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#qdx another PA cooling improvement idea #qdx

 

Hi Folks,?

really love my new toy - this tiny QDX TRX and it work excellent.
To prepare for longer FT8 sessions I tested and meassured a bit with the PA temp, as I it felt a bit high (first by fingertip measurements).

At the Hermes Lt2, to increase the cooling.
There the PCB to rail connection is used for primary heat transport and even the screw alone transports some temp to the case....

It could be an idea for a new hardware revision of the QDX to inlcude the PCB/Case connection into the PA cooling.


I modified my QDX and was able improve the PA temp by 5 ¡ãC (10 Minutes test cycle) and I assume the result will be even be more convincing after a longer test cycle.

How to do the simple mod (on your own risk ;-) ):
  1. removed the nut, washer and screw at the PA.
  2. while the QDX PCB is inserted in the case, use the existing whole in the PCB to mark the spot for the whole in the lower U profile of the case
  3. drill a 3mm whole and countersink from outside (see picture)
  4. replace original screw with a longer one with countersunk head
  5. gently tighten the screw?
    Attention: do not tighten the connection to much, as there is a risk to crack the PCB.


I traced the following temperature curves at the surface of one of the BS170s (under the washer).
Condition in both cases where the same:

  • f = 7074,5 MHz
  • U in = 9V
  • I in = 1,07 A
  • P out = 5W
  • Duration = 10 Minutes
  • Duty Cycle 50% (WSJT-X/FT8)
  • Room Temp 21¡ãC
  • Meassured with PeakTech Bench Type DMM 4090

With the original mounting method I meassured max 47,5¡ãC after 10 Minutes:




After the mod, the temp was max on 42,3¡ãC.




vy 73 de
Alex, DK4FT

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QDX - HW Rev 1.0 - U=9V - FW 1.01b - RPi4b with WSJT-x 2.5.1


Re: QDX's DC connector common to 9V and 12V builds a potential problem?

 

Since the DC connector is the same the likelihood of that happening is a possibility.

Alas, there¡¯s a confusing array of these connectors with little in the way of standards. I am only just now making some sense of them. Given that you probably have 12 volt devices that use the QRP Labs's standard 5.5x2.1 versions, you might want adopt something incompatible for your 9 volt build. Here¡¯s are lists that might be helpful.





You¡¯ll probably need to find one whose power jack has the right dimensions for the PC board.

This issue reminds me of when I first became interested in radio back when tubes were more common than transistors. At first I assumed that those who designed tubes had the ¡°wisdom¡± to make sure that only the right tube would fit in a socket. I soon realized that wasn¡¯t so. Every tube in my first radio had the same kind of socket.

¡ªMike Perry, WA4MP


Re: QRP sub-bands for FT8

 

Since FT8 is often operated using split frequencies within the customary spectrum, a designated QRP frequency does little, and it would grab even more scarce spectrum away. I can¡¯t figure the dB reporting or -9 and higher dB that don¡¯t come back to my 100w. Just call regardless of the level you are sensing.?

curt


Winding of T1 and T2

 

I measured a lenght of? 223.75 cm of the 0.66mm wire, left over from winding L6, L4, and L7.? Therefore, I will have 5-lengths of 44.75cm wire to work with in making the bifilar and trifilar colls.? I am assuming that I will have enough wire to do the job.? From the photos in the manual, there appears to be plenty of extra wire when using 46cm per wire.?

Just wondering what others have found for this step

Thanks

Kent KC9LIF


QDX's DC connector common to 9V and 12V builds a potential problem?

 

As I wait for the next round of QDX kits become available I've glanced through the manual and am impressed (again) with the thoroughness Hans has put into the rig and the documentation.

When I get the chance to build a QDX I think I'll opt for the 9V version.

My question is if you build for 9V (3:3 winding) and mistakenly apply 12V volts will you let out the magic smoke?

Since the DC connector is the same the likelihood of that happening is a possibility.?

I think the gotchas at this point are transmitting without a suitable antenna and DC reverse polarity. Is this another one?

If this is a possible point of failure, putting a big "9V DC ONLY" sticker on the case is one solution. Maybe a different sized DC connector is available with the same form factor could be used?

Just a thought, thanks for clearing this up!

--Al
WD4AH


Re: QDX shipping update

 

No shame in that, I use one too: they're invaluable. I just wish I could stop mine from slowly drooping down and sitting on my nose...

--
Julian, N4JO.


Re: QDX shipping update

 

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Bill Lamm wrote:
Several projects need to clear the bench (and maybe new glasses)

I got one of those head magnifiers (no they fit on the head rather than magnifying it). One of the best purchases in a while, make everything bigger and better.

I reckoned if they were good enough for Hans to use then they were good enough for me. Just been working on a new QCX+ build and the magnifier makes it much easier than the ones I built previously just using my glasses.

Reg?????????????????????? G4NFR


Re: QRP sub-bands for FT8

 

I'm very active on FT-8.? I can run 100W but very often it s more like 10-25W
as that seems more than enough.? Exceptions are DX where the pileup on them
will bury even 100W stations.

FYI station here runs on a 150AH battery and solar so running 100W FT-8 is
not a heating problem but it eats battery.? Economy of power is the game
and the mode helps weak signal operators.

I have found strong station running low power that cannot hear, alligators all
mouth no ears.? Most common reason for that is their local noise is terrible.
The other reason is their antenna is poor so they try to make it with power.

A good station can easily hear to -23db, most can't due to antenna or noise.
Also some receivers are very poor and suffer AGC pumping and desensitizing
due to other very strong signals.

In the end its funny I'll hear a station that is -12 and go back with 5W and
get a -5 received signal report.? Says a lot about their antenna or maybe mine.

FYI my best is JAs running 25W from Eastern Massachusettes on 20,
17, and 15M.? Key to that was not power but time of day!? We were both
grey line (about 5pm EDST) here.

Antenna for that was 160M inverted V (center at 10M) and the ends more
than 4M high.? Seems to work well on the mid bands with lobes that aim to
Europe.

Slways try but observe thewaterfall as the station seems to be in a
dense clump of signal likely not hearing well (their agc may be pumping).
I try to stay in the clear and that makes for better results.

As to QRP subband? it too late for that.? However 30M is ideal as it is
power limited (least here in the USA).

Allison
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Can't you just order one from QRPLabs?


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Re: QDX how to connect MS terminal?

 

Welcome to the group Steve!? Nice to hear from a fellow hiker. I have no experience with the QDX but I am sure you will have some help with your issue from someone soon.? Stay active, Steve KY4GX.


Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Luke 2:14


Re: QDX how to connect MS terminal?

 

Hi Steve,

Are you just trying to?enter Terminal Mode? "/dev/ttyACM1" looks like a Linux command to me, not a Windows 10 command and I don't think you can just use a Windows?CMD window to behave as a Terminal. Instead use a terminal emulator program for Windows (like PuTTY). There are a bunch of them you can download for free and you can do a search for which one you like. You then run PuTTY (or whatever terminal program you downloaded) and can connect using the appropriate serial connection and COM port (COM4 or whatever the QDX is connected?to). This example here would be using PuTTY:



73,
Gregg W7GRM


On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:24 AM Steven Weber <steve.kd1jv@...> wrote:
I first connect the QDX with WSJT-X, then exit the program
I start up windows (10) terminal (cmd)?
I type in /dev/ttyACM1 in the terminal and I get "can not find path specified" error message.?
I type in "mode" and get that I am connected to com4 at 9600 baud.?
Why does this refuse to work??
73, Steve KD1JV?


Re: QDX how to connect MS terminal?

Jim Campbell
 

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For a lot of you who aren't as old as I am I'd like to tell you something about Steve Weber. He used to be the designer and maker of QRP kits and was well known in the QRP community. I purchased and assembled several of his kits myself. He also took about half a year off and walked the Appalachian Trail from northern Georgia to Maine. That's about 2190 miles with lots of up and down along the ridges of the Appalachian mountains.

He's quite an interesting individual and I'd like to welcome him to the QRP-Labs group.

Jim - W4BQP since 1953

On 11/11/2021 12:24 PM, Steven Weber wrote:

I first connect the QDX with WSJT-X, then exit the program
I start up windows (10) terminal (cmd)?
I type in /dev/ttyACM1 in the terminal and I get "can not find path specified" error message.?
I type in "mode" and get that I am connected to com4 at 9600 baud.?
Why does this refuse to work??
73, Steve KD1JV?
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Re: QRP sub-bands for FT8

 

Philippines; that's a fine bit of DX from Texas!

The signal reports on that QSO suggest that DU6/PE1NSQ was running somewhere between 100 and 200 watts. (I don't know the actual power level used by AE5X.) All else being equal, if you are running 5W and the other station is running 100W your signal will be -13dB compared to theirs. The difference here is 15-16 dB, depending on which report of their signal you look at: the -2 or the -3 compared to the -18 they sent you.

All else isn't always equal because the S/N is also affected by the signals from other stations and by noise on the band, and the levels of those may not be the same at both locations. If your location is quieter than the other station's location the difference in levels will be higher; if you have the noisier location the difference will be lower. I'm also assuming that neither station is using a separate receive antenna. Also that the receivers at both ends are sufficiently sensitive to hear down to the band's noise floor; that will usually be true, especially on the bands that the QDX covers.

When you contact another QRP station on FT8 the reports should be similar on both ends, again if all else is equal. WSJX-X can decode FT8 pretty reliably down to about -20dB and sometimes as far down as -24dB; FT4 is about 3dB worse but twice as fast.

When you're getting started on FT8, stick to calling stations that you receive at -5dB or better. They're the ones you are most likely to be able to contact, and you'll be busy working them for a bit as you get experience. Later you can try calling some weaker stations; you won't always get through to them but sometimes you will.


On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:29 AM John AE5X <ae5x@...> wrote:
No many/most is not all. As I'm here having my brekkie I just worked my best QDX to date:


--
John AE5X


QDX how to connect MS terminal?

 

I first connect the QDX with WSJT-X, then exit the program
I start up windows (10) terminal (cmd)?
I type in /dev/ttyACM1 in the terminal and I get "can not find path specified" error message.?
I type in "mode" and get that I am connected to com4 at 9600 baud.?
Why does this refuse to work??
73, Steve KD1JV?


Re: QRP sub-bands for FT8

 

you shouldn't limit yourself to that. ?I have been running qrp all year, and most of my contacts are easily in the -20 to -15 range.


Anthony - N1IG


Re: QDX shipping update

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 01:10 PM, Curt - KC9CTP wrote:
Just got an email saying that my order #50260 status has changed to shipped as of today.

Not sure if it has shipped from MO or Turkey, but it doesn't matter. It is on the way here and it will get here when it gets here :D?

?The email will tell you where and how it was shipped.? USPS was from US Warehouse.


Re: QRP sub-bands for FT8

 

I worked W0QU yesterday and I was -23 not even all the way across the US, ha, ha! There are at least three factors: you have to be able to be heard on the receiver end, the receiver has to choose to respond to the weaker station, and someone?else can't be stomping on your signal. :)

But I don't see very many people on JS8 the short time I have been listening to it. It seems wide open and would therefore be a good choice for QRP (and IMO more fun than FT8) until this FT8 sub-band get's going, which I would fully support.

Cheers,
Gregg W7GRM


On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 8:25 AM Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:
Hi John

I agree, you are a lot more likely to work stations who have a higher SNR. But "many/most" is not "all"... so not exclusively so. If the other station is also running 5W too then it is perfectly viable running down at -15 or less.?

This morning I was eating breakfast quietly by myself (the two big lab rats having departed for school, and the tiniest one still sleeping), just playing FT8 on 40m, remoting into my QDX station on my mobile phone. I sent some CQs and was pleased to make contact with W7DO. First time I have worked US on QRP. So I think my new antenna installation at the new office QTH cannot be doing too badly though doubtless there are?many dB room for improvement.?

73 Hans G0UPL

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:18 PM John AE5X <ae5x@...> wrote:
In the week or so I've been using the QDX it's become apparent to me that many/most ops are using power levels significantly higher than my 5 watts. I have too, in the past, with other rigs and will continue from time to time...

I no longer call stations with my QDX who are weaker than -05 on my end. So I was glad to read this today from Joe Taylor K1JT:

"We are also thinking about suggesting a "QRP FT8 sub-band" in which power should be limited to 10 W (say).

	"-- 73, Joe, K1JT"

--
John AE5X


QDX easy reverse polarity mod

 

I was gifted a QDX to build and decide to add reverse polarity protection as accidents do happen. It is simple to do, especially if a fresh build.?
1. bend the +power tab on the back of the DC jack up.?
2. Solder in the DC jack, but don't push it too far back, just enough to line up the front with the edge of the board
3. Insert a 1N5817 diode into the rear pad (banded end), and attach the anode end to the DC power tab.
4, solder in the diode
5. Also insert the + lead of the 220 ufd cap into the board pad.?
Now you don't have to worry about connecting up your power cable to the supply wrong.?
73, Steve KD1JV?
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Re: QRP sub-bands for FT8

 

No many/most is not all. As I'm here having my brekkie I just worked my best QDX to date:


--
John AE5X