David, do you have any recommendations for a ribbon mic build? I have done 1 ribbon kit and 1 from scratch save for the body.

Best Regards,
Dude

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:48 AM David Pinnegar <antespam@...> wrote:

I use a Sanyo Xacti ICR-XPS01M but these are as rare as hens' teeth
and have also used a Tascam DR40 both to great effect.

Separate mics need mic stands and setting up, which isn't particularly
audience recording friendly.

AKG D202s are great as are the D200s. The D224s aren't as robust.


For pencil mics Takstar CM60 are excellent but need phantom power.

I've really moved to ribbons but possibly too fragile for your application.

Best wishes

David P

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 2:48?AM W2HX <w2hx@...> wrote:

Hello, I am a new member and a newbie to recording.



I am looking to create a simple, transportable set up to record live rock/jam band concerts from the audience without access to the soundboard. I purchased a Tascam Portacapture X8 and I have been learning the ins and outs. My first attempt for microphones were these low-cost pencil mics from amazon: I used them and found that the sound was pretty awful, even for a novice. They were very thin sounding and lacked bass.



I am looking to this group for a recommendation on a pair of mics that would be more suitable for this purpose (loud concerts recorded from the audience). I think they should be directional, but I am not wedded to pencil or booms, unless the folks here think those are the right solutions. My budget is about $200 per mic but happy to spend less if I could or could stretch a bit if necessary.



I did look at the Sennheiser MKE 440 as the sound seemed really good. What I don’t love about it is that it needs its own batteries. I would prefer something that could use the phantom power of the Tascam (or no power if dynamic) or USB powered, but I am not looking for the audio to pass over USB, I think XLR would be the way to go. I also don’t love the idea of the built in cable as others have noted.



Can anyone recommend a pair of mics that sound good, can use either no power or power from the Tascam or a USB-C power connector and XLR if possible. The Tascam X8 does have a 1/8” (3.5mm) line-in jack but not sure how well that will work.



Ok, enough from me. Thank in advance for your thoughts.



73 Eugene W2HX

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On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 06:01 PM, Jules Ryckebusch wrote:

If you want to build something that will
Work and sounds good try these:

This is a good setup.
My $0.02 is that these recorders often have much better performance on their XLR inputs than the 3.5mm PIP jack.? You can build the *SimpleP48* circuit into the male XLR plug to take full advantage of this.
An alternative is a *Binaural* recording setup.? Our own Len Moskowitz sells

which is a very reasonable high quality product.? You clip the mikes to your hat or other suitable headgear.? These are omnis so aren't as susceptible to wind noise.

On Nov 9, 2023, at 06:09, Richards <jrichards@...> wrote:

?If you really want to remove heat then cover the mic holes with a little sticker and put some water between it and the heatsink.
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Gee ... um ... I would not chance doing that. I suspect water inside the capsule is contraindicated - and it would be easy to accomplish with capsules with rear air ventilation.

I do not always melt the pre-soldered pads. Instead, I use a low melting temperature solder to solder the lead wires atop or to the original solder pads. The new solder often activates the old solder so it becomes one gooey mess before cooling, and if not, the wires are soldered atop the original pads. Hope this makes sense. JHR

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On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 06:01 PM, Jules Ryckebusch wrote:

If you want to build something that will

Work and sounds good try these:?

This is a good setup.

My $0.02 is that these recorders often have much better performance on their XLR inputs than the 3.5mm PIP jack.? You can build the SimpleP48 circuit into the male XLR plug to take full advantage of this.

An alternative is a Binaural recording setup.? Our own Len Moskowitz sells

which is a very reasonable high quality product.? You clip the mikes to your hat or other suitable headgear.? These are omnis so aren't as susceptible to wind noise.

Hello, I am a new member and a newbie to recording.



I am looking to create a simple, transportable set up to record live rock/jam band concerts from the audience without access to the soundboard. I purchased a Tascam Portacapture X8 and I have been learning the ins and outs. My first attempt for microphones were these low-cost pencil mics from amazon: I used them and found that the sound was pretty awful, even for a novice. They were very thin sounding and lacked bass.



I am looking to this group for a recommendation on a pair of mics that would be more suitable for this purpose (loud concerts recorded from the audience). I think they should be directional, but I am not wedded to pencil or booms, unless the folks here think those are the right solutions. My budget is about $200 per mic but happy to spend less if I could or could stretch a bit if necessary.



I did look at the Sennheiser MKE 440 as the sound seemed really good. What I don’t love about it is that it needs its own batteries. I would prefer something that could use the phantom power of the Tascam (or no power if dynamic) or USB powered, but I am not looking for the audio to pass over USB, I think XLR would be the way to go. I also don’t love the idea of the built in cable as others have noted.



Can anyone recommend a pair of mics that sound good, can use either no power or power from the Tascam or a USB-C power connector and XLR if possible. The Tascam X8 does have a 1/8” (3.5mm) line-in jack but not sure how well that will work.



Ok, enough from me. Thank in advance for your thoughts.



73 Eugene W2HX

Youtube Channel:

On 8 Nov 2023, at 18:14, Casey via groups.io <mbuilders@...> wrote:

?Thanks -- but in the jig he posted it looks like you set the capsules in the slots and then put the enclosing piece in place, i.e. you're not pushing them into the hole? Maybe just to make it easier if you don't feel like taking the jig apart to swap out capsules?

On 11/8/23 10:08, jack wrote:
So the diaphragm isn’t pressured when you insert the capsule into the hole

On 8 Nov 2023, at 17:50, Casey via groups.io <mbuilders@...> wrote:

?Thanks! Why do the jigs always have smaller holes through the bottom? I could see it making sense in a blind hole situation so the part would slide in and out without air compression/rarefaction, but why in a jig like that?

On 11/8/23 05:42, Nick Roast wrote:
This is the jig and heatsink we use for soldering 10 mm capsules. The loose piece is held in place with elastic bands to keep the capsules steady and in good thermal contact with the sink. We have been using lead free solder for many years, its not as shiny and can often look like a dry joint, but it has been problem free.

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Hi

Ive noticed a TASCAM set of 4 drum mics, 2 dynamic and 2 capacitor (48V)?

for ?160?

thought they might work well with your recorder you'll need a stereo bar but the kit comes with 2 mic clips

is your recorder able to record 4 channels at once? have you tried the onboard mics?

you'll also need 2 or 4 xlr leads

if you dont like the sound of the dynamics you could?

allways sell them on

but test them out?at a very loud concert first

?

All the best

Dow Fereday

LTS Studios UK

So the diaphragm isn’t pressured when you insert the capsule into the hole

On 8 Nov 2023, at 17:50, Casey via groups.io <mbuilders@...> wrote:

?Thanks! Why do the jigs always have smaller holes through the bottom? I could see it making sense in a blind hole situation so the part would slide in and out without air compression/rarefaction, but why in a jig like that?

On 11/8/23 05:42, Nick Roast wrote:
This is the jig and heatsink we use for soldering 10 mm capsules. The loose piece is held in place with elastic bands to keep the capsules steady and in good thermal contact with the sink. We have been using lead free solder for many years, its not as shiny and can often look like a dry joint, but it has been problem free.

On 8 Nov 2023, at 17:50, Casey via groups.io <mbuilders@...> wrote:

?Thanks! Why do the jigs always have smaller holes through the bottom? I could see it making sense in a blind hole situation so the part would slide in and out without air compression/rarefaction, but why in a jig like that?

On 11/8/23 05:42, Nick Roast wrote:
This is the jig and heatsink we use for soldering 10 mm capsules. The loose piece is held in place with elastic bands to keep the capsules steady and in good thermal contact with the sink. We have been using lead free solder for many years, its not as shiny and can often look like a dry joint, but it has been problem free.

This is the jig and heatsink we use for soldering 10 mm capsules. The loose piece is held in place with elastic bands to keep the capsules steady and in good thermal contact with the sink.? We have been using lead free solder for many years, its not as shiny and can often look like a dry joint, but it has been problem free.