Re: Need some volunteer editors for Wikipedia’s M17 article
Peter postulated: Is M17 a "mode" or is it a protocol???
It's the protocol known as Mode 17. -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM,?Tulalip, WA??Portland, OR, 360-474-7474
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Re: Need some volunteer editors for Wikipedia’s M17 article
Steve, I will take care of adding information on the CS7000
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 5:11?PM Steve Stroh N8GNJ via
<steve.stroh=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Of course there is a Wikipedia article for M17… I frequently reference Wikipedia articles to elaborate on certain obscure topics (example - OFDM) that are mentioned in passing in articles in Zero Retries. But for some reason, I never thought to look up M17 in Wikipedia, but I should have. This is an excellent brief description of M17:
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> M17 is a digital radio modulation mode developed by Wojciech Kaczmarski (amateur radio call signSP5WWP) et al. [1][2][3][4][5][6] M17 is primarily designed for voice communications on the VHF amateur radio bands, and above. The project received a grant from the Amateur Radio Digital Communications in 2021[7] and 2022.[8] The protocol has been integrated into several hardware and software
An apple cart to upset!? A parade to rain on!
Is M17 a "mode" or is it a protocol???
It's a protocol certainly, that wraps around 'phone that has been
encoded with CODEC2 ... but doesn't that just mean it's another subset
of 'phone?? :-D
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Re: Need some volunteer editors for Wikipedia’s M17 article
My perspective that M17 is a system, equivalent to DMR - protocol, hardware, network, etc. Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 5:11?PM Steve Stroh N8GNJ via
<steve.stroh=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Of course there is a Wikipedia article for M17… I frequently reference Wikipedia articles to elaborate on certain obscure topics (example - OFDM) that are mentioned in passing in articles in Zero Retries. But for some reason, I never thought to look up M17 in Wikipedia, but I should have. This is an excellent brief description of M17:
>
> M17 is a digital radio modulation mode developed by Wojciech Kaczmarski (amateur radio call signSP5WWP) et al. [1][2][3][4][5][6] M17 is primarily designed for voice communications on the VHF amateur radio bands, and above. The project received a grant from the Amateur Radio Digital Communications in 2021[7] and 2022.[8] The protocol has been integrated into several hardware and software
An apple cart to upset!? A parade to rain on!
Is M17 a "mode" or is it a protocol???
It's a protocol certainly, that wraps around 'phone that has been
encoded with CODEC2 ... but doesn't that just mean it's another subset
of 'phone?? :-D
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Peter Laws | VE[23]UWY / N5UWY | plaws0 gmail com | Travel by Train!
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Re: Need some volunteer editors for Wikipedia’s M17 article
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 5:11?PM Steve Stroh N8GNJ via groups.io <steve.stroh@...> wrote: Of course there is a Wikipedia article for M17… I frequently reference Wikipedia articles to elaborate on certain obscure topics (example - OFDM) that are mentioned in passing in articles in Zero Retries. But for some reason, I never thought to look up M17 in Wikipedia, but I should have. This is an excellent brief description of M17:
M17 is a digital radio modulation mode developed by Wojciech Kaczmarski (amateur radio call signSP5WWP) et al. [1][2][3][4][5][6] M17 is primarily designed for voice communications on the VHF amateur radio bands, and above. The project received a grant from the Amateur Radio Digital Communications in 2021[7] and 2022.[8] The protocol has been integrated into several hardware and software An apple cart to upset! A parade to rain on! Is M17 a "mode" or is it a protocol??? It's a protocol certainly, that wraps around 'phone that has been encoded with CODEC2 ... but doesn't that just mean it's another subset of 'phone? :-D -- Peter Laws | VE[23]UWY / N5UWY | plaws0 gmail com | Travel by Train!
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Need some volunteer editors for Wikipedia’s M17 article
This is a subsection of Why M17 Is Significant - Part 2 in Zero Retries 0164 tomorrow.
Wikipedia - M17 (amateur radio)Of course?there is a?… I frequently reference Wikipedia articles to elaborate on certain obscure topics (example -?) that are mentioned in passing in articles in Zero Retries. But for some reason, I never thought to look up?M17?in Wikipedia, but I should have. This is an excellent brief description of M17: M17?is a???developed by Wojciech Kaczmarski (SP5WWP) et al.??M17 is primarily designed for voice communications on the???bands, and above. The project received a grant from the Amateur Radio Digital Communications in 2021?and 2022.?The protocol has been integrated into several hardware and software projects[]. In 2021, Kaczmarski received the??Technical Innovation Award for developing an open-source digital radio communication protocol, leading to further advancements in amateur radio.
This article is pretty good, but it needs some updating from folks with good knowledge of the current state of M17. For example, the new CS7000 M17 radio isn’t mentioned in the Hardware Support subsection. …
Any volunteers willing to take on the needed update?
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
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Re: Why M17 Is Significant
Look forward to reading it!
On 8/8/24 11:26 am, Steve Stroh N8GNJ
via groups.io wrote:
Thank you all for your great info!
I incorporated much of the “amplification” that was
contributed in this thread into
Why M17 Is Significant - Part 2
in tomorrow’s Zero Retries 0164.
Thanks again folks! It takes a village?an
email list; I cannot do it alone.
Steve N8GNJ
I wrote a long article treatment on M17 in
today’s Zero Retries 0163 -?
Why
M17 Is Significant
Enjoy reading (and I’m looking forward to
hearing what I got wrong for a future update).
Steve N8GNJ
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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Re: Why M17 Is Significant
Thank you all for your great info!
I incorporated much of the “amplification” that was contributed in this thread into
Why M17 Is Significant - Part 2
in tomorrow’s Zero Retries 0164.
Thanks again folks! It takes a village?an email list; I cannot do it alone.
Steve N8GNJ
I wrote a long article treatment on M17 in today’s Zero Retries 0163 -? Why M17 Is SignificantEnjoy reading (and I’m looking forward to hearing what I got wrong for a future update).
Steve N8GNJ
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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Some great early history there Tom,
thanks for filling in some gaps I didn't know either.? I was one
of the DroidStar only early adopters myself.
As for my own involvement, COVID caused a resurgence of my
interest in ham radio, as it was the perfect activity for
lockdowns - one could stay home and have social interactions with
others over the air.? I quickly discovered a multimode system on
VK3RBA and was intrigued at their integration of several modes.? I
had done a lot of work on IRLP/Echolink intergration and EchoIRLP
years earlier.
Anyway, I discovered DVSwitch not long after and started
experimenting with building my own multimode gateway, and while
learning about DVSwitch, I saw mention of "M17" in the DVSwitch
groups.? I had no idea what M17 was, but a Google search quickly
educated me and I was instantly hooked.? Some time after, the
arrival of USRP2M17 gave me cause to add M17 capabilities to my
expanding multimode reflector.? That system has since grown into a
major multimode hub servicing several independent networks.
On 5/8/24 8:58 am, Tom Early via
groups.io wrote:
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Thanks for mentioning mvoice Tony.
?
Steve, I can fill in some less important areas of M17
development that has nothing to do with the important part,
radios and their firmware.
?
______________________________
?
I am pretty much an open-source fanatic, so when I heard of
the M17 Project in early 2020, I had a few initial conversations
with Steve, KC1AWV, on the M17 IRC channel and I was very
excited about the project.
?
I was working on another project that was taking most of my
free hours, but finished it up in the late summer of 2020. I
knew I could help the M17 Project, in at least a small way. I
got back on the IRC channel and started asking question about
M17 internet packets. That part of the spec wasn't yet nailed
down so had several email exchanges with Mike, W2FBI and Steve.
The three of us settled enough on the specifics, that I
squirreled myself away with my trusty laptop.
?
I wanted to write a reflector for M17. I already new its
name, mrefd. I didn't want to write it from scratch, but I knew
of only two open-source reflector at that time. Because of its
design, I chose xlxd as a starting point, an open-source
transcoding reflector written by Jean-Luc, LX3JL and Luc, LX1IQ.
I essentially gutted the multi-mode aspects of xlxd, as a
framework for mrefd, so I just had to write the classes for the
M17 protocol. I also needed an M17 client to test the reflector,
so I coded mvoice basing it on another DStar app I had written
earlier.
?
After testing everything I could think of, on or about Oct.
17, 2020, my good friend and co-developer, Colby,
W1BSB and I used mvoice to have the first M17 QSO going direct
mvoice to mvoice (AZ to ME). Then we connected to the M17-USA
reflector, at that time running on a server owned by Colby and
had another QSO through the reflector. On that day, several
bug were found and squashed.
?
A few days later, after fixing a few more things and filling
in some details in the READMEs, I Emailed Mike about what Colby
and I had done. Then Mike announce on the M17 IRC channel
something like "Tom has developed a ****-load of working M17
software and ...". What happened next was amazing...
?
There was a lot of excitement! I think a lot of hams just wanted
to hear what M17 sounded like. So, within a very short time
there were mrefd reflectors running everywhere and mvoice bugs
were coming in hot and heavy. Very quickly Doug, AD8DP added the
M17-protocol to Droidstar. Within a year, there were over 100
M17 reflectors all over the world and Steve had a page on the
M17 Project website where you could register your reflector and
view the rapidly growing list of reflectors. It was amazing.
There were lots of hams having QSOs with other hams all over the
world, using the M17 Spec, even though precious few were doing
it with RF. I think this illustrates very well how hungry hams
were for a V/UHF digital voice mode that 100% belongs to them!
?
Tom N7TAE
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Thanks for mentioning mvoice Tony.
?
Steve, I can fill in some less important areas of M17 development that has nothing to do with the important part, radios and their firmware.
?
______________________________
?
I am pretty much an open-source fanatic, so when I heard of the M17 Project in early 2020, I had a few initial conversations with Steve, KC1AWV, on the M17 IRC channel and I was very excited about the project.
?
I was working on another project that was taking most of my free hours, but finished it up in the late summer of 2020. I knew I could help the M17 Project, in at least a small way. I got back on the IRC channel and started asking question about M17 internet packets. That part of the spec wasn't yet nailed down so had several email exchanges with Mike, W2FBI and Steve. The three of us settled enough on the specifics, that I squirreled myself away with my trusty laptop.
?
I wanted to write a reflector for M17. I already new its name, mrefd. I didn't want to write it from scratch, but I knew of only two open-source reflector at that time. Because of its design, I chose xlxd as a starting point, an open-source transcoding reflector written by Jean-Luc, LX3JL and Luc, LX1IQ. I essentially gutted the multi-mode aspects of xlxd, as a framework for mrefd, so I just had to write the classes for the M17 protocol. I also needed an M17 client to test the reflector, so I coded mvoice basing it on another DStar app I had written earlier.
?
After testing everything I could think of, on or about Oct. 17, 2020, my good friend and co-developer, Colby, W1BSB and I used mvoice to have the first M17 QSO going direct mvoice to mvoice (AZ to ME). Then we connected to the M17-USA reflector, at that time running on a server owned by Colby and had another QSO through the reflector. On that day, several bug were found and squashed.
?
A few days later, after fixing a few more things and filling in some details in the READMEs, I Emailed Mike about what Colby and I had done. Then Mike announce on the M17 IRC channel something like "Tom has developed a ****-load of working M17 software and ...". What happened next was amazing...
?
There was a lot of excitement! I think a lot of hams just wanted to hear what M17 sounded like. So, within a very short time there were mrefd reflectors running everywhere and mvoice bugs were coming in hot and heavy. Very quickly Doug, AD8DP added the M17-protocol to Droidstar. Within a year, there were over 100 M17 reflectors all over the world and Steve had a page on the M17 Project website where you could register your reflector and view the rapidly growing list of reflectors. It was amazing. There were lots of hams having QSOs with other hams all over the world, using the M17 Spec, even though precious few were doing it with RF. I think this illustrates very well how hungry hams were for a V/UHF digital voice mode that 100% belongs to them!
?
Tom N7TAE
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Also, a lot of early IP only M17 activity was done by directly connecting to reflectors using mvoice or DroidStar. ?These methods are still available today, and are in common use.
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Thanks Tony! That’s the kind is details I needed to hear.?
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Editor
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Had a good read.? I can add that Jonathan Naylor G4KLX was responsible for adding M17 support to the MMDVM project (which is also his work).? He also created M17Client, which is client side (radio terminal) software that used a MMDVM board as a user radio.?
This works with both the modems (paired with a 9600 capable radio, makes an excellent M17 radio) and hotspots (creating a QRP self contained transceiver).? Only other thing required is a USB sound device and some form of display usually HDMI or Nextion, though
I got it working using a remote X server.
I've been involved in testing the MMDVM implementations of M17.? I've also played with the TNC3 (unfortunately the app doesn't like my Android phone, which makes it a challenge to get working reliably), and today I use a Module17 into my own local M17
systems.? The M17Client is still available as an alternative or for demonstrating a different implementation.? As your article states, the different implementations work well with each other.
You missed M17Tools, which is a suite of software that runs on a host PC/Pi/Mac etc and can use a soundcard interface (Digirig is a recommended all in one interface that can pass baseband) to do M17 with a 9600 capable radio.? At this time, M17Client doesn't
like my Windows laptop, but others have reported good results, especially on Linux hosts.
Haven't got my hands on a CSI radio yet.? Unfortunately, current exchange rates and other issues make it a lower priority expense right now, but I'd like to eventually support their efforts, because it deserves support.? Yes, it's at an early alpha level,
but testing and bug reporting is an interesting and worthwhile activity for me to do.
On 3/8/24 12:21 pm, Steve Stroh via wrote:
I wrote a long article treatment on M17 in today’s Zero Retries 0163 -?
Why M17 Is Significant
Enjoy reading (and I’m looking forward to hearing what I got wrong for a future update).
Steve N8GNJ
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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Thanks Tony! That’s the kind is details I needed to hear.? Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
Had a good read.? I can add that
Jonathan Naylor G4KLX was responsible for adding M17 support to
the MMDVM project (which is also his work).? He also created
M17Client, which is client side (radio terminal) software that
used a MMDVM board as a user radio.? This works with both the
modems (paired with a 9600 capable radio, makes an excellent M17
radio) and hotspots (creating a QRP self contained transceiver).?
Only other thing required is a USB sound device and some form of
display usually HDMI or Nextion, though I got it working using a
remote X server.
I've been involved in testing the MMDVM
implementations of M17.? I've also played with the TNC3
(unfortunately the app doesn't like my Android phone, which makes
it a challenge to get working reliably), and today I use a
Module17 into my own local M17 systems.? The M17Client is still
available as an alternative or for demonstrating a different
implementation.? As your article states, the different
implementations work well with each other.
You missed M17Tools, which is a suite of software that runs on a
host PC/Pi/Mac etc and can use a soundcard interface (Digirig is a
recommended all in one interface that can pass baseband) to do M17
with a 9600 capable radio.? At this time, M17Client doesn't like
my Windows laptop, but others have reported good results,
especially on Linux hosts.
Haven't got my hands on a CSI radio
yet.? Unfortunately, current exchange rates and other issues make
it a lower priority expense right now, but I'd like to eventually
support their efforts, because it deserves support.? Yes, it's at
an early alpha level, but testing and bug reporting is an
interesting and worthwhile activity for me to do.
On 3/8/24 12:21 pm, Steve Stroh via
wrote:
I wrote a long article treatment on M17 in today’s
Zero Retries 0163 -?
Why
M17 Is Significant
Enjoy reading (and I’m looking forward to
hearing what I got wrong for a future update).
Steve N8GNJ
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Re: Why M17 Is Significant
Had a good read.? I can add that
Jonathan Naylor G4KLX was responsible for adding M17 support to
the MMDVM project (which is also his work).? He also created
M17Client, which is client side (radio terminal) software that
used a MMDVM board as a user radio.? This works with both the
modems (paired with a 9600 capable radio, makes an excellent M17
radio) and hotspots (creating a QRP self contained transceiver).?
Only other thing required is a USB sound device and some form of
display usually HDMI or Nextion, though I got it working using a
remote X server.
I've been involved in testing the MMDVM
implementations of M17.? I've also played with the TNC3
(unfortunately the app doesn't like my Android phone, which makes
it a challenge to get working reliably), and today I use a
Module17 into my own local M17 systems.? The M17Client is still
available as an alternative or for demonstrating a different
implementation.? As your article states, the different
implementations work well with each other.
You missed M17Tools, which is a suite of software that runs on a
host PC/Pi/Mac etc and can use a soundcard interface (Digirig is a
recommended all in one interface that can pass baseband) to do M17
with a 9600 capable radio.? At this time, M17Client doesn't like
my Windows laptop, but others have reported good results,
especially on Linux hosts.
Haven't got my hands on a CSI radio
yet.? Unfortunately, current exchange rates and other issues make
it a lower priority expense right now, but I'd like to eventually
support their efforts, because it deserves support.? Yes, it's at
an early alpha level, but testing and bug reporting is an
interesting and worthwhile activity for me to do.
On 3/8/24 12:21 pm, Steve Stroh via
groups.io wrote:
I wrote a long article treatment on M17 in today’s
Zero Retries 0163 -?
Why
M17 Is Significant
Enjoy reading (and I’m looking forward to
hearing what I got wrong for a future update).
Steve N8GNJ
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
--
73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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I wrote a long article treatment on M17 in today’s Zero Retries 0163 -? Why M17 Is SignificantEnjoy reading (and I’m looking forward to hearing what I got wrong for a future update).
Steve N8GNJ
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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Re: 100 subscribers, CS M17 Radios nearly shipping
Steve N8GNJ wrote: “Do you know of a repeater that includes MMDVM support, that can corresponding do M17? Please post back to this list if you know of such a repeater.” I think you are asking about MMDVM repeaters with M17 enabled. If so, I believe there are several in VK-land. In the US, I’m aware of K6PUW in Los Angeles – I believe it is temporarily off the air, but it had M17 enabled very early in the testing cycle. In Northern California, I am DV Admin for the W6CX DV MultiMode repeater in the San Francisco East Bay. I was able to upgrade the modem’s firmware and configure for M17 in December 2023. It repeats D-Star, DMR, YSF-Fusion and M17. But I have not done a search for US M17-enabled repeaters. That would be worth doing. Jim – K6JM From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 7:09 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [M17-Users] 100 subscribers, CS M17 Radios nearly shipping All: This list just hit 100 subscribers, so given that it’s still on the Free tier at , we’re full up (cannot accept any additional subscribers) until I step up to support the Paid tier. If you aren’t on the Connect Systems mailing list, I suggest you do so to follow the progress of the CS M17 Radios. If you go to and stay there for a few minutes, you should see a popup for the CS newsletter. I wish I had a stable URL for subscribing, but I don’t. Here’s the latest from the CS newsletter as of today: STATUS OF M17 PROJECT The CS7000 M17 has started shipping. The first two has shipped to Japan. The rest will ship either Monday or Tuesday. They would have shipped yesterday but the manufacturer forgot to include the programming cables. The cables are being shipped by DHL and they suppose to be here on Tuesday. I am hoping they will get here on Monday. All the radios are packed along with the USPS labels on the box. Only need to put the programming cable in the box and close it. Once we start shipping those radios, the price will go from $249 to $299. As I said in an earlier email, the discount is because the early buyers are in effect subsidizing the production and I thought they should get a discount. The CS7000 M17 PLUS is coming along but we did have one hiccup. The manufacturer wanted to make sure the DVSI vocoder will work on the M7 version of the ARM microprocessor. The current microprocessor is the M4 version of the microprocessor. They are going to try it and should get the results in a few more days. ST micro says the M7 is backwards compatible with the M4. I thought I would find out about the compatibility myself by asking DVSI, the originator of the vocoder. They had a nasty attitude and told me unless I was the licensee of the vocoder, they would not tell me. I started out by calling them and the person I needed to speak to was not there. I left a message and they never called me back. Because they did not call back, over the next two days I called a few times per day hoping I would get someone. No one answered when I called them. Then they asked me not to call so much. If they answered and told me they would not give me an answer I would not have bothered them again. Over the next few days you will see an application note on our website on how to convert from DMR to M17 and M17 to DMR. Supporting The M17 Project We are asking the amateur community to buy in advance one or more of the radios. When the radios are available, you will be the first to get them at a discount from the standard price of the radio. If at anytime you decide you would rather not support this project, you can get your money back and then get in the back of the line for when the radios are released. As far as I'm aware, CS is the only company that is shipping a radio that can do M17 “out of the box”. I hope there will be significant support for Connect Systems with these radios. I wish I could purchase a pair, but my experiment budget is insufficient to do so at the moment. Request: Do you know of a repeater that includes MMDVM support, that can corresponding do M17? Please post back to this list if you know of such a repeater. Thanks, Steve N8GNJ -- Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas! _._,_._,_
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Mine just arrived and is in the charger. I'm downloading firmware, cps and application notes now.
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WB5EKU got his CS7000-M17 radio already.? Mine arrives this afternoon. (I’m in Northern California). I have been using a Module 17 board with an analog FM radio, but I’m looking forward to using a commercial M17 radio. ? ???? Jim – K6JM ? ? I've also heard directly from CS 7000 buyers that their shipping status has changed, so it looks like people will have M17 radios in their hands soon. :) On 20/7/24 12:08 pm, Steve Stroh via wrote: All: This list just hit 100 subscribers, so given that it’s still on the Free tier at , we’re full up (cannot accept any additional subscribers) until I step up to support the Paid tier. If you aren’t on the Connect Systems mailing list, I suggest you do so to follow the progress of the CS M17 Radios. If you go to??and stay there for a few minutes, you should see a popup for the CS newsletter. I wish I had a stable URL for subscribing, but I don’t. Here’s the latest from the CS newsletter as of today: The CS7000 M17 has started shipping. The first two has shipped to Japan. The rest will ship either Monday or Tuesday. They would have shipped yesterday but the manufacturer forgot to include the programming cables. The cables are being shipped by DHL and they suppose to be here on Tuesday. I am hoping they will get here on Monday. All the radios are packed along with the USPS labels on the box. Only need to put the programming cable in the box and close it. Once we start shipping those radios, the price will go from $249 to $299. As I said in an earlier email, the discount is because the early buyers are in effect subsidizing the production and I thought they should get a discount. The CS7000 M17 PLUS is coming along but we did have one hiccup. The manufacturer wanted to make sure the DVSI vocoder will work on the M7 version of the ARM microprocessor. The current microprocessor is the M4 version of the microprocessor. They are going to try it and should get the results in a few more days. ST micro says the M7 is backwards compatible with the M4. I thought I would find out about the compatibility myself by asking DVSI, the originator of the vocoder. They had a nasty attitude and told me unless I was the licensee of the vocoder, they would not tell me. I started out by calling them and the person I needed to speak to was not there. I left a message and they never called me back. Because they did not call back, over the next two days I called a few times per day hoping I would get someone. No one answered when I called them. Then they asked me not to call so much. If they answered and told me they would not give me an answer I would not have bothered them again. Over the next few days you will see an application note on our website on how to convert from DMR to M17 and M17 to DMR. Supporting The M17 Project We are asking the amateur community to buy in advance one or more of the radios. When the radios are available, you will be the first to get them at a discount from the standard price of the radio. If at anytime you decide you would rather not support this project, you can get your money back and then get in the back of the line for when the radios are released.
As far as I'm aware, CS is the only company that is shipping a radio that can do M17 “out of the box”. I hope there will be significant support for Connect Systems with these radios. I wish I could purchase a pair, but my experiment budget is insufficient to do so at the moment. Do you know of a repeater that includes MMDVM support, that can corresponding do M17? Please post back to this list if you know of such a repeater. Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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WB5EKU got his CS7000-M17 radio already.? Mine arrives this afternoon. (I’m in Northern California). I have been using a Module 17 board with an analog FM radio, but I’m looking forward to using a commercial M17 radio. ? ???? Jim – K6JM ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 1:19 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M17-Users] 100 subscribers, CS M17 Radios nearly shipping ? I've also heard directly from CS 7000 buyers that their shipping status has changed, so it looks like people will have M17 radios in their hands soon. :) On 20/7/24 12:08 pm, Steve Stroh via groups.io wrote: All: This list just hit 100 subscribers, so given that it’s still on the Free tier at , we’re full up (cannot accept any additional subscribers) until I step up to support the Paid tier. If you aren’t on the Connect Systems mailing list, I suggest you do so to follow the progress of the CS M17 Radios. If you go to??and stay there for a few minutes, you should see a popup for the CS newsletter. I wish I had a stable URL for subscribing, but I don’t. Here’s the latest from the CS newsletter as of today: The CS7000 M17 has started shipping. The first two has shipped to Japan. The rest will ship either Monday or Tuesday. They would have shipped yesterday but the manufacturer forgot to include the programming cables. The cables are being shipped by DHL and they suppose to be here on Tuesday. I am hoping they will get here on Monday. All the radios are packed along with the USPS labels on the box. Only need to put the programming cable in the box and close it. Once we start shipping those radios, the price will go from $249 to $299. As I said in an earlier email, the discount is because the early buyers are in effect subsidizing the production and I thought they should get a discount. The CS7000 M17 PLUS is coming along but we did have one hiccup. The manufacturer wanted to make sure the DVSI vocoder will work on the M7 version of the ARM microprocessor. The current microprocessor is the M4 version of the microprocessor. They are going to try it and should get the results in a few more days. ST micro says the M7 is backwards compatible with the M4. I thought I would find out about the compatibility myself by asking DVSI, the originator of the vocoder. They had a nasty attitude and told me unless I was the licensee of the vocoder, they would not tell me. I started out by calling them and the person I needed to speak to was not there. I left a message and they never called me back. Because they did not call back, over the next two days I called a few times per day hoping I would get someone. No one answered when I called them. Then they asked me not to call so much. If they answered and told me they would not give me an answer I would not have bothered them again. Over the next few days you will see an application note on our website on how to convert from DMR to M17 and M17 to DMR. Supporting The M17 Project We are asking the amateur community to buy in advance one or more of the radios. When the radios are available, you will be the first to get them at a discount from the standard price of the radio. If at anytime you decide you would rather not support this project, you can get your money back and then get in the back of the line for when the radios are released.
As far as I'm aware, CS is the only company that is shipping a radio that can do M17 “out of the box”. I hope there will be significant support for Connect Systems with these radios. I wish I could purchase a pair, but my experiment budget is insufficient to do so at the moment. Do you know of a repeater that includes MMDVM support, that can corresponding do M17? Please post back to this list if you know of such a repeater. Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
? -- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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And just to be clear about choice 1, once you have that M17-configured hotspot, you can connect to many M17 reflectors worldwide and find people to talk to. From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 1:22 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M17-Users] Echo/Parrot 2 choices: 1. Buy a MMDVM_HS and a Pi and install WPSD. Use WPSD to upgrade the firmware on the hotspot and you have access to the M17 network. or 2. Buy a MMDVM modem and a couple of data capable radios and setup a repeater. Again you may need to upgrade the firmware on the board to support M17. Now you're servicing your local user base. On 20/7/24 3:26 pm, KF7GD via groups.io wrote: I have the same question. I am near tacoma, close to the puyallup fairgrounds. I was considering buying one of the radios but if there is no one to talk to not very interesting. I love the idea of an open source project like this I have resisted digital as I did not think the closed systems were true to the spirit of ham radio. Thanks Art. -- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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2 choices:
1.? Buy a MMDVM_HS and a Pi and install
WPSD.? Use WPSD to upgrade the firmware on the hotspot and you
have access to the M17 network.
or
2.? Buy a MMDVM modem and a couple of data capable radios and
setup a repeater.? Again you may need to upgrade the firmware on
the board to support M17.? Now you're servicing your local user
base.
On 20/7/24 3:26 pm, KF7GD via groups.io
wrote:
I have the same question.?? I am near tacoma,? close to the
puyallup fairgrounds.
I was considering buying one of the radios but if there is no
one to talk to
not very interesting.
?
I love the idea of an open source project like this I have
resisted digital as I did not think the closed systems were true
to the spirit of ham radio.
?
Thanks Art.
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Re: 100 subscribers, CS M17 Radios nearly shipping
I've also heard directly from CS 7000
buyers that their shipping status has changed, so it looks like
people will have M17 radios in their hands soon. :)
On 20/7/24 12:08 pm, Steve Stroh via
groups.io wrote:
All:
This list just hit 100 subscribers, so given that
it’s still on the Free tier at , we’re full up (cannot
accept any additional subscribers) until I step up to support
the Paid tier.
If you aren’t on the Connect Systems mailing
list, I suggest you do so to follow the progress of the CS M17
Radios. If you go to??and
stay there for a few minutes, you should see a popup for the
CS newsletter. I wish I had a stable URL for subscribing, but
I don’t.
Here’s the latest from the CS newsletter as of
today:
The CS7000 M17 has started shipping. The
first two has shipped to Japan. The rest will ship either
Monday or Tuesday. They would have shipped yesterday but
the manufacturer forgot to include the programming cables.
The cables are being shipped by DHL and they suppose to be
here on Tuesday. I am hoping they will get here on Monday.
All the radios are packed along with the USPS
labels on the box. Only need to put the programming cable
in the box and close it.
Once we start shipping those radios, the
price will go from $249 to $299. As I said in an earlier
email, the discount is because the early buyers are in
effect subsidizing the production and I thought they
should get a discount.
The CS7000 M17 PLUS is coming along but we
did have one hiccup. The manufacturer wanted to make sure
the DVSI vocoder will work on the M7 version of the ARM
microprocessor. The current microprocessor is the M4
version of the microprocessor. They are going to try it
and should get the results in a few more days. ST micro
says the M7 is backwards compatible with the M4.
I thought I would find out about the
compatibility myself by asking DVSI, the originator of the
vocoder. They had a nasty attitude and told me unless I
was the licensee of the vocoder, they would not tell me.
I started out by calling them and the person
I needed to speak to was not there. I left a message and
they never called me back. Because they did not call back,
over the next two days I called a few times per day hoping
I would get someone. No one answered when I called them.
Then they asked me not to call so much. If they answered
and told me they would not give me an answer I would not
have bothered them again.
Over the next few days you will see an
application note on our website on how to convert from DMR
to M17 and M17 to DMR.
Supporting The M17 Project
We are asking the amateur community to buy in
advance one or more of the radios. When the radios are
available, you will be the first to get them at a discount
from the standard price of the radio. If at anytime you
decide you would rather not support this project, you can
get your money back and then get in the back of the line
for when the radios are released.
As far as I'm aware, CS is the only company that
is shipping a radio that can do M17 “out of the box”.
I hope there will be significant support for
Connect Systems with these radios. I wish I could purchase a
pair, but my experiment budget is insufficient to do so at the
moment.
Request:
Do you know of a repeater that includes MMDVM
support, that can corresponding do M17? Please post back to
this list if you know of such a repeater.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
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Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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