Anyway, I'm sure if you offer some beer or something, you could
cajole some of the locals to pop over and give you a hand. Let me
know if I can help.

Later,

Tom
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a
3 ton jack.

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Hi Adam,

Sorry to hear about your tube.?? Do you really think they would fail
you during the tech inspection for the drag day.? I've never been
through one but didn't think they would care if your car made
some odd noise? (just tell them it's a supercharger ;-0).?
Im sure the PCA inspections are pretty rigorous,? What did they do
for
yours?

Anyway,? I'm sure if you offer some beer or something, you could
cajole some of the locals to pop over and give you a hand.? Let me
know if I can help.

Later,

Tom
ready and waiting with portable tool box, 4- (2-ton) jack stands and
a
3 ton jack.

P.S.? If someone brings a torch or hacksaw we could take care of your
A/C compressor problem too? ;-)

--- In PacNW928@..., "Adam Birnbaum" wrote:
> I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my
whirring
> sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.
>
> They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor.?
I asked
> how much of that was the tube, $1.9K.? I jokingly asked "Is that
with or
> without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too
amused.? I
> then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube,
one
> that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the
stock
> replacement.? He said he'd check and get back to me.
>
> The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
> tonight?, we have limited garage space."
>
> I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.
>
> I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up,
there was
> a salesman walking around my car, checking it out.? As I stepped
out
of my
> wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car.? He
said
> "Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models
are very
> difficult to sell."
>
> I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring
my car
> and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
> something I already knew.
> It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me
when I
> dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on
doing
> the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are
stupid
> enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for
labor".? I
> would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and
not
wasted
> everyone's time.
>
> When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there.? I
fired it
> up, whirring sound and all.? The salesman got that weird expression
like he
> had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I
rolled
> down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is
out,
> I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.
>
> I'm going to kick around where I go from here.? The shark drags are
on the
> 25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound.?
I guess
> I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want
to do
> the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two
weeks time.
>? So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and
pay
a
> reasonable price for the repair.? Decisions, decisions.
>
> If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell
housing
> this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark
made a
> similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate.?
I'll
> keep my fingers crossed.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> -Adam Birnbaum
>? '88 S4 A/T

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I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my whirring
sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.

They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor. I asked
how much of that was the tube, $1.9K. I jokingly asked "Is that with or
without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too amused. I
then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube, one
that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the stock
replacement. He said he'd check and get back to me.

The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
tonight?, we have limited garage space."

I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.

I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up, there was
a salesman walking around my car, checking it out. As I stepped out of my
wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car. He said
"Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models are very
difficult to sell."

I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring my car
and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
something I already knew.
It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me when I
dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on doing
the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are stupid
enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for labor". I
would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and not wasted
everyone's time.

When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there. I fired it
up, whirring sound and all. The salesman got that weird expression like he
had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I rolled
down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is out,
I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.

I'm going to kick around where I go from here. The shark drags are on the
25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound. I guess
I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want to do
the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two weeks time.
So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and pay a
reasonable price for the repair. Decisions, decisions.

If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell housing
this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark made a
similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate. I'll
keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks for listening,

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T

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Adam,

Boy you sure know how to pick the timing for these things! The

tube that you refer to, is it the Devek piece? If I ever have to do a

tube replacement, I would give serious consideration to the Devek part.

Hope you can get it back in working order before the drags.

Terry


Adam Birnbaum wrote:

I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my whirring
sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.

They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor. I

how much of that was the tube, $1.9K. I jokingly asked "Is that with or
without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too amused.

then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube, one
that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the stock
replacement. He said he'd check and get back to me.

The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
tonight?, we have limited garage space."

I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.

I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up, there

a salesman walking around my car, checking it out. As I stepped out of

wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car. He said
"Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models are

difficult to sell."

I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring my

and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
something I already knew.
It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me when

dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on doing
the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are stupid
enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for labor".

would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and not

everyone's time.

When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there. I fired

up, whirring sound and all. The salesman got that weird expression like

had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I

down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is out,
I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.

I'm going to kick around where I go from here. The shark drags are on

25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound. I

I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want to

the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two weeks

So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and pay a
reasonable price for the repair. Decisions, decisions.

If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell housing
this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark made

similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate. I'll
keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks for listening,

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T

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I wish I lived a bit closer,I'd be glad to give a hand since I've
done it before.
Let me know if I can be of any help e-mail wise with it.

Anyway, I'm sure if you offer some beer or something, you could
cajole some of the locals to pop over and give you a hand. Let me
know if I can help.

Later,

Tom
ready and waiting with portable tool box, 4- (2-ton) jack stands and
a
3 ton jack.

P.S. If someone brings a torch or hacksaw we could take care of your
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Anyway, I'm sure if you offer some beer or something,

> you could cajole some of the locals to pop over and give
> you a hand. Let me know if I can help.

Look out Adam, Tom's just casting about for beer. I'll make you a heck of
a deal--send me up a six-pack of some good stuff and I won't come down and
round off every nut and bolt I lay a wrench to! :)

Curt


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Adam,

Boy you sure know how to pick the timing for these things! The

tube that you refer to, is it the Devek piece? If I ever have to do a

tube replacement, I would give serious consideration to the Devek part.

Hope you can get it back in working order before the drags.

Terry


Adam Birnbaum wrote:

I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my whirring
sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.

They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor. I

how much of that was the tube, $1.9K. I jokingly asked "Is that with or
without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too amused.

then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube, one
that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the stock
replacement. He said he'd check and get back to me.

The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
tonight?, we have limited garage space."

I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.

I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up, there

a salesman walking around my car, checking it out. As I stepped out of

wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car. He said
"Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models are

difficult to sell."

I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring my

and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
something I already knew.
It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me when

dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on doing
the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are stupid
enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for labor".

would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and not

everyone's time.

When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there. I fired

up, whirring sound and all. The salesman got that weird expression like

had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I

down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is out,
I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.

I'm going to kick around where I go from here. The shark drags are on

25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound. I

I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want to

the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two weeks

So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and pay a
reasonable price for the repair. Decisions, decisions.

If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell housing
this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark made

similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate. I'll
keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks for listening,

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T

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Adam, I can schedule to use one of the bays with a hydraulic lift on post

you want.

Ray Henson
88' S4 Auto - SandMetallic/Rolls Royce

-----Original Message-----
From: ADAM BIRNBAUM [mailto:adamb777@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 11:19 AM
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


Actually both Devek and 928 Int'l rebuild their A/T tubes with the extra
(third) bearing. As far as my timing goes, Yeah I know.

I'm going to put the shark up in the air tonight and see what I can see.

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: <redinger@...>
To: <PacNW928@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube

Adam,

Boy you sure know how to pick the timing for these things! The

aftermarket

tube that you refer to, is it the Devek piece? If I ever have to do a

torque

tube replacement, I would give serious consideration to the Devek part.

Hope you can get it back in working order before the drags.

Terry


Adam Birnbaum wrote:

I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my whirring
sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.

They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor. I

asked

how much of that was the tube, $1.9K. I jokingly asked "Is that with

without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too amused.

I

then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube,

that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the stock
replacement. He said he'd check and get back to me.

The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
tonight?, we have limited garage space."

I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.

I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up, there

was

a salesman walking around my car, checking it out. As I stepped out

my

wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car. He

"Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models are

very

difficult to sell."

I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring my

car

and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
something I already knew.
It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me

I

dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on

the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are stupid
enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for labor".

I

would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and not

wasted

everyone's time.

When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there. I

it

up, whirring sound and all. The salesman got that weird expression

he

had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I

rolled

down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is

I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.

I'm going to kick around where I go from here. The shark drags are on

the

25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound. I

guess

I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want to

do

the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two weeks

time.

So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and pay a
reasonable price for the repair. Decisions, decisions.

If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell

this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark

a

similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate.

keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks for listening,

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T

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All I can say is Porsche dealers are uppity pricks, I mean 3 grand to fix

torque tube? what dealer was it Barrier??? Akers seems to be pretty good i
had my 88 up there when the are went out and had the belt tensioned. Denny
said the air was electrical and sent me to another shop and charged me 100
for the adjustment...he has a pretty good rep with porsche owners in

And it really pissesd me off when they stick you with the labor and then

the need for the triple mark up on the parts...
Calvin 90 S4

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