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Something i'm noticing with the irish type II tree. Hoping someone can help it make sense If i look on FTDNA at someone that is tested as R-BY39363 It shows i am 5 Genetic steps away from them and 4 genetic steps away from R-FT95639 to me this seems to suggest i'm in the wrong location of the tree or R-FT95639 might not have branched from R-BY39363 or some sort of other mutation problem lol anyways, tell how wrong i am since i dont know thanks!! Me> R-FT43021 (delacy) 1185 A.D.? 5 steps away from R-BY39363 1330 A.D.? 4 steps away from R-FT95639 1355 A.D. ? Thanks Dave

I have just published an update of my Irish Type II tree and its associated Mutation Block Age Table. As usual, these will be found on the McCarthy Surname Study Scrapbook site at https://mccarthydna.wordpress.com/. (Please do not attempt to join this study though, unless you are a male McCarthy). The number of Big Y-700 tests contributing to the age computation now stands at 430. With respect to the previous (27 August) issue, the following sheets ONLY have been updated in this 30 September issue: Sheet 9 (Z16259: Donovan and Regan) Sheets 10-11 (A151) Sheet 13 (L270 Sullivan, sheet 2 of 2) Sheet 15 (FGC17180 O'Donoghue and A2224) Sheet 21 (A664) Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy

James I have followed the group’s messages for several years, read Nigel’s Paper, Elizabeth’s Paper and studied Nigel’s Tree and Block Tree. I think I have a very good understanding of my distant past. I have two matches, Matt Ryan, FTA4098 and Peter Ryan, FTA42485. We are on Page 17 of Nigel’s Tree. Patrick Reidy born 1795 in Castleisland is the last ancestor I can document. I came across an item in the Casey Collection, Volume 6 which traces the origins of O’Reidy to Ua Riada, Chief of Aradh in 1129. I also found several references to Ua Riada in the Annals For Munster where he is mentioned as the King of Aradh in 1129. Of specific interest was the theft of Ua Riada’s gold drinking horn from the High Altar of the Great Church of Cluin-Mic-Nois in 1129. I split off A726 around 803 AD, DYS 449 around 851 AD, DYS446 around 906 AD and the first mutation of my block around 960 AD with a MRCA about 1122 AD. Given that my family name is Reidy and Nigel’s Tree dates coincide with my mutation dates, is it a reasonable possibility that there is a connection between myself and Ua Riada? I look forward to hearing your thoughts about this. John C Ready Jr Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS

Hello everyone, I wanted to take the opportunity to introduce myself! My name is Jackie, and I'm the manager of my brother's DNA (Sean Donavan). We're from Illinois, USA. Sean's haplogroup is R-A2294, which was interesting to see as we've always thought we were of Scots-Irish descent. Our oldest known paternal line ancestor was Robert Donavan. Robert was born 11 Jun 1744 in Ireland. He died 26 Nov 1823 in Lurgan Township, Franklin County, Pennsylvania, USA. Robert immigrated with his brother, John, to the USA from Warrenpoint, County Down, Ireland 15 Jul 1763 and arrived in New Castle 10 Oct 1763. They left two siblings: a sister (Jane Donavan Wilkinson) and a brother, William Donavan, in Ireland. I'm very eager to explore the Y-DNA connections and learn more about how our Donavans may have ended up in Ulster despite our early roots pointing to Munster. Thanks for having me! -Jackie

Hi guys, Some of you might be interested in this podcast? Ranging from the early medieval period to the Anglo Normans, comparing Cashel with other royal sites in Ireland and Scotland. Some other podcasts on this site may be of interest also? To put some context to the dates identified by Nigel? https://pca.st/episode/5da9f7b9-7f9b-44f1-8d2e-16c2ac4eb7d9 John.

Having now analysed 400 sets of Irish Type II Big Y-700 data, I have updated the above at https://mccarthydna.wordpress.com/ I am aware of a further about 50 results sets published since Big Y-700 was introduced which are yet to be fully analysed. Many of these kits are on the tree, though, and most will be correctly placed. I hope to work through these by the end of the year. In the meantime, if you ensure you have followed James's instructions for depositing results in the Y-DNA Warehouse you will likewise in due course be added to his own "Experimental tree". With its Big Y-700 investigations, FTDNA attempts to extract data for 727 STR mutations in addition to the 111 of its Y-DNA111 test. It does not make this publicly available. For me to determine further mutations specific to your kit among these 727 loci, and present them on my Irish Type II tree on a 'third party site', I consequently require your explicit authorisation. Many of you have already provided me with this. Where this is the case (and I have looked at your Big Y-700 data), the number of STR markers analysed will show (just above your ancestral or present surname and kit number) as: 838 (-n1) 561 (-n2) where n1 and n2 are the number of Panel 6 and Panels 6 + 7 no calls respectively. Where you have NOT authorised me, they will simply show as 111 (or 67 or 37). To provide authorisation please e-mail me directly (i.e. not to the group), at ndmccarthy10 AT gmail.com, one or other of the following messages,as appropriate: My FTDNA kit no. is [XXXXX]. I am happy for Nigel McCarthy's publicly displayed Irish Type II tree to show all relevant information extracted from my Big Y test(s) and/or any other Y-DNA testing I pursue (whatever the sources of the information) alongside my kit number and most distant known paternal ancestor (MDKA) surname. If I have not made my paternal ancestor surname available, I understand that my present surname will be shown unless its omission is explicitly requested. OR The FTDNA kit I manage is [XXXXX]. I have explicit agreement with the supplier of the test that Nigel McCarthy's publicly displayed Irish Type II tree may show all relevant information extracted from his Big Y test(s) and/or any other YDNA testing pursued (whatever the sources of the information) alongside his kit number and most distant known paternal ancestor (MDKA) surname. If he has not made his paternal ancestor surname available, I understand that his present surname will be shown unless its omission is explicitly requested. I acknowledge that ‘explicit agreement’ may be or have been verbal for an immediate family member, or where a kit manager manages the kit supplied by a deceased direct paternal ancestor or brother or son, or has been named as the beneficiary on the Account Settings > Account Information > Beneficiary page of the FTDNA account. In all other cases written permission to use the account as the kit manager finds fit, or similar, must be held. Obviously you substitute the kit number for XXXXX ! Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy

Hi, The warehouse has a new report from the upcoming Studies feature in a good enough place to share here. You must have an account for this link to work, since 4 of the columns must be opted into sharing before it can be open to the public. https://ydna-warehouse.org/study/15103faa-6bec-4144-949e-3ecc85030fad What you will find here is my take on an FTDNA style Y-DNA project STR report. The big difference is there are 7 additional tabs that add in Panels 6 and 7 from Big Y. There's also a tab for the YSEQ Extension panel that allows FTDNA customers to add missing markers to compare with their YSEQ116 panel. Displaying the subgrouping will be in a future release when the ancestral STR signature for the YDNA branches are ready. For now everyone is sorted to match up with the site's tree. Let me know if there are questions or suggestions. Thanks, James Kane PS: There are close to 1000 markers in this report. It takes a little bit to load but isn't much worse than FTDNA's version. I also expect there are a few typos lingering in the panel headers.

I note several of you have been purchasing Big Y-700 BAM files and assume the purpose is to upload them to the Y-DNA Warehouse for James Kane's hi- tech analysis. .All please note this $100 purchase is only necessary if you hadn't ordered an earlier Big Y test before December 2018. Your BAM file should otherwise be available free of charge even for a subsequent Big Y-700 upgrade. If you want James to access your BAM file (however acquired) and upload it to the Warehouse for you (rather than you do it or generate and e-mail him a copy of the BAM file link), you need to give him Advanced Access to your FTDNA account. (This is also required for an Administrator to access your Big Y VCF file). Although my own analyses for my Irish Type II tree do not require BAM file access (or warrant the $100 expenditure), if your BAM file is available I may make use of it for occasional look-ups checking certain details. So if you have a BAM file available I'll appreciate it if you can also give me Advanced Access. FTDNA account Admin access levels are selected under the Project Preferences tab of your FTDNA account. The default is 'Limited Access'. Don't forget to scroll down and save your settings after amending them. Nigel McCarthy

Hello, Everyone. Some of you may have noticed that there has been a quiet change of leadership in our R1b-CTS4466 Plus project. I have retired as team leader of our great team and moved myself to a Co-Administrator role. Paul O'Donnell has graciously assumed the role of team leader to carry us forward. We are all delighted that he has accepted the challenge. We are in able hands. You will have been notified that James Kane has returned to the team. As far as I'm concerned, we have the best team in the World! I hope to send an email to the whole project shortly. Best Wishes, Elizabeth

I've added screen cast demos for all the major submission flows for the YDNA Warehouse for the folks who are more audio/visual learners. https://ydna-warehouse.org/submit Current topics covered: adding a subject to add test data from one or more labs, uploading your STR results from FTDNA, retrieving your VCF and BAM from FTDNA, and linking your YSEQ account. Adding results from Dante or Nebula are much more involved and for now I assume if you have those tests are technical enough to figure it out. :) The associated YouTube channel will have more walk-throughs and explanations of the reporting added as I get time to make them. Let me know if there's anything unclear or could be improved. Thanks, James Kane

John, I apologize for bringing up such an old post, but I HAD to respond to this one as somehow I missed this post this last year. Since this is another R-A151 individual, (and potentially distant family for us A151 folks), I spent several days researching the burial to see what kind of details I could find out, as you can tell a lot about a persons life by how they are laid to rest. After a wild goose chase, I narrowed down the source for Claristown 14 to a series of excavations and archaeological digs that were done in preparation for a new M1 motorway bypass around Drogheda, in Co. Meath, Ireland. The source record for the original DNA source & excavation was traced back to an excavation by Ian Russell in 2001. Excavation details: Burial 14, Skull. Site No. 0086. F401 Reg No. - Habitat: R19.P3.S2 Lic No. 01E039 Description: Skull Burial description: Lintel grave within ring ditch https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mk9pMMUbChzyW8CwVUYgokVL4iv83WBAKdIf3pWXJnw/edit#gid=833626537 If anyone else is interested, this appears to be the article in which CT14's excavation occurred.. I am still searching for this one as I would really like to read it in full: Russell, Ian et al. - Claristown 2: a cemetery and later cairn; excavations for the Drogheda Bypass - M1 Motorway [paper to M1 Seminar, Drogheda, June 2001], XIII (2002) 23–31 In looking for further information, I found the M1 Motorway bypass summary findings has quite an amazing analysis of what was found at Claristown. The burial process indicated that CT14, (if he is the man found in the center of this cairn) was a person of great importance! https://www.tii.ie/tii-library/archaeology/Brochures%20and%20Posters/M1-Northern-Motorway-Drogheda-Bypass-Counties-Meath-and-Louth.pdf Late Iron Age Roundhouse and Ring-Cairn "Underneath a tree planted on a clearance cairn in Claristown a Late Iron Age roundhouse was discovered that had been transformed into a Late Iron Age - Early Medieval ring-cairn monument.This stunning site was set in the middle of a plateau, centrally placed between the Nanny and DelvinRivers looking out towards the Irish Sea. The roundhouse was probably built around 100 – 50 BC with four concentric rings of posts. It was 11.58 m in diameter, had an external drip gully and a porch-hall entrance faced east. Inside, partition walls defined a probable sleeping room, a small ‘waiting room’, a large empty ‘audience chamber’, and a cooking area seen by three hearths. In the possible ‘sleeping room’ a centrally placed sunken hearth contained a buried human infant, dating from first to fourth century AD. The building remained in use for several hundred years until around AD 300 – 400, when it was demolished and a circular layer of stones was laid where the building had stood.Through this platform base, a large stone-lined and stone-filled burial pit was sunk, containing a large human adult male, laid supine, east to west with the head to the west in a very Christian manner. A huge bonfire was then made on the stone platform and many finds and animal bones show a great gathering and much feasting. After this the monument was created by digging a circular trench to contain a palisade made of paired posts and possible wattling. The palisade appeared to act as a revetment holding back an external bank or ring-cairn of stones. Inside the palisade a small central cairn was thrown up. There are obvious similarities in both date and construction between Claristown and the Royal Site at Navan Fort (Site B), Co. Armagh.Was there a similarity in status and function? During the fourth and fifth centuries AD nine Christian style human burials were set immediately outside the main ring-cairn.There were two doublemale burials, both covered with mounds of stone.Two pieces of clear glass, possibly Roman imports, were recovered." I will be looking for the article written about the findings, as I want to confirm which individual is CT14. Based on the descriptions from the source material for Lara Cassidy's paper, CT14 should be our man in the cairn... John James Mesa, AZ

Debbie, Nigel has the split between Lundergan and the Minehans at about 1364, which is fairly late for new Surname generation but possible. Are there any other Lundergan cousins available to you, any other known descendants of William. They would all make perfectly reasonable surrogates for your father. It is hard to judge the viability of older samples, I know of testers who have had old samples successfully tested to BigY700, and testers with fairly recent samples fail. Cheers Paul O’Donnell From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Debbie Starr via groups.io Sent: Monday, 4 July 2022 4:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] New FTDNA Beta Platform and Nigel McCarthy’s Tree Hello Gen-friends, I end up being a lurker in these discussions -- as the knowledge becomes more specific, I feel less able to understand the connections and am grateful for those of you who can focus, persist, and move us all forward! But I am home sick with Covid and it's given me the courage to ask some perhaps silly questions. So my father is R-BY34893. It appears that he is most closely related through his Y to the Minehans -- Francis and Joe. My father is a Lundergan, with his farthest known ancestry William Lundergan born in Tipperary in 1795. I have done the Big Y, but not the new 700 test, and I haven't done SNPs. My dad passed away in 2014, do I only want to do tests that don't waste the sample. I don't have brothers, so this is it. Elizabeth -- should I do any other tests yet? Some of the things I am wondering: - I noticed in one of the charts he is listed as Dal gCas A. How is this different than Dal gCas B? Is he not Irish Type II? - On the Munster colorized chart, the names in the same section are different than the names surrounding him in the R1b-CTS4466 Plus - Y-DNA Classic Chart - How close is our most recent ancestor based on the information? - Why are there no other Lundergans or even Lonergans in these results? And finally, the most puzzling to me is that in none of the dna-informed trees -- ftdna, ancestry, 23 and me -- am I related paternally to anyone, other than my sister, my first cousin, and a half-first cousin through my father's half-sister. Even if there was a "night-time event" (a term I learned last night listening to Mr. Larkin's Youtube presentation from 2013), wouldn't we be related to somebody I didn't know?? Thank you all for the discussions. I enjoyed Elizabeth, Nigel, and Finbar's presentation from nearly a decade ago as well. Warm regards, Debbie (Lundergan) Starr On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 9:40 AM Francis & Susan Minnehan <fransuem718@...> wrote: Thanks Joe, that’s interesting!

Hello, Everyone. When a Forum member posts their first message, it automatically comes to me to approve - a 'spam catcher', no doubt. It's nice to see we have some new posters to the latest thread, and they may have wondered why it took so long to see their note come through. I've been battling a nasty cold over the weekend and haven't been on the computer much. Apologies for the delays for some of you. I hope to return to normal very soon. For now, Elizabeth

I have added my Earliest Known Ancestors in my profile, to the family tree:), and have also made my DNA results and tree public. :)

here is a link i found with lots of names from the last tree i saw. there might be others where data can be extracted and possibly verified MAC CARTHAIGH'S BOOK, Part 1 (1114 A.D.) (obrienclansociety.com) dave