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Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

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Well, I'm not doing much right at the moment.? Some time ago I finished a 6" f/4 (as yet uncoated) that I plan to use for a guidescope (prime focus - no secondary) for the Boltwood 16".? And I have a hankering for an 8" or 10" ultra short f/3 or f/3.5.? Also trying to work up a satisfactory design for a 10" f/5 corrected Dall-Kirkham.

Rick

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Adam Bell <adambell714@...>
Date: August 27, 2021 at 10:22 PM

I saw a Youtube video of the Moonward folks coating a mirror. Very cool.

What kind of mirrors are you making, Rick?


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Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

I saw a Youtube video of the Moonward folks coating a mirror. Very cool.

What kind of mirrors are you making, Rick?


Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

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Again, Moonward may not be in operation any more.? I notice their website is copyright 2003.

Normand Fullum does have a good reputation and he does lots of other very cool things..

OK, tentatively you can put me down for a couple of coatings.

Rick

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Adam Bell <adambell714@...>
Date: August 27, 2021 at 8:21 PM

I did not know about Moonward Coatings. I recently had a small mirror recoated by Normand Fullum. It seems like he did a good job and he has a good reputation from what I could gather.

I have a few mirrors to practice with. I wouldn't dare risk someone's fabricated mirror unless I was confident it would not be damaged.

I'm also planning on grinding some mirrors, eventually. I'm doing this little project with a friend from work and "coating" beat out "grinding" as the more interesting of the two.

I was thinking of a very basic vacuum system to start, using a few "junk" vacuum pumps from work. But then I spotted this full-fledged coating system in storage. It's probably close to 1000 lbs and will be a considerable effort to install in my basement (assuming I get the blessing to give it a new home). Not to mention the many hours needed to get it back into working condition. For the few mirrors I might produce myself, it's a little excessive. But if several other people are interested, it helps make the case for the effort.

This could be a lot of fun!


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Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

I did not know about Moonward Coatings. I recently had a small mirror recoated by Normand Fullum. It seems like he did a good job and he has a good reputation from what I could gather.

I have a few mirrors to practice with. I wouldn't dare risk someone's fabricated mirror unless I was confident it would not be damaged.

I'm also planning on grinding some mirrors, eventually. I'm doing this little project with a friend from work and "coating" beat out "grinding" as the more interesting of the two.

I was thinking of a very basic vacuum system to start, using a few "junk" vacuum pumps from work. But then I spotted this full-fledged coating system in storage. It's probably close to 1000 lbs and will be a considerable effort to install in my basement (assuming I get the blessing to give it a new home). Not to mention the many hours needed to get it back into working condition. For the few mirrors I might produce myself, it's a little excessive. But if several other people are interested, it helps make the case for the effort.

This could be a lot of fun!


Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

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I grind occasional mirrors and I know at least one other grinder who might be interested.? But we'd want to see some good results before sacrificing a mirror!? ;)? Not many people grind their own any more and I don't know how often people get their mirrors recoated.? Alan Ward at Moonward Coatings in Sudbury was doing them for many years with some intermittent gaps due to various reasons.? I'm not sure if he is still doing them but there is a website giving 'current' prices.

Rick

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Adam Bell <adambell714@...>
Date: August 27, 2021 at 2:13 PM

Hi Everyone,

I've been toying with the idea of coating my own telescope mirrors. By coating, I mean vacuum physical vapor deposition with aluminum and some kind of SiOx overcoat.

I might be able to acquire an old commercial-grade coating system, with an ~18" or so diameter chamber. It's been sitting unused for at least a decade, maybe more.

If I had the thing up and running, would anyone be interested in having their mirrors recoated locally (I live downtown Ottawa)?

I've never done this before, so it's definitely going to be amateur quality (at least initially).

Thanks,
-Adam


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Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

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That might cut down transmission significantly...

On Aug 27, 2021, at 3:17 PM, Adam Bell <adambell714@...> wrote:

Richard, if you have no mirrors, does that mean you have lenses (i.e. refractor)?

I could aluminize a lens....


Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

Richard, if you have no mirrors, does that mean you have lenses (i.e. refractor)?

I could aluminize a lens....


Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

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I don’t have any mirrors at all. ?Might there be a new customer promotion: ?“Free mirror with every recoating”?

On Aug 27, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Attilla Danko <danko@...> wrote:

Being able to drive to a coater always beats having to ship a mirror.

But i, for i one, happen to not need any mirrors coated at the moment.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 14:13 Adam Bell <adambell714@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I've been toying with the idea of coating my own telescope mirrors. By coating, I mean vacuum physical vapor deposition with aluminum and some kind of SiOx overcoat.

I might be able to acquire an old commercial-grade coating system, with an ~18" or so diameter chamber. It's been sitting unused for at least a decade, maybe more.

If I had the thing up and running, would anyone be interested in having their mirrors recoated locally (I live downtown Ottawa)?

I've never done this before, so it's definitely going to be amateur quality (at least initially).

Thanks,
-Adam




Re: Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

Being able to drive to a coater always beats having to ship a mirror.

But i, for i one, happen to not need any mirrors coated at the moment.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 14:13 Adam Bell <adambell714@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I've been toying with the idea of coating my own telescope mirrors. By coating, I mean vacuum physical vapor deposition with aluminum and some kind of SiOx overcoat.

I might be able to acquire an old commercial-grade coating system, with an ~18" or so diameter chamber. It's been sitting unused for at least a decade, maybe more.

If I had the thing up and running, would anyone be interested in having their mirrors recoated locally (I live downtown Ottawa)?

I've never done this before, so it's definitely going to be amateur quality (at least initially).

Thanks,
-Adam


Interested in Ottawa-based mirror coating for telescope optics?

 

Hi Everyone,

I've been toying with the idea of coating my own telescope mirrors. By coating, I mean vacuum physical vapor deposition with aluminum and some kind of SiOx overcoat.

I might be able to acquire an old commercial-grade coating system, with an ~18" or so diameter chamber. It's been sitting unused for at least a decade, maybe more.

If I had the thing up and running, would anyone be interested in having their mirrors recoated locally (I live downtown Ottawa)?

I've never done this before, so it's definitely going to be amateur quality (at least initially).

Thanks,
-Adam


FAll'n'Stars Star Party

 

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Hi Team:

Belleville and Kingston Centres are holding their annual star party in a couple of weeks.? Fall'n'Stars is a small friendly star party held at a really nice campground in Prince Edward County, dark skies, few bugs, lots of sky with good horizons, good facilities, and a winery next door.? Covid protocols and safety procedures are being implemented.? We get a couple of Ottawa members in attendance most years.? You can attend one night or both, there is a dinner Saturday evening.? Usual attendance is 30-40 so it's intimate.

You can get more info and a registration form at

Rick


Re: CBET 5016: PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021

 

Thanks for the comments Albert and Adam! ?Photos coming soon... I have over 281 meteors captured by one camera of during the Aug 14th outburst!

Cheers!

Pierre


Saskatchewan Smoke Sun

 

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Hi Folks,

At 5 PM (about 1.5 hours ago) here in Saskatchewan the sun turned orange from the smoke. The entire sky looked hazy but I couldn't tell if there were clouds or not. The sun was about 40 degrees above the horizon.

This is a camera photo with a 200 mm lens. The photo is a good rendering of the sun but the sky was not black as in the photo. My camera doesn't have the dynamic range to capture both the sun and the sky. No filter was used and I could look directly at the sun.

When I processed the raw image in Photoshop I noticed that if I hid the blue channel the image did not change!

Have a great day.

Bob


Re: CBET 5016: PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021

 

Wow!! You really lucked in!!


On Mon., Aug. 16, 2021, 6:24 p.m. Adam Bell, <adambell714@...> wrote:
Pierre,

Thank you for sharing! That’s an exciting discovery, it must have been a lot of fun to witness. It makes me feel inspired.

-Adam

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 11:16 PM Pierre Martin <pmartin@...> wrote:
Hello all!

I was fortunate enough to view a major, un-predicted outburst of Perseids (ZHR of 210 +/- 20) on the morning of August 14th from a dark sky site west of Ottawa.? It was a spectacular, very much un-anticipated display especially so far beyond the normal annual maximum!? In just 3 hours (2am-5am Eastern time), under 6.7 skies, I saw 395 meteors.? The best hour alone had 163 Perseids and the best 5 minute period had 22 Perseids… There were even a few instances of near simultaneous meteors that reminded me of the 2001 Leonids.? This made it the finest Perseids display that I’ve seen in my 30 years of meteor observing!? My early results have been published in a CBET Telegram by Peter Jenniskens (forwarded below)!? There is an article published on MeteorNews as well.

A more detailed report to come soon!? I did manage to quickly setup a camera/tripod to catch what I could of it : )

Clear skies,

Pierre




????????????????????????????????????????????????? Electronic Telegram No. 5016
Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
Mailing address:? Hoffman Lab 209; Harvard University;
??
e-mail:? cbatiau@... (alternate cbat@...)
URL
Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network


PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021
???? P. Jenniskens, SETI Institute and NASA Ames Research Center, reports that
CAMS video-based meteoroid orbit survey networks in the United States detected
an outburst of Perseids between 6h and 11h UT on Aug.? This outburst was not
anticipted from known 109P/Swift-Tuttle dust trail encounters.? Early results
from the new CAMS Texas network (coordinated by W. Cooney and including D.
Selle, F. Cyrway, and J. Brewer) in mostly clear skies and the CAMS
California network (P. Jenniskens, D. Samuels, J. Albers, E. Egland, B.
Grigsby, and J. Wray) in clear skies show an activity profile with peak
Zenith Hourly Rate (ZHR) 130 +/- 20 meteors/hr on top of normal ZHR = 40
Perseids/hr in average annual activity (cf. URL for
date of August 14).? The full-width-at-half-maximum of the fitted Lorentzian
profile is 0.08 +/- 0.01 degrees solar longitude.? The peak occurred at solar
longitude 141.474 +/- 0.005 degrees (equinox J2000.0), corresponding to 8h.2
UT.? The combined magnitude distribution index was 3.59 +/- 0.36, compared to
2.94 +/- 0.04 for the annual component in other years at this solar longitude.
???? P. Martin, visually observing from Ottawa, Canada, reports "multiple
Perseids per minute with many bursts, sometimes 3-4 in a second", starting
at 6h UT; he observed until 9h UT under clear skies with limiting stellar
magnitude 6.7.? From his 5-minute interval counts, K. Miskotte of the Dutch
Meteor Society calculated a peak ZHR of 210 +/- 20 meteors/hr at solar
longitude 141.474 +/- 0.005 deg.
???? This also confirms radio forward-scatter meteor observations posted by
H. Ogawa of the International Project for Radio Meteor Observation (cf. URL
), in which 49 observers in
fourteen countries saw the detection count increase above normal levels
after 6h.4 UT (141.40 deg solar longitude) and peak at about 8h.8 UT (141.49
deg) at a level three times the Perseid peak level, before declining to normal
levels at 12h.5 UT (141.65 deg solar longitude).? Combined ZHRs peaked around
ZHR = 210 meteors/hr (cf. website URL
).


NOTE: These 'Central Bureau Electronic Telegrams' are sometimes
????? superseded by text appearing later in the printed IAU Circulars.

???????????????????????? (C) Copyright 2021 CBAT
2021 August 14?????????????????? (CBET 5016)????????????? Daniel W. E. Green


Re: CBET 5016: PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021

 

Pierre,

Thank you for sharing! That’s an exciting discovery, it must have been a lot of fun to witness. It makes me feel inspired.

-Adam

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 11:16 PM Pierre Martin <pmartin@...> wrote:
Hello all!

I was fortunate enough to view a major, un-predicted outburst of Perseids (ZHR of 210 +/- 20) on the morning of August 14th from a dark sky site west of Ottawa.? It was a spectacular, very much un-anticipated display especially so far beyond the normal annual maximum!? In just 3 hours (2am-5am Eastern time), under 6.7 skies, I saw 395 meteors.? The best hour alone had 163 Perseids and the best 5 minute period had 22 Perseids… There were even a few instances of near simultaneous meteors that reminded me of the 2001 Leonids.? This made it the finest Perseids display that I’ve seen in my 30 years of meteor observing!? My early results have been published in a CBET Telegram by Peter Jenniskens (forwarded below)!? There is an article published on MeteorNews as well.

A more detailed report to come soon!? I did manage to quickly setup a camera/tripod to catch what I could of it : )

Clear skies,

Pierre




????????????????????????????????????????????????? Electronic Telegram No. 5016
Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
Mailing address:? Hoffman Lab 209; Harvard University;
??
e-mail:? cbatiau@... (alternate cbat@...)
URL
Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network


PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021
???? P. Jenniskens, SETI Institute and NASA Ames Research Center, reports that
CAMS video-based meteoroid orbit survey networks in the United States detected
an outburst of Perseids between 6h and 11h UT on Aug.? This outburst was not
anticipted from known 109P/Swift-Tuttle dust trail encounters.? Early results
from the new CAMS Texas network (coordinated by W. Cooney and including D.
Selle, F. Cyrway, and J. Brewer) in mostly clear skies and the CAMS
California network (P. Jenniskens, D. Samuels, J. Albers, E. Egland, B.
Grigsby, and J. Wray) in clear skies show an activity profile with peak
Zenith Hourly Rate (ZHR) 130 +/- 20 meteors/hr on top of normal ZHR = 40
Perseids/hr in average annual activity (cf. URL for
date of August 14).? The full-width-at-half-maximum of the fitted Lorentzian
profile is 0.08 +/- 0.01 degrees solar longitude.? The peak occurred at solar
longitude 141.474 +/- 0.005 degrees (equinox J2000.0), corresponding to 8h.2
UT.? The combined magnitude distribution index was 3.59 +/- 0.36, compared to
2.94 +/- 0.04 for the annual component in other years at this solar longitude.
???? P. Martin, visually observing from Ottawa, Canada, reports "multiple
Perseids per minute with many bursts, sometimes 3-4 in a second", starting
at 6h UT; he observed until 9h UT under clear skies with limiting stellar
magnitude 6.7.? From his 5-minute interval counts, K. Miskotte of the Dutch
Meteor Society calculated a peak ZHR of 210 +/- 20 meteors/hr at solar
longitude 141.474 +/- 0.005 deg.
???? This also confirms radio forward-scatter meteor observations posted by
H. Ogawa of the International Project for Radio Meteor Observation (cf. URL
), in which 49 observers in
fourteen countries saw the detection count increase above normal levels
after 6h.4 UT (141.40 deg solar longitude) and peak at about 8h.8 UT (141.49
deg) at a level three times the Perseid peak level, before declining to normal
levels at 12h.5 UT (141.65 deg solar longitude).? Combined ZHRs peaked around
ZHR = 210 meteors/hr (cf. website URL
).


NOTE: These 'Central Bureau Electronic Telegrams' are sometimes
????? superseded by text appearing later in the printed IAU Circulars.

???????????????????????? (C) Copyright 2021 CBAT
2021 August 14?????????????????? (CBET 5016)????????????? Daniel W. E. Green


CBET 5016: PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021

 

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Hello all!

I was fortunate enough to view a major, un-predicted outburst of Perseids (ZHR of 210 +/- 20) on the morning of August 14th from a dark sky site west of Ottawa. ?It was a spectacular, very much un-anticipated display especially so far beyond the normal annual maximum! ?In just 3 hours (2am-5am Eastern time), under 6.7 skies, I saw 395 meteors. ?The best hour alone had 163 Perseids and the best 5 minute period had 22 Perseids… There were even a few instances of near simultaneous meteors that reminded me of the 2001 Leonids. ?This made it the finest Perseids display that I’ve seen in my 30 years of meteor observing! ?My early results have been published in a CBET Telegram by Peter Jenniskens (forwarded below)! ?There is an article published on MeteorNews as well.

A more detailed report to come soon! ?I did manage to quickly setup a camera/tripod to catch what I could of it : )

Clear skies,

Pierre




????????????????????????????????????????????????? Electronic Telegram No. 5016
Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
Mailing address:? Hoffman Lab 209; Harvard University;
?20 Oxford St.; Cambridge, MA? 02138; U.S.A.
e-mail:? cbatiau@... (alternate cbat@...)
URL
Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network


PERSEID METEOR SHOWER OUTBURST 2021
???? P. Jenniskens, SETI Institute and NASA Ames Research Center, reports that
CAMS video-based meteoroid orbit survey networks in the United States detected
an outburst of Perseids between 6h and 11h UT on Aug.? This outburst was not
anticipted from known 109P/Swift-Tuttle dust trail encounters.? Early results
from the new CAMS Texas network (coordinated by W. Cooney and including D.
Selle, F. Cyrway, and J. Brewer) in mostly clear skies and the CAMS
California network (P. Jenniskens, D. Samuels, J. Albers, E. Egland, B.
Grigsby, and J. Wray) in clear skies show an activity profile with peak
Zenith Hourly Rate (ZHR) 130 +/- 20 meteors/hr on top of normal ZHR = 40
Perseids/hr in average annual activity (cf. URL for
date of August 14).? The full-width-at-half-maximum of the fitted Lorentzian
profile is 0.08 +/- 0.01 degrees solar longitude.? The peak occurred at solar
longitude 141.474 +/- 0.005 degrees (equinox J2000.0), corresponding to 8h.2
UT.? The combined magnitude distribution index was 3.59 +/- 0.36, compared to
2.94 +/- 0.04 for the annual component in other years at this solar longitude.
???? P. Martin, visually observing from Ottawa, Canada, reports "multiple
Perseids per minute with many bursts, sometimes 3-4 in a second", starting
at 6h UT; he observed until 9h UT under clear skies with limiting stellar
magnitude 6.7.? From his 5-minute interval counts, K. Miskotte of the Dutch
Meteor Society calculated a peak ZHR of 210 +/- 20 meteors/hr at solar
longitude 141.474 +/- 0.005 deg.
???? This also confirms radio forward-scatter meteor observations posted by
H. Ogawa of the International Project for Radio Meteor Observation (cf. URL
), in which 49 observers in
fourteen countries saw the detection count increase above normal levels
after 6h.4 UT (141.40 deg solar longitude) and peak at about 8h.8 UT (141.49
deg) at a level three times the Perseid peak level, before declining to normal
levels at 12h.5 UT (141.65 deg solar longitude).? Combined ZHRs peaked around
ZHR = 210 meteors/hr (cf. website URL
).


NOTE: These 'Central Bureau Electronic Telegrams' are sometimes
????? superseded by text appearing later in the printed IAU Circulars.

???????????????????????? (C) Copyright 2021 CBAT
2021 August 14?????????????????? (CBET 5016)????????????? Daniel W. E. Green


Re: hazy but clear enough for perseids

 

We are at Otter Lake, QC this week.? Last night I had the 2 youngest? and my wife on the dock to watch the "falling stars".? The 6 six old I think pretended to see some meteors but I didn't believe him as I think he just wanted me to hear what I wanted to hear.? Like an overzealous nerd astro-dad i refused to let anyone off the dock until all 4 of us witnessed a Persied together.? I got my wish and they all left me on the dock.? Funny enough....the action subsided after they went back into the cottage.? However after about 45 mins of nonethingness I was rewarded with a beauty with a 20 degree plasma trail to the south.

cheers,
Albert.


On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 2:41 PM Richard Harding <r.elleray.harding@...> wrote:
“Saskatchewan….the Province that Fun Forgot”. ? I think it’s on their license plate…..
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On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Bob Olson <r.olson@...> wrote:

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Hi Folks

Last night I was driving across Saskatchewan in the middle of nowhere. No clouds and no smoke. About a million stars and a bright Milky Way. Bright meteors occasionally flashed across the sky. I had forgotten how nice the sky can be when there are no people nearby.

Have a great day.

Bob


Re: hazy but clear enough for perseids

 

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“Saskatchewan….the Province that Fun Forgot”. ? I think it’s on their license plate…..
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On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Bob Olson <r.olson@...> wrote:

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Hi Folks

Last night I was driving across Saskatchewan in the middle of nowhere. No clouds and no smoke. About a million stars and a bright Milky Way. Bright meteors occasionally flashed across the sky. I had forgotten how nice the sky can be when there are no people nearby.

Have a great day.

Bob


Re: hazy but clear enough for perseids

 

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Hi Folks

Last night I was driving across Saskatchewan in the middle of nowhere. No clouds and no smoke. About a million stars and a bright Milky Way. Bright meteors occasionally flashed across the sky. I had forgotten how nice the sky can be when there are no people nearby.

Have a great day.

Bob


hazy but clear enough for perseids

 

Most were bright. Several left trains that left plasma trails for several seconds.

Decided i was wet enough with dew after seeing 20 meteors.

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