Re: Revisiting Carbon 6/7/8 in 2024
Thanks Walker, appreciate the tip. Didn’t want to waste the UltraHD MB ink I have. So any tips like that are very helpful!
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Re: Revisiting Carbon 6/7/8 in 2024
Thanks Blayne, that’s literally what I was thinking too. Just try it. It’s all about trying and learning anyways.
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Re: Revisiting Carbon 6/7/8 in 2024
80% carbon is going to be very very close to 100%. You have a lot of dots printing in the shadows so you can afford to go to 70% on shade 2 and then bring the others closer especially in the middle and upper-middle (important tonal areas).
best -Walker
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:22?AM, Blayne Puklich <blayne@...> wrote:
If I were you I’d use whatever I wanted to. Doing my own linearization it should all work out. If it were me, I would want one toner position that I could use depending on what I was trying to do so I could pull the warmth more cold if needed. It gives me some flexibility. I would venture to guess one could calculate a perfect set of ink percentages, but I would also venture to guess that wouldn’t be ideal for every image you’d print. I would venture to again guess this is all subjective. Sorta like Ford vs Chevy. They both sometimes make crap, sometimes make good things, and generally one would be just fine with either. It’s an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. Everyone has one, just like everyone has an {fill in the blank}. How’s that for a non-answer? ;-)
Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
- mailto:blayne at puklich.com
I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.
On 29 Jan 2024, at 16:48, Jeff Kew wrote:
I've got my Epson 7800 running matte black ink in refillable carts. I've experimented with a couple different insets, with and without LC/LM toner carts to neutralize the warmth of the carbon ink.
I'd like to take advantage of all 8 channels, and looks like Paul Roark is now recommending NOT using the 2% ink dilution anymore. Is anyone running a similar combination of Matte Black ink across all eight channels? What are your ink dilutions?
Here's an example of what I'm thinking of testing, but not sure what to put in the 8th?
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Re: Revisiting Carbon 6/7/8 in 2024
If I were you I’d use whatever I wanted to. Doing my own linearization it should all work out. If it were me, I would want one toner position that I could use depending on what I was trying to do so I could pull the warmth more cold if needed. It gives me some flexibility.
I would venture to guess one could calculate a perfect set of ink percentages, but I would also venture to guess that wouldn’t be ideal for every image you’d print. I would venture to again guess this is all subjective.
Sorta like Ford vs Chevy. They both sometimes make crap, sometimes make good things, and generally one would be just fine with either. It’s an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. Everyone has one, just like everyone has an {fill in the blank}.
How’s that for a non-answer? ;-)
Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
- mailto:blayne at puklich.com
I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.
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On 29 Jan 2024, at 16:48, Jeff Kew wrote:
I've got my Epson 7800 running matte black ink in refillable carts. I've experimented with a couple different insets, with and without LC/LM toner carts to neutralize the warmth of the carbon ink.
I'd like to take advantage of all 8 channels, and looks like Paul Roark is now recommending NOT using the 2% ink dilution anymore. Is anyone running a similar combination of Matte Black ink across all eight channels? What are your ink dilutions?
Here's an example of what I'm thinking of testing, but not sure what to put in the 8th?
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I just bought an? I1 pro 1 on Ebay to replace one I'd been using for years. The X-rite label identifies it as a? REV D, but its stamped EFI-ES1000, and comes with EFI software. Windows 11 detects the spectrophotometer and correctly identifies it but I cant get Gretag Profilemaker 5 to detect it. Does anyone know if these EFI rebranded Eye Ones? have been altered internally?. The EFI software is useless to me since it wont read 3rd party targets.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Paul
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Revisiting Carbon 6/7/8 in 2024
I've got my Epson 7800 running matte black ink in refillable carts. I've experimented with a couple different ink sets, with and without LC/LM toner carts to neutralize the warmth of the carbon ink.
I'd like to take advantage of all 8 channels, and looks like Paul Roark is now recommending NOT using the 2% ink dilution anymore. Is anyone running a similar combination of Matte Black ink across all eight channels? What are your ink dilutions?
Here's an example of what I'm thinking of testing, but not sure what to put in the 8th?
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I'm thinking of giving the following a try.
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dilution base is Pauls Carbon-6.?
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Re: Question about color tinting with Print Tool and Canon Pro 1000 printer
Hi Roy
I am attaching a screen shot that shows what controls are available with the Layout pull down. There is nothing there at all ?similar to Layout with Epson printers. Will follow ?your suggestion and try some other Mac programs to see what they show.
Thanks for ?your suggestions.
Sandy
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Re: Question about color tinting with Print Tool and Canon Pro 1000 printer
Hi Sandy
I'm not familiar with the Canon printers and driver but I'd expect it's similar enough to Epson.
I see you've gotten down to the Layout pull down. I'd be curious to see what you get under that for both cases.
If you do the screenshot with a 5 sec delay you can hold the mouse down on Layout and get that shot.
In any case the Color Settings display is part of the Canon driver plugin and the rest there is the OS print system.
My guess would be that some security issue is preventing the loading of Canon plugin. Are any of the Canon dialogs there?
Here's a few things to try out to see more what's happening:
-- If there's a Color Matching pane (like the Epson driver) see what's selected there in both cases.
-- Try some standard Mac programs like Preview and TextEdit to see what they show.
Roy
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Re: Question about color tinting with Print Tool and Canon Pro 1000 printer
Here is a screenshot showing where the Epson Advanced Color Settings should be found. I'm pretty sure that Print-Tool is compatible with most if not all printers, though mine are all Epsons except for a Brother laser printer which actually does work with it. The dialogs available come from the specific printer driver you have chosen so be sure it is the correct one. None of us have yet mentioned the specific macOS versions we are using, so that may be a source of unexpected behavior especially if you have performed an update since last using Print-Tool. I'm on a MacPro (trashcan) running Monterey 12.7.2. I had all sort of problems with Big Sur that caused me to set up an old iMac with Mojave just to be able to print at all. Monterey solved all those problems for me and has been completely stable. It is also the last macOS compatible with this computer short of using something like OpenCore Legacy Patcher to fix compatibility with Ventura or Sonoma which I have not done. (I have used OCLP to run Monterey successfully on a 2011 MBP.) If you have done an update or upgrade recently, I would suggest reinstalling the printer driver first followed by reinstalling Print-Tool. Maybe do this even if you haven't made any system changes. The current version of Print-Tool is 2.3.4. I think Sandy has a typo in his post. If you have a Mac with an Apple processor I have no idea if my suggestions will help. Keith 
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Re: Question about color tinting with Print Tool and Canon Pro 1000 printer
My print tool is ?not showing that layout drop down menu. It used to. Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 4:34?PM Keith Schreiber < keith@...> wrote: Hi Sandy,
In Print-Tool go to the drop-down menu that shows Layout in your screenshot and select Printer Settings, then choose Advanced Color Settings (may have different name on a Canon). That gets me to a similar dialog to the Color Options sliders shown in your Photoshop screenshot.
Cheers, Keith On Jan 26, 2024, at 1:38 PM, Sandy King < sanking@...> wrote:
I am trying to print with Print Tool 2.3.8 and a Canon Pro 1000 printer. Am able to do so but am not able to locate the color tinting dialog box that is available in Photoshop through the Layout dialog box.
What am I missing?
I attached to screen shots, on made in Photoshop, the other in Print Tool.
Sandy
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<Screen Shot 2024-01-26 at 3.24.33 PM copy.jpg><Screen Shot 2024-01-26 at 3.16.40 PM.jpg>
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Re: Question about color tinting with Print Tool and Canon Pro 1000 printer
Hi Sandy,
In Print-Tool go to the drop-down menu that shows Layout in your screenshot and select Printer Settings, then choose Advanced Color Settings (may have different name on a Canon). That gets me to a similar dialog to the Color Options sliders shown in your Photoshop screenshot.
Cheers,
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On Jan 26, 2024, at 1:38 PM, Sandy King < sanking@...> wrote:
I am trying to print with Print Tool 2.3.8 and a Canon Pro 1000 printer. Am able to do so but am not able to locate the color tinting dialog box that is available in Photoshop through the Layout dialog box.
What am I missing?
I attached to screen shots, on made in Photoshop, the other in Print Tool.
Sandy
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<Screen Shot 2024-01-26 at 3.24.33 PM copy.jpg><Screen Shot 2024-01-26 at 3.16.40 PM.jpg>
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Question about color tinting with Print Tool and Canon Pro 1000 printer
I am trying to print with Print Tool 2.3.8 and a Canon Pro 1000 printer. Am able to do so but am not able to locate the color tinting dialog box that is available in Photoshop through the Layout dialog box.
What am I missing?
I attached to screen shots, on made in Photoshop, the other in Print Tool.
Sandy
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I get the same thing on a P7000. At a workshop I held in Stockholm in DTP before Christmas it turned out like this in various pictures of my students. Tried with different resolution and switched to 3 gray colors with DTP. My picture picture turned out fine but not any others. At the same time, there are good images without streaks in Mirage and Epson's driver, but only in QTR. Updated to last QTR.
I consulted a printer consultant and wondered if a print head broke? What he told me that the printer has three printhead resolutions and chooses one to print with. Tried with different resolution on image and print but QTR may not always choose the highest resolution? Anyone who knows?
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Unfortunately, I don't have any good pictures now of the bad ones, but they are similar to yours, both in high and low days but more visible in smooth surfaces of course. Sending with a picture that works but not so much smooth surfaces... 
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Re: Low resolition/“grainy” prints-negatives
I responded privately but including some of what I wrote for the general public.?
I've been testing different transparency materials over the past few weeks to see if there is a suitable alternative to Ultra Premium OHP. So far, the answer is no.
While some material may _look_ like they can hold the ink, (in addition to another serious problem) the ink actually clumps together as it dries and appears as exaggerated grain or printer dots.
I'm getting examples together for an?article comparing different ink sets and transparency materials. I'm still testing, but I am considering adding different starter curves to allow people to use cheaper transparency films (and just explain the drawbacks backs of doing so).
Hope that helps,?
Richard Boutwell
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http://www.richardboutwell.com/
http://www.bwmastery.com/
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The drop down menu that defaulted to Layout?
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correction: I'm running Sonoma 14.3 not monterey
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I am also having a problem with print tool and it's happening with versions 2.3.2 and 2.3.4 I'm on Monterey 12.5.1. When I select Printer:Epson Stylus Pro 3880, Page Setup: Paper & Print Settings does NOT get me to the same window I used to get to where was able to select “Layout” in the pull down menu and proceed with the subsequent workflow which I had used successfully for years. I did not delete print tool before upgrade the version since the manual stated there was no need for that.?
Prior to noticing the above problem, I had re-installed QTR and the epson driver, deleted 3880 pro and 3880-K7, then re-installed the printers Epson Stylus Pro 3880 and Quad3880-K7 because I was having trouble connecting my mac mini to the printer. I’m now able to connect to my printer, run head cleaning cycles and Nozzle checks.?
Thanks for any help
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Low resolition/“grainy” prints-negatives
Hello, I’m struggling to print negatives for alt. processes.?
the negatives printed with QTR and the prints shows grain or what I assume is a dither pattern. Pleas see the image attached.
The negative is printed on Epson SC-P6000 with Print Tool version 2.3.4.(1) on Fomei clear film 180( pictorico alternative in Central Europe), using the OEM Epson inks.?
The curves are created with QuadToneProfiler-proDN
The quad tone rip is set to 2880 dpi, uni-directional, photo black ink. Version 2.8.2 for Mac OS
I’ve been struggling with QTR for a while, and started to print negatives with Epson ABW, when I get beautifully smooth prints. However I would like to utilize all the advantages of QTR/Print Tool workflow.?
I hope someone could advice me pleas what I’m doing wrong. Thank you
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Hi, I am a printmaker in Amsterdam (the Netherlands) Recently I purchased an Epson P6000 for DTP. I use PrintTool, QTR 2.7.9 and Mac OS Mojave 10.14.6 At first I got small horizontal lines on the plate. Walker advised me to re-install QTR as it could be stuck in 720 dpi. I did so and the lines were gone. But now I get wider banding (horizontal) in the black parts:  I tried several times, but all the same. Than I printed another image, and I got the small horizontal lines back!!  Has anyone a solution? Do I have to upgrade QTR or my Mac? Thank you! Eric Levert
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Re: Any prospect of QTR support for new P7570/9570
Pinging Brad on this.
Warmest regards all,
-Walker
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On Jan 24, 2024, at 3:28?PM, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
Hi Clay and Robert
I would like to support this printer. I have looked into it so I know some of the issues.
My main need is to be able to test an actual printer. I've thought about purchasing one but
a place to put it is an issue -- and I'm not sure it'd get much use.
I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area if anyone has one nearby.
Roy
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