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开云体育Hi, MACH3 on WIN-XP with USB SS into PMDX-125 on JGRO gantry based system. ? I have a limit and home switch shared for XY axis.? A shared limit/home and limit switches on the Z with an adjustable lower limit switch.?? Z-Home is at the top. ? Under the diagnostics the correct indicators light up for each axis when the appropriate switch is pressed. ? At any point if I hit one of the limit switches the Message ?ESTOP Detected shows up. ?It doesn't tell me which limit switch was hit.? I thought it used to. ?? ? Have? I inadvertently changed a parameter? ? Thanks John Dammeyer ? ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ? |
Re: Shuttle Express
开云体育Quick update on this. Moved it into the lab where my experimental Pi4 1Gb LinuxCNC is living.? Unfortunately not nearly as easy as in MACH to attach a Shuttle Express. ? Linux appears to be exhibiting the same Serial Mouse bug that plagued WIN-XP all the way up to WIN7.? Not sure about WIN-8 to WIN-10.? The bug is when a serial device (either on serial port or USB configured as a serial device) sends characters to Windows while it's booting.? At that point Windows thinks it's a mouse and serial data from say a weigh scale or temperature monitoring device drives the screen mouse pointer all over the place.? Eventually a Registry location was found or set up to prevent Windows from using the device as a mouse.? But considering it was years since an actual serial mouse was used on a serial port it's sad it took so long. ? Anyway, Linux identifies the Shuttle Express as a Human Interface Device and then allows it to move the mouse.? So turn the spring loaded outer wheel and if you have the mouse on an editor the pages scroll past.? There is a program to download and? run that prevents that but it took some looking. ? Next LinuxCNC also was not able to use the inner wheel for some reason.? And worse, once a G-Code program was run the entire unit stopped working.? Almost as if it was left in MDI mode.? As yet I've not had a response on the EMC group to address any of those issues.? ? So I unplugged the Shuttle Express from the Pi4, brought it back into the shop and plugged it into the small USB 1.0 hub I have dangling out the front for USB memory drives.? For installing G-Code.? A reboot of MACH3 because the Shuttle Express had just been discovered on the new USB input and bingo! ?The unit works the way it's supposed to and doesn't crawl along when the spring loaded outer wheel is released. ? No re-install of MACH was required.? No idea why using the USB 1.0 Hub would work while plugging into the back of the PC USB 2.0 hubs did not.? Very peculiar.? ? Now that the glued MDF is dry time to make some sawdust. John ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Macmurchie
Sent: June-22-21 5:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Shuttle Express ? There ya go.. ? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer ? Or bring mine over to your place to see if it works on yours… ? As for the LinuxCNC side of things I did find this: ? I should plug the shuttle express into the Pi4 and see if Linux 'discovers' it. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Macmurchie ? I would switch to Linux CNC myself, or borrow another shuttle from a friend and try that…? ? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer ? I think I may have mucked up a MACH3? setting or maybe it's a USB communications issue. ? Now when I jog any of the axis when the larger dial returns to the detented position the jog continues at the lowest level.? To stop if moving I have to move in the other direction. ? I don't believe it's mechanical because when I bring up the config dialog it's clear that as the outer dial is moved the number changes from 0 to a value.? When I let go of the dial it returns to zero but the axis keeps moving at the slow jog rate.?? ? In other works the Shuttle Express has reported the outer dial is back to 0 but MACH3 continues to jog the axis. ? What have I done?? What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks John |
Re: Shuttle Express
开云体育Hi Martin, Thanks. I do know it's not the hardware.? I moved it over to a LinuxCNC system running on a Pi4 1Gb and although the interface has issues, as shown on the MACH3 CONFIG screen the outer ring always returns to zero and on LinuxCNC moves the axis without any issue and no crawling along. ? I do not want to go through the process of re-installing MACH to fix this.? To me that's silly.? Who's to say I don't have to do that once a week because there's something else wrong.? That's like saying when it doesn't work just do a CTRL-ALT-DEL to fix it.? WIN-XP applications don't need re-installation to make them work. ? The system is a WIN-XP with USB Smooth Stepper, PMDX-125 and the ShuttleExpress running a JGRO CNC router with stepper motors, relay controlled router power.? Pretty simple system. ? IIRC, it's done this once before but either the problem went away or I did something to fix it. ?I have not had to re-install MACH. ? John ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Connelly
Sent: June-23-21 12:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Shuttle Express ? Save a copy of the Mach3 folder called Mach3_old or something similar. Reinstall Mach3 and copy over the .XML files and any changed screen sets to the new installation. See if that now works correctly. For some reason I have had to do this a number of times with Mach3, it seems to shut down when writing to its files sometimes (just a guess) and screws itself up. It may be an old slow laptop problem as this is what I use to run it. |
Re: Shuttle Express
Save a copy of the Mach3 folder called Mach3_old or something similar. Reinstall Mach3 and copy over the .XML files and any changed screen sets to the new installation. See if that now works correctly. For some reason I have had to do this a number of times with Mach3, it seems to shut down when writing to its files sometimes (just a guess) and screws itself up. It may be an old slow laptop problem as this is what I use to run it.
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Re: Shuttle Express
开云体育There ya go.. ? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Shuttle Express ? Or bring mine over to your place to see if it works on yours… ? As for the LinuxCNC side of things I did find this: ? I should plug the shuttle express into the Pi4 and see if Linux 'discovers' it. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Macmurchie ? I would switch to Linux CNC myself, or borrow another shuttle from a friend and try that…? ? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer ? I think I may have mucked up a MACH3? setting or maybe it's a USB communications issue. ? Now when I jog any of the axis when the larger dial returns to the detented position the jog continues at the lowest level.? To stop if moving I have to move in the other direction. ? I don't believe it's mechanical because when I bring up the config dialog it's clear that as the outer dial is moved the number changes from 0 to a value.? When I let go of the dial it returns to zero but the axis keeps moving at the slow jog rate.?? ? In other works the Shuttle Express has reported the outer dial is back to 0 but MACH3 continues to jog the axis. ? What have I done?? What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks John |
Re: Shuttle Express
开云体育Or bring mine over to your place to see if it works on yours… ? As for the LinuxCNC side of things I did find this: ? I should plug the shuttle express into the Pi4 and see if Linux 'discovers' it. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Macmurchie
Sent: June-22-21 5:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Shuttle Express ? I would switch to Linux CNC myself, or borrow another shuttle from a friend and try that… ?? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer ? I think I may have mucked up a MACH3? setting or maybe it's a USB communications issue. ? Now when I jog any of the axis when the larger dial returns to the detented position the jog continues at the lowest level.? To stop if moving I have to move in the other direction. ? I don't believe it's mechanical because when I bring up the config dialog it's clear that as the outer dial is moved the number changes from 0 to a value.? When I let go of the dial it returns to zero but the axis keeps moving at the slow jog rate.?? ? In other works the Shuttle Express has reported the outer dial is back to 0 but MACH3 continues to jog the axis. ? What have I done?? What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks John |
Re: Shuttle Express
开云体育I would switch to Linux CNC myself, or borrow another shuttle from a friend and try that…? ? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 4:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MachCNC] Shuttle Express ? I think I may have mucked up a MACH3? setting or maybe it's a USB communications issue. ? Now when I jog any of the axis when the larger dial returns to the detented position the jog continues at the lowest level.? To stop if moving I have to move in the other direction. ? I don't believe it's mechanical because when I bring up the config dialog it's clear that as the outer dial is moved the number changes from 0 to a value.? When I let go of the dial it returns to zero but the axis keeps moving at the slow jog rate.?? ? In other works the Shuttle Express has reported the outer dial is back to 0 but MACH3 continues to jog the axis. ? What have I done?? What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks John |
Shuttle Express
开云体育I think I may have mucked up a MACH3 ?setting or maybe it's a USB communications issue. ? Now when I jog any of the axis when the larger dial returns to the detented position the jog continues at the lowest level.? To stop if moving I have to move in the other direction. ? I don't believe it's mechanical because when I bring up the config dialog it's clear that as the outer dial is moved the number changes from 0 to a value.? When I let go of the dial it returns to zero but the axis keeps moving at the slow jog rate. ?? ? In other works the Shuttle Express has reported the outer dial is back to 0 but MACH3 continues to jog the axis. ? What have I done?? What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks John |
Re: brian food for thought
Thanks for the reply Brian. Vision code sounds interesting I want to know more. I have a dream to implement cv to an application in my industry..? it's a tricky op, would need lights, cameras a 5 axis head and some clever trajectory planning with real time feedback loop with the vision / decision making side. Would be a real leap forward as to how we do it now.
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Re: replacing computer
Spencer,
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Pick up a copy of Image for Windows (IMF) at www.terabyteunlimited.com. If the computers ARE identical (same MOBO, and CPU), use IMF to clone the old hard drive to the backup hard drive. Once the backup drive is plugged into the backup system, it will operate identically as before. If the computers are NOT identical, then clone the drives as before, replace the original hard drive with the cloned backup drive, boot up, and run Sysprep. (Be sure to check Generalize and Shutdown (not Reboot)). Pull the Sysprepped drive and install it in the backup system and boot up. It will go through it's Windows pre-configuration steps, then be fully operational. If you follow these steps every time you make any major changes to your primary system, you will always be covered in the event it dies. Lou P.S. There are a gazillion programs out there to clone hard drives, but this one is a well-maintained, mature product that has worked well for me for nearly 20 years. -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@... Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 11:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MachCNC] replacing computer Mach4 is working so well with all the mods i made to my router. I bought an almost exact duplicate computer so i can have a backup. I probably want to install everything (mach4 and not much else) on it to be sure it all works but do not need to switch license until i do actually need to use the new computer. How is that done and can it be done on short notice if my computer dies? -- Best regards, Spencer Chase 67550 Bell Springs Rd. Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. Spencer@... (425) 791-0309 |
Re: brian food for thought
开云体育Hi Frank, I wish I had time for such things :( I have been working on vision code and soon kinematics for tool point programming. We also have been working on code for many of the OEM's for more "integrated" solutions. Here is one that Mach Motion did that shows how Mach4 has changed Garage door manufacturing. This machine is reading the data from the server and programming it's self based on the order!? We have all the code done to plugin a new planner but we simply
need the time to do it now :(
Thanks
______________________________ Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 6/14/2021 3:37 PM, chico_xiba via
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Re: strange jogging
i will probably change it to .011" but it would be good to know why this happens and how to fix it correctly.
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On 6/14/2021 8:28 PM, spencer@... wrote:
If I set the Y jog increment to .01" i get a very strange motion. it lurches and jumps and apparently ends up ion the right place. the motion is definitely not normal, this sort of bizarre motion should never happen. it only happens in jogging from the jog screen, not from the xbox or MDI making the same move. If i change the increment in setup to .011" it is fine as well as every other increment. --
Best regards, Spencer Chase 67550 Bell Springs Rd. Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. Spencer@... (425) 791-0309 |
strange jogging
If I set the Y jog increment to .01" i get a very strange motion. it lurches and jumps and apparently ends up ion the right place. the motion is definitely not normal, this sort of bizarre motion should never happen. it only happens in jogging from the jog screen, not from the xbox or MDI making the same move. If i change the increment in setup to .011" it is fine as well as every other increment.
more strange is that screwing around with the increment changing it to .011" and then back to .01" it is not lurching now. also, is there a new version with the increment selection working after booting? i broke another cutter joggin 1 inch instead of .01? it was a cheap Chinese one so no big deal. BTW, the finish from a Whiteside or other quality bit is much better than the Chinese stuff. For a while i was getting very good Chinese router bits but it seems to be totally hit or miss. the company i was getting them from decided to make them on their own instead of buying from mfgs . I guess the next thing they need to add is quality control. I can not tell the difference between the good and the bad bits when new. Under the microscope they look pretty much the same. Anyway lesson learned (BUY US MADE TOOLING even if it costs twice as much) -- Best regards, Spencer Chase 67550 Bell Springs Rd. Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. Spencer@... (425) 791-0309 |
Re: replacing computer
It can be done in advance. The Mach4 license manager will allow you to issue up to 4 keys per account.
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@... Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 2:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MachCNC] replacing computer Mach4 is working so well with all the mods i made to my router. I bought an almost exact duplicate computer so i can have a backup. I probably want to install everything (mach4 and not much else) on it to be sure it all works but do not need to switch license until i do actually need to use the new computer. How is that done and can it be done on short notice if my computer dies? -- Best regards, Spencer Chase 67550 Bell Springs Rd. Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. Spencer@... (425) 791-0309 |
replacing computer
Mach4 is working so well with all the mods i made to my router. I bought an almost exact duplicate computer so i can have a backup.
I probably want to install everything (mach4 and not much else) on it to be sure it all works but do not need to switch license until i do actually need to use the new computer. How is that done and can it be done on short notice if my computer dies? -- Best regards, Spencer Chase 67550 Bell Springs Rd. Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. Spencer@... (425) 791-0309 |
Re: Spindle Control
开云体育The wizards are the best feature of MACH! ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Connelly
Sent: June-14-21 2:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Spindle Control ? Manual control of speed, direction and on/off on both lathe and mill. I do most of my work using wizards and MDI. Only go to CAM for complex shapes. |
Re: Spindle Control
开云体育Martin has described my situation to a “T”…? ? ? Sent from my Atari 2600 Regards, -Joemac ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Martin Connelly
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 2:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Spindle Control ? [Edited Message Follows] Manual control of speed, direction and on/off on both lathe and mill. I do most of my work using wizards and MDI. Only go to CAM for complex shapes. I also write Gcode programs for some things such as using the A axis where I can't be bothered to find a CAM program that does what I want. My machining is a hobby not work and tool changing is also manual so?I am under no time pressure or have any need to leave machines running unaided so the need for controlling the spindle with Gcode has never been something I felt I needed. |
Re: Spindle Control
Manual control of speed, direction and on/off on both lathe and mill. I do most of my work using wizards and MDI. Only go to CAM for complex shapes. I also write Gcode programs for some things such as using the A axis where I can't be bothered to find a CAM program that does what I want. My machining is a hobby not work and tool changing is also manual so?I am under no time pressure or have any need to leave machines running unaided so the need for controlling the spindle with Gcode has never been something I felt I needed.
Martin |