Re: U¨ª Liath¨¢in, D¨¦isi, Ogam, Christianity and Britain (particularly Wales)
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Hi Elizabeth,
I have taken the liberty of editing the subject line? again - to distinguish this thread from James's.
No, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the move of the U¨ª Liath¨¢in and the D¨¦isi to Wales and Cornwall in the 3rd / 4th century AD represents the source of all CTS4466 in Wales though it does warrant an examination of other CTS4466 subclades for Welsh-looking surnames and, indeed, those projects that might be associated with the D¨¦isi. Unfortunately many of these latter have been a lot less active than our project and are focused on surnames rather than haplotypes. I agree with you that the tendency is for these mutations to be older than we have thought previously.
I will contact Lara to see what scope there might be to analyse our three samples in more detail.
All the best,
John
On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 11:41 AM Elizabeth < elizabeth@...> wrote: Neill, John, All, ? I am yet to read through all the messages thoroughly, but am I to gather that the discussion is meant to suggest that the move of the Ui Liathain and Deisi to Wales is the source of CTS4466 in Wales, rather than the subclade originating there? ? I know TMRCA/formation dates are fluid, but I still contend that assuming carbon dating is more reliable than statistical analysis of DNA mutations, then based on the dates from Cassidy¡¯s paper, the haplogroups overall are older than is currently being estimated.? Could the two FGC11134 gents in Fermanagh and Sligo, separated by over 300 years, be the very first men of that mutation?? How likely/coincidental could that be?? ? And, as I¡¯ve point out, we don¡¯t know if those samples were or could be tested for further downstream mutations.? Some sample were probably better quality than others and/or some were tested more deeply. The A151 sample is considerably younger, hence probably of better quality.? I can¡¯t help but wonder that if more funds had been available for this project, would deeper testing have been done.? And on from that, if more funds were made available, would they do more.? I certainly would contribute to have the three samples of interest to us be tested more deeply. ? John, with your interactions with Lara, do you think there is any possibility that providing funding would produce more testing? ? Elizabeth ? ? ? Hello, Neill. ? This is indeed a significantly long missive, which I will read through, though it may take a while¡
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