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Tsb 2590 mid side microphone? 8 #P48mems
Hi! I've got 4 tsb2590 laying around, would love to use three of them for a mid side dual output mic. I'm planning on use the p48 design as Jules has used in the ambi alice. How can I wire the two capsules used for sides? Should I benefit in a different design with circuitry? I've seen the mid side dual mic made from Jules, Tabitha, and I'm wondering if I could put the side capsules behind one another instead of side to side; is it a bad idea cause they got out of phase? I'm thinking of half a cm apart at best if put them like that. I'm very inexperienced in building mics: I did just build the ambi alice in the past.
Started by Muninn @ · Most recent @
Bamboo Jecklin Disk prototype
I recently did some Jecklin Disk's experiments and uploaded pictures and a three-channel test recording to this folder. At 02:18 of the test recording, a crow was kind enough to fly through the entire stereo image. :-) The recording was not edited except that the volume was increased slightly. Microphones used: Micbuilder's SimpleP48 based on DJJules Sound Sleuthers instructables! The three-channel Jecklin Disk stereo image recording method (one mic for the center...) is part of the OSIS 3-2-1 surround recording technique, which Jecklin used to record orchestras. In addition to other known recording methods he utilized two discs to record image and space. The three channel Jecklin Image Disk I experimented with in the field is a little larger (and looking like a scarecrow?! :-). A number of original scripts by J¨¹rg Jecklin on this topic are made available by the University of Music and Performing Arts Vienna under the following link (for private use and for study purposes...): https://www.mdw.ac.at/derton/tm-downloads/ (all scripts are written in Jecklin¡¯s native language...).
Started by Heinz @
OPA1642 SPICE Models 7 #dualopaalice
I'm having fun with variations on the OPA Alice circuit and would like to be able to model using SPICE in KiCAD. I found the model on TI's website but it doesn't have the correct subcircuit for a 1642, which has 8 pins. I modified that lib with the following: ``` * Added by matthew to model the 8-pin OPA1642AID .SUBCKT OPA1642AID OUT_A IN-_A IN+_A VEE IN+_B IN-_B OUT_B VCC XU1 IN+_A IN-_A VCC VEE OUT_A OPA164x XU2 IN+_B IN-_B VCC VEE OUT_B OPA164x .ENDS OPA1642AID ``` I then made sure that the pins match the symbol in my schematic, but when I tried to run an OP test, I got a bunch of warning and errors. Before I go down the path of trying to trouble-shoot all of this, does anyone have any experience with this who can offer any advice for modeling the OPA Alice circuit? PS. I'm very new to electronics. I am a software engineer and have worked adjacent to and have even manage electrical engineers but this is not my area of expertise.
Started by matthewsewell @ · Most recent @
Microphone Output Impedance 33
Hello, everyone. I am someone who has been receiving a lot of help from this community. Recently, I have been studying microphone output impedance. I noticed that there are various terms commonly used, such as "output impedance" and "symmetrical impedance."First of all, I am confused about the definitions of these terms. Can I assume that the two terms mean the same thing? From what I understand: "Output Impedance" refers to the impedance between Pin 2 and ground on the microphone. "symmetrical Impedance" refers to the impedance between Pin 2 and Pin 3 on the microphone. If that is correct, I would like to know whether the impedance values provided by manufacturers refer to output impedance or symmetrical impedance. Secondly, I have a question about the method for measuring impedance. From what I have studied, among the XLR pins (GND-1, HOT(+)-2, COLD(-)-3): In the case of measuring condenser microphone impedance using voltage drop, should I connect the load RL between Pin 2 and Pin 3 to calculate the impedance? Or should I connect separate loads RL between Pin 2 and ground, and Pin 3 and ground, to calculate the impedance? Which method is correct? Thank you for reading. I hope you all wrap up the year well!
Started by kandoit7 @ · Most recent @
Microphone output impedance 3
Question for the group on this. What is the correct frequency to measure the output impedance? I am assuming referenced to 1Khz. Or should it be 20hz to 20Khz? What do manufacturers spec? I checked DPA's site and they just list a value. -- Best Regards, Jules Ryckebusch 214 399 0931 Linkedin
Started by Jules Ryckebusch @ · Most recent @
Zephyr / David Searle
I'm trying to get in touch with David Searle, aka Zephyr on MicBuilders. David, if you are still looking in occasionally, the email address I have for your no longer works. My old email address no longer works either :( So please use this one to reply Richard Lee aka Ricardo ricardo_lee@...
Started by Richard Lee @
SMD transistors for Alice/Schoeps 10
Hi All, Happy new year (if it¡¯s not too late to say it!) Any thoughts on SMD replacements (or improvements!) on the through hole 2N5087? I¡¯m looking to squeeze eight or more circuits onto a single board, so the smaller the better. Any ideas greatly received Cheers Jack
Started by jack @ · Most recent @
short pickup range options 18
hi all - i'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for electrets (or possibly other forms) with an extremely short pickup range. i'm looking to do some experiments and i want to minimize all non-essential sounds. thanks!
Started by cx b @ · Most recent @
Active noise cancelling for microphones in noisy environments - techniques? 13
Hi All, Do you know of any designs or indeed PCB modules for active noise cancelling in a microphone? I repeatedly encounter two situations recently where background acoustic noise is a significant problem when needing to use a microphone. Using a dynamic mic helps a bit, but still fails to cull enough noise. It has gotten me curious about whether there's an active noise cancelling solution. A) Commentating on a rowing competition: This involves cycling down a towpath, with a headset mic on, meaning weight and size limitations. Spectators are typically standing alongside the towpath, cheering. Bank party crews use whistles and air horns to signal to the rowers distances. So all of this noise is largely within the speech frequency band and is coming from in front, behind and to one side of the cycle commentator. B) Flying a General Aviation aircraft: To keep aircraft weight down most light aircraft don't have much acoustic dampening between the engine and the cockpit. So the cockpit is rather noisy both acoustically (and electromagnetically). To communicate with each other and air traffic control via the radios, we use headsets with microphones. The headphone side of things is usually passively noise cancelled at minimum, and many people opt for actively noise cancelled headphones. However by the looks of things, the mic side of things is less clever: it's typically a cardioid pressure gradient electret, or a cardioid dynamic. The noise is predominantly coming from the front, with a particular prominence in the lower frequency end of the speech band from the engine. It's not lost on me that most unidirectional mics tend not to be that directional in the lower frequency range. (NB: there are no certification requirements for the mic/headphone side of the comms equipment for the aircraft I fly) It got me wondering: Would some sort of active noise cancelling for the mic be possible, or is a single directional mic transducer plus a speech band-pass filter the best we can hope for? Is there a good speech processing DSP chip which can identify a speech signal, and chase the signal frequencies, filtering off other frequencies? Could we use multiple small transducers and employ beamforming? If so, are there any PCB modules doing this (e.g. from conference room boundary mics) In other words, how would you achieve real-time speech isolation in these noisy environments?
Started by michaeljtbrooks@... @ · Most recent @
Freshwater Soundscapes... 15
I watched an interesting BioacousTalk today. It has nothing to do with MicBuilding, but can be inspiring for hydrophone builders, bio-acoustics researchers and musicians alike. It's mainly about Freshwater Soundscapes in ponds... Have fun!
Started by Heinz @ · Most recent @
Learning more - Ultrasonic Microphone building 24
Learning more about building ultrasonic microphones, I posted a while ago about ultrasonic electret mics. I've found the advantages of them for sure, being nice and easy. learning more and more though, I'm looking for something that gets up to 100k, like the oh-so expensive Sanken CO-100k. I've measured up to 40k on the electret mics that i'm using, which is very nice. but I want more. does anyone offer capsules that have that sort of response? If not, what are the other options for achieving this high of a response? Is the only option to build them myself? As a sound designer, I'm looking to capture the largest amount of frequencies possible. Thank you again, you incredibly knowledgeable people! -Soundwich
Started by soundwichartist@... @ · Most recent @
How to implement SimpleP48 with PUI 5035 three-pin design? 22
Hello everybody. I'm going to try for the first time to build a microphone with a PUIaudio AOM-5035 capsule + SimpleP48. The choice of this capsule is due to the fact that I need 135dB SPL of maximum sound pressure. My question is: since the capsule has three pins, is it enough to add a 48k resistance to the drain and maintain the manufacturer's recommendation? I attach the manufacturer's recommended drive circuit. The capacitor, could it be a 10uF 25v DC Aluminum Electrolytic? I thank you in advance for your contribution and wisdom. Gustavo
Started by gustavoafonsoalmeida@... @ · Most recent @
Alternatives to Aluminium Electrolytic Capacitors 4
Hi all, I've been using polarised aluminium electrolytic caps in my designs as per the advice of members here and also how they are used in schematics like the Alice, etc. This has been going great, though I'm currently working on a pencil mic and to fit into the tiny space my circuit board (and also the mic body) has gotten very long, so I was hoping I might be able to shrink down some of my largest components ¡ª great big capacitors. I have already been following the guidelines for minimum component spacing from PCBWay, and this has helped, smaller component footprints would help further. My understanding is that aluminium electrolytic caps are a great combo of cheap, able to reach large values, and stable in a large range of conditions. I briefly looked into MLCC's, but quickly found multiple sources saying that these are not stable enough to be suitable for precision audio circuits. All of the evidence I've found so far tells me that the polarisation of electrolytic caps is a limitation rather than a useful design trait, but I wanted to double-check with you folks whether there is some secret usefulness to the polarisation when it comes to the subtleties of microphone building. If polarisation is required, that limits my choices. In light of that, is there an alternative kind of cap I could be using in my designs that is more compact, perhaps with the trade-off of being more expensive? I only need a handful and I'm not mass-producing these, so components in the range of dollars instead of cents is not a big deal in this case ¡ª I'm much more concerned about making a smaller PCB. The only values for electrolytic caps that I'm using in this design are 47uF and 4.7uF, so even if there is an alternative for the smaller value that will help a little. Cheers, Zander.
Started by Zander @ · Most recent @
Rode NT1-A requires 3 minutes warm-up time 67
Hi together I recently purchased a Rode NT1-a from a thrift store with a ¡°No Tone¡± sticker on it. If I connect it to the audio interface and activate phantom power it doesn't work. Miraculously, after three minutes of warm-up time, the gain meters start and the NT1-a seems to be working perfectly. The sound is crisp and clear. No noise can be heard either. I opened the mic body. The circuit board and the caps look clean. The only thing I have noticed so far is that there is some dirt and dust on the capsule diaphragm. Does anyone have an idea what might be wrong? Should I replace the capsule? Many thanks! Heinz @NaturePattern
Started by Heinz @ · Most recent @
Piezo tubes 5
Morning all, I¡¯m on the hunt for some piezo tubes and came across this supplier: Search physikinstrumente.co.uk They seem to have a wide range of sizes and thicknesses available and I wondered what the theory is behind the dimensions of the tube for hydrophone purposes. Is bigger and thinner always going to be better? Any insights gratefully received, Jack
Started by jack @ · Most recent @
Stuart Green's - Earth Magnetometer Project
Today I stumbled upon an interesting project that might also be of interest to some mic builders. It appears that Stuart recently detected a rare sine wave in the magnetosphere, during one of the strongest geomagnetic storms in the current solar cycle. The following article contains lots of useful information about his DIY methods (IMHO). I dropped it to Heinz_Files.: ...Earth Magnetometer Project... A interesting video on the topic: Timelapse of Aurora Borealis with Sonification of Solar Wind...
Started by Heinz @
Cheap USB powered condenser microphone. Need advice on design. 11
Hello, I've drafted up a DIY design that I think could work to drive an electret capsule like the TSB-2555B through the use of a DC-DC converter (IEB0105S12) to derive a stepped up voltage from the 5V supply rail of a USB soundcard. The generated voltage of the microphone is fed into an amplification circuit from the OPA-Alice circuit. Presented below is the proposed amplification scheme: Similar to the aforementioned OPA-Alice circuit, the amplifier to be used is planned to be the OPA1642. The USB soundcard to be integrated to the design utilizes a CM108 IC with an input range of 2.88 V pk-to-pk and a default input signal gain stage of 20dB (gain of 10). I am relatively new to the design of microphone circuitry and this design is heavily inspired the by videos and instructables from DIY Perkz and DJJules. I would like to ask for advice regarding the design choices made and the validity/viability of the proposed design.
Started by Timothy Aguana @ · Most recent @
Rode VXLR+ noise 4
I purchased a Rode VXLR+ recently and was very disappointed by the noise introduced by this adapter. I compared a Rode SmartLav+ connected via a TRRS to TRS adapter to the VXLR+ versus a SM58 dynamic mic. With the gains set so that both mics had the same response to a sound source, the SmartLav+ via the VXLR+ had a much higher background hiss, to the point of being unusable. I got a similar noise level when I connected a 2.2k resistor to the VXLR+ instead of the SmartLav+. This SmartLav+ works fine plugged directly into a Zoom H1N. I have read several good reviews of this adapter and a few who have found it very noisy as well. Zach Poff has published the schematics for the VXLR+ here https://www.zachpoff.com/resources/testing-xlr-adapters-with-plug-in-power/ I assume the noise is coming from the zener D1. I measured the capacitance of C1 and it did measure 10uF. I have not tried to measure its esr. I changed C1 to a low esr 100uF tantalum capacitor (KEMET Part Number: T520B107M010ATE070). This has a wider body than the original, so you need to offset it towards the center of the PCB so it does not touch the side of the case. The noise level of my modified VXLR+ is now below the self noise of the SmartLav+. I have also since made some recordings of birds with this adapter connected to a AOM-5024L. Perhaps my VXLR+ was just a bad one due to variability in zener self noise and capacitor esr. However I am surprised how little effort has been made to filter noise from D1. A simple additional RC filter could make a big difference without making any significant difference to the cost. David Walton
Started by David Walton @ · Most recent @
Another weird idea 15
Ever since I built a few pairs of Jules' hydrophones, I have been interested in new ways to make recordings with things other than traditional diaphragm microphones. I have been thinking about building a set of contact mics using Jules' circuit and a flat piezo disk. One of the things I want to record is a passing train. Then I got to thinking...I also having been tinkering with electric guitar builds and I have a few cheap pickups from kit guitars where I replaced them with better ones. Rails are steel. Like guitar strings. What about putting a pickup on each rail. Run them through direct boxes and into my Mixpre and record a passing train?
Started by Mark Day @ · Most recent @
Cheap electrets that go up to 40kHz? 6
Hi all - Any recommendations for cheap-ish electret elements that go up to 40kHz? Thanks!
Started by cx b @ · Most recent @
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