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Re: Whats the point with a Z bottom limitswitch ?

 

My Denford mill has an easily adjustable Z switch - very simple mechanics. I can upload a picture if you have a hard time figuring out how to implement it.

Often the part is held by a vice and far above the plane. Also most of my tools are almost equal in length, so it's relatively easy to set a relevant negative Z limit. I have never needed it so far, but one day I'll thank Denford.....

/Torleif.

Eirik Karlsen wrote:

Well, on this machine its not a problem because the spindle itself (no
toolholder) stops at the table, and
it the table wasn't there the spindle could go a further 10-15cm down.
However the table
can not be moved sufficiently X-Y for that to happen. So Z can reach the
table even without any tool.

So wherever I'd place that switch it would either allow a mech. crash
with the table, or with a shorter
tool there wouldn't be sufficient Z travel towards the table. Either way
the limitswitch would just be a nuisance.

Only solution I can see is if that switch was adjustable so it could be
adjusted to match the length of the tool
in use at the time. Probably not too practical with an automatic
toolchanger, but I'll be using manual toolchange
so this might be a way forward.

I believe there are plenty of 'cnc-millers' on this list and they must
have run into this problem and possibly solved it.

I could go for a movable switch right now but would like to avoid it if
possible...tricky mechanics.
Would like some more input on this problem.

Thanks
E.K





Lee White wrote:

How about if your tools too short and then you will stress out some
mechanical part trying to go further down than it can.

This assumes you have soft limits out of wack.


Thanks,

Lee.

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Premier Pattern Equipment Ltd.
9725 - 60 Ave
Edmonton, AB T6E 0C4
Phone: 780-430-1549
Fax: 780-430-1526
Website: www.premierpattern.com
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before the toolholder hits the table.all you lose is an endmill





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Re: Index puls problem SOLVED!

 

Hi Art

This is a update from the post Problem SOLVED...

I changed pins on the breakout board. I put in lots of time testing
shealding whir es. must be a problem in cabling or something.


Roy Johnson



--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "Roy" <milehigh51@y...> wrote:

hi Art

ya each time the index puls fires the stepper motor jumps a step or so
with the spindle running the stepper will run slowly or kinda jump one
way and then the other direction. if i remove the pickup unit frpm
the machine every thing works fine

Roy


--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., art <fenerty@a...> wrote:

Hi Roy:

Can you explain that a bit, you mean each time you get an index
pulse, the
motor gives a pulse out as well?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy" <milehigh51@y...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Index puls problem


Hi Art:

I am having a problem with index plus. I get a puls on my stepper
motor too. this is not good. I have reruted the wire comming
from the
breakout board and used shealded wire. grounded the sheald on the
breakout board one end only. I do have a ModIo board on order from
peter. would it make any differnce if I run the puls in that card?

I do intend to use a MPG on that board ModIo. Will I get pulses
going
in with the MPG I am using the cnc4pc puls card.


Re: Whats the point with a Z bottom limitswitch ?

Eirik Karlsen
 

Well, on this machine its not a problem because the spindle itself (no
toolholder) stops at the table, and
it the table wasn't there the spindle could go a further 10-15cm down.
However the table
can not be moved sufficiently X-Y for that to happen. So Z can reach the
table even without any tool.

So wherever I'd place that switch it would either allow a mech. crash
with the table, or with a shorter
tool there wouldn't be sufficient Z travel towards the table. Either way
the limitswitch would just be a nuisance.

Only solution I can see is if that switch was adjustable so it could be
adjusted to match the length of the tool
in use at the time. Probably not too practical with an automatic
toolchanger, but I'll be using manual toolchange
so this might be a way forward.

I believe there are plenty of 'cnc-millers' on this list and they must
have run into this problem and possibly solved it.

I could go for a movable switch right now but would like to avoid it if
possible...tricky mechanics.
Would like some more input on this problem.

Thanks
E.K





Lee White wrote:

How about if your tools too short and then you will stress out some
mechanical part trying to go further down than it can.

This assumes you have soft limits out of wack.


Thanks,

Lee.

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Premier Pattern Equipment Ltd.
9725 - 60 Ave
Edmonton, AB T6E 0C4
Phone: 780-430-1549
Fax: 780-430-1526
Website: www.premierpattern.com
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Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] Whats the point with a Z bottom
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Re: Bridgeport Mill Stepper recommendation?

Chris Buchanan
 

Thanks, for the info. This is a 12 x 54 that I need to retrofit for a friend, I believe it is a birmingham.

----- Original Message -----
From: afn09556
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Re: Bridgeport Mill Stepper recommendation?


Hi, Chris:

Just a thouhgt. is this mill ballscrew now. ?

If it's not Bport ser. 1 Ridig or J-head mill's are out there (e-bay)
for less than $1000.00, just install Gecko Drive's & power supply Mach3.

Has,
Ballscrew's X Y Z
Stepper 1.8deg 200step over all, ratio 5:1 1000 step's per 1"
Nice Table size.
Limit switch's
Spindel motor 2 hp is 3 phase (phase adapter) or change out to 1 phase
Var speed head
Quick change spindel.

Sound's like bport sale's, Hu.

Reg. chip


--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Chris Buchanan <Buchanan@s...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good stepper to direct drive
a bridgeport clone knee mill. I intend to direct drive a .200" lead
ballscrew for X and Y. Thus I would only need about 300 rpm to get a
max of 60 IPM.
> What would be the benefit of using a smaller motor and perhaps a 2:1
Mechanical reduction at 600 rpm, other than resolution? I am trying
to stay away from any detrimental effects of operating steppers at a
higher rpm with reduced torque or any resonance prone speeds.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris B
>
>
>





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Re: Bridgeport Mill Stepper recommendation?

afn09556
 

Hi, Chris:

Just a thouhgt. is this mill ballscrew now. ?

If it's not Bport ser. 1 Ridig or J-head mill's are out there (e-bay)
for less than $1000.00, just install Gecko Drive's & power supply Mach3.

Has,
Ballscrew's X Y Z
Stepper 1.8deg 200step over all, ratio 5:1 1000 step's per 1"
Nice Table size.
Limit switch's
Spindel motor 2 hp is 3 phase (phase adapter) or change out to 1 phase
Var speed head
Quick change spindel.

Sound's like bport sale's, Hu.

Reg. chip


--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Chris Buchanan <Buchanan@s...>
wrote:

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good stepper to direct drive
a bridgeport clone knee mill. I intend to direct drive a .200" lead
ballscrew for X and Y. Thus I would only need about 300 rpm to get a
max of 60 IPM.
What would be the benefit of using a smaller motor and perhaps a 2:1
Mechanical reduction at 600 rpm, other than resolution? I am trying
to stay away from any detrimental effects of operating steppers at a
higher rpm with reduced torque or any resonance prone speeds.

Thanks

Chris B

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Re: retrofit / upgrade

Lee White
 

Roger,

another consideration could be Rutex Drives and US Digital encoders.

For your voltage you may need to go this way.


Thanks,

Lee.

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Fax: 780-430-1526
Website: www.premierpattern.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "vrsculptor" <vrsculptor@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Re: retrofit / upgrade


If my experience is any guide... Keep the axis motors, put existing
axis amps on the shelf, build or buy a 60-80 volt power supply (around
50 volt transformer, maybe 10 amps, full wave bridge, a big capacitor),
PMXD-121 breakout board (do a google), 3 gecko 320's (geckodrive.com)
and mach3. Shouldn't cost more than $600. If the spindle requires an
analog voltage to run use a variable resistor with a low voltage wall
wart. You will have to work out e-stop and connect your existing
home/limit switches to the breakout board. That was how I initialy
converted my mill several years back. I've a lot of things since then.
Good luck.

Roger

Yes, it is a cnc and in it's day the sharnoa controller had a lot of
capabilities that others didn't. Wells Index sold a few mills with
them attached.
The motors are powertron servo motors, 60 # in, 17.3 Amp, max 103
volts, they seem to work fine when the controller works, but I
haven't
checked the amp draw.





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Re: 3D Machining?

vrsculptor
 

Are there any problems maching in 3D when using Mach3?
Bill,
No problems with 3d. I use visualmill to generate tool paths. I have
servos.

Roger


Re: angular limit

 

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., art <fenerty@a...> wrote:
Art:

I have used the machine both ways and it runs better with it on. If
it is turned off the machine will ramp up and down for each entity
that is cut(even in the G64 mode).So if I cut the contour of an
6"X12" elipse at 600 inches per minute the machine will still ramp up
and down for each of the entities that make up the elipse. I would
like the machine to ramp up at the first entity and down at the last
entity. If I use G64 and set the angular limit to 85 then it will cut
smooth. The machine setup 1909.8593171 steps per inch and I use the
campbell board with G201 geckos as drives. Any help would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
John

John:

Leave it off unless you have severe rounding. It is unused in
99.9% of
systems.

Thanks,
Art
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jtj_30" <jtj_30@y...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] angular limit


In mach3 what does angular limit cv mean. There are 2 values here
and I
am not sure how to define them?

Thanks,
John





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Re: retrofit / upgrade

vrsculptor
 

If my experience is any guide... Keep the axis motors, put existing
axis amps on the shelf, build or buy a 60-80 volt power supply (around
50 volt transformer, maybe 10 amps, full wave bridge, a big capacitor),
PMXD-121 breakout board (do a google), 3 gecko 320's (geckodrive.com)
and mach3. Shouldn't cost more than $600. If the spindle requires an
analog voltage to run use a variable resistor with a low voltage wall
wart. You will have to work out e-stop and connect your existing
home/limit switches to the breakout board. That was how I initialy
converted my mill several years back. I've a lot of things since then.
Good luck.

Roger

Yes, it is a cnc and in it's day the sharnoa controller had a lot of
capabilities that others didn't. Wells Index sold a few mills with
them attached.
The motors are powertron servo motors, 60 # in, 17.3 Amp, max 103
volts, they seem to work fine when the controller works, but I
haven't
checked the amp draw.


Version 1.90.002 online.

art
 

Hi All:

Version 1.90.002 is online. It has..

1) Feedrate fix for slaved axis. The feedrate DRO was wrong on realtime feedrate when an axis was slaved.

2) Image class completely changed. This was done to speed up the display system, which now seems twice as fast
as before. Support for alphablended images , PNG,s and transparent gifs are added as well, but untested. This image class shoudl aid in the transparency problems and background front to back issues. But this is an early test. You may want to wait for some feedback on its
abilities before upgrading unless displays have been very slow for you..

(Benny: Try your png alpha blends, let me kow if all works, and Ill update the Screen designer. )



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Bridgeport Mill Stepper recommendation?

Chris Buchanan
 

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good stepper to direct drive a bridgeport clone knee mill. I intend to direct drive a .200" lead ballscrew for X and Y. Thus I would only need about 300 rpm to get a max of 60 IPM.
What would be the benefit of using a smaller motor and perhaps a 2:1 Mechanical reduction at 600 rpm, other than resolution? I am trying to stay away from any detrimental effects of operating steppers at a higher rpm with reduced torque or any resonance prone speeds.

Thanks

Chris B


VB Script Editor Tab Width

Joe
 

There is the prob with tab width:

1) Mach3 doesn't store this setting (always 4)
2) Editor always uses a width of 8

Thx Joe


Re: Whats the point with a Z bottom limitswitch ?

 

I made my lower Z switch adjustable allowing it to be set for what ever table height you have.

Marty


Re: Whats the point with a Z bottom limitswitch ?

Lee White
 

How about if your tools too short and then you will stress out some
mechanical part trying to go further down than it can.

This assumes you have soft limits out of wack.


Thanks,

Lee.

Lee K. White
Premier Pattern Equipment Ltd.
9725 - 60 Ave
Edmonton, AB T6E 0C4
Phone: 780-430-1549
Fax: 780-430-1526
Website: www.premierpattern.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <mugen121@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] Whats the point with a Z bottom limitswitch ?


before the toolholder hits the table.all you lose is an endmill






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Whats the point with a Z bottom limitswitch ?

Eirik Karlsen
 

Last night I was about to decide on where to put the limit switches on
the mill's Z-axis...
the top switch is ok, but how about the bottom switch?
I really can't see any benefit from having this switch.

Here is what I found (many of you will have been her long time ago):
Activate the switch when:
-spindle hits the table
-tool holder hits the table
-tool hits the table

Can't find any of these all that usefull...whatever selection it will be
wrong and useless in other conditions
e.g other tool lengths.

So what do you milling guys do? Do you even fit this switch?

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Re: Help with config

ereibsane
 

Thank you Art, I'll take a look at that. I put the G Code files and
Post Proc. under Files/Chain Gang Designs here in the forum if they
are helpful.

Eric
Chain Gang Designs, Inc.

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., art <fenerty@a...> wrote:

Hi Eric:

Not sure abouy the first, Id have ot see the code, the second is
easy, use
the Config/IJ mode to switch
to IJ Inc. This usually fixes that one..


Thanks,
Art
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Re: MAXNC CL - MACH3 setup XML file

art
 

Hi Manu:

The FTP site, available form the www.machsupport.com website, has all the ones I have. I will add them there is users send them to me..

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Manu CNC" <mansys@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:47 AM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] MAXNC CL - MACH3 setup XML file


I searched through the messages & files to find a setup file (.xml) for the
MAXNC CL. Apparently files were send to private e-mails.

Can all MAXNC - Mach3 users send or put their setup files in the file
section?

Thanks,

Manu (@manu, manutoys, vantiv)





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Re: Development version 1.90.001 online.

 

Thanks, Don

-----Original Message-----
From: mach1mach2cnc@...
[mailto:mach1mach2cnc@...]On Behalf Of art
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:43 AM
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] Development version 1.90.001 online.


Hi:

The changes are at Toms request, so I think while it may change thigns a
bit, the changes will be for the better..

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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [mach1mach2cnc] Development version 1.90.001 online.


> Will this have any affect on tom's MP1000 THC
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:55 PM
> To: mach1mach2cnc@...
> Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Development version 1.90.001 online.
>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> New development version is online.
>
> 1) New Pierce DRO for pirce delay.
> 2) nFMT fixed for higher resolution in VB macros.
>
> Text of the actual changes can be found in the update list on the web.
> 1.90
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3D Machining?

Bill Blackburn
 

Hi Guys

I am interested in looking at any 3D parts that have been machined using Mach3.
Are there any problems maching in 3D when using Mach3?
Would appricate any pictures of parts that you have machined using Mach3. Please let me know if you are using Stepper or Servo Motors?
You can send pictures to my email - billblackburn@...

Thanks very much for your help.

Regards
Bill