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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
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??? Speaking of Culver City here's an old film from 1952 that I recently ran across.? The film is of very high quality so I assume it must have run on local television.? Maybe some of you here know more of the details of how this film came about.
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Randall Cook
Indianapolis, IN
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
I think Don Noel raced with no alias. I actually met Don once in the 1990's at his son's body shop in west Los Angeles. I got to say Don must have had access to the Fountain of Youth. He looked like he did in 1957. Absolutely no aging. Truly remarkable. The others you mention I think they are different people, but I say that no real access to any of my research materials.
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Thomas Luce Manhattan Beach CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
Of course, there is the Facebook groups "Gardena Stadium" and "Culver City Stadium" which has a ton of pictures on the CJA. Bob Mitchell Simi Valley CA USA
On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 01:57:30 PM PDT, Bill Blaylock <william.blaylock500@...> wrote:
Here are some Jalopy links I found.? The first shows a restored jalopy that is a veteran of CJA and is now part of a family collection.? ? ? . ? The second is a Library of Congress reference to a collection of 22 photos from 1954 that were taken at Culver City by a Look magazine photographer (you cannot bring up the photos on the link; have to contact the LOC).? ?
? ? The third is a two minute clip on a jalopy race at Balboa Stadium in San Diego. ? Bill Blaylock -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA |
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CJA - California Jalopy Association
Here are some Jalopy links I found.? The first shows a restored jalopy that is a veteran of CJA and is now part of a family collection.? ? ? . ? The second is a Library of Congress reference to a collection of 22 photos from 1954 that were taken at Culver City by a Look magazine photographer (you cannot bring up the photos on the link; have to contact the LOC).? ?
? ? The third is a two minute clip on a jalopy race at Balboa Stadium in San Diego. ? Bill Blaylock -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Chuck, thanks for answering Bill. Interestingly, at one point, Culver City was alternating races for CJA jalopies with PRA hardtops. What makes it difficult to sort out is many of the same drivers appear in the results for both. And, yes, there were often disputes over how "stock" stock was.
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The jalopies were the So Cal mainstays, while Central and Northern California primarily ran "Hardtops."
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And, Bill, thanks for the kind words. Most of my research of late has been compiling short track results.
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Jim Thurman Lancaster CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Thanks to all who have replied on the CJA queries, I really appreciate the help!
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Tom, after I'd asked, I found results (from Lincoln Park) that listed Ben Snyder.
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One other driver I'm curious about, I've seen a "Don Paul" listed. Was there a Don Paul, or did the newspapers just get Don Noel wrong?
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One more I wonder about: Ralph Slape and Ralph Cripe. Typo or two different drivers?
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Similarly, am I assuming correctly that "Phil" Wilkerson is Billy, and "Walt" Sorenson is Warren?
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Newspaper research turns up some very interesting spelling variations.
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Jim Thurman Lancaster CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
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Bill, the jalopies of the CJA were mostly Model A and Model B fords with flathead V-8s for power.? I still shudder to think of all the "Little Deuce Coupes" that ended their life this way.? They would be worth a fortune today!? The class of car that you mentioned
racing in TX were usually referred to as "Hardtops" because they utilized 1937 and later cars that?had the full steel top construction.? The rules varied by different associations, but the Ford in a Ford was a pretty universal rule.? ?Most of these groups
started out as strictly stock, but that probably lasted until the second race.
Chuck Fawcett
Westminster, CA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
My father (Otto) saw the Talbots at Langhorne in '41, later Duntov (Talbot) and Red Byron (Duesenberg/Ford) would stay at his house in N. Philadelphia when they ran Langhorne AAA races (Otto ran there with D. Wilson's Stutz Bearcat).
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Otto crewed for Duntov at Indy in '46 and for Red Byron in '47....these pictures are of Duntov at Indy in '47 (Chinetti who knew the car well helped that year).?
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Roger Linton
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI would like to thank both Al Isselhard and Roger Linton for their help on identifying my two photographs of Talbots. Their confirmation together with what I already knew solve the whole riddle for me. ?Much appreciated!All the best, Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette West Linn OR USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
My water damage to a lifetime of private photos and most of my jalopy research has suffered to profound water exposure, even when they are in plastic tubs and covered by a tarp. To say it's catastrophic would be an understatement. When I was doing my research I heard similar stories. In fact during the downsizing, I had hours of unseen 8mm color home movies of jalopy races that I gave to another racing fan for safe keeping. I hope he has a good dry storage spot for them.
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Thomas Luce Manhattan Beach CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Bob, Tom and Bob,?
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Thanks! Great information. Tom, I have your CJA book, but it is packed tightly away in an overstuffed closet after a quick, chaotic move to a far smaller place last year. So, Tom, I really hear you on the downsizing and damage. Too well really.?
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Jim Thurman Palmdale CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Kudos to you guys for creating and publishing a historical account for these drivers and tracks. Question:? What were the rules for the cars?? My impression from those types of events in Texas back in the 1950s is that the cars were basically six cylinders?and flatheads in a pre-war chassis that had to match the engine (a Ford had to run a Ford engine).? What could they do to the motors?? I remember that Honest Charley's catalog advertised a 3/4 inch stroker kit for the basic full size flathead (not the V-8 60).? And he also advertised a cheater cam for flatheads that retained Ford markings (as if none of the pit stewards could use a dial indicator!!!). Again, on behalf of all the people who will appreciate your work 50 years from now, thanks. Bill Blaylock Dallas On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 11:42?AM Bob Mitchell via <bob.mitchell56=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBill Mitchell was a different driver. He raced the same period. I¡¯m out of town so I don¡¯t have access to a couple articles on Termite which gives his real name. Same with Fuzzy. If it¡¯s not answered I will check my records Tuesday.Bob Mitchell? Simi Valley, Ca On Oct 3, 2024, at 12:22?PM, Jim Thurman <jim.thurman@...> wrote:
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
1956 alias names?
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Thomas Luce Manhattan Beach CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
"Termite" Snyder's real first name was "Ben". The others you listed I really don't know. In my book I have a long list of racers who performed under an alias, but I put the book back in storage. I guess I'll dig it out again. I will support you all I can. Even a 95+% success rate for Culver City will be a tremendous historical find. My mind beckons me back to the day in the early 1990's when the Culver City Speedway property was reduced to flat dirt for redevelopment and a real estate agent let me in thru a locked gate. It was surreal on an epic level, to dream about the racing jalopies, the pits, and everything else.? This would have been a great moment in a Hollywood movie!!!
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Thomas Luce Manhattan Beach CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Tom and Jim -
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Here are th results I have for CJA at Balboa Stadium
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There were also 2 CJA stock car events at Cajon Speedway in 1962:
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06/02/1962 Clem Proctor
07/07/1962? Marvin Heinis
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Hope this helps.
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 02:34 PM, Thomas Luce wrote:
To do the same research for Culver City speedway nowadays would require many trips to a library that had the Los Angeles Times or Culver City newspaper on microfilm. Not an impossible task but very time consuming. The years would be 1949-1954. The CJA mostly raced on Sundays, but, for a period of time, switched to Saturday night. I hope this small amount of information is of use to you. Tom,
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I've already compiled most of it, at home! So many newspapers are available online now. The Times was great about covering the Sunday afternoon races, and the main part of the Saturday night season, but the period where they overlapped, not so good. The Saturday night programs were often ignored during that time. The Venice Vanguard newspaper filled in some early races. Unfortunately, the Culver City newspaper only has a few editions online, so to fill in the rest, I would have to visit the Culver City Historical Society.
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Jim Thurman Palmdale CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Tom,
Excellent! Thanks. By any chance, what was "Termite" Snyder's given first name? Some results have "Terry." ?
Was Fuzzy Anderson's real first name, Wendell?
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I have a Bill Mitchell in Culver City results. Is that a different Mitchell, or was that Clyde (Bob?)
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Was it George Deveney or George Deveny??
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Jim Thurman Palmdale CA USA |
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
From my research that included microfilms from the Los Angeles Times from 1954-1963 and just pertaining to Gardena Stadium/Western Speedway, the results hold up, as stated. There were about 5% of races with no newspaper results. That was about 19 races with no posted results in 9 years. Not included are results from Huntington Beach, Orange Show Riverside, Balboa Stadium San Diego, or other tracks the CJA made visits to.
To extrapolate the missing 19 results from the listed drivers, each driver may well have an additional one or two victories at Gardena during 1954-1963
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Thomas Luce Manhattan Beach CA USA |
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