Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Thank you, Doug and Ron. This is very different from the dipoles I grew up with. But with the HOA restrictions, these are looking like the right way to go. I am going to start a new thread because I do have more follow-up questions.
73, Jim (W2JGK)
My friend Dan K6FJ and I made two mag loop antennas for me and he has several for himself.
On my larger loop I work the hams on the Queen Mary on 80m.
I was running 5 watts out of my ICOM 703.? It was field day 2020 in Ca.? I made 3 contacts in about 3 minutes once.
My loop dies not have a vacuum capacitor so you must keep power low.? I only run QRP on HF anyway.
Mag loops are directional and tune very sharply.
I made a stand for the large loop and we have a remote tuner designed that works with either loop.
Good luck
Ron WD6CIM AE
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024, 12:26 AM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: I've never owned but have friends who do. I've helped them set them up and I have used them.
They work very well, especially on the upper bands.
They are very high Q.
They can be very stealth.?
The only real downfall is that they're expensive.
If you want more info, contact me directly.
Bio & email good on my QRZ page.
Doug Pelley WB7TUJ Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- Date: 12/28/24 00:03 (GMT-07:00) Subject: Re: [QueenCreekHams] Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Hi Guys,
I live in Queen Creek and am considering a getting a magnetic loop antenna and placing it outside. Have any of you guys used one?
73, Jim Hello All,
I'm in the process?of buying?a house in QC, and the antenna in question would be a huge part of the deal so I can install my shack.?
I currently live in Gilbert and CC&R from my HOA (City Property) prohibits the installation of any Ham radio antennas, which I'm bypassing by hiding them in a flag pole, (Which can't be higher than the tallest structure approved in my house) and behind walls so they are not visible from the outside. Unfortunately, I'm not able to reach anywhere on VHF/UHF, and my listening test in HF was also really poor since I can't put my dipole high enough
All your comments have been extremely helpful, Joe taught me there's an ordinance from Queen Creek, unfortunately,?due to the family being sick I haven't been able to follow up but I will.?
I really appreciate all the comments, and for sure I will compile all the info and share my experience once the deal is done so we can learn together if there's anything else to share,
Thanks again, 73 Vince - W7HMO
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 5:01?PM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: Here¡¯s a trick that has been used around the country and has had quite a bit of success from what I¡¯ve heard. It only pertains to VHF / UHF FM. ? Install a dual band antenna such as an X50, X300 etc. And for honesty, only use it only in the FM mode, no AM, or anything digital like DMR, Fusion, etc. ? When the Gestapo comes to your door enquiring what you have, you tell them ¡°It¡¯s for FM radio¡± and say nothing else. You¡¯re being completely 100% honest saying that as long as you¡¯re only using the FM mode. ? Should they question it, have a Channel Mastr or other brand name FM broadcast antenna catalog handy and show them the largest / ugliest FM antenna in the catalog and say to them, ¡°Well¡. I could take it down and replace it with this¡±.? ? From what I¡¯m told, they usually walk away with that. ? Good luck ? ? ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? ? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj=[email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
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Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
My friend Dan K6FJ and I made two mag loop antennas for me and he has several for himself.
On my larger loop I work the hams on the Queen Mary on 80m.
I was running 5 watts out of my ICOM 703.? It was field day 2020 in Ca.? I made 3 contacts in about 3 minutes once.
My loop dies not have a vacuum capacitor so you must keep power low.? I only run QRP on HF anyway.
Mag loops are directional and tune very sharply.
I made a stand for the large loop and we have a remote tuner designed that works with either loop.
Good luck
Ron WD6CIM AE
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024, 12:26 AM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: I've never owned but have friends who do. I've helped them set them up and I have used them.
They work very well, especially on the upper bands.
They are very high Q.
They can be very stealth.?
The only real downfall is that they're expensive.
If you want more info, contact me directly.
Bio & email good on my QRZ page.
Doug Pelley WB7TUJ Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- Date: 12/28/24 00:03 (GMT-07:00) Subject: Re: [QueenCreekHams] Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Hi Guys,
I live in Queen Creek and am considering a getting a magnetic loop antenna and placing it outside. Have any of you guys used one?
73, Jim Hello All,
I'm in the process?of buying?a house in QC, and the antenna in question would be a huge part of the deal so I can install my shack.?
I currently live in Gilbert and CC&R from my HOA (City Property) prohibits the installation of any Ham radio antennas, which I'm bypassing by hiding them in a flag pole, (Which can't be higher than the tallest structure approved in my house) and behind walls so they are not visible from the outside. Unfortunately, I'm not able to reach anywhere on VHF/UHF, and my listening test in HF was also really poor since I can't put my dipole high enough
All your comments have been extremely helpful, Joe taught me there's an ordinance from Queen Creek, unfortunately,?due to the family being sick I haven't been able to follow up but I will.?
I really appreciate all the comments, and for sure I will compile all the info and share my experience once the deal is done so we can learn together if there's anything else to share,
Thanks again, 73 Vince - W7HMO
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 5:01?PM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: Here¡¯s a trick that has been used around the country and has had quite a bit of success from what I¡¯ve heard. It only pertains to VHF / UHF FM. ? Install a dual band antenna such as an X50, X300 etc. And for honesty, only use it only in the FM mode, no AM, or anything digital like DMR, Fusion, etc. ? When the Gestapo comes to your door enquiring what you have, you tell them ¡°It¡¯s for FM radio¡± and say nothing else. You¡¯re being completely 100% honest saying that as long as you¡¯re only using the FM mode. ? Should they question it, have a Channel Mastr or other brand name FM broadcast antenna catalog handy and show them the largest / ugliest FM antenna in the catalog and say to them, ¡°Well¡. I could take it down and replace it with this¡±.? ? From what I¡¯m told, they usually walk away with that. ? Good luck ? ? ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? ? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj=[email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
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Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
I've never owned but have friends who do. I've helped them set them up and I have used them.
They work very well, especially on the upper bands.
They are very high Q.
They can be very stealth.?
The only real downfall is that they're expensive.
If you want more info, contact me directly.
Bio & email good on my QRZ page.
Doug Pelley WB7TUJ Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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-------- Original message -------- From: "James Kahn via groups.io" <jimmykahn62@...> Date: 12/28/24 00:03 (GMT-07:00) Subject: Re: [QueenCreekHams] Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Hi Guys,
I live in Queen Creek and am considering a getting a magnetic loop antenna and placing it outside. Have any of you guys used one?
73, Jim Hello All,
I'm in the process?of buying?a house in QC, and the antenna in question would be a huge part of the deal so I can install my shack.?
I currently live in Gilbert and CC&R from my HOA (City Property) prohibits the installation of any Ham radio antennas, which I'm bypassing by hiding them in a flag pole, (Which can't be higher than the tallest structure approved in my house) and behind walls so they are not visible from the outside. Unfortunately, I'm not able to reach anywhere on VHF/UHF, and my listening test in HF was also really poor since I can't put my dipole high enough
All your comments have been extremely helpful, Joe taught me there's an ordinance from Queen Creek, unfortunately,?due to the family being sick I haven't been able to follow up but I will.?
I really appreciate all the comments, and for sure I will compile all the info and share my experience once the deal is done so we can learn together if there's anything else to share,
Thanks again, 73 Vince - W7HMO
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 5:01?PM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: Here¡¯s a trick that has been used around the country and has had quite a bit of success from what I¡¯ve heard. It only pertains to VHF / UHF FM. ? Install a dual band antenna such as an X50, X300 etc. And for honesty, only use it only in the FM mode, no AM, or anything digital like DMR, Fusion, etc. ? When the Gestapo comes to your door enquiring what you have, you tell them ¡°It¡¯s for FM radio¡± and say nothing else. You¡¯re being completely 100% honest saying that as long as you¡¯re only using the FM mode. ? Should they question it, have a Channel Mastr or other brand name FM broadcast antenna catalog handy and show them the largest / ugliest FM antenna in the catalog and say to them, ¡°Well¡. I could take it down and replace it with this¡±.? ? From what I¡¯m told, they usually walk away with that. ? Good luck ? ? ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? ? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj=[email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
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Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Hi Guys,
I live in Queen Creek and am considering a getting a magnetic loop antenna and placing it outside. Have any of you guys used one?
73, Jim
Hello All,
I'm in the process?of buying?a house in QC, and the antenna in question would be a huge part of the deal so I can install my shack.?
I currently live in Gilbert and CC&R from my HOA (City Property) prohibits the installation of any Ham radio antennas, which I'm bypassing by hiding them in a flag pole, (Which can't be higher than the tallest structure approved in my house) and behind walls so they are not visible from the outside. Unfortunately, I'm not able to reach anywhere on VHF/UHF, and my listening test in HF was also really poor since I can't put my dipole high enough
All your comments have been extremely helpful, Joe taught me there's an ordinance from Queen Creek, unfortunately,?due to the family being sick I haven't been able to follow up but I will.?
I really appreciate all the comments, and for sure I will compile all the info and share my experience once the deal is done so we can learn together if there's anything else to share,
Thanks again, 73 Vince - W7HMO
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 5:01?PM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: Here¡¯s a trick that has been used around the country and has had quite a bit of success from what I¡¯ve heard. It only pertains to VHF / UHF FM. ? Install a dual band antenna such as an X50, X300 etc. And for honesty, only use it only in the FM mode, no AM, or anything digital like DMR, Fusion, etc. ? When the Gestapo comes to your door enquiring what you have, you tell them ¡°It¡¯s for FM radio¡± and say nothing else. You¡¯re being completely 100% honest saying that as long as you¡¯re only using the FM mode. ? Should they question it, have a Channel Mastr or other brand name FM broadcast antenna catalog handy and show them the largest / ugliest FM antenna in the catalog and say to them, ¡°Well¡. I could take it down and replace it with this¡±.? ? From what I¡¯m told, they usually walk away with that. ? Good luck ? ? ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? ? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj=[email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
|
Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Hello All,
I'm in the process?of buying?a house in QC, and the antenna in question would be a huge part of the deal so I can install my shack.?
I currently live in Gilbert and CC&R from my HOA (City Property) prohibits the installation of any Ham radio antennas, which I'm bypassing by hiding them in a flag pole, (Which can't be higher than the tallest structure approved in my house) and behind walls so they are not visible from the outside. Unfortunately, I'm not able to reach anywhere on VHF/UHF, and my listening test in HF was also really poor since I can't put my dipole high enough
All your comments have been extremely helpful, Joe taught me there's an ordinance from Queen Creek, unfortunately,?due to the family being sick I haven't been able to follow up but I will.?
I really appreciate all the comments, and for sure I will compile all the info and share my experience once the deal is done so we can learn together if there's anything else to share,
Thanks again, 73 Vince - W7HMO
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 5:01?PM Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: Here¡¯s a trick that has been used around the country and has had quite a bit of success from what I¡¯ve heard. It only pertains to VHF / UHF FM. ? Install a dual band antenna such as an X50, X300 etc. And for honesty, only use it only in the FM mode, no AM, or anything digital like DMR, Fusion, etc. ? When the Gestapo comes to your door enquiring what you have, you tell them ¡°It¡¯s for FM radio¡± and say nothing else. You¡¯re being completely 100% honest saying that as long as you¡¯re only using the FM mode. ? Should they question it, have a Channel Mastr or other brand name FM broadcast antenna catalog handy and show them the largest / ugliest FM antenna in the catalog and say to them, ¡°Well¡. I could take it down and replace it with this¡±.? ? From what I¡¯m told, they usually walk away with that. ? Good luck ? ? ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? ? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj=[email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
|
Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Here¡¯s a trick that has been used around the country and has had quite a bit of success from what I¡¯ve heard. It only pertains to VHF / UHF FM. ? Install a dual band antenna such as an X50, X300 etc. And for honesty, only use it only in the FM mode, no AM, or anything digital like DMR, Fusion, etc. ? When the Gestapo comes to your door enquiring what you have, you tell them ¡°It¡¯s for FM radio¡± and say nothing else. You¡¯re being completely 100% honest saying that as long as you¡¯re only using the FM mode. ? Should they question it, have a Channel Mastr or other brand name FM broadcast antenna catalog handy and show them the largest / ugliest FM antenna in the catalog and say to them, ¡°Well¡. I could take it down and replace it with this¡±.? ? From what I¡¯m told, they usually walk away with that. ? Good luck ? ? ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ?
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Subject: Re: [QueenCreekHams] Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info? Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? ? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj=[email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
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Pleas let me add one thing to the antenna question.? I¡¯m sure there are a lot of members on this thread that are aware of the American Communications Act.? I think the last update was 1992. Please excuse me if I¡¯m wrong. It is my limited knowledge of the act than HOA¡¯s cannot prohibit amateur radio antennas.? I know they can have rules¡. I think this was a landmark case back in the 90¡¯s when Dish and Direct satellite dishes were just becoming popular.? I think in this case the HOA couldn¡¯t prohibit satellite dishes. It ?is my understanding that this was the beginning of HOA¡¯s being sued for various HOA violations. I also know there are Law Offices that take on HOA cases that address the installing antennas. I agree on FAA rules and regulations¡. But there may be ways to erect certain antennas that an HOA cannot prohibit.? Respectfully, Bill Hansen N1AST
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 16:15 Doug Pelley WB7TUJ via <wb7tuj= [email protected]> wrote: If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ? ? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
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Vince,? Are you in QC town limits or unincorporated Pinal County? What zoning classification are you in? ?Is there an HOA / CC&R¡¯s on your land? ?Once you know what, if any restrictions apply to your location you can plan and build accordingly. Let me know if I can help.?
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On Dec 27, 2024, at 11:32?AM, Eric - KK7MQU via groups.io <ericbenson55@...> wrote:
?You do not need a permit for tower in Pinal County.? You only need FAA/FCC permission when you get to 200'.?? I called and talked to planning and building department in Pinal. I also spoke? to the safety division.... nothing about Ham antenna tower until 200'? !.? I built a house in Pegasus, in 2006. Within Pegasus HOA, you can't even have trees over 40'.? But a mile from end of runway??? I don't think you will have any problems.? On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 7:54, Ron Lampe via groups.io <wd6cim@...> wrote: Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino= [email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org:
Hello,
I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use.
I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results.
I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction.
I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you Vince Lopez W7HMO vince@...
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Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
If you live within an ATA (Airport Traffic Area) which is within a 5 statue mile radius of the center of the field (airport), you must notify the FAA prior to erecting a tower if it will be higher than the tallest roof, tree, etc.? Depending on twr height, distance from rwy end & other variables, you may or may not be permitted to erect it. And if permitted to erect it, you may be required to paint or light it. And if short enough and other variables you may not have to do anything other than erect it to the specs you provided to the FAA. ? Doug WB7TUJ Outlook LT ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ron Lampe via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2024 07:54
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [QueenCreekHams] Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info? Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino=[email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org: I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use. I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results. I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
Vince Lopez
W7HMO
vince@...
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Re: Local Suppliers of Ham Radio, Accessories, Instrumentation, PS, Parts, etc.
I have a whole?bunch of portable radios that would be great for new HAMS - I have mobiles and HT's and I am trying to divest myself of some of them.? I have some mobile antennas too and some additional accessories. I have GMRS as well as dual band radios. (2m/70cm)
Some of the items are here:? and can be paid for online and picked up at my home in QC.
?I can also set up a time for people to come to my house?to look at the portable radios. Most are programmable by CHIRP.
Steve Thornley, KF7DYF
Steve Thornley | 480-275-7070
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 10:13?AM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino= [email protected]> wrote:
Local Suppliers of Ham Radio, Accessories, Instrumentation, PS, Parts, etc.Sometimes you need something for a project quickly or maybe you are putting together a parts kit for a future project. Ham fests are a good source of parts, but a brick and mortar experience can be fun.
IFC Radios & Safety - San Tan Valley - (Some handhelds and basic accessories - CALL FOR INFO RECOMMENDED)
Tri-Tek Electronics - Mesa - (Parts, electronic kits, tools, etc.)
Circuit Specialists - Tempe - (Parts, electronic kits, tools, etc.)
Wired Communications - Scottsdale - (LED lights, COAX, Audio Cables, Connectors, and Adapters) (No storefront, online and ham fests)
Ham Radio Outlet - Phoenix - (EVERYTHING)
Chaney
Electronics, Inc. doing business as Electronic Gold Mine in Scottsdale.
(No storefront, online only but highly recommended by several Group
members.) or
Regards,
Joe, N2QOJ -
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You do not need a permit for tower in Pinal County.? You only need FAA/FCC permission when you get to 200'.?? I called and talked to planning and building department in Pinal. I also spoke? to the safety division.... nothing about Ham antenna tower until 200'? !.? I built a house in Pegasus, in 2006. Within Pegasus HOA, you can't even have trees over 40'.? But a mile from end of runway??? I don't think you will have any problems.?
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 7:54, Ron Lampe via groups.io <wd6cim@...> wrote: Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino= [email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org:
Hello,
I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use.
I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results.
I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction.
I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you Vince Lopez W7HMO vince@...
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Local Suppliers of Ham Radio, Accessories, Instrumentation, PS, Parts, etc.
Local Suppliers of Ham Radio, Accessories, Instrumentation, PS, Parts, etc.Sometimes you need something for a project quickly or maybe you are putting together a parts kit for a future project. Ham fests are a good source of parts, but a brick and mortar experience can be fun.
IFC Radios & Safety - San Tan Valley - (Some handhelds and basic accessories - CALL FOR INFO RECOMMENDED)
Tri-Tek Electronics - Mesa - (Parts, electronic kits, tools, etc.)
Circuit Specialists - Tempe - (Parts, electronic kits, tools, etc.)
Wired Communications - Scottsdale - (LED lights, COAX, Audio Cables, Connectors, and Adapters) (No storefront, online and ham fests)
Ham Radio Outlet - Phoenix - (EVERYTHING)
Chaney
Electronics, Inc. doing business as Electronic Gold Mine in Scottsdale.
(No storefront, online only but highly recommended by several Group
members.) or
Regards,
Joe, N2QOJ -
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Re: Local Ham Needs some Assistance with Info
Vince, First I would look into FAA regulations on tower height if on the Pegasus airport flight path.? (I don't expect a problem with a 25 foot tower but if its 100 feet tall a mike from the runway, i think that's a problem
Second, where I live in San Tan Valley you are not permitted to have a visible antenna, even flag poles are regulated.
I believe all HOAs(wgere you pay a monthly resudent fee) have antenna restrictions.
Last, if all is good, tower sntennas, as you can imagine need a poured concrete base and it is proportional to heught and tower style.? The mfg. of antenna should have base of antenna support plans.
Goid Luck,
RoN WD6CIM AE
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 12:12 PM Joe Sammartino via <jsammartino= [email protected]> wrote: A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org:
Hello,
I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use.
I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results.
I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction.
I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you Vince Lopez W7HMO vince@...
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Tonight's QCECG Net is cancelled as well as next week's Net (12/29)
Tonight's QCECG Net is cancelled as well as next week's Net (12/29).
There are lots of family activities this weekend before Christmas and celebration of the New Year so enjoy the holiday season and we will return on January 5th, 2025.
Happy Holidays!
Joe, N2QOJ QCECG
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Interested in getting assigned a callsign from a deceased person (usually a relative)?
That is called silent key call sign harvesting.? Here is how you go about it:
Regards,
Joe
Joe Sammartino, N2QOJ Co-Founder, Queen Creek Amateur Radio Club Co-Leader, Queen Creek Emergency Communications Group
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A local ham has a request for assistance...If you can help, reach out to him directly at "vince AT KN6TZA.org:
Hello,
I'm in the process of buying property in Queen Creek. Installing my ham radio tower would be part of the deal, which is one of the main reasons I want to get a more considerable lot for personal use.
I've been trying to get some help from development services in both the city of Queen Creek and Pinal County, with limited results.
I was wondering if somebody in your radio club has experience with this, so I can get a pointer in the right direction.
I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you Vince Lopez W7HMO vince@...
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? QCECG Weekly Training Net - Sunday 12/15/2024 @ 8 PM (20:00) ?
? QCECG Weekly Training Net - Sunday 12/15/2024 @ 8 PM (20:00) ?
All ?are welcome to the weekly training net of the Queen Creek Emergency Communications Group, a partner of the QC Fire & Medical Department ?and Emergency Manager.
Exercise your station and your skills!
Your Net Control Operator: ?John, KI7PPW
8 pm at STV / Ocotillo Repeater 449.325 MHz PL 100.0 Hz
No radio/scanner?? No Problem! Listen in via your PC, laptop, tablet, or smartphone:
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? Latest Hamfest Flyer ?
Upcoming Hamfests (and more) Flyer from our friends at Arizona Desert Aire Waves (ADAW).
Attached.
Regards, Joe, N2QOJ
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Joe Sammartino
B H Hansen
Steve Thornley-KF7-DYF