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My Mill, lathe and CNC router table are all still running M3 on XP machines. I can't say I've ever had a hiccup of any kind. Then again as an electronics design engineer to begin with, all my wiring , controller layouts and etc are well built, shielded, and I know precisely how every I/O, pinout, software stub etc works.

I'm sure these older boxes will croak sooner or later and will have to seriously consider M4 at some point. I'm hoping i can skip a gen and next update of my toys will be M5.?? :-)

I spent 35+ years in a previous life as a factory manufacturing and Test automation systems design engineer, so building up a Mach controlled infrastructure was dirt simple for me. Mod'ed screen layouts, adding macros behind extra screen buttons, and most of all., extra screen prompts to control the biggest error mechanism... that analog computer between the operators eye balls and the keyboard.?? :-)

The evolution of Windows over the years has indeed wrecked havoc on many situations. As some mentioned, think how much work corporate insistence on updating (to retain support) their Win environment effects 100's of automated robotic factory and office systems and procedures.

These days I work mostly with massive high performance computers. AI and machine learning. It has only fortified my understanding that computers are DUMB machines. There is no such thing as AI. It's just a different decision tree flow. Computers are only as smart as the programmer that taught them. AI is also even showing effects of human bigotry and racism. (learning models grab the most common idioms of the day) you can see the 'loss of discretion' in most any google search in the results returned??? the loss of human compassion for one another.

Why do they update windows? They need a product to sell. ...can't stay in business it you're not selling something to support expansion. Why all the updates?? Fixing the bugs and flat programming errors from the original releases. Still blows my mind today...software is the only product in the world you buy but don't own. If it doesn't work you can't return it, and you're not allowed to fix it yourself.
why add the features back? in-situ users are not the bulk of the sales. The younger generations using computers suck up on all the bells and whistles and just view it as 'that's the way it is' and 'it'll get fixed soon enough' mentality.

sorry... stepping down of the soap box ....

ptegler

Also, Andy at Warp9 provides the absolute BEST support in this segment. He WILL get you going. Forum there first, then he will Teamviewer in to your computer if he has to to get you going. That said, following the steps right down the line in the link provided, should get you going. The absolute biggest obstacle with Mach4 is thinking it's Mach3, it ain't, trust me.

Mach 4 is SOOooo.... much better than Mach3 at running the machine and getting customized that it's actually stunning. Keep at it. The end result is worth it.

Tom

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:36 PM spencer@... <spencer@...> wrote:

Yes i downloaded and printed the 51 pages did not see anything about hotkeys but the youtube looks promising.Maybe i missed another doc. Can not do many youtubes at high res with our viasat rip off. Still need to know why motor settings csn not be entered

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Spencer:

Did you check out the docs about setting up Mach4 at warp9td site?

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Subject: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

I spent hours trying to get mach4 to work with ess. Boy is the configuration a confusing mess.

two things i just can't get to work but i am sure there will be others once i test my lube control and other things.

i think i can live without my customizations at least for a while but i just wanted to see if mach4 is really any better and worth the effort.

I CAN NOT GET MOTOR TUNING TO WORK. i have all pins assigned etc and i can run a test gcode but the steps are totally wrong and need to be changed. in the appropriate place (something like config control motors) i have the familiar motor tuning screen similar to mach3. however the steps speed and accel are greyed out and i can not enter anything. by default all motor checkboxes were checked and i unchecked and checked until i was exhausted. nothing i could do would let me enter the values.

also i can not find anywhere where hotkeys are assigned. i found a tutorial you tube by a woman who sounds very authoritative so i think i might have found the answer but i have viasat internet and videos are blurry pixels at anything other than high res which means i have to wait weeks for vids to load. this is why i seriously shy away from youtube. 
we are in the list for starlink and hope to get it soon so we will be in the 20th or is that 21st century like everyone else.

with all the fabulous improvements WTF can't there be a downloadable pdf worth shit? i have a great manual for mach3 and did not have many problems installing or using it other than a few here and there and the bugs which have prompted me to try mach4.

so maybe hotkeys and other kule keyboard stuff will be explained buy the very confident sounding woman if i live long enough to download the high res video

however trying to find out why motor tuning is greyed out could take me into the next century trying to find the answer.

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Spencer,

I need to be at my desk for a bit later today and I am more than happy to go over this with you.and get it setup. I know you have been doing this for a long time and I know you shouldn't have any trouble. I would like to know if we can do anything to make it better.

Thanks

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the problem is that i printed out the 51 pages of instructions because i like to keep the shop machine offline.

i went through every step necessary for a basic configuration? i did not bother with custom stuff yet but looked at the possibilities

i found a video that addresses the keyboard? and hotkeys

so my only problem is that i can not set the motor steps speed etc. the entry boxes are greyed out no matter what i do with checkboxes

Also, Andy at Warp9 provides the absolute BEST support in this segment. He WILL get you going. Forum there first, then he will Teamviewer in to your computer if he has to to get you going. That said, following the steps right down the line in the link provided, should get you going. The absolute biggest obstacle with Mach4 is thinking it's Mach3, it ain't, trust me.

Mach 4 is SOOooo.... much better than Mach3 at running the machine and getting customized that it's actually stunning. Keep at it. The end result is worth it.

Tom

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:36 PM spencer@... <spencer@...> wrote:

Yes i downloaded and printed the 51 pages did not see anything about hotkeys but the youtube looks promising.Maybe i missed another doc. Can not do many youtubes at high res with our viasat rip off. Still need to know why motor settings csn not be entered

On March 26, 2021 7:24:03 PM PDT, Andy Wander <ohawiseguyeh@...> wrote:

Spencer:

Did you check out the docs about setting up Mach4 at warp9td site?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

I spent hours trying to get mach4 to work with ess. Boy is the configuration a confusing mess.

two things i just can't get to work but i am sure there will be others once i test my lube control and other things.

i think i can live without my customizations at least for a while but i just wanted to see if mach4 is really any better and worth the effort.

I CAN NOT GET MOTOR TUNING TO WORK. i have all pins assigned etc and i can run a test gcode but the steps are totally wrong and need to be changed. in the appropriate place (something like config control motors) i have the familiar motor tuning screen similar to mach3. however the steps speed and accel are greyed out and i can not enter anything. by default all motor checkboxes were checked and i unchecked and checked until i was exhausted. nothing i could do would let me enter the values.

also i can not find anywhere where hotkeys are assigned. i found a tutorial you tube by a woman who sounds very authoritative so i think i might have found the answer but i have viasat internet and videos are blurry pixels at anything other than high res which means i have to wait weeks for vids to load. this is why i seriously shy away from youtube. 
we are in the list for starlink and hope to get it soon so we will be in the 20th or is that 21st century like everyone else.

with all the fabulous improvements WTF can't there be a downloadable pdf worth shit? i have a great manual for mach3 and did not have many problems installing or using it other than a few here and there and the bugs which have prompted me to try mach4.

so maybe hotkeys and other kule keyboard stuff will be explained buy the very confident sounding woman if i live long enough to download the high res video

however trying to find out why motor tuning is greyed out could take me into the next century trying to find the answer.

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yes that is the problem settings being all over the place but i think i finally did figure out where everything is.

i have not set up hotkeys yet

my machine will run a gcode but i never got to set motor steps etc so it is useless.

I’d check my install for you and see if I can figure out where you are going wrong, but my electric has been out since last night around 5:30, and the machine is not on a generator circuit.

?

It is a little confusing since you need to set up both pins and signals separately in ESS config, and also need to set things up in Mach4 config. It always takes me a minute or two to figure out what’s up when I need to change or check something in the setup.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 10:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

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Yes i downloaded and printed the 51 pages did not see anything about hotkeys but the youtube looks promising.Maybe i missed another doc. Can not do many youtubes at high res with our viasat rip off. Still need to know why motor settings csn not be entered

On March 26, 2021 7:24:03 PM PDT, Andy Wander <ohawiseguyeh@...> wrote:

Spencer:

Did you check out the docs about setting up Mach4 at warp9td site?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

I spent hours trying to get mach4 to work with ess. Boy is the configuration a confusing mess.

two things i just can't get to work but i am sure there will be others once i test my lube control and other things.

i think i can live without my customizations at least for a while but i just wanted to see if mach4 is really any better and worth the effort.

I CAN NOT GET MOTOR TUNING TO WORK. i have all pins assigned etc and i can run a test gcode but the steps are totally wrong and need to be changed. in the appropriate place (something like config control motors) i have the familiar motor tuning screen similar to mach3. however the steps speed and accel are greyed out and i can not enter anything. by default all motor checkboxes were checked and i unchecked and checked until i was exhausted. nothing i could do would let me enter the values.

also i can not find anywhere where hotkeys are assigned. i found a tutorial you tube by a woman who sounds very authoritative so i think i might have found the answer but i have viasat internet and videos are blurry pixels at anything other than high res which means i have to wait weeks for vids to load. this is why i seriously shy away from youtube. 
we are in the list for starlink and hope to get it soon so we will be in the 20th or is that 21st century like everyone else.

with all the fabulous improvements WTF can't there be a downloadable pdf worth shit? i have a great manual for mach3 and did not have many problems installing or using it other than a few here and there and the bugs which have prompted me to try mach4.

so maybe hotkeys and other kule keyboard stuff will be explained buy the very confident sounding woman if i live long enough to download the high res video

however trying to find out why motor tuning is greyed out could take me into the next century trying to find the answer.

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At this point I have just one problem. I want to prove that mach4 will work for me and maybe take the transition slowly since i have a few customizations that i really like.

When I try configure control motor all the entry boxes are greyed out but i must have pins right and checked boxes to use the axis because they move when i run a gcode.

i am going to look one more time for something that might not be checked

if you have any places to look in mach4 config or ESS config or any place out that might be responsible for the motor setting page to not think there are motors? again they move under program control.

Spencer,

I need to be at my desk for a bit later today and I am more than happy to go over this with you.and get it setup. I know you have been doing this for a long time and I know you shouldn't have any trouble. I would like to know if we can do anything to make it better.

Thanks

Brian

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On 3/26/2021 10:35 PM, spencer@... wrote:

Yes i downloaded and printed the 51 pages did not see anything about hotkeys but the youtube looks promising.Maybe i missed another doc. Can not do many youtubes at high res with our viasat rip off. Still need to know why motor settings csn not be entered

On March 26, 2021 7:24:03 PM PDT, Andy Wander <ohawiseguyeh@...> wrote:

Spencer:

Did you check out the docs about setting up Mach4 at warp9td site?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

I spent hours trying to get mach4 to work with ess. Boy is the configuration a confusing mess.

two things i just can't get to work but i am sure there will be others once i test my lube control and other things.

i think i can live without my customizations at least for a while but i just wanted to see if mach4 is really any better and worth the effort.

I CAN NOT GET MOTOR TUNING TO WORK. i have all pins assigned etc and i can run a test gcode but the steps are totally wrong and need to be changed. in the appropriate place (something like config control motors) i have the familiar motor tuning screen similar to mach3. however the steps speed and accel are greyed out and i can not enter anything. by default all motor checkboxes were checked and i unchecked and checked until i was exhausted. nothing i could do would let me enter the values.

also i can not find anywhere where hotkeys are assigned. i found a tutorial you tube by a woman who sounds very authoritative so i think i might have found the answer but i have viasat internet and videos are blurry pixels at anything other than high res which means i have to wait weeks for vids to load. this is why i seriously shy away from youtube. 
we are in the list for starlink and hope to get it soon so we will be in the 20th or is that 21st century like everyone else.

with all the fabulous improvements WTF can't there be a downloadable pdf worth shit? i have a great manual for mach3 and did not have many problems installing or using it other than a few here and there and the bugs which have prompted me to try mach4.

so maybe hotkeys and other kule keyboard stuff will be explained buy the very confident sounding woman if i live long enough to download the high res video

however trying to find out why motor tuning is greyed out could take me into the next century trying to find the answer.

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it works. i do have to say that plain text is not conventionally used as an indicator of a button or clickable link or any active screen component. there are all sorts of ways of calling attention to an active component or link? using plain text is just plain wrong. below is what you said that had me confused suggesting that i should be able to find a button icon of some sort etc. when you said that you have to click on the Motor)? text that made it clear.

but you also have to click on the
Motor0, or whatever,

One more time ----- on the Motors tab of the Configure Control panel you will see a list of motors on the right side.

?

You must click on the Motor0 text, not the check box, so that it highlights with a blue background. Then you will be able to edit parameters.

?

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Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

At this point I have just one problem. I want to prove that mach4 will work for me and maybe take the transition slowly since i have a few customizations that i really like.

When I try configure control motor all the entry boxes are greyed out but i must have pins right and checked boxes to use the axis because they move when i run a gcode.

i am going to look one more time for something that might not be checked

if you have any places to look in mach4 config or ESS config or any place out that might be responsible for the motor setting page to not think there are motors? again they move under program control.

On 3/27/2021 6:49 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

Spencer,

I need to be at my desk for a bit later today and I am more than happy to go over this with you.and get it setup. I know you have been doing this for a long time and I know you shouldn't have any trouble. I would like to know if we can do anything to make it better.

Thanks

Brian

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Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage: 

On 3/26/2021 10:35 PM, spencer@... wrote:

Yes i downloaded and printed the 51 pages did not see anything about hotkeys but the youtube looks promising.Maybe i missed another doc. Can not do many youtubes at high res with our viasat rip off. Still need to know why motor settings csn not be entered

On March 26, 2021 7:24:03 PM PDT, Andy Wander <ohawiseguyeh@...> wrote:

Spencer:

Did you check out the docs about setting up Mach4 at warp9td site?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:29 PM
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Subject: [MachCNC] mach 4 and ess

I spent hours trying to get mach4 to work with ess. Boy is the configuration a confusing mess.

two things i just can't get to work but i am sure there will be others once i test my lube control and other things.

i think i can live without my customizations at least for a while but i just wanted to see if mach4 is really any better and worth the effort.

I CAN NOT GET MOTOR TUNING TO WORK. i have all pins assigned etc and i can run a test gcode but the steps are totally wrong and need to be changed. in the appropriate place (something like config control motors) i have the familiar motor tuning screen similar to mach3. however the steps speed and accel are greyed out and i can not enter anything. by default all motor checkboxes were checked and i unchecked and checked until i was exhausted. nothing i could do would let me enter the values.

also i can not find anywhere where hotkeys are assigned. i found a tutorial you tube by a woman who sounds very authoritative so i think i might have found the answer but i have viasat internet and videos are blurry pixels at anything other than high res which means i have to wait weeks for vids to load. this is why i seriously shy away from youtube. 
we are in the list for starlink and hope to get it soon so we will be in the 20th or is that 21st century like everyone else.

with all the fabulous improvements WTF can't there be a downloadable pdf worth shit? i have a great manual for mach3 and did not have many problems installing or using it other than a few here and there and the bugs which have prompted me to try mach4.

so maybe hotkeys and other kule keyboard stuff will be explained buy the very confident sounding woman if i live long enough to download the high res video

however trying to find out why motor tuning is greyed out could take me into the next century trying to find the answer.

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My Mill, lathe and CNC router table are all still running M3 on XP machines. I can't say I've ever had a hiccup of any kind. Then again as an electronics design engineer to begin with, all my wiring , controller layouts and etc are well built, shielded, and I know precisely how every I/O, pinout, software stub etc works.

I'm sure these older boxes will croak sooner or later and will have to seriously consider M4 at some point. I'm hoping i can skip a gen and next update of my toys will be M5. :-)

Why do they update windows? They need a product to sell. ...can't stay in business it you're not selling something to support expansion. Why all the updates? Fixing the bugs and flat programming errors from the original releases. Still blows my mind today...software is the only product in the world you buy but don't own. If it doesn't work you can't return it, and you're not allowed to fix it yourself.