 setup
Don,
The TNC-Pi9k6 appears on the serial port as a KISS TNC modem.? Only software that "speaks" the KISS protocol can us it.? That would be one of the packet software suites, like Pat, linbpq, PiGate, APRS, etc.
Use one of those programs to unlock the "secrets" of the TNC.
Mark KD0QYN
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 9:08:43 PM CDT, Don Munson <w4gfq@...> wrote:
Mat ? I purchased the pre-built board off Etsey that is intended to be a ¡°hat¡± to the Pi.? It is on the GPIO pins and lights up properly when the PI boots.? I can get the parameters from the board so I know it is connected and communicating at least at that level.? But my question becomes ¨C now what? ? I can¡¯t find any references to how it gets configured, what software to use, how to use it, etc.? I have put the KM4ACK Build a Pi on a card and have pieces of it working, but frankly I don¡¯t know (or can¡¯t find?) enough information on how to connect APRS (for example) to the TNC board.? I tried to list serial ports on the board and get nothing back (as in there are no serial ports?) But I have serial ports enabled. ? At this point I¡¯m looking for how I could connect YAAC (for example) from the PI and set up a serial connection to the TNC in an attempt to get an APRS signal to a radio and audio back. ? Also from your comment the Teensy board is loaded, how to I look at those directories to see that software from the RPI interface? I¡¯m assuming the TNC talks to the Pi to permit viewing those directories somehow? ? As you can see I¡¯m relatively lost. ? Don, W4GFQ ?
From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mat Murdock Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:15 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Help with TNC9k6 setup ? Depending on which board you purchase the appropriate firmware is pre loaded.? For instance if you get a TNC configured with the Raspberry PI headers then it has firmware loaded to interact with the PI using the GPIO pins set aside for serial communications (19200 baud btw).? If you get the "stand alone" TNC then the firmware loaded is for that specific configuration.
I have tested our TNC's with Mark's PiGate image and I don't recall having to change any settings.
One other item.? You can find pre-compiled binary's for the TNC9k6 on our site:?
Mat
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Re: Help with TNC9k6 setup
Mat ? I purchased the pre-built board off Etsey that is intended to be a ¡°hat¡± to the Pi.? It is on the GPIO pins and lights up properly when the PI boots.? I can get the parameters from the board so I know it is connected and communicating at least at that level.? But my question becomes ¨C now what? ? I can¡¯t find any references to how it gets configured, what software to use, how to use it, etc.? I have put the KM4ACK Build a Pi on a card and have pieces of it working, but frankly I don¡¯t know (or can¡¯t find?) enough information on how to connect APRS (for example) to the TNC board.? I tried to list serial ports on the board and get nothing back (as in there are no serial ports?) But I have serial ports enabled. ? At this point I¡¯m looking for how I could connect YAAC (for example) from the PI and set up a serial connection to the TNC in an attempt to get an APRS signal to a radio and audio back. ? Also from your comment the Teensy board is loaded, how to I look at those directories to see that software from the RPI interface? I¡¯m assuming the TNC talks to the Pi to permit viewing those directories somehow? ? As you can see I¡¯m relatively lost. ? Don, W4GFQ ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mat Murdock Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:15 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Help with TNC9k6 setup ? Depending on which board you purchase the appropriate firmware is pre loaded.? For instance if you get a TNC configured with the Raspberry PI headers then it has firmware loaded to interact with the PI using the GPIO pins set aside for serial communications (19200 baud btw).? If you get the "stand alone" TNC then the firmware loaded is for that specific configuration.
I have tested our TNC's with Mark's PiGate image and I don't recall having to change any settings.
One other item.? You can find pre-compiled binary's for the TNC9k6 on our site:?
Mat
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
Just use dd on Linux to copy the .img file to the SD card.?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 18:30 Bob Knight < bob@...> wrote: It's executable as-is.
"./balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage"
Takes a while to come up as it checks for updates and what not.
Thanks,
Bob
KI5EJI
On 6/30/20 7:25 PM, chuck gelm wrote:
> I got: '
> Etcher for Linux x64 (64-bit) (AppImage)
>? ? ? ?
> Linux
>? ? ? ?
> x64
>
>
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91645506 Jun 22 09:18?
> balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage
> drwxr-xr-x 2 gelmce gelmce??????? 4096 Jun 23 21:23 'HamPi v1.0 by W3DJS'
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91128472 Jun 30 21:05
> balena-etcher-electron-1.5.100-linux-x64.zip
>
>? ?I do not know how to use or install 'balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage'.
>
> I have been using linux since 1993 and have never seen an '.AppImage'
> file before.
>
> Help!
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
It's executable as-is.
"./balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage"
Takes a while to come up as it checks for updates and what not.
Thanks,
Bob
KI5EJI
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On 6/30/20 7:25 PM, chuck gelm wrote: I got: '
Etcher for Linux x64 (64-bit) (AppImage)
Linux
x64
-rwxr-xr-x 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91645506 Jun 22 09:18 balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage
drwxr-xr-x 2 gelmce gelmce??????? 4096 Jun 23 21:23 'HamPi v1.0 by W3DJS'
-rw-rw-r-- 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91128472 Jun 30 21:05 balena-etcher-electron-1.5.100-linux-x64.zip
?I do not know how to use or install 'balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage'.
I have been using linux since 1993 and have never seen an '.AppImage' file before.
Help!
Chuck
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
I got: '
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Etcher for
Linux x64 (64-bit) (AppImage)
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Linux
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x64
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-rwxr-xr-x 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91645506 Jun 22
09:18? balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage
drwxr-xr-x 2 gelmce gelmce??????? 4096 Jun 23 21:23
'HamPi v1.0 by W3DJS'
-rw-rw-r-- 1 gelmce gelmce??? 91128472 Jun 30 21:05?
balena-etcher-electron-1.5.100-linux-x64.zip
?I do not know how to use or install
'balenaEtcher-1.5.100-x64.AppImage'.
I have been using linux since 1993 and have never seen an
'.AppImage' file before.
Help!
Chuck
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
The obvious answer is CHOICE. Less obvious to newcomers to the 'Nix world is that tar has been around a long time (since 1979) and has a proven record of reliability, performance and scriptability to automate complex needs. tar by itself is only a packaging program originally used to back up data to tape - tar stands for Tape ARchieve - but it can also use various compression programs such as gz, bz2 and xz, those compression formats being introduced in that order to provide increasingly greater compression ratios. I don't know if tar handles rar because it's not a format that appeals to me, but it handles the others natively.
Which program is "best" will create endless discussion. The real question should be "which is best for the individual user, what suits that person's needs, their skill level, or previous experience with a particular method. The simplest program may appeal to some and the most complex will appeal to others. It's all about personal choice, just like the operating system that individuals choose to use.
Trying to apply diplomatic reasoning,
Ray vk2tv
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On 1/7/20 12:45 am, N5XMT wrote: Why have a dedicated tar program when 7zip does zip, bz2, tar, xz, rar etc?
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You should not have to use 7zip. There are several implementations
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Tar - open source, 7zip ?
Why have a dedicated tar program when 7zip does zip, bz2, tar, xz, rar etc?
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On Jun 30, 2020, at 07:19, Dave Wade < dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
You should not have to use 7zip. There are several implementations of TAR for Windows.
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On Jun 30, 2020, at 00:00, "Stewart Wilkinson via " <g0lgs.co.uk@ target=_blank>stewart.g0lgs=@> wrote:
I see a problem !
The instructions refer to a file called? HamPi_v1.0.img.xz and opening it in Etcher, but the download is called HamPi_v1.0.tar !
The latest Etcher (V1.5.100) does NOT open .tar files?
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
Tar - open source, 7zip ?
Why have a dedicated tar program when 7zip does zip, bz2, tar, xz, rar etc?
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On Jun 30, 2020, at 07:19, Dave Wade < dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
You should not have to use 7zip. There are several implementations of TAR for Windows.
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You have to extract the .tar file with 7zip
On Jun 30, 2020, at 00:00, "Stewart Wilkinson via " <g0lgs.co.uk@ target=_blank>stewart.g0lgs=@> wrote:
I see a problem !
The instructions refer to a file called? HamPi_v1.0.img.xz and opening it in Etcher, but the download is called HamPi_v1.0.tar !
The latest Etcher (V1.5.100) does NOT open .tar files?
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73 de WB8DXX Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL
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Re: HamPi WAS: W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
7zip is great by the way. It will both handle the .gz and the .tar to get to the image. And using 7zip, for me, is primarily just right clicking on the file to extract Here, or into it's own folder, or to open. Pretty intuitive to me.
For those not familiar the purpose of tar is to bind several files into one and the purpose of gz is to compress it. This is the Linux way.
HamPi is a Linux operating system, so...tar.gz makes the most sense.
Chris Grant KA0ZRW Ravensdale, WA
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:07 PM John D Hays - K7VE < john@...> wrote: Trying for maximum compression.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:47 AM Bill Vodall < wa7nwp@...> wrote: Why not just use zip which is everywhere. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 9:22 AM Dave wrote:
I personally find 7zip un-intuitive?
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