Re: Mach4 Coil Winder Screen
Hi Bertho: ? Good point, for anyone using a dedicated coil-winding machine, turns/minute would probably be the desired setup units. ? I didn’t think of that since I am using my mill with a 4th axis. ?
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Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Coil Winder Screen? Hi Andy, You are correct about degrees for machining.? I have used a lot of different coil winding machines and it is always using turns. Degrees would be a pain to use to wind for example, a 2372 turns coil. Bertho ? ? ? Hi Brian: ? I finally downloaded and started to use the Coilwinder Mach4 screen a couple of weeks ago. ? I had to modify it to fit my setup but I also found a couple of issues with the screenset as downloaded. ? -The screenset is set up to use the A axis in units of revolutions instead of degrees. I would bet most people use degrees as the units for their rotary axes. ? -The “Write G Code” button does not do what it says; instead it saves the Gcode to a string and then executes it immediately as an MDI command. ? -The generated Gcode does not return to G90 Absolute coordinates after running the code. ? ? That is not Epic at all! LOL ? I will see if I can get it to download ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 6/11/2021 12:37 AM, Andy Wander wrote: I see that the Coil Winder screen is on the website, but when I try to download it I get: ? Epic 404 - Article Not Found ? ? ? Good question.... BRB ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/28/2021 9:51 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Any word on this? ? ? They have it and I asked them to send it to you months ago!? Blah, I will tell them again to get it sent off.. The Coil winder screen is one of the screens set to be released on the new screens page for Mach4. ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/4/2021 8:55 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, anything? ? ? Hi Brian, it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there has been any progress on this? ? ? They guys should have been testing it...
I will hit them again for a status.. Sorry they have been using it as fill in work.
Thanks
Brian ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 11/30/2020 11:44 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Brian, any movement on this? ? ? Hey, man, any word? ? ? Good question! Let me talk to the guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or something :) ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil Winder screens? ? ? I don't know how long the coil winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the press brake tables should be ready for testing in a few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the Gcode files to drive the winder.
On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-I’m good for now. ? I’ll nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle speed thing in a couple of weeks. ? ? Rob is on the floor now working on the laser we are putting new motors and drives in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix most issues.
On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just don’t want to forget about it. ? I tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and they are all working now as well. ? Do the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after starting Mach4. ? I got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried to call him, but I just got a message telling me your hours, and then some music. ? I don’t know if we really need to talk, though, since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved almost all of my problems. ? ? Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM and it is taking a bit more time than I would like :( When that is done he will go over what Rob has and building a release.
2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have informed him of your progress.
3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going over the manual and checking them for the next release. Attached you will find a section of header file, look at that and tell me what you think (start at line number 2113)
4. I don't fully understand why you would want to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets do that after the rest of this is done please :)
Thanks
Brian
On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? 1_ Has there been any progress on that Coil Winder Screen? ? 2_ I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report that most of my issues appear to have been solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I still need to confirm that the issue with the Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved; haven’t had a chance to test that…. ? 3_ Is there an accurate list anywhere of the Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer, and I know that at least one of the variables in there is wrong….. ? 4_ I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering spindle speed and such between shutting down and restart solved. I took the code that wrote the saved values on startup, out of the Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run only” section of the PLC code. This seems to work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for the first time after startup, it overwrites the correct value that has been put into the S DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4, after that, if I set a value for S, it stays there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything in any of the screen scripts that does anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place that treats ENABLE differently on the first time it is pressed after startup ? ? ? Rob is done the first round of getting machines ready for release testing so I have told him today is your test of turn. He may be contacting you... As for the coil winder screen Rob got most of that done before his return back to work. I was going to have Brett continue on with this as soon as he is done the bending software I have him doing. We have lots of projects we are working on so thanks for asking about the progress!
Thanks
Brian
On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Did they get anywhere with the coil winder screen? ? What about this weird problem with the Turn Cycles? (they sure are great, when they work!) ? ? ? Hi Brian-new update: ? I was able to finish the part I was working on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity Buffer underrun errors from the ESS. ? Then, the ESS started randomly going offline without telling me. ? I reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322, and these problems went away(the FIFO and the ESS going offline.) ? I made a couple more parts using Late today, and everything was working fine, using the Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and Threading. ? Then I tried a Rounding operation using Turn Cycles. ? The Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end of the stock, without actually cutting anything-then it moved in to where it should have been and did the single finishing cut, taking off all of the stock that should have been done during roughing. ? I attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath window, as well as the .tap file for the Rounding operation. ? I “may” have entered an incorrect setting in the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to open for editing, and I can’t get any of the Turn cycles to open when clicking on their buttons. I get a message that says, Unable to show wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for parameter 2, but got a 'nil'. Function called: 'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)' - wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self), wxColour)
? I’ve tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at any of the Turn Cycles. ? ? Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We have a few more machines we need to get working so we can get to the testing of the next release testing. We have the Matsuura 500 and the plasma table we need to get ready. The goal is to have them both finished this week so we can start testing Friday. This is when we will setup and test the ESS.
Thanks for the report
?Brian
On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? I have some more info and results on the threading cycle not working. ? Today, I backed up my current installation, and installed ESS v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517 ? I needed to make a part that had a couple of different diameters, and an external M14 thread at each end. ? The turning was uneventful, but when I used the Turn Cycles screen to generate code for the first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it hung up on the G76 line just as the Internal thread had been doing earlier! Then, I realized that I had accidentally generated code for an Internal thread, but, this time, it was different, as the actual Spindle Speed display on the screen was very intermittent, usually staying at “0”, but occasionally flashing the actual measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the installation that I originally reported this problem on. ? So, I thought maybe my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten damaged or something. At this point, I set the machine back to in/min mode, and started the spindle up, and the on-screen Spindle Speed display worked perfectly. Going back into the threading cycle, and in/rev mode, the display was wonky again. ? Then, I remembered that the release notes for the ESS v257 plugin had mentioned something about a new check box to tell the ESS whether or not to report the spindle speed. I found that check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked it. Testing showed the same problem still remained. ? I then looked at the Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and changed it from PWM to “OB”. ? That did it, the threading cycle now works, whether ID or OD threading. ? I still have the smaller problem of the spindle making the CLUNK when it gets turned on again while it is already on. I went into config and disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was all in there because I never disabled it when I went to my Modbus controlled s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I still get the Clunk… ? ? ? ? They are working on a coil winder screen and have the first part of it done.
They did a bunch of testing and could not make your issue happen. We have just started working back at the office where we have all the hardware for testing. We are getting the machines ready for release testing now and one of the things that will be tested is your issue. We are doing the best we can in this screwy time.
Thanks
Brian On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Have you had a chance to work on this? ? Also any? progress on the coil winder screenset? ? ? That may be from my PLC script. I am interrogating the Modbus MPG register on my pendant. ? ? Do you have any idea what is spamming for the MPG? I don't think this is causing you an issue, it is just bad practice and I would like to eliminate as many vars as I can. I was going to see if I could clean the profile and figure this out! I have a few things going on but I am trying to get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian
On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote: I used to use relays and PWM to control my spindle, but now I use the Modbus plugin. ? I think that I left the relay/PWM config alone, and just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4 may be sending controls for both methods. ? Pretty sure I disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V from the VFD though. I will check that in a bit. ? ? I need your profile please. I don't understand what is firing output #54 I think I am getting a better idea what is going on!
Thanks
Brian
n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? The logging window is confusing because the SAVE button is at the bottom, but there is also a “log to file” button up at the top. What does that top button do? ? I don’t think this can be a hardware issue, as external threading code from the Turn Cycle works fine every time. ? Also, yesterday, after I STOPped an unworking internal threading program, I came back a few hours later, rewound and ran the same code, and it worked! Just once though, after that it would hang on the 2nd G76 line uust like before. ? Attached is a log file; can you? see anything strange in there? Attachments: - G76 that stops on second G76 line.log
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Re: Mach4 Coil Winder Screen
Hi Andy, You are correct about degrees for machining.? I have used a lot of different coil winding machines and it is always using turns. Degrees would be a pain to use to wind for example, a 2372 turns coil. Bertho ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2022 2:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Coil Winder Screen? Hi Brian: ? I finally downloaded and started to use the Coilwinder Mach4 screen a couple of weeks ago. ? I had to modify it to fit my setup but I also found a couple of issues with the screenset as downloaded. ? -The screenset is set up to use the A axis in units of revolutions instead of degrees. I would bet most people use degrees as the units for their rotary axes. ? -The “Write G Code” button does not do what it says; instead it saves the Gcode to a string and then executes it immediately as an MDI command. ? -The generated Gcode does not return to G90 Absolute coordinates after running the code. ? ? That is not Epic at all! LOL ? I will see if I can get it to download ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 6/11/2021 12:37 AM, Andy Wander wrote: I see that the Coil Winder screen is on the website, but when I try to download it I get: ? Epic 404 - Article Not Found ? ? ? Good question.... BRB ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/28/2021 9:51 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Any word on this? ? ? They have it and I asked them to send it to you months ago!? Blah, I will tell them again to get it sent off.. The Coil winder screen is one of the screens set to be released on the new screens page for Mach4. ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/4/2021 8:55 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, anything? ? ? Hi Brian, it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there has been any progress on this? ? ? They guys should have been testing it...
I will hit them again for a status.. Sorry they have been using it as fill in work.
Thanks
Brian ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 11/30/2020 11:44 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Brian, any movement on this? ? ? Hey, man, any word? ? ? Good question! Let me talk to the guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or something :) ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil Winder screens? ? ? I don't know how long the coil winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the press brake tables should be ready for testing in a few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the Gcode files to drive the winder.
On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-I’m good for now. ? I’ll nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle speed thing in a couple of weeks. ? ? Rob is on the floor now working on the laser we are putting new motors and drives in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix most issues.
On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just don’t want to forget about it. ? I tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and they are all working now as well. ? Do the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after starting Mach4. ? I got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried to call him, but I just got a message telling me your hours, and then some music. ? I don’t know if we really need to talk, though, since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved almost all of my problems. ? ? Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM and it is taking a bit more time than I would like :( When that is done he will go over what Rob has and building a release.
2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have informed him of your progress.
3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going over the manual and checking them for the next release. Attached you will find a section of header file, look at that and tell me what you think (start at line number 2113)
4. I don't fully understand why you would want to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets do that after the rest of this is done please :)
Thanks
Brian
On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? 1_ Has there been any progress on that Coil Winder Screen? ? 2_ I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report that most of my issues appear to have been solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I still need to confirm that the issue with the Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved; haven’t had a chance to test that…. ? 3_ Is there an accurate list anywhere of the Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer, and I know that at least one of the variables in there is wrong….. ? 4_ I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering spindle speed and such between shutting down and restart solved. I took the code that wrote the saved values on startup, out of the Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run only” section of the PLC code. This seems to work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for the first time after startup, it overwrites the correct value that has been put into the S DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4, after that, if I set a value for S, it stays there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything in any of the screen scripts that does anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place that treats ENABLE differently on the first time it is pressed after startup ? ? ? Rob is done the first round of getting machines ready for release testing so I have told him today is your test of turn. He may be contacting you... As for the coil winder screen Rob got most of that done before his return back to work. I was going to have Brett continue on with this as soon as he is done the bending software I have him doing. We have lots of projects we are working on so thanks for asking about the progress!
Thanks
Brian
On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Did they get anywhere with the coil winder screen? ? What about this weird problem with the Turn Cycles? (they sure are great, when they work!) ? ? ? Hi Brian-new update: ? I was able to finish the part I was working on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity Buffer underrun errors from the ESS. ? Then, the ESS started randomly going offline without telling me. ? I reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322, and these problems went away(the FIFO and the ESS going offline.) ? I made a couple more parts using Late today, and everything was working fine, using the Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and Threading. ? Then I tried a Rounding operation using Turn Cycles. ? The Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end of the stock, without actually cutting anything-then it moved in to where it should have been and did the single finishing cut, taking off all of the stock that should have been done during roughing. ? I attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath window, as well as the .tap file for the Rounding operation. ? I “may” have entered an incorrect setting in the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to open for editing, and I can’t get any of the Turn cycles to open when clicking on their buttons. I get a message that says, Unable to show wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for parameter 2, but got a 'nil'. Function called: 'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)' - wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self), wxColour)
? I’ve tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at any of the Turn Cycles. ? ? Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We have a few more machines we need to get working so we can get to the testing of the next release testing. We have the Matsuura 500 and the plasma table we need to get ready. The goal is to have them both finished this week so we can start testing Friday. This is when we will setup and test the ESS.
Thanks for the report
?Brian
On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? I have some more info and results on the threading cycle not working. ? Today, I backed up my current installation, and installed ESS v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517 ? I needed to make a part that had a couple of different diameters, and an external M14 thread at each end. ? The turning was uneventful, but when I used the Turn Cycles screen to generate code for the first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it hung up on the G76 line just as the Internal thread had been doing earlier! Then, I realized that I had accidentally generated code for an Internal thread, but, this time, it was different, as the actual Spindle Speed display on the screen was very intermittent, usually staying at “0”, but occasionally flashing the actual measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the installation that I originally reported this problem on. ? So, I thought maybe my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten damaged or something. At this point, I set the machine back to in/min mode, and started the spindle up, and the on-screen Spindle Speed display worked perfectly. Going back into the threading cycle, and in/rev mode, the display was wonky again. ? Then, I remembered that the release notes for the ESS v257 plugin had mentioned something about a new check box to tell the ESS whether or not to report the spindle speed. I found that check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked it. Testing showed the same problem still remained. ? I then looked at the Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and changed it from PWM to “OB”. ? That did it, the threading cycle now works, whether ID or OD threading. ? I still have the smaller problem of the spindle making the CLUNK when it gets turned on again while it is already on. I went into config and disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was all in there because I never disabled it when I went to my Modbus controlled s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I still get the Clunk… ? ? ? ? They are working on a coil winder screen and have the first part of it done.
They did a bunch of testing and could not make your issue happen. We have just started working back at the office where we have all the hardware for testing. We are getting the machines ready for release testing now and one of the things that will be tested is your issue. We are doing the best we can in this screwy time.
Thanks
Brian On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Have you had a chance to work on this? ? Also any? progress on the coil winder screenset? ? ? That may be from my PLC script. I am interrogating the Modbus MPG register on my pendant. ? ? Do you have any idea what is spamming for the MPG? I don't think this is causing you an issue, it is just bad practice and I would like to eliminate as many vars as I can. I was going to see if I could clean the profile and figure this out! I have a few things going on but I am trying to get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian
On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote: I used to use relays and PWM to control my spindle, but now I use the Modbus plugin. ? I think that I left the relay/PWM config alone, and just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4 may be sending controls for both methods. ? Pretty sure I disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V from the VFD though. I will check that in a bit. ? ? I need your profile please. I don't understand what is firing output #54 I think I am getting a better idea what is going on!
Thanks
Brian
n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? The logging window is confusing because the SAVE button is at the bottom, but there is also a “log to file” button up at the top. What does that top button do? ? I don’t think this can be a hardware issue, as external threading code from the Turn Cycle works fine every time. ? Also, yesterday, after I STOPped an unworking internal threading program, I came back a few hours later, rewound and ran the same code, and it worked! Just once though, after that it would hang on the 2nd G76 line uust like before. ? Attached is a log file; can you? see anything strange in there? Attachments: - G76 that stops on second G76 line.log
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? Attachments: - MachAPI.h
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Re: Mach4 Coil Winder Screen
Hi Brian: ? I finally downloaded and started to use the Coilwinder Mach4 screen a couple of weeks ago. ? I had to modify it to fit my setup but I also found a couple of issues with the screenset as downloaded. ? -The screenset is set up to use the A axis in units of revolutions instead of degrees. I would bet most people use degrees as the units for their rotary axes. ? -The “Write G Code” button does not do what it says; instead it saves the Gcode to a string and then executes it immediately as an MDI command. ? -The generated Gcode does not return to G90 Absolute coordinates after running the code. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 7:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Coil Winder Screen? That is not Epic at all! LOL ? I will see if I can get it to download ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 6/11/2021 12:37 AM, Andy Wander wrote: I see that the Coil Winder screen is on the website, but when I try to download it I get: ? Epic 404 - Article Not Found ? ? ? Good question.... BRB ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/28/2021 9:51 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Any word on this? ? ? They have it and I asked them to send it to you months ago!? Blah, I will tell them again to get it sent off.. The Coil winder screen is one of the screens set to be released on the new screens page for Mach4. ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/4/2021 8:55 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, anything? ? ? Hi Brian, it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there has been any progress on this? ? ? They guys should have been testing it...
I will hit them again for a status.. Sorry they have been using it as fill in work.
Thanks
Brian ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 11/30/2020 11:44 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Brian, any movement on this? ? ? Hey, man, any word? ? ? Good question! Let me talk to the guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or something :) ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil Winder screens? ? ? I don't know how long the coil winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the press brake tables should be ready for testing in a few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the Gcode files to drive the winder.
On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-I’m good for now. ? I’ll nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle speed thing in a couple of weeks. ? ? Rob is on the floor now working on the laser we are putting new motors and drives in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix most issues.
On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just don’t want to forget about it. ? I tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and they are all working now as well. ? Do the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after starting Mach4. ? I got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried to call him, but I just got a message telling me your hours, and then some music. ? I don’t know if we really need to talk, though, since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved almost all of my problems. ? ? Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM and it is taking a bit more time than I would like :( When that is done he will go over what Rob has and building a release.
2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have informed him of your progress.
3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going over the manual and checking them for the next release. Attached you will find a section of header file, look at that and tell me what you think (start at line number 2113)
4. I don't fully understand why you would want to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets do that after the rest of this is done please :)
Thanks
Brian
On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? 1_ Has there been any progress on that Coil Winder Screen? ? 2_ I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report that most of my issues appear to have been solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I still need to confirm that the issue with the Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved; haven’t had a chance to test that…. ? 3_ Is there an accurate list anywhere of the Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer, and I know that at least one of the variables in there is wrong….. ? 4_ I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering spindle speed and such between shutting down and restart solved. I took the code that wrote the saved values on startup, out of the Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run only” section of the PLC code. This seems to work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for the first time after startup, it overwrites the correct value that has been put into the S DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4, after that, if I set a value for S, it stays there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything in any of the screen scripts that does anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place that treats ENABLE differently on the first time it is pressed after startup ? ? ? Rob is done the first round of getting machines ready for release testing so I have told him today is your test of turn. He may be contacting you... As for the coil winder screen Rob got most of that done before his return back to work. I was going to have Brett continue on with this as soon as he is done the bending software I have him doing. We have lots of projects we are working on so thanks for asking about the progress!
Thanks
Brian
On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Did they get anywhere with the coil winder screen? ? What about this weird problem with the Turn Cycles? (they sure are great, when they work!) ? ? ? Hi Brian-new update: ? I was able to finish the part I was working on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity Buffer underrun errors from the ESS. ? Then, the ESS started randomly going offline without telling me. ? I reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322, and these problems went away(the FIFO and the ESS going offline.) ? I made a couple more parts using Late today, and everything was working fine, using the Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and Threading. ? Then I tried a Rounding operation using Turn Cycles. ? The Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end of the stock, without actually cutting anything-then it moved in to where it should have been and did the single finishing cut, taking off all of the stock that should have been done during roughing. ? I attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath window, as well as the .tap file for the Rounding operation. ? I “may” have entered an incorrect setting in the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to open for editing, and I can’t get any of the Turn cycles to open when clicking on their buttons. I get a message that says, Unable to show wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for parameter 2, but got a 'nil'. Function called: 'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)' - wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self), wxColour)
? I’ve tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at any of the Turn Cycles. ? ? Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We have a few more machines we need to get working so we can get to the testing of the next release testing. We have the Matsuura 500 and the plasma table we need to get ready. The goal is to have them both finished this week so we can start testing Friday. This is when we will setup and test the ESS.
Thanks for the report
?Brian
On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? I have some more info and results on the threading cycle not working. ? Today, I backed up my current installation, and installed ESS v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517 ? I needed to make a part that had a couple of different diameters, and an external M14 thread at each end. ? The turning was uneventful, but when I used the Turn Cycles screen to generate code for the first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it hung up on the G76 line just as the Internal thread had been doing earlier! Then, I realized that I had accidentally generated code for an Internal thread, but, this time, it was different, as the actual Spindle Speed display on the screen was very intermittent, usually staying at “0”, but occasionally flashing the actual measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the installation that I originally reported this problem on. ? So, I thought maybe my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten damaged or something. At this point, I set the machine back to in/min mode, and started the spindle up, and the on-screen Spindle Speed display worked perfectly. Going back into the threading cycle, and in/rev mode, the display was wonky again. ? Then, I remembered that the release notes for the ESS v257 plugin had mentioned something about a new check box to tell the ESS whether or not to report the spindle speed. I found that check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked it. Testing showed the same problem still remained. ? I then looked at the Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and changed it from PWM to “OB”. ? That did it, the threading cycle now works, whether ID or OD threading. ? I still have the smaller problem of the spindle making the CLUNK when it gets turned on again while it is already on. I went into config and disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was all in there because I never disabled it when I went to my Modbus controlled s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I still get the Clunk… ? ? ? ? They are working on a coil winder screen and have the first part of it done.
They did a bunch of testing and could not make your issue happen. We have just started working back at the office where we have all the hardware for testing. We are getting the machines ready for release testing now and one of the things that will be tested is your issue. We are doing the best we can in this screwy time.
Thanks
Brian On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Have you had a chance to work on this? ? Also any? progress on the coil winder screenset? ? ? That may be from my PLC script. I am interrogating the Modbus MPG register on my pendant. ? ? Do you have any idea what is spamming for the MPG? I don't think this is causing you an issue, it is just bad practice and I would like to eliminate as many vars as I can. I was going to see if I could clean the profile and figure this out! I have a few things going on but I am trying to get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian
On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote: I used to use relays and PWM to control my spindle, but now I use the Modbus plugin. ? I think that I left the relay/PWM config alone, and just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4 may be sending controls for both methods. ? Pretty sure I disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V from the VFD though. I will check that in a bit. ? ? I need your profile please. I don't understand what is firing output #54 I think I am getting a better idea what is going on!
Thanks
Brian
n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? The logging window is confusing because the SAVE button is at the bottom, but there is also a “log to file” button up at the top. What does that top button do? ? I don’t think this can be a hardware issue, as external threading code from the Turn Cycle works fine every time. ? Also, yesterday, after I STOPped an unworking internal threading program, I came back a few hours later, rewound and ran the same code, and it worked! Just once though, after that it would hang on the 2nd G76 line uust like before. ? Attached is a log file; can you? see anything strange in there? Attachments: - G76 that stops on second G76 line.log
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Thanks !! glad to get a reply, I will give it a try this weekend.
This issue happens on all four of my machines that I am running mach3 on. Some are Mach3 ver 62 and others on ver 66.
If anyone else has suggestions please let me know what your experience and solutions is/are.
Ben
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:51 AM Henrik Olsson < henrik@...> wrote: Hi, IIRC (and it's been years) this was usually caused by an issue with one of the installed plugin. Try deleting (or moving) the contents of the plugins folder and see if you get the dialog back.
/Henrik.
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Skickat: 2022-03-03 21:59:25
?mne: [MachCNC] Mach3 Motor tuning ?
I am sure this has been beat to death but I am not finding a clear answer.
What is it Mach3, I can set Mach3 up and do the motor tuning (usually with minimal issues).
If in the future I want to go back and revisit the motor tuning the drop down refused to drop down. This is almost with out fail it refuses to open.
This is extremely frustrating. I usually end up reloading the version of Mach3 (62) and then installing the XML file and etc etc.
Is there any kind of solution to? this problem or am I the only one having this issue.
Ben
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Hi, IIRC (and it's been years) this was usually caused by an issue with one of the installed plugin. Try deleting (or moving) the contents of the plugins folder and see if you get the dialog back.
/Henrik.
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Skickat: 2022-03-03 21:59:25
?mne: [MachCNC] Mach3 Motor tuning ?
I am sure this has been beat to death but I am not finding a clear answer.
What is it Mach3, I can set Mach3 up and do the motor tuning (usually with minimal issues).
If in the future I want to go back and revisit the motor tuning the drop down refused to drop down. This is almost with out fail it refuses to open.
This is extremely frustrating. I usually end up reloading the version of Mach3 (62) and then installing the XML file and etc etc.
Is there any kind of solution to? this problem or am I the only one having this issue.
Ben
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After doing a lot of research I chose this company. I have been using my pendant in a commercial capacity for 5 years now on a plasma oxy table and I am very happy with it... Vistacnc.com
Stan
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I was wrong about the xbox causing the problem. Took it off and immediately everything was fine but it was a coincidence. Got weird again. Turned out to be an ever so slightly corroded spring terminal on the X axis servomotor encoder. Just one pin. Replaced it and sprayed with polyphenyl either contact lube.
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On 3/3/2022 12:01 PM, Spencer Chase wrote: I got my gcode for a part I make thousands of "perfect" after only 8 years. making these parts in incredibly boring (thank god for noise cancelling headphones with podcasts and music and i want the machine to be 100% reliable so i can enjoy the music )redid all the arcs using cambam and have no offsets at all to confuse Mach4 when I estop (power off to everything but computer)
I increased the rigidity of the locking of the fourth axis (took me a full day to do that) and chatter is minimal even in strange hard grain.
all was just great, i need to leave the country to take care of my father and i was more ready than ever to make a bunch of parts.
then all hell broke loose, small random moves or not moves then totally random huge moves back and forth. i checked all wiring, no problems. then i unplugged the xbox controller and it is all "perfect" again.
i have no idea what happened to the controller or the plugin but something did. did anyone else have this happen? could be the computer's USB controller but the mouse and keyboard are plugged in to USB and they are working OK?
i think i will get a really nice pendant. any suggestions as to something that is easy to use and reliable?
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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
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I am sure this has been beat to death but I am not finding a clear answer.
What is it Mach3, I can set Mach3 up and do the motor tuning (usually with minimal issues).
If in the future I want to go back and revisit the motor tuning the drop down refused to drop down. This is almost with out fail it refuses to open.
This is extremely frustrating. I usually end up reloading the version of Mach3 (62) and then installing the XML file and etc etc.
Is there any kind of solution to? this problem or am I the only one having this issue.
Ben
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I got my gcode for a part I make thousands of "perfect" after only 8 years. making these parts in incredibly boring (thank god for noise cancelling headphones with podcasts and music and i want the machine to be 100% reliable so i can enjoy the music )redid all the arcs using cambam and have no offsets at all to confuse Mach4 when I estop (power off to everything but computer)
I increased the rigidity of the locking of the fourth axis (took me a full day to do that) and chatter is minimal even in strange hard grain.
all was just great, i need to leave the country to take care of my father and i was more ready than ever to make a bunch of parts.
then all hell broke loose, small random moves or not moves then totally random huge moves back and forth. i checked all wiring, no problems. then i unplugged the xbox controller and it is all "perfect" again.
i have no idea what happened to the controller or the plugin but something did. did anyone else have this happen? could be the computer's USB controller but the mouse and keyboard are plugged in to USB and they are working OK?
i think i will get a really nice pendant. any suggestions as to something that is easy to use and reliable?
--
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
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The only thing I can find that stops a jog in progress is e-stop.
If you create a button to set max feed speed to 0 that might work.
Anyone try that? Feedhold works with a running program. If you are
jogging I can see no downside to an e-stop? Feedhold during a jog
produces strange results.I have the big multi axis button on my
xbox assigned to feed hold and tested it that way.
On 3/2/2022 1:00 AM, Alexander noname
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hi!
is it possible to cancel a jog move?
i mean cancel jog but spindle not stop running?
thanks
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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
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hi!
is it possible to cancel a jog move?
i mean cancel jog but spindle not stop running?
thanks
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Re: Touchscreen for welding station.
Yep, that was just an example I found. As far as welding it will definitely need to have a screen protector. I’m just curious on whether the fanless design and 8G or less of RAM will be sufficient. Most of the panel mount industrial PC’s don’t have much RAM, but I found one that can be configured up to 8GB. ? Thank-you! Brian Martin 
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@... Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 3:49 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Touchscreen for welding station. ? Lots of details missing on site. Hard to tell if it is cap or res touch, sort of implies both? Nothing about hard drive, is it SSD? Price?? I am good at missing things so maybe it is all there? if it is for a welding station is there any chance of splatter hitting the screen? I think i would rather have a non touch if that is the case so it could be protected. On 3/1/2022 12:19 PM, Brian Martin wrote: Does anybody have an industrial touchscreen PC you are using for Mach4? Do I want resistance or capacitive touch? What is the difference as far as feel/operation? I was looking at this one. ? Thank-you! Brian Martin
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Re: Touchscreen for welding station.
Lots of details missing on site. Hard to tell if it is cap or res
touch, sort of implies both? Nothing about hard drive, is it SSD?
Price?? I am good at missing things so maybe it is all there?
if it is for a welding station is there any chance of splatter
hitting the screen? I think i would rather have a non touch if
that is the case so it could be protected.
On 3/1/2022 12:19 PM, Brian Martin
wrote:
Does anybody have an industrial touchscreen
PC you are using for Mach4? Do I want resistance or capacitive
touch? What is the difference as far as feel/operation? I was
looking at this one.
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Thank-you!
Brian Martin
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Attachments:
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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
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Touchscreen for welding station.
Does anybody have an industrial touchscreen PC you are using for Mach4? Do I want resistance or capacitive touch? What is the difference as far as feel/operation? I was looking at this one. 
? Thank-you! Brian Martin 
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The CypCut software is what mine had on it. Mine is only a 1 KW
but it works for testing. It is a 5' X 10' so it is using a bunch
of my shop :) . My goal is not to make something "better" than the
CypCut software. I want to make software that can do anything with
the lasers. The software they have is fine for cutting plate but
if you need to do some fancy stuff it falls apart quickly. The
capacitance height control is working now, it is just talking to
the power supply that is the issue and I seem to have a contact
that can get me some data! I hope to be making parts again next
month.
______________________________
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Engineering / Development
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Webpage:
On 2/22/2022 4:49 PM, Brian Martin
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Ok, it is running CypCut which has some
nice features but I’d rather run Mach4!
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Thank-you!
Brian Martin
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That is using step and direction if it is running the Chinese
control software. I took that all out of my laser and have
been putting in Mach4 with Ethercat :) . We are working on
trying to talk to the Raycus fiber generator now ... That is
NO fun to try and get support from them
______________________________
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Brian Barker
Engineering / Development
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
?
Webpage:
On 2/22/2022 2:21 PM, Brian Martin wrote:
That mostly makes sense, I have a Senfeng
4KW laser that has a mixture Yaskawa and Delt drives on it.
I will do some more reading on Ethercat.
?
Thank-you!
Brian
Martin
?
?
Hi Guys,
EtherCat is basically a distributed motion controller. So
picture an ESS that? is in the drives as well as in the IO
blocks . Its sort of like a Modbus setup but is all in
realtime. You can mix and match hardware in an Ethercat
system. So you can have drives from Yaskawa , Elmo, Omron ,
Delta , Leadshine and so on all on the same network. The
drives could power Steppers or servos (the system has no
idea what one it is..) You can also use IO from in the
drives OR add IO modules as well. The Ethernet cable just
goes from drive to drive and IO to IO. With the Kingstar /
Mahc4 setup you can also to ABS encoders so you do not need
to home the machine when you start it. This is REALLY cools
because you don't need to have home switches or any of that
other hardware. You can also read as much data about the
drive as you would like. So you can see what current the
motor is using for example .
?
Now you can do this without the Kingstar software and add a
hardware master like the board Vital systems has. This is a
little more limiting but is much more flexible as to what PC
it will work with. This is not the be all end all but it is
the best way to make a high end system. It is the future...
Well it really is here and the prices have been dropping
like crazy.
?
Okay I think that made more confusion than it helped ;)
?
Thanks
Brian
?
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______________________________
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Brian Barker
Engineering / Development
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Webpage:
On 2/22/2022 10:11 AM, o1bigtenor
wrote:
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On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:02
AM Brian Martin <bmm@...>
wrote:
No
problem, o1bigtenor. I want to know more
about Ethercat also. Go ahead with the
discussion!
Does
an Ethercat drive network directly to the
PC, or is there still a motion control
interface/card?
?
My phrase is 'what I know I
can write on paper with big block letters and
there is still plenty of room?
inside the thimble, after
inserting the paper, for my finger' - - - -
which is to say - - precious little.?
AIUI its a ethernet
modification - - - to speed communications
between devices, specifically?
- - again, AIUI, for drives
to controls. There is a master info source at:?
my search engine (duckduckgo)
included this with that address:?
The?EtherCAT?technology overcomes
the system limitations of other Ethernet
solutions: The Ethernet packet is no longer
received, then interpreted and copied as
process data at every connection. Instead, the
Ethernet frame is processed on the fly.
So
- - - it would seem that the value is in high
speed connections.?
I'm
not sure at what level ethercat comes into its
own - - - haven't been able to?
find
anything like 'a noobs guide to ethercat' . As
usual one is expected to be?
at
least sorta of a master form the get go - - -
- docs are so tedious to write?
is
what needs to be remembered (NOT - - -imo!).
So the whole seems like it?
could
be useful - - - but exactly how - - - well - -
- that's why I was asking for?
(One
more technology to master)
From
the still quite befogged mind of?
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Ok, it is running CypCut which has some nice features but I’d rather run Mach4! ? Thank-you! Brian Martin 
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 4:15 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 teach/record ? That is using step and direction if it is running the Chinese control software. I took that all out of my laser and have been putting in Mach4 with Ethercat :) . We are working on trying to talk to the Raycus fiber generator now ... That is NO fun to try and get support from them ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Development ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) ? Webpage: On 2/22/2022 2:21 PM, Brian Martin wrote: That mostly makes sense, I have a Senfeng 4KW laser that has a mixture Yaskawa and Delt drives on it. I will do some more reading on Ethercat. ? Thank-you! Brian Martin 
? ? Hi Guys, EtherCat is basically a distributed motion controller. So picture an ESS that? is in the drives as well as in the IO blocks . Its sort of like a Modbus setup but is all in realtime. You can mix and match hardware in an Ethercat system. So you can have drives from Yaskawa , Elmo, Omron , Delta , Leadshine and so on all on the same network. The drives could power Steppers or servos (the system has no idea what one it is..) You can also use IO from in the drives OR add IO modules as well. The Ethernet cable just goes from drive to drive and IO to IO. With the Kingstar / Mahc4 setup you can also to ABS encoders so you do not need to home the machine when you start it. This is REALLY cools because you don't need to have home switches or any of that other hardware. You can also read as much data about the drive as you would like. So you can see what current the motor is using for example . ? Now you can do this without the Kingstar software and add a hardware master like the board Vital systems has. This is a little more limiting but is much more flexible as to what PC it will work with. This is not the be all end all but it is the best way to make a high end system. It is the future... Well it really is here and the prices have been dropping like crazy. ? Okay I think that made more confusion than it helped ;) ? Thanks Brian ? ? ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Development ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Webpage: On 2/22/2022 10:11 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: ? On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:02 AM Brian Martin <bmm@...> wrote: No problem, o1bigtenor. I want to know more about Ethercat also. Go ahead with the discussion! Does an Ethercat drive network directly to the PC, or is there still a motion control interface/card? ?
My phrase is 'what I know I can write on paper with big block letters and there is still plenty of room? inside the thimble, after inserting the paper, for my finger' - - - - which is to say - - precious little.? AIUI its a ethernet modification - - - to speed communications between devices, specifically? - - again, AIUI, for drives to controls. There is a master info source at:? my search engine (duckduckgo) included this with that address:? The?EtherCAT?technology overcomes the system limitations of other Ethernet solutions: The Ethernet packet is no longer received, then interpreted and copied as process data at every connection. Instead, the Ethernet frame is processed on the fly. So - - - it would seem that the value is in high speed connections.? I'm not sure at what level ethercat comes into its own - - - haven't been able to? find anything like 'a noobs guide to ethercat' . As usual one is expected to be? at least sorta of a master form the get go - - - - docs are so tedious to write? is what needs to be remembered (NOT - - -imo!). So the whole seems like it? could be useful - - - but exactly how - - - well - - - that's why I was asking for? (One more technology to master) From the still quite befogged mind of?
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That is using step and direction if it is running the Chinese
control software. I took that all out of my laser and have been
putting in Mach4 with Ethercat :) . We are working on trying to
talk to the Raycus fiber generator now ... That is NO fun to try
and get support from them
______________________________
Brian Barker
Engineering / Development
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Webpage:
On 2/22/2022 2:21 PM, Brian Martin
wrote:
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Show quoted text
That mostly makes sense, I have a Senfeng
4KW laser that has a mixture Yaskawa and Delt drives on it. I
will do some more reading on Ethercat.
?
Thank-you!
Brian Martin
?
?
Hi Guys,
EtherCat is basically a distributed motion controller. So
picture an ESS that? is in the drives as well as in the IO
blocks . Its sort of like a Modbus setup but is all in
realtime. You can mix and match hardware in an Ethercat
system. So you can have drives from Yaskawa , Elmo, Omron ,
Delta , Leadshine and so on all on the same network. The
drives could power Steppers or servos (the system has no idea
what one it is..) You can also use IO from in the drives OR
add IO modules as well. The Ethernet cable just goes from
drive to drive and IO to IO. With the Kingstar / Mahc4 setup
you can also to ABS encoders so you do not need to home the
machine when you start it. This is REALLY cools because you
don't need to have home switches or any of that other
hardware. You can also read as much data about the drive as
you would like. So you can see what current the motor is using
for example .
?
Now you can do this without the Kingstar software and add a
hardware master like the board Vital systems has. This is a
little more limiting but is much more flexible as to what PC
it will work with. This is not the be all end all but it is
the best way to make a high end system. It is the future...
Well it really is here and the prices have been dropping like
crazy.
?
Okay I think that made more confusion than it helped ;)
?
Thanks
Brian
?
?
______________________________
?
Brian Barker
Engineering / Development
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Webpage:
On 2/22/2022 10:11 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
?
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:02 AM
Brian Martin <bmm@...>
wrote:
No
problem, o1bigtenor. I want to know more about
Ethercat also. Go ahead with the discussion!
Does
an Ethercat drive network directly to the PC,
or is there still a motion control
interface/card?
?
My phrase is 'what I know I can
write on paper with big block letters and there is
still plenty of room?
inside the thimble, after
inserting the paper, for my finger' - - - - which
is to say - - precious little.?
AIUI its a ethernet
modification - - - to speed communications between
devices, specifically?
- - again, AIUI, for drives to
controls. There is a master info source at:?
my search engine (duckduckgo)
included this with that address:?
The?EtherCAT?technology overcomes the
system limitations of other Ethernet solutions:
The Ethernet packet is no longer received, then
interpreted and copied as process data at every
connection. Instead, the Ethernet frame is
processed on the fly.
So
- - - it would seem that the value is in high
speed connections.?
I'm
not sure at what level ethercat comes into its
own - - - haven't been able to?
find
anything like 'a noobs guide to ethercat' . As
usual one is expected to be?
at
least sorta of a master form the get go - - - -
docs are so tedious to write?
is
what needs to be remembered (NOT - - -imo!). So
the whole seems like it?
could
be useful - - - but exactly how - - - well - - -
that's why I was asking for?
(One
more technology to master)
From
the still quite befogged mind of?
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That mostly makes sense, I have a Senfeng 4KW laser that has a mixture Yaskawa and Delt drives on it. I will do some more reading on Ethercat. ? Thank-you! Brian Martin 
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 11:06 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 teach/record ? Hi Guys, EtherCat is basically a distributed motion controller. So picture an ESS that? is in the drives as well as in the IO blocks . Its sort of like a Modbus setup but is all in realtime. You can mix and match hardware in an Ethercat system. So you can have drives from Yaskawa , Elmo, Omron , Delta , Leadshine and so on all on the same network. The drives could power Steppers or servos (the system has no idea what one it is..) You can also use IO from in the drives OR add IO modules as well. The Ethernet cable just goes from drive to drive and IO to IO. With the Kingstar / Mahc4 setup you can also to ABS encoders so you do not need to home the machine when you start it. This is REALLY cools because you don't need to have home switches or any of that other hardware. You can also read as much data about the drive as you would like. So you can see what current the motor is using for example . ? Now you can do this without the Kingstar software and add a hardware master like the board Vital systems has. This is a little more limiting but is much more flexible as to what PC it will work with. This is not the be all end all but it is the best way to make a high end system. It is the future... Well it really is here and the prices have been dropping like crazy. ? Okay I think that made more confusion than it helped ;) ? Thanks Brian ? ? ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Development ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Webpage: On 2/22/2022 10:11 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: ? On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:02 AM Brian Martin <bmm@...> wrote: No problem, o1bigtenor. I want to know more about Ethercat also. Go ahead with the discussion! Does an Ethercat drive network directly to the PC, or is there still a motion control interface/card? ?
My phrase is 'what I know I can write on paper with big block letters and there is still plenty of room? inside the thimble, after inserting the paper, for my finger' - - - - which is to say - - precious little.? AIUI its a ethernet modification - - - to speed communications between devices, specifically? - - again, AIUI, for drives to controls. There is a master info source at:? my search engine (duckduckgo) included this with that address:? The?EtherCAT?technology overcomes the system limitations of other Ethernet solutions: The Ethernet packet is no longer received, then interpreted and copied as process data at every connection. Instead, the Ethernet frame is processed on the fly. So - - - it would seem that the value is in high speed connections.? I'm not sure at what level ethercat comes into its own - - - haven't been able to? find anything like 'a noobs guide to ethercat' . As usual one is expected to be? at least sorta of a master form the get go - - - - docs are so tedious to write? is what needs to be remembered (NOT - - -imo!). So the whole seems like it? could be useful - - - but exactly how - - - well - - - that's why I was asking for? (One more technology to master) From the still quite befogged mind of?
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Hi Guys,
EtherCat is basically a distributed motion controller. So picture
an ESS that? is in the drives as well as in the IO blocks . Its
sort of like a Modbus setup but is all in realtime. You can mix
and match hardware in an Ethercat system. So you can have drives
from Yaskawa , Elmo, Omron , Delta , Leadshine and so on all on
the same network. The drives could power Steppers or servos (the
system has no idea what one it is..) You can also use IO from in
the drives OR add IO modules as well. The Ethernet cable just goes
from drive to drive and IO to IO. With the Kingstar / Mahc4 setup
you can also to ABS encoders so you do not need to home the
machine when you start it. This is REALLY cools because you don't
need to have home switches or any of that other hardware. You can
also read as much data about the drive as you would like. So you
can see what current the motor is using for example .
Now you can do this without the Kingstar software and add a
hardware master like the board Vital systems has. This is a little
more limiting but is much more flexible as to what PC it will work
with. This is not the be all end all but it is the best way to
make a high end system. It is the future... Well it really is here
and the prices have been dropping like crazy.
Okay I think that made more confusion than it helped ;)
Thanks
Brian
______________________________
Brian Barker
Engineering / Development
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Webpage:
On 2/22/2022 10:11 AM, o1bigtenor
wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at
7:02 AM Brian Martin < bmm@...>
wrote:
No problem, o1bigtenor. I want
to know more about Ethercat also. Go ahead with
the discussion!
Does an Ethercat drive network
directly to the PC, or is there still a motion
control interface/card?
?
Greetings
My phrase is 'what I know I can write on paper with
big block letters and there is still plenty of room?
inside the thimble, after inserting the paper, for my
finger' - - - - which is to say - - precious little.?
AIUI its a ethernet modification - - - to speed
communications between devices, specifically?
- - again, AIUI, for drives to controls. There is a
master info source at:?
?
my search engine (duckduckgo) included this with that
address:?
The?EtherCAT?technology
overcomes the system limitations of other Ethernet
solutions: The Ethernet packet is no longer received,
then interpreted and copied as process data at every
connection. Instead, the Ethernet frame is processed
on the fly.
So
- - - it would seem that the value is in high speed
connections.?
I'm
not sure at what level ethercat comes into its own - -
- haven't been able to?
find
anything like 'a noobs guide to ethercat' . As usual
one is expected to be?
at least sorta of a master
form the get go - - - - docs are so tedious to
write?
is what needs to be
remembered (NOT - - -imo!). So the whole seems like
it?
could be useful - - - but
exactly how - - - well - - - that's why I was asking
for?
info tips.?
(One more technology to
master)
From the still quite
befogged mind of?
(LOL)
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On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:02 AM Brian Martin < bmm@...> wrote: No problem, o1bigtenor. I want to know more about Ethercat also. Go ahead with the discussion! Does an Ethercat drive network directly to the PC, or is there still a motion control interface/card? ?
Greetings
My phrase is 'what I know I can write on paper with big block letters and there is still plenty of room? inside the thimble, after inserting the paper, for my finger' - - - - which is to say - - precious little.?
AIUI its a ethernet modification - - - to speed communications between devices, specifically? - - again, AIUI, for drives to controls. There is a master info source at:? ?
my search engine (duckduckgo) included this with that address:?
The?EtherCAT?technology overcomes the system limitations of other Ethernet solutions: The Ethernet packet is no longer received, then interpreted and copied as process data at every connection. Instead, the Ethernet frame is processed on the fly.
So - - - it would seem that the value is in high speed connections.?
I'm not sure at what level ethercat comes into its own - - - haven't been able to? find anything like 'a noobs guide to ethercat' . As usual one is expected to be? at least sorta of a master form the get go - - - - docs are so tedious to write? is what needs to be remembered (NOT - - -imo!). So the whole seems like it? could be useful - - - but exactly how - - - well - - - that's why I was asking for? info tips.?
(One more technology to master)
From the still quite befogged mind of?
(LOL)
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Bertho