I just upgraded to R3.043.066 (from R2), I'm getting an error that says "radius at end of arc differs from radius to start, block =G02..."

I downloaded the more recent R3 from Artsoft and the? fix log shows nothing after R3.043.62.? I can go back to R2 if need be, but I'm hoping I don't have to. This code runs under R2.? Code generator was RhinoCAM 2017.? I'm running under win XP SP 3 since my computers with an LPT1 port with not support anything higher.

I'm seeing this error with every piece of code I have tested so far, all of which ran under R2 without issues.

Here is a snippet of the code (bold line is the one that crashes)

G00 G49 G40.1 G17 G80 G50 G90
G20
(Setup 1)
(Work Zero)
(2 1/2 Axis Profiling)
M6 T2
M03 S20000
G00 Z1.0466
X1.3373 Y-0.0609
G01 Z-0.1515? F120.0
X1.1529 Y-0.0778
X0.9299 Y-0.0944
X0.7066 Y-0.1074
X0.4832 Y-0.1169
X0.2596 Y-0.1227
X0.1105 Y-0.1246
X-0.1106
X-0.3484 Y-0.1208
X-0.5861 Y-0.1130
X-0.8236 Y-0.1011
X-1.0609 Y-0.0851
X-1.2979 Y-0.0651
X-1.5346 Y-0.0410
X-1.7707 Y-0.0129
X-2.0064 Y0.0192
X-2.2415 Y0.0553
G17
G02X-7.7519Y4.4694I0.9620J6.8475
X-7.4781Y9.3650I5.8485J2.1283
X-6.1583Y11.1056I6.2570J-3.3735
G01 X-5.9731 Y11.2914
G03X-5.4021Y11.9392I-5.5788J5.4928

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

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(425) 791-0309

Hey, Brian, anything?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 12:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Coil Winder Screen

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Hi Brian, it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there has been any progress on this?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Coil Winder Screen

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They guys should have been testing it...

I will hit them again for a status.. Sorry they have been using it as fill in work.

Thanks
Brian

______________________________

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Brian Barker

Engineering / Devlopment

ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions

Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)

Phone: 207(618)1449

Webpage: 

On 11/30/2020 11:44 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Brian, any movement on this?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Hey, man, any word?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 7:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Good question! Let me talk to the guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or something :)

______________________________

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Brian Barker

Engineering / Devlopment

ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions

Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)

Phone: 207(618)1449

Webpage: 

On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hey, Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil Winder screens?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 1:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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I don't know how long the coil winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the press brake tables should be ready for testing in a few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the Gcode files to drive the winder.

On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Thanks, Brian-I’m good for now.

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I’ll nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle speed thing in a couple of weeks.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Rob is on the floor now working on the laser we are putting new motors and drives in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix most issues.


On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote:

Thanks, Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just don’t want to forget about it.

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I tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and they are all working now as well.

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Do the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after starting Mach4.

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I got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried to call him, but I just got a message telling me your hours, and then some music.

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I don’t know if we really need to talk, though, since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved almost all of my problems.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM and it is taking a bit more time than I would like :( When that is done he will go over what Rob has and building a release.

2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have informed him of your progress.

3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going over the manual and checking them for the next release. Attached you will find a section of header file, look at that and tell me what you think (start at line number 2113)

4. I don't fully understand why you would want to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets do that after the rest of this is done please :)

Thanks
Brian


On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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1_ Has there been any progress on that Coil Winder Screen?

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2_ I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report that most of my issues appear to have been solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I still need to confirm that the issue with the Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved; haven’t had a chance to test that….

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3_ Is there an accurate list anywhere of the Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer, and I know that at least one of the variables in there is wrong…..

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4_ I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering spindle speed and such between shutting down and restart solved. I took the code that wrote the saved values on startup, out of the Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run only” section of the PLC code. This seems to work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for the first time after startup, it overwrites the correct value that has been put into the S DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4, after that, if I set a value for S, it stays there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything in any of the screen scripts that does anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place that treats ENABLE differently on the first time it is pressed after startup

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 9:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Rob is done the first round of getting machines ready for release testing so I have told him today is your test of turn. He may be contacting you... As for the coil winder screen Rob got most of that done before his return back to work. I was going to have Brett continue on with this as soon as he is done the bending software I have him doing. We have lots of projects we are working on so thanks for asking about the progress!

Thanks
Brian



On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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Did they get anywhere with the coil winder screen?

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What about this weird problem with the Turn Cycles? (they sure are great, when they work!)

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Hi Brian-new update:

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I was able to finish the part I was working on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity Buffer underrun errors from the ESS.

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Then, the ESS started randomly going offline without telling me.

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I reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322, and these problems went away(the FIFO and the ESS going offline.)

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I made a couple more parts using Late today, and everything was working fine, using the Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and Threading.

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Then I tried a Rounding operation using Turn Cycles.

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The Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end of the stock, without actually cutting anything-then it moved in to where it should have been and did the single finishing cut, taking off all of the stock that should have been done during roughing.

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I attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath window, as well as the .tap file for the Rounding operation.

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I “may” have entered an incorrect setting in the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to open for editing, and I can’t get any of the Turn cycles to open when clicking on their buttons. I get a message that says,

Unable to show wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for parameter 2, but got a 'nil'.

Function called: 'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)'

1. wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self), wxColour)

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I’ve tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at any of the Turn Cycles.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We have a few more machines we need to get working so we can get to the testing of the next release testing. We have the Matsuura 500 and the plasma table we need to get ready. The goal is to have them both finished this week so we can start testing Friday. This is when we will setup and test the ESS.

Thanks for the report
?Brian

On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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I have some more info and results on the threading cycle not working.

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Today, I backed up my current installation, and installed ESS v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517

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I needed to make a part that had a couple of different diameters, and an external M14 thread at each end.

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The turning was uneventful, but when I used the Turn Cycles screen to generate code for the first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it hung up on the G76 line just as the Internal thread had been doing earlier! Then, I realized that I had accidentally generated code for an Internal thread, but, this time, it was different, as the actual Spindle Speed display on the screen was very intermittent, usually staying at “0”, but occasionally flashing the actual measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the installation that I originally reported this problem on.

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So, I thought maybe my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten damaged or something. At this point, I set the machine back to in/min mode, and started the spindle up, and the on-screen Spindle Speed display worked perfectly. Going back into the threading cycle, and in/rev mode, the display was wonky again.

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Then, I remembered that the release notes for the ESS v257 plugin had mentioned something about a new check box to tell the ESS whether or not to report the spindle speed. I found that check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked it. Testing showed the same problem still remained.

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I then looked at the Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and changed it from PWM to “OB”.

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That did it, the threading cycle now works, whether ID or OD threading.

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I still have the smaller problem of the spindle making the CLUNK when it gets turned on again while it is already on. I went into config and disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was all in there because I never disabled it when I went to my Modbus controlled s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I still get the Clunk…

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

They are working on a coil winder screen and have the first part of it done.

They did a bunch of testing and could not make your issue happen. We have just started working back at the office where we have all the hardware for testing. We are getting the machines ready for release testing now and one of the things that will be tested is your issue. We are doing the best we can in this screwy time.

Thanks
Brian

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On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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Have you had a chance to work on this?

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Also any? progress on the coil winder screenset?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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That may be from my PLC script. I am interrogating the Modbus MPG register on my pendant.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Do you have any idea what is spamming for the MPG? I don't think this is causing you an issue, it is just bad practice and I would like to eliminate as many vars as I can. I was going to see if I could clean the profile and figure this out! I have a few things going on but I am trying to get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian


On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

I used to use relays and PWM to control my spindle, but now I use the Modbus plugin.

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I think that I left the relay/PWM config alone, and just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4 may be sending controls for both methods.

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Pretty sure I disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V from the VFD though. I will check that in a bit.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 12:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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I need your profile please. I don't understand what is firing output #54 I think I am getting a better idea what is going on!

Thanks
Brian


n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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The logging window is confusing because the SAVE button is at the bottom, but there is also a “log to file” button up at the top. What does that top button do?

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I don’t think this can be a hardware issue, as external threading code from the Turn Cycle works fine every time.

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Also, yesterday, after I STOPped an unworking internal threading program, I came back a few hours later, rewound and ran the same code, and it worked! Just once though, after that it would hang on the 2^nd G76 line uust like before.

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Attached is a log file; can you? see anything strange in there?

Attachments:

• G76 that stops on second G76 line.log

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Attachments:

• MachAPI.h

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i do have very slow acceleration. i also found that i could just move higher than necessary and missed the edge of the hole. it is without absolute stop that it made the "grinding" noise. it was not extreme just noticeable and made me think something mechanical was wrong. i put the G61 and 64 just around the z moves and it works just fine now, no grinding and no clipped hole edges. i am not too concerned if this is a bad way of doing it as long as it works and it is of such limited scope (three little places in the code) that i doubt there will be complications.

If the trajectory planner is combining moves that are commanded on separate lines, that is, making both moves at the same time, then something is very wrong.

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It sounds like Brian suspects that your acceleration is very low, and therefore the CV mode could cause this to appear to happen. While it is still on the way up in Z, it begins the next X or Y move.

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A quick way to get rid of the problem would be to command Z to move to a higher position before you tell the machine to move in X or Y. That way the roundoff would be in the air rather than in the part.

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The grinding noise you refer to may simply be the way your machine sounds in exact stop mode. It’s a pretty brutal way of doing things.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

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i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

On 4/4/2021 6:14 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

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I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

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i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

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M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

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Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

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I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

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i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

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M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase

67550 Bell Springs Rd.

Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.

Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.

Spencer@...

(425) 791-0309

?

Hi Brian, it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there has been any progress on this?

?

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______________________________

?

Brian Barker

Engineering / Devlopment

ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions

Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)

Phone: 207(618)1449

Webpage: 

Brian, any movement on this?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Hey, man, any word?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 7:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Good question! Let me talk to the guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or something :)

______________________________

?

Brian Barker

Engineering / Devlopment

ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions

Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)

Phone: 207(618)1449

Webpage: 

On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hey, Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil Winder screens?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 1:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

I don't know how long the coil winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the press brake tables should be ready for testing in a few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the Gcode files to drive the winder.

On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Thanks, Brian-I’m good for now.

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I’ll nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle speed thing in a couple of weeks.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Rob is on the floor now working on the laser we are putting new motors and drives in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix most issues.


On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote:

Thanks, Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just don’t want to forget about it.

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I tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and they are all working now as well.

?

Do the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after starting Mach4.

?

I got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried to call him, but I just got a message telling me your hours, and then some music.

?

I don’t know if we really need to talk, though, since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved almost all of my problems.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM and it is taking a bit more time than I would like :( When that is done he will go over what Rob has and building a release.

2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have informed him of your progress.

3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going over the manual and checking them for the next release. Attached you will find a section of header file, look at that and tell me what you think (start at line number 2113)

4. I don't fully understand why you would want to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets do that after the rest of this is done please :)

Thanks
Brian


On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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1_ Has there been any progress on that Coil Winder Screen?

?

2_ I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report that most of my issues appear to have been solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I still need to confirm that the issue with the Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved; haven’t had a chance to test that….

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3_ Is there an accurate list anywhere of the Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer, and I know that at least one of the variables in there is wrong…..

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4_ I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering spindle speed and such between shutting down and restart solved. I took the code that wrote the saved values on startup, out of the Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run only” section of the PLC code. This seems to work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for the first time after startup, it overwrites the correct value that has been put into the S DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4, after that, if I set a value for S, it stays there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything in any of the screen scripts that does anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place that treats ENABLE differently on the first time it is pressed after startup

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 9:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

Rob is done the first round of getting machines ready for release testing so I have told him today is your test of turn. He may be contacting you... As for the coil winder screen Rob got most of that done before his return back to work. I was going to have Brett continue on with this as soon as he is done the bending software I have him doing. We have lots of projects we are working on so thanks for asking about the progress!

Thanks
Brian



On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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Did they get anywhere with the coil winder screen?

?

What about this weird problem with the Turn Cycles? (they sure are great, when they work!)

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Hi Brian-new update:

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I was able to finish the part I was working on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity Buffer underrun errors from the ESS.

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Then, the ESS started randomly going offline without telling me.

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I reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322, and these problems went away(the FIFO and the ESS going offline.)

?

I made a couple more parts using Late today, and everything was working fine, using the Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and Threading.

?

Then I tried a Rounding operation using Turn Cycles.

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The Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end of the stock, without actually cutting anything-then it moved in to where it should have been and did the single finishing cut, taking off all of the stock that should have been done during roughing.

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I attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath window, as well as the .tap file for the Rounding operation.

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I “may” have entered an incorrect setting in the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to open for editing, and I can’t get any of the Turn cycles to open when clicking on their buttons. I get a message that says,

Unable to show wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for parameter 2, but got a 'nil'.

Function called: 'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)'

1. wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self), wxColour)

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I’ve tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at any of the Turn Cycles.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We have a few more machines we need to get working so we can get to the testing of the next release testing. We have the Matsuura 500 and the plasma table we need to get ready. The goal is to have them both finished this week so we can start testing Friday. This is when we will setup and test the ESS.

Thanks for the report
?Brian

On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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I have some more info and results on the threading cycle not working.

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Today, I backed up my current installation, and installed ESS v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517

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I needed to make a part that had a couple of different diameters, and an external M14 thread at each end.

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The turning was uneventful, but when I used the Turn Cycles screen to generate code for the first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it hung up on the G76 line just as the Internal thread had been doing earlier! Then, I realized that I had accidentally generated code for an Internal thread, but, this time, it was different, as the actual Spindle Speed display on the screen was very intermittent, usually staying at “0”, but occasionally flashing the actual measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the installation that I originally reported this problem on.

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So, I thought maybe my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten damaged or something. At this point, I set the machine back to in/min mode, and started the spindle up, and the on-screen Spindle Speed display worked perfectly. Going back into the threading cycle, and in/rev mode, the display was wonky again.

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Then, I remembered that the release notes for the ESS v257 plugin had mentioned something about a new check box to tell the ESS whether or not to report the spindle speed. I found that check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked it. Testing showed the same problem still remained.

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I then looked at the Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and changed it from PWM to “OB”.

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That did it, the threading cycle now works, whether ID or OD threading.

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I still have the smaller problem of the spindle making the CLUNK when it gets turned on again while it is already on. I went into config and disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was all in there because I never disabled it when I went to my Modbus controlled s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I still get the Clunk…

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

?

They are working on a coil winder screen and have the first part of it done.

They did a bunch of testing and could not make your issue happen. We have just started working back at the office where we have all the hardware for testing. We are getting the machines ready for release testing now and one of the things that will be tested is your issue. We are doing the best we can in this screwy time.

Thanks
Brian

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On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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Have you had a chance to work on this?

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Also any? progress on the coil winder screenset?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wander via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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That may be from my PLC script. I am interrogating the Modbus MPG register on my pendant.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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Do you have any idea what is spamming for the MPG? I don't think this is causing you an issue, it is just bad practice and I would like to eliminate as many vars as I can. I was going to see if I could clean the profile and figure this out! I have a few things going on but I am trying to get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian


On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

I used to use relays and PWM to control my spindle, but now I use the Modbus plugin.

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I think that I left the relay/PWM config alone, and just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4 may be sending controls for both methods.

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Pretty sure I disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V from the VFD though. I will check that in a bit.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 12:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Lathe-G76 and Turn Cycles

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I need your profile please. I don't understand what is firing output #54 I think I am getting a better idea what is going on!

Thanks
Brian


n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander wrote:

Hi Brian:

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The logging window is confusing because the SAVE button is at the bottom, but there is also a “log to file” button up at the top. What does that top button do?

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I don’t think this can be a hardware issue, as external threading code from the Turn Cycle works fine every time.

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Also, yesterday, after I STOPped an unworking internal threading program, I came back a few hours later, rewound and ran the same code, and it worked! Just once though, after that it would hang on the 2^nd G76 line uust like before.

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Attached is a log file; can you? see anything strange in there?

Attachments:

• G76 that stops on second G76 line.log

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Attachments:

• MachAPI.h

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On Apr 4, 2021, at 8:08 PM, spencer@... wrote:

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cycle start works and using b for the counter is just fine. no need to waste time unless you think others would like a fancy parts counter. my parts are in a sub that is run for 10000 times or something so i use the G) B1 in the sub. would need this to be an option with the parts counter but again i am really fine without one.

i think i could not get the plugin to work because i forgot it had to be enabled. i did this with ESS because i read the manual a page at a time and installed everything but when it came to the xbox i forgot. i guess i remembered when installing it on the house computer? i'm sure it will work fine now :)

On 4/4/2021 4:24 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

We can adjust the cv settings to make sure you have nice sharp corners. That is a function of the acceleration and the look ahead buffer depth. As for the Xbox controller I am sure we can make it work. When you have time I will have one of my support guys work with you. I would like to know what you have for issues so we can prevent them in the future.?

He can hep you get the parts counter in and the cycle start button working.

Thanks Brian?

On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:21 PM, spencer@... wrote:

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i added some more protection to my router including having an overload on the spindle motor cause the axis motors to disable to prevent breaking a non moving cutter. carbide snaps off very nicely.

however the biggest improvement is my senior citizen emergency necklace. i have several remote relays used in the shop for the compressor the vacuum and in the house for the piano bluetooth receiver and i have several that you can control from your cell phone. however for stopping the router that i hear from across the room might be doing bad things i wanted a single button and no confusion. i have the relay in series with the regular estop that connects to all motor circuits but leaves the ess and computer running.

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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309

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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309

On Apr 4, 2021, at 7:52 PM, spencer@... wrote:

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i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309

On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:21 PM, spencer@... wrote:

?

i added some more protection to my router including having an overload on the spindle motor cause the axis motors to disable to prevent breaking a non moving cutter. carbide snaps off very nicely.

however the biggest improvement is my senior citizen emergency necklace. i have several remote relays used in the shop for the compressor the vacuum and in the house for the piano bluetooth receiver and i have several that you can control from your cell phone. however for stopping the router that i hear from across the room might be doing bad things i wanted a single button and no confusion. i have the relay in series with the regular estop that connects to all motor circuits but leaves the ess and computer running.

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309

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