Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
The Book of Invasions (written in the 11th century) says the Partholonians, the second group to settle in Ireland, died from a pestilence. You can¡¯t help but wonder if a plague/pandemic (a real one)
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Elizabeth
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
Nigel, I believe you include STR mutations in those calculations? Hence a smaller rate than for SNPs only. E Sent: 07 September 2021 07:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re:
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Elizabeth
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
In answer to this specific question I am estimating the A212 Block comprising 3 SNPs and 3 STR mutations occurred between 100 and 325 A.D. after which two Robertson kits without the 18 to 19 mutation
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Nigel McCarthy
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
I think Iain¡¯s methodologies are trying to incorporate local recalibration of mutation rates using known pedigrees and the radiocarbon dated samples. Unfortunately, I just haven¡¯t had time to
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James Kane
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
Thanks, James. John, did you have any luck clarifying point 1? Re second point, have the genetic genealogy number crunchers considered trying to adjust their average SNP mutation rates to coincide
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Elizabeth
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
1) I don¡¯t have the raw data for the ancient sample. I someone has the ENA identifier for the data, I can go retrieve it. 2) We can¡¯t really draw conclusions at this time. Radio carbon dating is
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James Kane
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
I see two issues here ¨C 1. I don¡¯t know that we know if the FGC11134 ancient DNA was tested far, if at all, beyond FGC11134 itself. James, you were looking at what raw data you had access to ¨C
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Elizabeth
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
Hi, I didn't say I necessarily agreed with it at all, I'm agnostic on the point. Following the evidence, what you suggest is reasonable N ________________________________ Sent: Monday 6 September 2021
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O'Brien, Neil
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
Neil, A potential contributor to a SNP bottleneck might be the phenomenon known as the 'Late Iron Age Lull'? Discussed briefly (since it antedates his main focus) by Dr Matthew Stout in his 2017 book
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john brazil
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
What does this new?TMRCA mean for?Nigel McCarthy's PHYLOGENETIC ALIGNMENTS WITH GENEALOGIES OF DESCENT FROM AILILL?LOM ? Especially interested about A212.
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CJ
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
*If CTS4466 TMRCA is 250CE then IMO it clearly increases the likelyhood of it being of Irish rather than Welsh origin.* I will point out (again) that FGC11134 (parent of CTS4466) remains were carbon
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Gj3000
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
On final point, if the archaeological evidence doesn¡¯t point to an Iron Age invasion, or if the linguistic evidence doesn¡¯t point to any significant interruption or linguistic revolution in
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O'Brien, Neil
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
On another point, if CTS4466, particularly R-A541, Irish Type II, is the dominant snip marker in the Southwest of Ireland, 250AD might seem a little recent to establish a founder effect. The other
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O'Brien, Neil
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
James, I took ¡®TMRCA: 1050BC [ 2150BC - 0AD 95% confidence using 155 NGS samples ]¡¯ from your http://it2kane.org/matrix/R-FGC11134.html . E Sent: 06 September 2021 17:16 To:
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Elizabeth
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
If we¡¯re agreed that CTS4466 probably didn¡¯t form on the island of Ireland, but in Wales ¨C or perhaps further afield, 250AD would be a significant date. It would mean that the arrival of the
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O'Brien, Neil
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#472
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
I think it probably varies in every line how quickly snips form, or don¡¯t. After a lot of persuasion I managed to arm twist my closest phylogenetic relative to test with me, to branch out our tree.
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O'Brien, Neil
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
The thing about the age estimates is that you only count SNPs that fall inside the regions where there has been work to study the rates of mutations. While there are 20 equivalent SNPs only 15 are
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James Kane
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
Which browser specifically are you using? I only test with Firefox and Webkit regularly. Depending on when you were trying, there was a brief period where the server was running at 100%. It might have
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James Kane
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
To all: This time/SNP thing intrigues me greatly (as I assume it does others). Let¡¯s do a little kindergarden math: Elizabeth notes that James has CTS4466 formed 3,000 ybp and its¡¯ TMRCA at 1,700
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Joe Carroll
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Re: Y-DNA Warehouse Tree Tech Demo
Hello James, when I open the link the page it sometimes freezes and the browser stalls. Windows 10 on a Dell Desktop. My Samsung Android phone appears to work. Can¡¯t wait until you show branch A195
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murramicha1@...
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