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Re: history - Edward Grey

jim twist
 

?Nice try , but? not what happened. The native population was enslaved? by Columbus? in order to extract gold. The slaves were abused horribly with mutilations and executions common. So your attempts at minimizing Columbus's cruelty and culpability is simply false.? It was to the point that the Spanish revoked his governorship and recalled him to Spain for trial. Sorry , it is just reality.?

On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 01:00:38 AM CST, jimntempe via groups.io <jimntempe@...> wrote:


The mobs have done the same in regard to Columbus.? Just read an excellent book based on the extensive writings by Columbus and others of his journeys to the new land.? He made several as did others.? Contrary to the claims of the mob Columbus did not abuse the natives but went to great lengths to try and prevent their abuse.? They were abused by others who Columbus had no choice but to leave behind when he returned.? Those others disobeyed Columbus's orders.? It is true some natives were treated very poorly and there were rapes.? Can't excuse it but it was the way things were done by many back then but Columbus was not part of it and tried to stop it.?


Re: history - Edward Grey

 

What book was that?? There’s a similar book that describes Columbus’s voyages, and how the islands had a wide breadth of cultures.? It’s hard to tell whether those were allegorical or exaggerated.? You’d think that they would all be about the same, though accounts about Cortez in Mexico describe Aztecs were a lot more brutal than the neighboring tribes.
Ed


On Saturday, January 16, 2021, jimntempe via <jimntempe=[email protected]> wrote:
The mobs have done the same in regard to Columbus.? Just read an excellent book based on the extensive writings by Columbus and others of his journeys to the new land.? He made several as did others.? Contrary to the claims of the mob Columbus did not abuse the natives but went to great lengths to try and prevent their abuse.? They were abused by others who Columbus had no choice but to leave behind when he returned.? Those others disobeyed Columbus's orders.? It is true some natives were treated very poorly and there were rapes.? Can't excuse it but it was the way things were done by many back then but Columbus was not part of it and tried to stop it.?


Re: history - Edward Grey

 

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Yes, it’s chilling how easily and wholeheartedly people give themselves to thinking with crowds.


On Jan 17, 2021, at 02:00, jimntempe via groups.io <jimntempe@...> wrote:

?The mobs have done the same in regard to Columbus.? Just read an excellent book based on the extensive writings by Columbus and others of his journeys to the new land.? He made several as did others.? Contrary to the claims of the mob Columbus did not abuse the natives but went to great lengths to try and prevent their abuse.? They were abused by others who Columbus had no choice but to leave behind when he returned.? Those others disobeyed Columbus's orders.? It is true some natives were treated very poorly and there were rapes.? Can't excuse it but it was the way things were done by many back then but Columbus was not part of it and tried to stop it.?


a poem for these times

 

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"Will you walk a little faster?" said a whiting to a snail,

"There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my tail.

See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance!

They are waiting on the shingle—will you come and join the dance?

????Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the dance?

????Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance?


"You can really have no notion how delightful it will be

When they take us up and throw us, with the lobsters, out to sea!"

But the snail replied "Too far, too far!" and gave a look askance—

Said he thanked the whiting kindly, but he would not join the dance.

????Would not, could not, would not, could not, would not join the dance.

????Would not, could not, would not, could not, could not join the dance.


"What matters it how far we go?" his scaly friend replied,

"There is another shore, you know, upon the other side.

The further off from England the nearer is to France—

Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but come and join the dance.

????Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the dance?

????Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance?"



Re: history - Edward Grey

 

The mobs have done the same in regard to Columbus.? Just read an excellent book based on the extensive writings by Columbus and others of his journeys to the new land.? He made several as did others.? Contrary to the claims of the mob Columbus did not abuse the natives but went to great lengths to try and prevent their abuse.? They were abused by others who Columbus had no choice but to leave behind when he returned.? Those others disobeyed Columbus's orders.? It is true some natives were treated very poorly and there were rapes.? Can't excuse it but it was the way things were done by many back then but Columbus was not part of it and tried to stop it.?


Re: Friday Five

 

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Hi,

I would like to unsubscribe from this group please. (I can't get the link at the bottom of the email to respond)

Thank you,

Deborah Theasby


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Amy Thompson <riisna@...>
Sent: 15 January 2021 18:42
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [M-Powered] Friday Five
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1. What do you think of impeaching a president who is going to be out of office before a trial can be held?
As Bill says - "Better late than never". Trump does have some entertainment value though.

2. Do you think the actions of January 6 were a coup attempt?
Yes.

3. ? What has happened to you this year so far that makes you think this year will be better than the last?
Two of my assistants who tested positive to the COVID virus recovered well.

4. Do you think China will invade Taiwan this year?
How would I know.

5. Who do you think will be the Person of the Year for Time magazine this year?
I've heard Biden has showed signs of senility in public. If he becomes senile that means Tamala Harris will become president and she will then become Time's person of the year for being the first woman president.

Amy


history - Edward Grey

 

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This is a book review from the?Critic. ?On starting to read it, I was struck by the first two paragraphs, which are a nice example of an always timely reminder that what we’re often inclined to think of as an incontrovertible judgement about a public figure - indeed, about anyone - is very likely to be distorted by the narrow context in which we fashion it.

I’ve copied the entire article here because I couldn’t find the text on the website.




Friday Five

Amy Thompson
 

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1. What do you think of impeaching a president who is going to be out of office before a trial can be held?
As Bill says - "Better late than never". Trump does have some entertainment value though.

2. Do you think the actions of January 6 were a coup attempt?
Yes.

3. ? What has happened to you this year so far that makes you think this year will be better than the last?
Two of my assistants who tested positive to the COVID virus recovered well.

4. Do you think China will invade Taiwan this year?
How would I know.

5. Who do you think will be the Person of the Year for Time magazine this year?
I've heard Biden has showed signs of senility in public. If he becomes senile that means Tamala Harris will become president and she will then become Time's person of the year for being the first woman president.

Amy


Re: Unbiased reporting from The New Yorker

 

I used to subscribe to it but Tina Brown became editor and dumbed it down.? Since then, I lost interest in the content, and dropped it, even though they were practically giving it away ($20/year) at yhe time.
Ed


On Thursday, January 14, 2021, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:

Sad.? I grew up thinking highly of that magazine, both for the quality of its writing and for the relative objectivity of its reporting.? I especially valued its cartoonists and it’s often beautiful covers.? All gone.


On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:

?"The House debate itself was another demonstration that, with those ten honorable exceptions, the House Republican caucus is populated with full-on Trumpers, who eagerly supported his antidemocratic crusade, and with pitiful wretches who, despite recognizing the danger Trump represents, are still too frightened to go against him.


Re: Unbiased reporting from The New Yorker

 

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Sad. ?I grew up thinking highly of that magazine, both for the quality of its writing and for the relative objectivity of its reporting. ?I especially valued its cartoonists and it’s often beautiful covers. ?All gone.


On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:

?"The House debate itself was another demonstration that, with those ten honorable exceptions, the House Republican caucus is populated with full-on Trumpers, who eagerly supported his antidemocratic crusade, and with pitiful wretches who, despite recognizing the danger Trump represents, are still too frightened to go against him.


Unbiased reporting from The New Yorker

 

"The House debate itself was another demonstration that, with those ten honorable exceptions, the House Republican caucus is populated with full-on Trumpers, who eagerly supported his antidemocratic crusade, and with pitiful wretches who, despite recognizing the danger Trump represents, are still too frightened to go against him.


Re: Oh oh, Democrats objected..

 

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Uh, oh. ?Mr. Muller and the NYT are in trouble now. ?Who let that piece be printed? ?Protest! ?Strike! ?Fire them!


On Jan 11, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:

?....to counting electoral votes in recent past elections, too:


Oh oh, Democrats objected..

 

....to counting electoral votes in recent past elections, too:


Schumer vows to fight

 


Clinton incites violence

 


Meanwhile, China reacts

 

From BBC: "China meanwhile attempted to draw comparisons between the rioters who entered Congress to try and subvert the US election result and pro-democracy protesters who stormed Hong Kong's Legislative Council last year.
Foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying claimed events in Hong Kong were more "severe" than those in Washington but "not one demonstrator died"."


Friday Five

Amy Thompson
 

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1. Are you glad the Nashville bomber blew himself up?
No, but I'm glad he can't harm more people. I wish he could have been removed from society before he hurt himself or anyone else.

2. ?Do you think more social unrest will occur next year than has happened this year?
If the vaccine becomes mandatory to enable one to function in society without a vaccine passport then there will be more unrest because not all people trust it.??

3. ? If a ventilator would probably save your life - would you want to be put on one?
Of course.

4. ?Adverse reactions are being reported to the various COVID vaccines - what level of adverse reaction would be required before you would not take the vaccine?
At this point I don't know.

5. ?How would you define beauty?
What's beautiful to me maybe ugly to someone else. So I'm unable to answer this question.

Amy


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Late night’s my favorite time to shop. ?And yes, I’ve been to Walmart then. ?But I’m probably not very observant. ?What should I be looking for?


On Dec 25, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:

?Don't you ever go to Walmart at night?
Ed

On Thursday, December 24, 2020, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:

Hi, Darrell!

Zombies are real?


On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

Hi, Steve and anyone else I remember from so long ago!

Just checking in. I personally have left governmental critiques behind in favor of inventorying my jump bag, but it is good to hear from everyone during the Apocalypse!

Has anyone seen a zombie yet?? :)

Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...


Re: Friday Five December 25

 

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1. Donald J. Trump
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes. Aside from the Christmas rush, I had a CT scan for my ear (been having problems for several months) on Monday morning and taking antibiotics for an ear infection.

Mele Kalikimaka!

Aloha,
Celeste


Marvin Chapman wrote:

1.? Who do you think was the most arrogant public figure of the twentieth century

2.??? Are you in lockdown from the epidemic right now?

3.?? Do you think the vaccine will stem the epidemic

4.??? Are you concerned about the new viral strain detected in England this last week?

5.??? Has this been as crazy a week for you as for me - two ER visits this week



Re: Friday five

 

Don't you ever go to Walmart at night?
Ed


On Thursday, December 24, 2020, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:

Hi, Darrell!

Zombies are real?


On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

Hi, Steve and anyone else I remember from so long ago!

Just checking in. I personally have left governmental critiques behind in favor of inventorying my jump bag, but it is good to hear from everyone during the Apocalypse!

Has anyone seen a zombie yet?? :)

Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...