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I have been setting up my screen for my father who has little
experince with CNC.
Trying to train him as my cnc operator only right now.

For this purpose I think less info the better.
I would like to see diag screen and other non job related screens
become menu items rather than buttons and or pages.

His mill does not have spindel on off or rpm checking, nor limit
switches. So I left those items out of my design I recently
uploaded. Some day we will hook that stuff up,And I can add that
stuff back in.

His mill is a simple desktop 4th axis machine with no bells and
whistles.

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Tom,

I do all of my PC shopping at eBay, a dime is a dollar almost any
given day. I've purchased all of my computer related components
through eBay.

Servo

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "tommoser3246" <tommoser@h...>
wrote:

Any ideas on where I can buy a PCI parallel port card,

inexpensively

($10 - 20)that is guaranteed to work with both Windows XP and
Win2000. Most of the PCI cards are around $30 plus shipping when
bought new and the cards on ebay have no guarantee that they will
work on 2000/XP. I bought a dual parallel PCI card on ebay and it
only has drivers for win/95/98/ME and the manufacturer says they
aren't going to have drivers for it for 2000/xp. Any information
would be appreciated.

Thanks
Tom

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "Chuck Meckem" <zoomer@n...>
wrote:

I have been setting up my screen for my father who has little
experince with CNC.
Trying to train him as my cnc operator only right now.

For this purpose I think less info the better.
I would like to see diag screen and other non job related screens
become menu items rather than buttons and or pages.

His mill does not have spindel on off or rpm checking, nor limit
switches. So I left those items out of my design I recently
uploaded. Some day we will hook that stuff up,And I can add that
stuff back in.

His mill is a simple desktop 4th axis machine with no bells and
whistles.

While simplicity is a virtue you will find that even complex screens
are pretty easy to get used to. Kind of like an instrument panel on
a modern aircraft. Your eye and experience will allow you to rapidly
focus on the control you need on a crowded panel. If you logically
group and place the controls it makes it even faster. I got used to
MACH1 with everything on the main screen and Art came out with the
mutiple screen MACH2....I HATED it for a while. I ran from the
diagnostics screen for a long time until I could find time to design
my own. I ended up building a screen that had 100% of everything I
use and I never switch around. Some controls I very seldom use but
my brain (the part that allows me to hear the TV audio while my wife
is talking loudly to her sister in the same room) lets me filter them
out and focus on the controls I need.

After a basic training period with a simple screen you might want to
try a more complex version. Ignore the howls of protest for a few
days and see if the operator gets acclimated to the new interface.

Example:
There is no reason for my operator to go to the diag page at all.
The machine is set and running great, Why would I, or he need to
have easy access to it? I am in the belif that the machine is there
to make parts. Some find that the machine itself is there hobby. To
each there own, hence the editor. Just wish I could make the hardly
used pages a menu item instead of a page. Could help make more room
on first page for important info. I think it will be great to see
others screens and how others chose to work with Mach. I might learn
something new. My 2 cents..:)



--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "caudlet" <thom@t...> wrote:

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "Chuck Meckem" <zoomer@n...>
wrote:

I have been setting up my screen for my father who has little
experince with CNC.
Trying to train him as my cnc operator only right now.

For this purpose I think less info the better.
I would like to see diag screen and other non job related

screens

become menu items rather than buttons and or pages.

His mill does not have spindel on off or rpm checking, nor limit
switches. So I left those items out of my design I recently
uploaded. Some day we will hook that stuff up,And I can add that
stuff back in.

His mill is a simple desktop 4th axis machine with no bells and
whistles.

While simplicity is a virtue you will find that even complex

screens

are pretty easy to get used to. Kind of like an instrument panel

on

a modern aircraft. Your eye and experience will allow you to

rapidly

focus on the control you need on a crowded panel. If you

logically

group and place the controls it makes it even faster. I got used

to

MACH1 with everything on the main screen and Art came out with the
mutiple screen MACH2....I HATED it for a while. I ran from the
diagnostics screen for a long time until I could find time to

design

my own. I ended up building a screen that had 100% of everything

I

use and I never switch around. Some controls I very seldom use

but

my brain (the part that allows me to hear the TV audio while my

wife

is talking loudly to her sister in the same room) lets me filter

them

out and focus on the controls I need.

After a basic training period with a simple screen you might want

to

try a more complex version. Ignore the howls of protest for a few
days and see if the operator gets acclimated to the new interface.

Hi Group,

I have asked John Prentice to help out with this list as a Moderator.
John has accepted and can now help out with any problems or group
settings.

Thanks John,

Alan Trest

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:48:55 -0000, you wrote:

Any ideas on where I can buy a PCI parallel port card, inexpensively
($10 - 20)that is guaranteed to work with both Windows XP and
Win2000. Most of the PCI cards are around $30 plus shipping when
bought new and the cards on ebay have no guarantee that they will
work on 2000/XP. I bought a dual parallel PCI card on ebay and it
only has drivers for win/95/98/ME and the manufacturer says they
aren't going to have drivers for it for 2000/xp. Any information
would be appreciated.

Tom - valuable lesson, don't buy anything off ebay unles you have
researched it! All is not lost though - just resell it back on ebay!

Then - Buy a Lava PCI card, they work fine and are available for $19
!!
--
Steve Blackmore

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "routerman10" <marc@s...>
wrote:
I am researching CAM programs like VisualCAM, BobCADCAM,
DolphinCAM, Rams3D. I would appreciate any feed back on these or
any
other CAM program. Basic drawing, stable tool path creation and
post
processing to Mach2 are my requirements.

I can comment on Bobcad and Dolphin as I have used both. I did look
at Vector at one point but found it very hard to understand, a fault
that many have also related to

Bobcad like Vector works bit by bit on the job. You select the tool
and it writes the code, you select the speed and it writes the code,
you select the first contour and it writes the code etc , etc
Any mistakes or alterations and you have to delete the block and
insert a new block.
With both these two you also have to draw the tool offset and program
to that and you also have to select or draw the tool approach or
depart if you need to approach on the side of the work with form
cutters.

Dolphin is a far easier program to get started with. For a start a
lot of the work is done for you.
Basically it works like this. You draw your part in the CAD side of
the program, for instance an irregular outside shape with an
irregular pocket in the centre. Once you have the shape you want you
then select the outside shape, give it a name and a depth in a dialog
box that comes up, then click OK. Do the same to the pocket and save
the file. That's all there is in the CAD side to do and all you have
on the screen are the two true shape profiles you want, no offsets,
no run in's etc and no clutter.

Then you move the the CAM side and load the file. Your two profiles
swon on the screem with nothing else. First box that opens
automatically asks foe any file comments and a tool change position
if needed. Next box asks for the cutter size, type [ drill, mill,
ball nosed etc ]and depth of cut per pass.
Next box asks for the speed and feed to be set for the previous
cutter.

Then you select the go round icon and the two profiles are in a drop
down box, select the outside icon, select the way you want to go
round and in options set the approach and depart paths to suit the
job. Click OK and it will draw the toolpath around the outside taking
into acount the tool size you have specified. If some thing isn't
right just double click on the operation, change whats wrong and
rerun the program.
Then select area clear and do the pocket the same way. You get a vast
choice of ways to do it in the options tag.

Once you are happy with what is on the screen you select post and it
runs the program and writes the code. It wll only write the code when
you say.

That file is then paseed to Mach 2 and machines in the normal way.

John S.

Well, new for me anyway... I have grown beyond the size constraints
of my Taig mill that I have been using (first with Master 5 -then
Mach 1 and now 2) and have bought a Bridgeport series II (like Tim
Goldsteins "Bridgett"). The Boss 4 control absolutely has to go and I
will run it on Mach II. I need to replace the antiquated steppers
that are on it with some good servos that will work with Gecko
drives - anyone know where I can get some good ones? I think 26 -35
in/lb motors somewhere near 2500rpm would fit the bill.

Hi,

Looks like this group is off to good start,lets hope it continues.
Just a quick question.Is it possible to get M2DocDrafts file to pop up
on the Mach2 screen when pressing Help??It shure would be nice to have
such quick access to this fine and helpful document.If you do not ask
the experts you will never know.

Frank

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "fepapineau" <fepap@t...>
wrote:

Hi,

Looks like this group is off to good start,lets hope it

continues.

Just a quick question.Is it possible to get M2DocDrafts file to

pop up

on the Mach2 screen when pressing Help??It shure would be nice to

have

such quick access to this fine and helpful document.If you do not

ask

the experts you will never know.

Frank

Sadly I think the manual is too big for this role. You can of course
drag a shortcut to the PDF file onto the taskbar Quick Launch area
and click on this when you want the documentation.
If Quick Launch is not visible you can turn it on by
Start>Settings>Taskbar & Start Menu - Taskbar tab - Show Quick
Launch. You do of course need a copy of Acrobat Reader and to have
PDF file type associated with it - but if you have looked at the
file already then this is probably how your system is setup.

See vendor partner, Tormach LLC at www.artofcnc.ca for how to get a
bound hardcopy of the manual to have beside you in the workshop.

Best wishes

John Prentice

Art and other software programmers,

I've done it again. I spent a countless number of hours developing my
Mach2 Lathe and Mill screens in a 1024 x 768 resolution and just as I
was near completion I purchased a new toy for my Mach2 machine tool
control. It's a real neat Advantech panel mount industrial
workstation with a LCD touch screen display and a graphics overlaid
membrane keyboard. Now the problem is that it only supports a 640 x
480 resolution so I'm now faced with the possibility of having to
reconstruct my Mach2 screens for that resolution. The though of it
provoke an idea that maybe it's possible to scale my screens so I'm
asking those who are qualified to tell me if that is possible.

Servo

I need to convert the x axis on my big router from stepper to servo
I have on hand some of the first rev Gecko 320 drives and nice
Wagner{aka Baldor] servos. The encoders have 8 leads. Won't I need a
differential to TTL "translator? The encoders are Renco 800 ppr
Also, these motors have a 24v normally on brake, do I have to
dissasemble them? I was thinking of a second set of switches NC
and wired in series with 24v ?
Lastly, if I bench tune won't I have to retune under load?

thanks
Carl

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., "carlcnc" <carlcnc@y...> wrote:

I need to convert the x axis on my big router from stepper to servo
I have on hand some of the first rev Gecko 320 drives and nice
Wagner{aka Baldor] servos. The encoders have 8 leads. Won't I need

a

differential to TTL "translator? The encoders are Renco 800 ppr

You can just use one set of signals and disregard the differential
outputs. It doesn't matter which set but they need to be the same.
Differential encoders have two leads that respond to each pulse, one
goes from low to high and the other goes from high to low at the same
time. You should be able to get specs on those motors. I don't know
what your gearing is to the leadscrew but with a 800 ppr encoder
(3200 in quadrature) you may get into pulse count issues. If your
leadscrews/gearing adds X 5 then you are already at 16,000 pulses per
inch so a rapid of 120IPM requires 32,000 pps. MACH2 will do that
but not on all computers.

Also, these motors have a 24v normally on brake, do I have to
dissasemble them?

DON'T disassemble the motors. You may very well ruin the motor.

I was thinking of a second set of switches NC

and wired in series with 24v ?

If you have a contactor on the DC side of things with a spare set of
contacts you could wire the brakes to that. What I am talking about
is a contactor (big relay) that pulls in and latches on when you hit
the manual Start button and turns off under any condition where the
machine needs to stop quickly (limits, e-stop, safety switches,
etc). The brakes are made to be active on power failure which is the
best way.

Lastly, if I bench tune won't I have to retune under load?

Well, maybe. Tim Goldstein (I think) has worked out a way to
simulate a load on the bench to set the dampening that gets around
having to retune on the machine. Check his website about tuning
Gecko's

thanks
Carl

You also can get made-up differential receiver /transmitters from Rutex. See . Differential transmission can save a lot of headaches.
HTH
Regards
John C

Thanks to all the new members. We have had 175 members join in just
four days. Hopefully this will continue and all the Master5 members
will participate here as well as the Master5 List.

In the way of updates. I am working on a way to keep the Master5
archived messages as intact as possible. It has been pointed out to
me that to improve the space alloted to us by Yahoo, it would be very
helpful if all members when they reply to a thread, if they would cut
out the prior non-essential part of the post they are responding to.
Sometimes there are 4-5 concurrent replies in messages and this is
taking up alot of space. Please try and help us with this problem by
tidying up your messages and replies to others messages.

We want to keep this forum as helpfull as possible and archived for
everyones use as long as possible so please help us out.

Alan Trest

Hi all,
Installed newest version of Mach2, I get the following error
sometimes when running the program.
AppName Mach1ocx.ocx
Mach2.exe
ModVersion 1.0.0.1
Offset: 000164E6
I changed my motherboard to a newer faster Soyo was running an
Epox1.0Ghz 1gig mem. Could someone point me in the right direction
thanks for any help
Mike Carter
Louisville,KY

I got a joystick question. The program is setup to use a joystick,
will a game pad also work? My reason being that a game pad would make
for a better pendant. Example of one on ebay

ViewItem&item=2743824977&category=170 this is just an idea, but it
would be easy to use the way it is or hack it to a better suited case.
Just a thought.
Richard Konnen

wrote:

Hi,

.

Just a quick question.Is it possible to get M2DocDrafts file to

pop up

on the Mach2 screen when pressing Help??

Frank

Sadly I think the manual is too big for this role. You can of course
drag a shortcut to the PDF file onto the taskbar Quick Launch area
and click on this when you want the documentation.
If Quick Launch is not visible you can turn it on by
Start>Settings>Taskbar & Start Menu - Taskbar tab - Show Quick
Launch. You do of course need a copy of Acrobat Reader and to have
PDF file type associated with it - but if you have looked at the
file already then this is probably how your system is setup.

See vendor partner, Tormach LLC at www.artofcnc.ca for how to get a
bound hardcopy of the manual to have beside you in the workshop.

Best wishes

John Prentice

John

Thanks for your quick answer to my question.To bad it is not possible.

Regards

Frank

There is a way to do this, my DataCad documentation works in exactly this way.