Re: P700... dot line in prints.
Enrico, They’re called ‘pizza wheels’. I had those too, until I found this article. This is for a P800, maybe it can help you with your P700?
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Hello to all! I hope I’m not out of topic, but in my P700 when I print lately I see stripes made of dots where there is no ink or it has been taken away, attach photos.
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Re: P700... dot line in prints.
pizza wheel, you need to disable the star-wheel
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Re: GRAY_CURVE curve point pair format
Paul
I thought for sure someone would answer but this is how it goes:
After GRAY_CURVE= should come numbers like this:
GRAY_CURVE= "0;0 4;5 8;10 15;15 32;20 40;25 46;30 51;35 56;40 60;45 63;50 65;55 69;60 72;65 76;70 79;75 83;80 87;85 91;90 95;95 100;100 "
Input/Output.
Think of it this way: your Inputs are “bad” or off kilter and you want them to be made perfect 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. (how I explain it to students).
I have never used 0-255, only 0-100. It’s Pigment/Ink % not Light in Curve Display Options. Someone else can answer that.
Before QCDN this is how I wrote all my profiles, ink descriptor files with Gray Curve. Hundreds. Now I don’t even have to think about how it’s done with QCDN, but I kept the old qtr profiles
to remember the good ol’ days.
Chris
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I'm writing a quick script to serialize a curve defined in an acv from Photoshop to a string compatible with the GRAY_CURVE parameter in an ink descriptor file. Adobe's
defines each curve point pair as the output value followed by the input value. Additionally, each coordinate is a value in the range of 0–255.
1. Can anyone confirm whether GRAY_CURVE expects the format input;output or output;input?
2. Does 255 == 100 in GRAY_CURVE or is the value similar to the ink percentage in Photoshop where 255 == 0?
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GRAY_CURVE curve point pair format
Hi,
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I'm writing a quick script to serialize a curve defined in an acv from Photoshop to a string compatible with the GRAY_CURVE parameter in an ink descriptor file. Adobe's defines each curve point pair as the output value followed by the input value. Additionally, each coordinate is a value in the range of 0–255.
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Two questions:
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1. Can anyone confirm whether GRAY_CURVE expects the format input;output or output;input?
2. Does 255 == 100 in GRAY_CURVE or is the value similar to the ink percentage in Photoshop where 255 == 0?
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P700... dot line in prints.
Hello to all! I hope I’m not out of topic, but in my P700 when I print lately I see stripes made of dots where there is no ink or it has been taken away, attach photos.
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Thanks for help.
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Enrico
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Looking for an alternative to QTR-Create-ICC-RGB.exe
I have been using QTR-Create-ICC-RGB.exe to create icc profiles for soft proofing from CGATS files. It works just fine, but I'm looking for a free alternative. From the little I know about Argyllcms, it seems like argyll should be able to do this. If so, can anyone tell me how? Or at least where to start looking?
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Silvi,
Apologies if I offended you but I thought my original reply to help you, ?with your printing problem and that of many others having issues with Apple's printing fiasco in Ventura/Sonoma and seemingly still in Sequoia, and my subsequent replies to try and help you, confirm/deny solutions/issues ?that might have have been helpful.?
Hence I added some photos of the bad printing result I was seeing that was not the usual “just defaulting to Epson grey printing” but some other Colosync issue Epson has got wrong with EPL.
I am a old photographer working in digital, analog 35mm => 18x24 cm LF and various Alt Processes such as Salt/Platinum/Kallitype/Carbon since 1969 at the age of 9, ?and open minded enough to accept female nudity or similar LBGT+ ?type images as art, and not to criticise the artist for their subject choice.
As such, my only desire was to show what I was experiencing with the printing I see and to further discussion on the subject of presets and Sonoma et plus.
Seemingly you want to add some morality clause here which I cannot accept but will apologise ?to you as no intention to offend was intentional on my part.?
FYI - The girl in the photo is not anorexic and is a beautiful girl and lovely person. Your moral judgement is superfluous and unnecessary and adds little to the technical discussion and my attempt to assist freely you with your issue IMHO.
Alan Bradford alan.bradford@...
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On 18 Sep 2024, at 10:14, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:
I should have clarified that my presets were only for QTR so not relevant with Color Sync etc. Following Tracey's instructions I had success with them sticking except for paper size. I used Preview to set them up.
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BTW - Alan not sure what relevance your images of anorexic women have to do with this discussion - apart from showing a red cast. I find them quite offensive and unnecessary and not just within this context. Role models for our daughters?
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Silvi-
I appreciate your comments.
Thanks,
Cheryl Hanna-Truscott
www.HannaTruscott.com
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On Sep 18, 2024, at 04:14, Tomas Sobota via groups.io <tom@...> wrote:
?Silvi, I see that in your gallery at Baldessin Studio, somewhere down
under, you show a photogravure of a dead bat, sex unspecified but
rather anorexic. Well, in my opinion at least, since I have seen
fatter bats. In which way this is not offensive and a naked woman is?
You say (on the same site) that the central theme of your work is
nature. Well, nature has spent a few hundred of thousands of years
doing it's best so that the female of the human species is attractive
to the males. And viceversa naturally. How can you call the result of
all this effort by mother nature "offensive and unnecessary"? Painters
and paintresses have been representing the human form during
millennia. Photographers of both sexes since a couple hundred years.
Is there something wrong with that in your opinion?
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:14?AM Silvi Glattauer via groups.io
<silvi@...> wrote:
I should have clarified that my presets were only for QTR so not relevant with Color Sync etc. Following Tracey's instructions I had success with them sticking except for paper size. I used Preview to set them up.
BTW - Alan not sure what relevance your images of anorexic women have to do with this discussion - apart from showing a red cast. I find them quite offensive and unnecessary and not just within this context. Role models for our daughters?
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Silvi
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Silvi, I see that in your gallery at Baldessin Studio, somewhere down under, you show a photogravure of a dead bat, sex unspecified but rather anorexic. Well, in my opinion at least, since I have seen fatter bats. In which way this is not offensive and a naked woman is? You say (on the same site) that the central theme of your work is nature. Well, nature has spent a few hundred of thousands of years doing it's best so that the female of the human species is attractive to the males. And viceversa naturally. How can you call the result of all this effort by mother nature "offensive and unnecessary"? Painters and paintresses have been representing the human form during millennia. Photographers of both sexes since a couple hundred years. Is there something wrong with that in your opinion? Tom On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 10:14?AM Silvi Glattauer via groups.io <silvi@...> wrote:
I should have clarified that my presets were only for QTR so not relevant with Color Sync etc. Following Tracey's instructions I had success with them sticking except for paper size. I used Preview to set them up.
BTW - Alan not sure what relevance your images of anorexic women have to do with this discussion - apart from showing a red cast. I find them quite offensive and unnecessary and not just within this context. Role models for our daughters?
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Silvi
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
I should have clarified that my presets were only for QTR so not relevant with Color Sync etc. Following Tracey's instructions I had success with them sticking except for paper size. I used Preview to set them up.
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BTW - Alan not sure what relevance your images of anorexic women have to do with this discussion - apart from showing a red cast. I find them quite offensive and unnecessary and not just within this context. Role models for our daughters?
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Silvi
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
I too have tried this but without much success.
The PV created presets show up in Print Tool, C1, LR and PS but always seem to default to the wrong paper type and sometimes Epson rather than Colorsync. They are not visible in Epson Print Layout.
Changing the ICC profile to something else and then back again to the ICC I need, strangely seems to bring back the settings correctly but as soon as you make the slightest change to image size (not Paper size) it all screws up again in C1 or PS
Presets created in Epson Print layout also are very unreliable, as soon as you change image size they go back to default. Even when all is good with EPL I print and there is a horrid strong reddish cast over the photos (see below).
I looked at the Presets in PLIST Editor and as Tracy says they have (many) fewer entries than they do on High Sierra
EPL works perfectly on High Sierra though, so I am still 100% stuck on using an old Mac for printing.?
I wonder what Sequoia holds - I read the release notes but nothing is mentioned, so imagine they have not fixed this? ? Anybody tried? 
Alan Bradford alan.bradford@...
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Hi Tracey and everyone interested in this topic.
I followed Tracey's instructions from the Blog and managed to get most of the presets to stick using Preview to set them up. They then appeared in PS. All showed up except the paper size didn't record. I haven't tested this over a long period so not sure how successful it will be long term.
Time will tell...
Thanks Tracey for all you research and adivce - invaluable!!
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Hi Tracey and everyone interested in this topic.
I followed Tracey's instructions from the Blog and managed to get most of the presets to stick using Preview to set them up. They then appeared in PS. All showed up except the paper size didn't record. I haven't tested this over a long period so not sure how successful it will be long term.
Time will tell...
Thanks Tracey for all you research and adivce - invaluable!!
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
visit for a detailed explanation, including the location of the file you must delete in order to start over. Make a note of your presets first, as deleting the file deletes ALL the presets for that printer. Presets are stored on a per-printer basis, not on a per application basis.
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This is NOT a permanent solution, but only a work-around until Apple finally fixes the problem.
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
I can confirm the orientation and size seem to fix themselves, however, other parameters like paper type are changing so nothing new for me still very broken.
Epson Print Layout seems stable for presets, behaving like they should, but last time I printed it was a terrible waste of paper and ink. I will investigate more...
Alan Bradford alan.bradford@...
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On 14 Sep 2024, at 14:51, Lucid Imaging <groups.io@...> wrote:
Hey Alan
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The method I use is for printing Piezography? Pro, although I have had the issue with the paper orientation being wrong for A4 when changing presets. It tends to rectify itself when I select another preset, then go back to the one I want.
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As for the ICC selection, I'm not using that - I only occasionally print colour from Print-Tool.
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Hey Alan
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The method I use is for printing Piezography? Pro, although I have had the issue with the paper orientation being wrong for A4 when changing presets. It tends to rectify itself when I select another preset, then go back to the one I want.
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Hi Denise, this looked interesting and would be a workaround for me and I am sure others too, I will test further but not looking good for me!
1. I set up and saved a Preset in Preview for A4 Portrait Gloss paper 2880 dpi, the paper sizes and orientation were not set correctly when I selected the preset in Print Tool, but some other settings in the preset seem to be respected.
Not sure if that is expected behaviour in Print Tool (only recently purchased, not used much) ?
2. Selecting an ICC file and Color Management ?is very wrong, showing Epson Color Controls and not Colorsync.
3. Under Print settings it showed no Color management with correct Paper and 2880 dpi which is correct.
When 2 and 3 show this in Epson/Apple normal driver using Presets saved from Epson Driver in C1 or PS or LR, I randomly get a print with ICC applied or not (all looks greyish and dull)
So for me this is not anything I can use as the ?behaviour is identical to all application Printing on M3 Sonoma with C1, PS, ?LR, PT ?, Presets don’t work and Colorsync not always respected even when set immediately before hitting print.
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On 14 Sep 2024, at 02:22, Lucid Imaging <groups.io@...> wrote:
Hi Silvi
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I haven’t read all the responses, however, can confirm what works for me is making and saving the presets for QTR in Preview, then I have no problem recalling them in Print Tool.?
Hoping the next Mac OS will finally fix this.?
Best
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Hi Silvi
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I haven’t read all the responses, however, can confirm what works for me is making and saving the presets for QTR in Preview, then I have no problem recalling them in Print Tool.?
Hoping the next Mac OS will finally fix this.?
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Thanks Michael and all the feedback here - I tried Print Tool but found the same issues.
A dedicated printing machine with a pre Ventura OS seems to be the only work around at this stage for printing plates. Not a great option for us teachers who work with a variety of clients. Presets are essential when working with several polymer plate types and sizes in a workshop environment.
For straight colour printing I have been using Epson Print Layout, which seems to be faithful to Colour Sync issues.
Onwards and Upwards!
Silvi
www.silvi.com.au
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Re: Printer Presents_Sonoma 14.5
Like a lot of other people, I found dedicating an old laptop just for printing works best. The only issue is that when newer printers come out, they may not work on pre silicon macs.
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On Sep 13, 2024, at 4:23?AM, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:
Alan,
Thanks for the clarification regarding Print Tool.
I only use my older iMac as a stand-alone print station. ?I edit separately with a Mac Studio. ?And USB drives are my friend for shuttling print files back and forth, :-).
Michael On 13 Sep 2024, at 10:18, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:
Print Tool is unfortunately not a solution here, it too is affected by the Apple presets issues.
I bought Print Tool and QTR specifically hoping I could circumvent the issues, but no, Roy Harrington explained to me that it was nearly impossible to code around this issue without Apple being involved and he has no such clout with Apple.
For now, the dedicated pre-Ventura Mac is the best solution I can see - C1 - PS - LR - Print Tool all work perfectly on High Sierra and you don’t need a powerful machine and you can bomb proof it by removing any Internet access so Apple or other cannot update this.
Adobe product will eventually fail without Internet access as they licence via Internet and eventually force a check -?
My old Windows7 is broken for Adobe products due to this as they don’t support it or the best Google browser you can run on W7 so no Licence check is possible - Adobe products fire up but you cannot edit anything as a result. On 13 Sep 2024, at 09:52, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:
Silvi,
Like Alan mentioned I have an old iMac that I use as a print station (locked with Catalina and not connected to the Internet). ?Have you tried using the Print Tool stand alone app for printing your plates? ?It is very easy to save QTR presets. ?IMO it is an amazing piece of s/w for the price considering all the features. ?It is easy to print w/ or w/o color management in your workflow so you know exactly what you’ll get. ?And it bypasses the ongoing Apple vs. Adobe war that we have to suffer through each time their software is updated or upgraded, :-).
Michael On 13 Sep 2024, at 08:30, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:
Epson Print Layout is a possible workaround.?
Printing from Capture One, PhotoShop or Lightroom on any Sonoma version ?(and I think same on Ventura) simply is broken. Not only presets but also continually not using Colorsync. High Sierra works perfectly, but no cannot be i stalled ?for Apple silicon like M1 M2 M3
I keep my old MBP for printing with High Sierra - Totally ridiculous when I spent more than 3K on a new M3 ?- Problem is 100% on Apple, but they just push you to use preview which also does seem to work but is limited. On 13 Sep 2024, at 01:23, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:
? Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.? The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-? ? Anyone out there find any workaround solutions?? Silvi ?
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Maybe a Class Action Lawsuit would raise enough bad publicity to get Apple to address the Presets / Colorsync issues and others.
Apple use to be the Photographer friend and GOTO platform for any design professional, but Since Ventura it's become their curse. ?I have
1. ?These Printing issues 2. No Firewire support so I cannot tether my Phase One Firewire backs to Ventura or Sonoma MAC's 3. ?Impossible to read CF cards - They eject as soon as you try to read them - Tried 3 readers so far including a New Sandisk one - Apple won’t even look at this (even though I paid for support) as they do not allow USB devices to connect to their store devices, 4. ?Inbuilt SD-Card reader that is at best flaky 5. 10 minute wait to Read 5TB LaCie USB disks after plugging in
I guess this CAL would be futile as no doubt we have all said “Agree” to a hundred pages of conditions that remove all our rights just to be able to Install MacOS on a new MAC and need to accept they can add or break any feature their desire.
So I guess I have to just accept that my Eur 3.2K purchase is just an ugly duckling as far as Photography is concerned and hope?
Anyone know if there is ANY Epson Photo printer currently sold that has a different driver solution to get around presets?
This was Epson's unbelievable Top Tier Support response to me after their first line tech’s initially denying all knowledge of the issue and I forced them to look at Tracy Valleau’s research.
"Thank you for the feedback. Some issues may be affected by certain OS versions, as you have pointed out in your prior e-mail. Hopefully these issues can be taken into account and can be addressed in future updates to come."
Alan Bradford alan.bradford@...
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On 13 Sep 2024, at 10:18, Alan Bradford <alan.bradford@...> wrote:
Print Tool is unfortunately not a solution here, it too is affected by the Apple presets issues.
I bought Print Tool and QTR specifically hoping I could circumvent the issues, but no, Roy Harrington explained to me that it was nearly impossible to code around this issue without Apple being involved and he has no such clout with Apple.
For now, the dedicated pre-Ventura Mac is the best solution I can see - C1 - PS - LR - Print Tool all work perfectly on High Sierra and you don’t need a powerful machine and you can bomb proof it by removing any Internet access so Apple or other cannot update this.
Adobe product will eventually fail without Internet access as they licence via Internet and eventually force a check -?
My old Windows7 is broken for Adobe products due to this as they don’t support it or the best Google browser you can run on W7 so no Licence check is possible - Adobe products fire up but you cannot edit anything as a result.
Alan Bradford alan.bradford@...
On 13 Sep 2024, at 09:52, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:
Silvi,
Like Alan mentioned I have an old iMac that I use as a print station (locked with Catalina and not connected to the Internet). ?Have you tried using the Print Tool stand alone app for printing your plates? ?It is very easy to save QTR presets. ?IMO it is an amazing piece of s/w for the price considering all the features. ?It is easy to print w/ or w/o color management in your workflow so you know exactly what you’ll get. ?And it bypasses the ongoing Apple vs. Adobe war that we have to suffer through each time their software is updated or upgraded, :-).
Michael On 13 Sep 2024, at 08:30, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:
Epson Print Layout is a possible workaround.?
Printing from Capture One, PhotoShop or Lightroom on any Sonoma version ?(and I think same on Ventura) simply is broken. Not only presets but also continually not using Colorsync. High Sierra works perfectly, but no cannot be i stalled ?for Apple silicon like M1 M2 M3
I keep my old MBP for printing with High Sierra - Totally ridiculous when I spent more than 3K on a new M3 ?- Problem is 100% on Apple, but they just push you to use preview which also does seem to work but is limited. On 13 Sep 2024, at 01:23, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:
? Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?
The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-
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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??
Silvi
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