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Something else for the wish list ?

"andyfoad@..."
 

Wideband FSK CW.

By wideband I mean 200Hz or so as used by many 28Mhz beacons plus
speed setting in WPM.

(FSK could be any value up to 999Hz)

Would be great for playing fox hunting, or running personal attended
beacons.

Whaddya think Hans ?

73 de Andy


Re: GPS behaviour very inconsistent

"David Atkins"
 

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My thanks to Tony and Phil for publishing pictures of their builds, and to everyone else, like Keith,?who has given details of their construction. All of your experiences are helping me plan my own installation.
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Both of my units are currently languishing in a drawer, pending Hans' return and his words of wisdom. The U2's USP for me was that it could be portable and self-contained. I wanted the ability to set up a WSPR beacon in the middle of nowhere without having to take a load of other equipment. The U2 should work out its location, sort out its clock to WSPR standards, and start to talk. Mine have both got the location sorted, but the lack of pps functionality means that neither the location nor the timing are usable. I'm confident that we shall see a solution soon. Sadly, I have a trip to the Highlands on Wednesday that will most likely be too premature for that.
In the meantime, I have shack-bound WSPR capabilities that I can go back to using. But I was so looking forward to being portable ;-(
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A naive question. What did the Beta-testers use that gave them success? Is there a way I can copy that?
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Best Wishes
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David G8XBZ

From: QRPLabs@... [mailto:QRPLabs@...] On Behalf Of Keith Maton
Sent: 26 May 2013 10:39
To: QRPLabs@...
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] GPS behaviour very inconsistent

I have one further update regarding the initial time setting from the GPS using the Adafruit.

If it's all powered off and I start the GPS and the U2 at the same time, the U2 will give a slightly incorrect time depending on how long it takes the GPS to lock.

So if the GPS takes six seconds to find a lock the time displayed by the U2 will be six seconds slow.

Simply inverting and re-inverting the GPS settings cause that error to be corrected.

I hope this is helpful.

73 Keith, G6NHU
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Re: GPS behaviour very inconsistent

Keith Maton
 

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I have one further update regarding the initial time setting from the GPS using the Adafruit.

If it's all powered off and I start the GPS and the U2 at the same time, the U2 will give a slightly incorrect time depending on how long it takes the GPS to lock.

So if the GPS takes six seconds to find a lock the time displayed by the U2 will be six seconds slow.

Simply inverting and re-inverting the GPS settings cause that error to be corrected.

I hope this is helpful.

73 Keith, G6NHU


On 21 May 2013, at 11:34, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:

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Tony,


I've got an adafruit GPS unit ()?which I've connected using four wires to the U2 kit: ?1pps, +V, gnd and data. ?It has the ability to run with a battery backup for quicker acquisition and ?data logging, that's the battery I added at the weekend.

As for the supply, I run with 13.8V through a heatsinked 7805 regulator onto the U2 and from there out to the GPS module.

This morning I've done some more testing - I reset the invert GPS option to OFF and power cycled the U2. ?In this configuration, the time appears within a couple of seconds of power on and it's accurate. ?It's been running for a few hours now and it's stayed accurate.

I hope that helps.

73 Keith.


On 21 May 2013, at 07:54, Tony Volpe <tony.volpe.1951@...> wrote:

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Keith,

Could you say more about the battery backup you added? What is the exact voltage on your system? How is it different to what you had before? I have not been able to get my EM-406A to operate with the new kit, but it is working fine on the old one. In my case, the clock will not appear and the kit won't start when I set USE GPS to ON. If I set the invert GPS parameter to invert (which is wrong for the GPS, the clock appears, and the kit starts and will transmit on schedule, but the clock runs fast and within a minute or two is well out of sync with real time. This corrects momentarily when the transmit cycles end and then it runs away again.

If you have found a solution, I'd be well pleased. :))

The kit works well in every other way that I have tried, but I've only been using WSPR.

Tony
G0BZB


On 20 May 2013 21:43, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:
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Since I added battery backup to my GPS module at the weekend things are more consistent.?

When I apply power, the clock shows and it's normally accurate to within a few seconds. ?I put the GPS invert to off and the clock shows correct. ?I put the invert back to on and it stays correct without drifting. I've been running WSPR for over 24 hours on 30m/20m with no problems.

I'm very pleased to have been seen in VK land on 20m WSPR this afternoon.

73 Keith, G6NHU
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On 17 May 2013, at 10:35, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:

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All,

Following on from my other emails yesterday, last night I restarted everything again only this time the U2 and GPS were switched off for an hour or so while I worked GB70DAM on 40m.

Once I started it up and the GPS locked, the clock once again was showing 00:00:00. I inverted the input and the time showed correctly.

Today, over 12 hours later, it's still correct to the second! Compare that to yesterday when it was rapidly losing time.

73 Keith, G6NHU








Re: U2 photos.

"andyfoad@..."
 

--- In QRPLabs@..., g3zjo <g3zjo@...> wrote:

Alan

That's a whole can of worms you have opened. I would do the same or
similar, I run in a Mains Earth free environment.
Same here.
Have done for many years.
More hassle than it's worth with RF about.

In my case connecting the 'safety
earth' would mean I was connecting my antenna system to the
Neutral of the mains supply and also directly to the Neutral of
the next door house.Under fault conditions (which did happen here)
the chassis of the U2 could then rise to phase potential and huge
current would sink to Earth via the antenna system or via the
operator.
Anyone for PME ? ;-)

Regards to all,

Andy


Re: U2 photos.

g3zjo
 

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Alan

That's a whole can of worms you have opened. I would do the same or similar, I run in a Mains Earth free environment.
I am sure Andy knows what he is doing. In my case connecting the 'safety earth' would mean I was connecting? my antenna system to the Neutral of the mains supply and also directly to the Neutral of the next door house.
Under fault conditions (which did happen here) the chassis of the U2 could then rise to phase potential and huge current would sink to Earth via the antenna system or via the operator.

73 Eddie G3ZJO


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On 25/05/2013 13:58, Alan wrote:

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I assume that's an incoming 240V mains cable feeding the transformer. It looks as if you've chopped the earth wire adjacent to the end of the outer jacket. As it's a metal box, it needs the safety earth connecting. We'd hate to lose you...

Regards,
Alan G0RWB

--- In QRPLabs@..., "andyfoad@..." wrote:
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> I've uploaded a few pics of my U2 in the files section.
>
> Hope the may be of interest.
>
> 73 de Andy G0FTD
> GQRP 13690
>



Re: U2 photos.

"Alan"
 

I assume that's an incoming 240V mains cable feeding the transformer. It looks as if you've chopped the earth wire adjacent to the end of the outer jacket. As it's a metal box, it needs the safety earth connecting. We'd hate to lose you...

Regards,
Alan G0RWB

--- In QRPLabs@..., "andyfoad@..." <andyfoad@...> wrote:

I've uploaded a few pics of my U2 in the files section.

Hope the may be of interest.

73 de Andy G0FTD
GQRP 13690


Re: U2 photos.

"Philip"
 

Nicely done Andy....


Philip G4JVF

--- In QRPLabs@..., "andyfoad@..." <andyfoad@...> wrote:

I've uploaded a few pics of my U2 in the files section.

Hope the may be of interest.

73 de Andy G0FTD
GQRP 13690


U2 photos.

"andyfoad@..."
 

I've uploaded a few pics of my U2 in the files section.

Hope the may be of interest.

73 de Andy G0FTD
GQRP 13690


uBlox LEA-4s

"Chris D"
 

Was given some uBlox LEA-4s modules this morning in addition to a Cirocom 587D patch antenna. Wondering if anyone has used these uBlox modules with the ultimate kit(s)?

72,
Chris
kQ2RP


Re: U2 Erratic Timing - some detail

"TONY_VOLPE"
 

--- In QRPLabs@..., Barry Chambers <b.chambers@...> wrote:

On 23/05/2013 21:50, David Atkins wrote:

I hope the detailed description of the erratic behaviour, recorded below,
will give an indication to someone of the cause.

My Trimble Jupiter modules refused to register [both of them]. So did my
Sure Evaluation kit. Even though they all work perfectly with several GPS
evaluation programmes. An EM-406a arrived from Germany this morning, and I
have tried everything I have seen suggested in the past week or so.
This is
how it goes:

I have Frame set to 10
I have Start set to 04
GPS Baud is 04800,01,1,8
Use GPS On
Inv GPS On -- yes, I know, but nothing works with it off
Frq set to 10.140.198
Locator is rubbish
Set Time is rubbish

Switch on at 16:00:04
Locator sets correctly to IO91, time sets correctly to 16:00:04, Sys Frq
remains un-modified;
Time them increments in two-second steps every second -- 06, 08, 10,
etc --
until it reads 16:03:50, when it resets itself to the correct time
(16:01:26, say). Then count up at double speed until it gets to 16:03:50,
when it resets itself to the correct time, and starts counting up at
double
speed again. This happens over and over until the time really is 16:03:50,
when it counts on up to 16:04:00 and starts transmitting. Of course, it
counted at double speed, so the transmission starts at about 3 seconds
before the start of the even minute. But the transmission itself is at
normal speed, so I can decode it on another rig.
After the transmission, we go through the double speed until the clock
reads
16:13:50, then the reset etc cycle goes on until the transmission at a
couple of seconds before 16:14:00.

Does that seem reasonable?
OK, so how do I cure it? I have the RX data pin of the module tied to Vcc,
and both ground pins are connected to 0v. Beyond that, I have tried
pull-up
resistors (10k ohm) and pull-down resistors on the pps line and/or the TX
data line. No change.

?help?

David G8XBZ

David

Your GPS experiences pretty well match mine, except that I'm using a
EM-406A GPS.

--

73

Barry, G8AGN
Me too. My EM-406A is the same.


Re: U2 Erratic Timing - some detail

Barry Chambers
 

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On 23/05/2013 21:50, David Atkins wrote:
?

I hope the detailed description of the erratic behaviour, recorded below,
will give an indication to someone of the cause.

My Trimble Jupiter modules refused to register [both of them]. So did my
Sure Evaluation kit. Even though they all work perfectly with several GPS
evaluation programmes. An EM-406a arrived from Germany this morning, and I
have tried everything I have seen suggested in the past week or so. This is
how it goes:

I have Frame set to 10
I have Start set to 04
GPS Baud is 04800,01,1,8
Use GPS On
Inv GPS On -- yes, I know, but nothing works with it off
Frq set to 10.140.198
Locator is rubbish
Set Time is rubbish

Switch on at 16:00:04
Locator sets correctly to IO91, time sets correctly to 16:00:04, Sys Frq
remains un-modified;
Time them increments in two-second steps every second -- 06, 08, 10, etc --
until it reads 16:03:50, when it resets itself to the correct time
(16:01:26, say). Then count up at double speed until it gets to 16:03:50,
when it resets itself to the correct time, and starts counting up at double
speed again. This happens over and over until the time really is 16:03:50,
when it counts on up to 16:04:00 and starts transmitting. Of course, it
counted at double speed, so the transmission starts at about 3 seconds
before the start of the even minute. But the transmission itself is at
normal speed, so I can decode it on another rig.
After the transmission, we go through the double speed until the clock reads
16:13:50, then the reset etc cycle goes on until the transmission at a
couple of seconds before 16:14:00.

Does that seem reasonable?
OK, so how do I cure it? I have the RX data pin of the module tied to Vcc,
and both ground pins are connected to 0v. Beyond that, I have tried pull-up
resistors (10k ohm) and pull-down resistors on the pps line and/or the TX
data line. No change.

?help?

David G8XBZ

David

Your GPS experiences pretty well match mine, except that I'm using a EM-406A GPS.

-- 

73

Barry, G8AGN


U2 Erratic Timing - some detail

"David Atkins"
 

I hope the detailed description of the erratic behaviour, recorded below,
will give an indication to someone of the cause.

My Trimble Jupiter modules refused to register [both of them]. So did my
Sure Evaluation kit. Even though they all work perfectly with several GPS
evaluation programmes. An EM-406a arrived from Germany this morning, and I
have tried everything I have seen suggested in the past week or so. This is
how it goes:

I have Frame set to 10
I have Start set to 04
GPS Baud is 04800,01,1,8
Use GPS On
Inv GPS On -- yes, I know, but nothing works with it off
Frq set to 10.140.198
Locator is rubbish
Set Time is rubbish

Switch on at 16:00:04
Locator sets correctly to IO91, time sets correctly to 16:00:04, Sys Frq
remains un-modified;
Time them increments in two-second steps every second -- 06, 08, 10, etc --
until it reads 16:03:50, when it resets itself to the correct time
(16:01:26, say). Then count up at double speed until it gets to 16:03:50,
when it resets itself to the correct time, and starts counting up at double
speed again. This happens over and over until the time really is 16:03:50,
when it counts on up to 16:04:00 and starts transmitting. Of course, it
counted at double speed, so the transmission starts at about 3 seconds
before the start of the even minute. But the transmission itself is at
normal speed, so I can decode it on another rig.
After the transmission, we go through the double speed until the clock reads
16:13:50, then the reset etc cycle goes on until the transmission at a
couple of seconds before 16:14:00.

Does that seem reasonable?
OK, so how do I cure it? I have the RX data pin of the module tied to Vcc,
and both ground pins are connected to 0v. Beyond that, I have tried pull-up
resistors (10k ohm) and pull-down resistors on the pps line and/or the TX
data line. No change.

?help?

David G8XBZ


U2 gets an outing on 40m.

"andyfoad@..."
 

Played FSKCW and Slow Hell on 40m earlier, works very well and
watched the quality of my signals on a couple of grabbers.

I'm pleased to report that despite being run with no heatsinks for
hours on end all three PA FETS are quite happily chugging away with no problems despite running hot at 9 volts ;-)

Still need to box the dratted thing as time allows...

73 da 'FTD


Re: Some better news U2

g3zjo
 

On 23/05/2013 19:05, Philip wrote:
What type of antenna are you using on 474?
Hi Philip

Tiny by normal standards but I don't have much space, it's an inverted L 5.5m up 5.5m out.

Latest 'DX' G0KTN @ 145Km.

73 Eddie G3ZJO.


Re: Some better news U2

"Philip"
 

Eddie

What type of antenna are you using on 474?

Philip G4JVF

--- In QRPLabs@..., g3zjo <g3zjo@...> wrote:

QRPLabs

This morning I got round to sorting my arrangement for using my external
LPF's with the U2. I now have the possibility of output on any band
except for the moment 136KHz.
The 200mW of RF out on 474.2KHz (dial freq) WSPR produced instant
reports from 2 stations best DX up to now 91Km. I have run 10mW on the
band in the past and got results from the closest stations, although the
band is not at its best at this time of year it will be interesting to
see what transpires. With these sort of powers I have reached over 1000Km.

73 Eddie G3ZJO


Re: Some better news U2

"andyfoad@..."
 

Thanks !

--- In QRPLabs@..., g3zjo <g3zjo@...> wrote:

On 23/05/2013 12:22, andyfoad@... wrote:
How many BS170 / supply volts are you using ?
Hi Andy

Just the one and 5V, I am not a QRO merchant. :-)

Eddie


Re: Ultimate2 kit status summary

"andyfoad@..."
 

Same problem as I noticed and mentioned in an earlier post.

At first I thought that when I had the 28Mhz PA problem that I
might have caused some damage to the ATMEGA.

73 de Andy

--- In QRPLabs@..., Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:

I've captured it and uploaded it here:



73 Keith.


On 22 May 2013, at 22:37, Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:



Hi Keith

Can you give me a photo of how it looks with the digit missing off the right? Or, write out exactly the display, character by character? Then I can try to get it corrected/moved.

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: Ultimate2 kit status summary

Keith Maton
 

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I've captured it and uploaded it here:


73 Keith.


On 22 May 2013, at 22:37, Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:

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Hi Keith

Can you give me a photo of how it looks with the digit missing off the right? ?Or, write out exactly the display, character by character? Then I can try to get it corrected/moved.

73 Hans G0UPL


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:
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Hi Hans,


I've been doing some testing and changing the SPEED parameter so that my callsign fits nicely in ten minute frames - If I set speed to 10 then my callsign fits with 20 seconds to spare so that's absolutely perfect.

However, in FSKCW10 mode, while idle between frames, the far right digit of the time is missed off because the clock has moved to the right. ?So it shows 16:24:1?

There are a couple of spaces to the left of the time display, could you shift the clock one character to the left so that it will fit when using a SPEED parameter that runs into double figures please?

Thanks,

73 Keith, G6NHU


On 19 May 2013, at 12:46, Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:

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All

My email box is full of millions of emails and so I thought, to clarify all my and your thinking, one big post should list it all out. Summarise where we are with it all. If I am missing anything, please let me know.?

Enhancement requests: firstly, there are a number of new requests (other than the GPS and 10m issues, of which more later). I'll attempt to put as many as I can in the v2.02 firmware version. These are as follows:
1) Support for the WSPR-15 mode (useful for LF WSPR)
2) Adding 1 digit to the GPS Baud setting, so the kit can be used with 115kbps (also requested for an Ultimate1 v1.09 enhancement)
3) Allowing the / character in messages for FSKCW, QRSS, DFCW, CW modes
4) Removing the 42.5MHz (approx) upper frequency limit
5) Fix a couple of occasional cosmetic bugs appearing in the Time-setting menu item
6) Move the Time setting to the front of the menu items, as it is used more often than any others when using the WSPR mode and everything is already set up (e.g. for correcting the time, when no GPS is being used).

New shop items requests: I have had requests to add the following items to the shop:
1) Selling BS170 transistors separately to the main kit
2) Sell the 4-pin headers and sockets separately to the main kit
3) Make available LF band modules for 475kHz and 135kHz?

10m etc issue: The summary of this issue is that it appears that there may be an arithmetic precision issue in the code for setting the DDS frequency word, which becomes apparent when the amount of shift is small in relation to the output frequency. So I need to change that part of the code which deals with calculating the DDS frequency word. Although, it remains considerably confusing because some people appear to have had some 10m WSPR spots. Perhaps they were lucky to choose frequencies which happened to work.

GPS issue:?There appears to be an issue with some GPS modules which worked in U1 but not U2. There have been some reports of people using GPS with no trouble, with Ultimate2. My current theory is that the short pulse width from some GPS modules is interfering with, or being interfered by, the incoming serial data stream. So I need to look at the differences between how I did the GPS work in U1 and U2.

Other comments:

1) People have remarked on the frequency switching transients when the DDS frequency changes. I think this is a minor thing which if all else was well, should not interfere with kit operation or WSPR decode etc. However, I checked in this area of the code and I did actually find that I think the frequency is being briefly set to zero before the new frequency is set, and that this might be making the short frequency glitch longer than necessary. So in v2.02 I will attempt to tidy that up.?

2) Regarding the blue potentiometer on the DDS module. When the modules arrive from the manufacturer, it appears that the blue potentiometers are not set up - that manifests itself as no output squarewave from the comparator. Before packing the kits, I individually tested every single one of the 200 DDS modules. 29 were discarded as their stability was found to be unsuitable. The rest of them, the potentiometer was adjusted for best output on 30m. So I thought that it should not need further adjustment by kit builders. However, it is possible that the setting on 10m might be more critical, or different, from the optimum setting on 30m - as some constructors have found out and advised.?

3) Someone mentioned that the maximum output frequency of the comparator is only 1MHz. However I don't think that this is correct. The specification of the DDS module from the manufacturer sometimes says that the squarewave output is valid up to 1MHz. But the DDS module output is straight from the comparator output pin of the AD9850 DDS chip and I don't see anything in the AD9850 datasheet about any upper frequency limitation.?

4) Feedback on the question of whether to reverse the BS170 transistors in the new PCB, or reverse the silk screen, or leave as is - was rather (surprisingly) mixed. So I still have to consider that one.?
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5) I had some delay with ordering all the components, because PayPal rather unreasonably decided they should block my account to make sure I'm not a money launderer. That's all resolved now so I can continue with ordering the remaining components for the next set of 200 kits.?

I think that's about it. Let me know if I have missed anything out.

73 Hans G0UPL







Re: Some better news U2

g3zjo
 

On 23/05/2013 12:35, Barry Chambers wrote:
I'm receiving you about -22/23 on 475702.
Yep I see your Spots Barry 129Km.

Thanks Eddie


Re: Some better news U2

Barry Chambers
 

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On 23/05/2013 11:47, g3zjo wrote:
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QRPLabs

This morning I got round to sorting my arrangement for using my external
LPF's with the U2. I now have the possibility of output on any band
except for the moment 136KHz.
The 200mW of RF out on 474.2KHz (dial freq) WSPR produced instant
reports from 2 stations best DX up to now 91Km. I have run 10mW on the
band in the past and got results from the closest stations, although the
band is not at its best at this time of year it will be interesting to
see what transpires. With these sort of powers I have reached over 1000Km.

73 Eddie G3ZJO

Eddie

the Dx is 129km - still getting good decodes.

-- 

73

Barry, G8AGN