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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Bernie Raffe
If the Epson PK ink is warm, that may explain the problem. I've just
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purchased the Epson 2100, getting good colour results on Ilford Luster paper and have just invested in a couple of full sets of Epson inks, so i'm loathe to switch inks at this stage. I'd be interested to learn more about the UT7 / MIS-PKN inks etc.. - I'm afraid those terms mean nothing to me!! I'm confused to your references to profiles. I see no reference in QTR GUI to profiles, only to curves - even if had a new profile, I wouldn't know what to do with it!! I use the appropriate printer profile in QImage for colour printing which as I say, gives good results. Cheers, Bernie -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Staver [mailto:daniel@...] Sent: 25 March 2005 16:30 To: QuadtoneRIP@... Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100 I'm the one who wrote the windows version of the QuadProfile program. With the previous version of Quadprofile it was impossible to control the tone of the black ink. You could only neutralize the Light Black using light cyan and light magenta inks. Since 2.2 it's been possible to also neutralize the black ink using cyan and magenta, but I don't think anybody has taken advantage of this feature yet and created profiles which are completely neutral in the shadows. The Epson PK ink is very warm, and I think any profile created with the earlier version would be warm at least in the shadows. I could help you create a new profile, but I use the MIS 7600 Ultrachrome replacement inks in my 2100 and their PK responds differently than the Epson one. Any profile I create with this inkset may not work for you. I could still make an attempt of course... Both issues can be solved by using the UT7 inkset with MIS-PKN ink and Gloss Optimizer. This will give you totally neutral prints with no bronzing on luster papers. I have profiles for Epson Premium Semigloss and Ilford Smooth Pearl. -- Daniel Staver I guess my main problem (other than bronzing which by all accounts ismade a request for some improved curves. I’ve still to experiment with some other built-in curves or a combination of ‘None’ and the Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 |
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
I'm the one who wrote the windows version of the QuadProfile program. With the previous version of Quadprofile it was impossible to control the tone of the black ink. You could only neutralize the Light Black using light cyan and light magenta inks.
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Since 2.2 it's been possible to also neutralize the black ink using cyan and magenta, but I don't think anybody has taken advantage of this feature yet and created profiles which are completely neutral in the shadows. The Epson PK ink is very warm, and I think any profile created with the earlier version would be warm at least in the shadows. I could help you create a new profile, but I use the MIS 7600 Ultrachrome replacement inks in my 2100 and their PK responds differently than the Epson one. Any profile I create with this inkset may not work for you. I could still make an attempt of course... Both issues can be solved by using the UT7 inkset with MIS-PKN ink and Gloss Optimizer. This will give you totally neutral prints with no bronzing on luster papers. I have profiles for Epson Premium Semigloss and Ilford Smooth Pearl. -- Daniel Staver I guess my main problem (other than bronzing which by all accounts is something I have to live with on Luster paper), is that the prints arent neutral, they are slightly too warm, even using the UCpk-EPremSemiGloss-cool curves, which is why my original question made a request for some improved curves. Ive still to experiment with some other built-in curves or a combination of None and the UCpk-EPremSemiGloss-cool. |
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Bernie Raffe
开云体育Hi Diane, ? Yes I’m using Windows XP. ? QTR is installed and I just use the QTR GUI which as I’m sure you’re aware is the stand-alone app which replaces the Epson driver. ? I guess my main problem (other than bronzing which by all accounts is something I have to live with on Luster paper), is that the prints aren’t neutral, they are slightly too warm, even using the UCpk-EPremSemiGloss-cool curves, which is why my original question made a request for some improved curves. I’ve still to experiment with some other built-in curves or a combination of ‘None’ and the UCpk-EPremSemiGloss-cool. ? My monitor is properly calibrated, and colour prints looks nigh on perfect. ? Cheers, Bernie ? ? ? ? -----Original
Message----- From: Diane Fields
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Sent: 25 March 2005 15:37 To: QuadtoneRIP@... Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100 ? I've been following this---but now am confused if Bernie is on Windows or Mac.? If on Windows, he must use the QTR GUI.? If more information is needed for that, I'll be glad to weigh in, but if its not Windows related, I'll refrain? *smile*. ? Diane
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Diane Fields
开云体育I've been following this---but now am confused
if Bernie is on Windows or Mac.? If on Windows, he must use the QTR
GUI.? If more information is needed for that, I'll be glad to weigh in, but
if its not Windows related, I'll refrain? *smile*.
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Diane
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Harv Seeley
I'm writing from my work computer which doesn't have QTR installed, hopefully someone
else will kick in on this and give more info. Anyway, I would guess that you're using a Windows machine, so I'm going to be limited help from this point on because my knowledge does not extend to Windows in any meaningful way. I think I had to "create" a Quad2200 printer device in my printer setup utility, or perhaps QTR did that by itself, I don't recall. Within the first dialog "print with preview/page setup", there is a pull down menu that allows me to select either the Epson 2200 printer or the Quad2200 printer device. When the Quad2200 is selected, new options become available in the "print" dialogs. Make sure the "more options" button is checked in the "print with preview" dialog, and then you should be able to see the "color management" dialog. This is where you should find the color space options. This where you would set the 'print space' to "same as source". --- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Bernie Raffe" <bernieraffe@a...> wrote: Harv,*htt p:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075"click here |
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Bernie Raffe
开云体育Harv, ? I’ve been using QImage to print colour and QTR for black and white. ? I just used PS CS to try out your suggestions, but it doesn’t appear to work the same way as yours. ?
? Sounds like your QTR is more integrated with Photoshop than mine for some reason, I always use QTR as a standalone program. ? Thanks anyway, Bernie ? ? -----Original
Message----- From: Harv Seeley
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Harv Seeley
Bernie,
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We should back up a little. I'm running QTR through Photoshop CS on OSX. In Pshop I select "print with preview", this brings up the first dialog where I select "same as source" for the color space and choose my paper size and orientation. Then click on "print" which brings up a second set of dialog boxes. Among the pull down menus I select the "matte paper" paper type and print resolution, then go to another pull down and select "no color adjustment, then go to the QTR menu and select QTR's paper profile and the tone settings, then finally print. Does this correlate to your set up at all? ps, I think I was wrong about the enhanced matte setting, matte seems to the be proper option. --- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Bernie Raffe" <bernieraffe@a...> wrote:
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Re: Moderation Policies
Hi Scott,
Thanks for your efforts here, and I think most people will not mistake a well-moderated, focused group for grumpiness ;>) All your points are very well taken, and I just wanted to comment on the wrapping -- it may well be a Safari thing, because the only time I see a difference between my IE or Firefox formatting and the preview I do prior to posting is when Yahoo sticks one of their lovely ads in the right corner of the post. That just knocks all the line wrapping on its ear! Anyway, glad there is a group now just for QTR, and I trust Roy and Steve will spend time here and continue their incredibly generous support -- as well as all the other very knowledgeable QTR people from the DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint forum... Cheers, Richard --- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Scott Graham" <gebilwil@n...> wrote: I have heard that Scott is grumpier than heck and will moderatemoderately strictly. and relatively easy to find instead of being mixed in with a ton of other good stuff like inthe B&W group. <<snip>> 9. And when you read this you may well notice that the formatingstinks; word wrapping at the darnest places, etc. I have never figured out how to fixthis and would appreciate advice. Is it just a Safari thing or???? |
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New Member
k2kv
Hi All,
Glad to be part of this new and much needed group. I suppose the formation of this group, by itself, validates the importance of the QTR. Count me in. I am only a lowly amateur with modest output, but hopefully I will be able to contribute in a useful way. I used to have a b/w & color darkroom (many years ago) and enjoyed it immensely, but the distractions of life became all-consuming. The digital process has seduced me once again, and I feel strongly that I'll stay with daylight printing. Love my QTR! Best wishes, Jeff Singer |
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Re: UT7 curves
--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...>
wrote: Jim,understanding that you are doing no color printing with the 2200 but have made it a dedicated b/w printer. I have considered doing this with my 1280, but have not gotten around to it. I found QTR and was very excited that I could use my UC inks with it--and have been very pleased. Since I print some color also--I am interested in those that are using it as 'dedicated' and those that are using hte UC inks---or anybody that has tried it both ways. Diane, I have 2 2200s one with UC and one with UT7s I have QTR on both computers. The UT7 prints I do are on matte paper. The UC machine is set up for glossy and I do color and B&W on it. I like the tones of the UT7 inks a little bit better than UC on matte paper. Best, Jim Weekes |
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Bernie Raffe
开云体育Hi Harv, ? Thanks for the info, but I don’t see any way to set the color space in QTR. Also there’s no Enhanced matt paper, only matte. ? Cheers, Bernie ? ? -----Original
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Harv Seeley
Bernie,
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I don't have QTR in front of me, but I recall that it requires your paper profile to always be set to enhanced matte and color space set to "same as source". If you are specifying the lustre media profile, you may be introducing shifts. I hope I'm remembering that properly! --- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Bernie Raffe" <bernieraffe@a...> wrote:
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Bernie Raffe
开云体育Hi Randy, ? Thanks for the reply, I tried your suggestion but it made the print much warmer. ? I guess I wasn’t specific enough in my original post, the problem with neutrality is that the prints are already too warm. I’m having to compensate by making them cooler in Photoshop (obviously not the right way to go!) ? Thanks for the other suggestions, but I don’t have a suitable area for spraying and I’m not very keen on the look and feel of the matte papers. ? Cheers, Bernie ? ? -----Original
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Re: [Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
elitephotolv
I think your problem with neutrality is your choice of 2 cool curves
rather than 1 warm and 1 cool. This will result in a much more neutral tonal range. The bronzing is not QTR's fault. It is ink used by the 2200, the way the paper absorbs it and the way the 2200 puts ink onto the paper. As far as I know, the only way to deal with bronzing is to apply a coating that will even out the reflectance values of the paper or simply change to a more matte surface paper. Best regards, Randy |
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[Quadtone RIP] Curves for Epson 2200/2100
Bernie Raffe
开云体育Hi, ? I’m not very pleased with the neutrality (and bronzing) of my black and white prints using QTR RIP / Epson 2100 / Ilford Smooth Pearl paper. ? Does anybody have any curves that might help or any other advice. The settings I use in QTR Rip are:- ? Media Type: Premium Luster Photo Paper Curves: UCpk-EPPremSemiGloss-cool 50 UCpk-EPPremSemiGloss-cool ? Tried a few of the other built in curves, but the above seems to be the best. ? Any help appreciated. ? Thanks, Bernie ? -- |
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roll min paper length?
Scott Graham
Has anyone tested the min allowed custom paper length using roll QTR?
I was trying to save money on tests and used a 4 inch length for the Epson driver; the result was 8 inches of a 16 inch wide image. When I upped the defined length to 6 inches it seemed to work fine. But with QTR 6 inches wouldn't work, then I had to hit the road. Does anyone know what the minimum roll paper length is for QTR? longer than 6 inches, or do I have something else wrong? Thanks Scott |
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Re: Roll printing?
Scott Graham
Advantage? mostly habit I guess. FW works great and why change?
but it sounds like I should thanks Scott --- In QuadtoneRIP@..., photoian@c... wrote: Scott, my wife and I have been running our 4000 on roll paper with QTR with noproblems. We're using only USB cable. We're also using the 4000 for color printing using the Epson driver and I'm printing through a network setup. I don't know why you'd want to hook up both firewire and USB; what's the advantage? |
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Re: UT7 curves
Diane Fields
开云体育Jim,
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Do I understand that you are not using the
ultrachrome inks?? So I'm understanding that you are doing no color
printing with the 2200 but have made it a dedicated b/w printer.? I have
considered doing this with my 1280, but have not gotten around to it.? I
found QTR and was very excited that I could use my UC inks with it--and have
been very pleased.? Since I print some color also--I am interested in those
that are using it as 'dedicated' and those that are using hte UC inks---or
anybody that has tried it both ways.
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Diane
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UT7 curves
Hi,
My name is Jim weekes and I have loved QTR ever since the GUI for it came out. I need all the help I can get. I have been a photographer for 35 years. I had three different studios in Vermont and managed a color lab for seven of those years. I also had a darkroom up until I got a D30 and saw what Photoshop could do with a HUGE 3 megapixel file. The chemistry had been getting to me so I have effectively quit the darkroom for all but film developing in MF. I am writing to see if everyone knows about the UT7 curves for the 2200. I am on the Digital B&W forum and, at one point, Stephen Billiard, the author of the GUI, put out a list of curves for GUI and UT7 EEM warm and cool were on it. He immediately said it was a mistake and that he had published a list that Roy was working on. Having a 2200 set up with UT7 ink made me write to Roy and ask. He, very kindly, sent them to me with a disclaimer that they weren't finished. Well, to my eye, with very little tweaking, they make lovely prints. I would suggest that anyone with the 2200/UT7 combo give them a try. Best, Jim Weekes |