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Re: Biden's plans
Amy Thompson
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of jim twist via groups.io <jimtwist2004@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:38 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans ?
About like there was no shooting during the Spanish Inquisition , just burning at the stake. The officer's knee was on the man's neck for what 8 minutes as I recall.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 04:36:00 PM CST, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
Incidentally there was no shooting involved in the George Floyd case - it was an officer engaging in a control move taught at the academy.
It would be a good idea to review the training - but also look at the autopsy - which showed Floyd with high levels of methamphatamine in his blood - otherwise known as he was high as a kite.
Marvin
I don't understand your perspective.? How can times be so good if Trump is the worst president in history? Up till 2020, the country was in excellent shape, despite the Democrats' incessant effort to unseat Trump since he started his term.
Unemployment was at record lows, the stock market was at record highs, we were disengaging from wars, not entering them, and black employment was the highest in history and the black/white wage gap was at its lowest.? Trump dealt succesfully with North
Korea, got us out of Syria, and increased sanctions on Russia and Iran.? He put other members of NATO on notice to pay their bills and got us out of counterproductive groups like WHO and the Paris Accords, renegiotiated the failed NAFTA agreement while dealing
with China and its unfair trade policies.
Coronavirus set the world back, and Trump's administration dealt with coronavirus by closing borders and commissioning vaccines in record time by cutting red tape.? Despite news reports to the contrary, the US is not the world's worst country, nor is it
worse than the EU. ?(Most of Africa doesn't record deaths at all, China's rate of covid is suspiciously low, as are many other Asian countries that basically do nothing about it, so you can only compare the US with other western nations.)
The George Floyd protests were caused by police shootings, which were the result of the militarization of the police force, which occurred under Obama's watch and since 9/11.? The protests also contributed significantly to the spread of covid, as the graphs
clearly show.
The Democrats scarcely campaigned; ?Biden suddenly emerged from the back of the pack late in the primaries, which was a backroom deal if there ever was one, and the party's strategy was to raise discontent of an already stricken nation by blaming everything
on Trump.
Most Democrats won't agree with the preceding, and some moderates buy into all that as well, but they should ask themselves when were times better?
I wasn't around between the Civil War and the Great Depression, and WWII, or the Korean War but came of age with the Red Scare, when McCarthyism took hold, followed by the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Berlin Wall, and everything else associated with the Cold
War.? Then we had the Civil Righs unrest, political assassinations, during the War in Vietnam and all those protests, Watergate, the economic crisis of the Carter years when we saw everyone's wealth destroyed by the inflationary recession, and ?brief respite
during the Reagan years, followed by the first invasion of Iraq, and the Cliinton years with all its scandals, the specter of AIDS, and the failure of NAFTA, and Chinese influence through campaign financing.? During those years, we also say American factories
close and the middle class gutted as American companies moved production to China with impunity.? Under Clinton, the dotcom bubble built up unabated with day trading that ruined millions of retirement savings.
The GW Bush administration was also an awful period in our history, starting with 9/11, the ill-conceived and hastily written Patriot Act that eroded civil rights, followed by the neverending war in Afghanistan and the occupation in Iraq.? Domestically,
we had the housing bubble, which crashed at the end of Bush's second term, ruining the equity again of millions of Americans.
Obama's years weren't exactly copacetic, either, as Obama dithered, keeping Afghanistan and Iraq festering and bleeding our economy dry while his anti-business executive orders quashed business expansion, making the slowest recovery in history.? During
Obama's watch, the opoid crises festered, while the Affordable Care Act, which gave away medical care to millions of poor Americans, made medical care unaffordable for privately insured middle class Americans like small businesses, which were largely ignored
during the Obama years, despite being the biggest drivers to our economy.
So, aside from the Reagan years, which were meh, not great, what period would you choose to live in that was better than the first three years of the Trump administration?? I'll agree that Trump was probably the worst orator in all that time, and was,
personally about the most abrasive and unlikable person to ascend to the presidency since Truman, but who cares when the economy is stable and everyone has a job and there aren't any wars?
Ed
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, Christian Nielsen <chrispnielsen@...> wrote:
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Re: Biden's plans
jim twist
About like there was no shooting during the Spanish Inquisition , just burning at the stake. The officer's knee was on the man's neck for what 8 minutes as I recall.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 04:36:00 PM CST, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
Incidentally there was no shooting involved in the George Floyd case - it was an officer engaging in a control move taught at the academy. It would be a good idea to review the training - but also look at the autopsy - which showed Floyd with high levels of methamphatamine in his blood - otherwise known as he was high as a kite. Marvin I don't understand your perspective.? How can times be so good if Trump is the worst president in history? Up till 2020, the country was in excellent shape, despite the Democrats' incessant effort to unseat Trump since he started his term. Unemployment was at record lows, the stock market was at record highs, we were disengaging from wars, not entering them, and black employment was the highest in history and the black/white wage gap was at its lowest.? Trump dealt succesfully with North Korea, got us out of Syria, and increased sanctions on Russia and Iran.? He put other members of NATO on notice to pay their bills and got us out of counterproductive groups like WHO and the Paris Accords, renegiotiated the failed NAFTA agreement while dealing with China and its unfair trade policies. Coronavirus set the world back, and Trump's administration dealt with coronavirus by closing borders and commissioning vaccines in record time by cutting red tape.? Despite news reports to the contrary, the US is not the world's worst country, nor is it worse than the EU. ?(Most of Africa doesn't record deaths at all, China's rate of covid is suspiciously low, as are many other Asian countries that basically do nothing about it, so you can only compare the US with other western nations.) The George Floyd protests were caused by police shootings, which were the result of the militarization of the police force, which occurred under Obama's watch and since 9/11.? The protests also contributed significantly to the spread of covid, as the graphs clearly show. The Democrats scarcely campaigned; ?Biden suddenly emerged from the back of the pack late in the primaries, which was a backroom deal if there ever was one, and the party's strategy was to raise discontent of an already stricken nation by blaming everything on Trump. Most Democrats won't agree with the preceding, and some moderates buy into all that as well, but they should ask themselves when were times better? I wasn't around between the Civil War and the Great Depression, and WWII, or the Korean War but came of age with the Red Scare, when McCarthyism took hold, followed by the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Berlin Wall, and everything else associated with the Cold War.? Then we had the Civil Righs unrest, political assassinations, during the War in Vietnam and all those protests, Watergate, the economic crisis of the Carter years when we saw everyone's wealth destroyed by the inflationary recession, and ?brief respite during the Reagan years, followed by the first invasion of Iraq, and the Cliinton years with all its scandals, the specter of AIDS, and the failure of NAFTA, and Chinese influence through campaign financing.? During those years, we also say American factories close and the middle class gutted as American companies moved production to China with impunity.? Under Clinton, the dotcom bubble built up unabated with day trading that ruined millions of retirement savings. The GW Bush administration was also an awful period in our history, starting with 9/11, the ill-conceived and hastily written Patriot Act that eroded civil rights, followed by the neverending war in Afghanistan and the occupation in Iraq.? Domestically, we had the housing bubble, which crashed at the end of Bush's second term, ruining the equity again of millions of Americans. Obama's years weren't exactly copacetic, either, as Obama dithered, keeping Afghanistan and Iraq festering and bleeding our economy dry while his anti-business executive orders quashed business expansion, making the slowest recovery in history.? During Obama's watch, the opoid crises festered, while the Affordable Care Act, which gave away medical care to millions of poor Americans, made medical care unaffordable for privately insured middle class Americans like small businesses, which were largely ignored during the Obama years, despite being the biggest drivers to our economy. So, aside from the Reagan years, which were meh, not great, what period would you choose to live in that was better than the first three years of the Trump administration?? I'll agree that Trump was probably the worst orator in all that time, and was, personally about the most abrasive and unlikable person to ascend to the presidency since Truman, but who cares when the economy is stable and everyone has a job and there aren't any wars? Ed On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, Christian Nielsen <chrispnielsen@...> wrote:
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Re: Biden's plans
Incidentally there was no shooting involved in the George Floyd case - it was an officer engaging in a control move taught at the academy. It would be a good idea to review the training - but also look at the autopsy - which showed Floyd with high levels of methamphatamine in his blood - otherwise known as he was high as a kite. Marvin I don't understand your perspective.? How can times be so good if Trump is the worst president in history? Up till 2020, the country was in excellent shape, despite the Democrats' incessant effort to unseat Trump since he started his term. Unemployment was at record lows, the stock market was at record highs, we were disengaging from wars, not entering them, and black employment was the highest in history and the black/white wage gap was at its lowest.? Trump dealt succesfully with North Korea, got us out of Syria, and increased sanctions on Russia and Iran.? He put other members of NATO on notice to pay their bills and got us out of counterproductive groups like WHO and the Paris Accords, renegiotiated the failed NAFTA agreement while dealing with China and its unfair trade policies. Coronavirus set the world back, and Trump's administration dealt with coronavirus by closing borders and commissioning vaccines in record time by cutting red tape.? Despite news reports to the contrary, the US is not the world's worst country, nor is it worse than the EU. ?(Most of Africa doesn't record deaths at all, China's rate of covid is suspiciously low, as are many other Asian countries that basically do nothing about it, so you can only compare the US with other western nations.) The George Floyd protests were caused by police shootings, which were the result of the militarization of the police force, which occurred under Obama's watch and since 9/11.? The protests also contributed significantly to the spread of covid, as the graphs clearly show. The Democrats scarcely campaigned; ?Biden suddenly emerged from the back of the pack late in the primaries, which was a backroom deal if there ever was one, and the party's strategy was to raise discontent of an already stricken nation by blaming everything on Trump. Most Democrats won't agree with the preceding, and some moderates buy into all that as well, but they should ask themselves when were times better? I wasn't around between the Civil War and the Great Depression, and WWII, or the Korean War but came of age with the Red Scare, when McCarthyism took hold, followed by the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Berlin Wall, and everything else associated with the Cold War.? Then we had the Civil Righs unrest, political assassinations, during the War in Vietnam and all those protests, Watergate, the economic crisis of the Carter years when we saw everyone's wealth destroyed by the inflationary recession, and ?brief respite during the Reagan years, followed by the first invasion of Iraq, and the Cliinton years with all its scandals, the specter of AIDS, and the failure of NAFTA, and Chinese influence through campaign financing.? During those years, we also say American factories close and the middle class gutted as American companies moved production to China with impunity.? Under Clinton, the dotcom bubble built up unabated with day trading that ruined millions of retirement savings. The GW Bush administration was also an awful period in our history, starting with 9/11, the ill-conceived and hastily written Patriot Act that eroded civil rights, followed by the neverending war in Afghanistan and the occupation in Iraq.? Domestically, we had the housing bubble, which crashed at the end of Bush's second term, ruining the equity again of millions of Americans. Obama's years weren't exactly copacetic, either, as Obama dithered, keeping Afghanistan and Iraq festering and bleeding our economy dry while his anti-business executive orders quashed business expansion, making the slowest recovery in history.? During Obama's watch, the opoid crises festered, while the Affordable Care Act, which gave away medical care to millions of poor Americans, made medical care unaffordable for privately insured middle class Americans like small businesses, which were largely ignored during the Obama years, despite being the biggest drivers to our economy. So, aside from the Reagan years, which were meh, not great, what period would you choose to live in that was better than the first three years of the Trump administration?? I'll agree that Trump was probably the worst orator in all that time, and was, personally about the most abrasive and unlikable person to ascend to the presidency since Truman, but who cares when the economy is stable and everyone has a job and there aren't any wars? Ed On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, Christian Nielsen <chrispnielsen@...> wrote:
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Re: Biden's plans
jim twist
Here is how I measure the Trump administration? pre covid, not even taking his lies and butchery of that situation in consideration . Also not taking in consideration his? role in the recent insurrection at the capitol building. First his relationship with Russia is a major concern, in regards to his personal business interests and his policies that go all out to benefit Russia. abandoning the Kurds and the trade war with China are cases in point. The stock market? rose , but wages did not, the stock market is not? the only way to measure the economy, and is an over rated measure that disproportionally benefits the most well off. He has validated? and emboldened racism , let me remind you of the 'fine people on both sides" comment. Then there was the Ukranian matter, for which his removal from office was only thwarted by partisanship. He has trashed our alliances,? abandoned our treaty with Iran, abandoned the Paris accords, has done everything to sabotage the nation and for that matter the world environmentally. We have Mexican and Central American children in cages, a non response to? a natural disaster in Puerto Rico, he has exponentially raised the deficit, and despite troop drawdowns the military budget has gone sky high. He has a department of education that seems to be anti education , an EPA that is anti environment , and there is undoubtedly more , but the above is what I can think of at the moment. BTW , calling him a poor orator is a massive understatement , he doesnt even speak in complete sentences.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 02:34:31 PM CST, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
I don't understand your perspective.? How can times be so good if Trump is the worst president in history? Up till 2020, the country was in excellent shape, despite the Democrats' incessant effort to unseat Trump since he started his term. Unemployment was at record lows, the stock market was at record highs, we were disengaging from wars, not entering them, and black employment was the highest in history and the black/white wage gap was at its lowest.? Trump dealt succesfully with North Korea, got us out of Syria, and increased sanctions on Russia and Iran.? He put other members of NATO on notice to pay their bills and got us out of counterproductive groups like WHO and the Paris Accords, renegiotiated the failed NAFTA agreement while dealing with China and its unfair trade policies. Coronavirus set the world back, and Trump's administration dealt with coronavirus by closing borders and commissioning vaccines in record time by cutting red tape.? Despite news reports to the contrary, the US is not the world's worst country, nor is it worse than the EU. ?(Most of Africa doesn't record deaths at all, China's rate of covid is suspiciously low, as are many other Asian countries that basically do nothing about it, so you can only compare the US with other western nations.) The George Floyd protests were caused by police shootings, which were the result of the militarization of the police force, which occurred under Obama's watch and since 9/11.? The protests also contributed significantly to the spread of covid, as the graphs clearly show. The Democrats scarcely campaigned; ?Biden suddenly emerged from the back of the pack late in the primaries, which was a backroom deal if there ever was one, and the party's strategy was to raise discontent of an already stricken nation by blaming everything on Trump. Most Democrats won't agree with the preceding, and some moderates buy into all that as well, but they should ask themselves when were times better? I wasn't around between the Civil War and the Great Depression, and WWII, or the Korean War but came of age with the Red Scare, when McCarthyism took hold, followed by the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Berlin Wall, and everything else associated with the Cold War.? Then we had the Civil Righs unrest, political assassinations, during the War in Vietnam and all those protests, Watergate, the economic crisis of the Carter years when we saw everyone's wealth destroyed by the inflationary recession, and ?brief respite during the Reagan years, followed by the first invasion of Iraq, and the Cliinton years with all its scandals, the specter of AIDS, and the failure of NAFTA, and Chinese influence through campaign financing.? During those years, we also say American factories close and the middle class gutted as American companies moved production to China with impunity.? Under Clinton, the dotcom bubble built up unabated with day trading that ruined millions of retirement savings. The GW Bush administration was also an awful period in our history, starting with 9/11, the ill-conceived and hastily written Patriot Act that eroded civil rights, followed by the neverending war in Afghanistan and the occupation in Iraq.? Domestically, we had the housing bubble, which crashed at the end of Bush's second term, ruining the equity again of millions of Americans. Obama's years weren't exactly copacetic, either, as Obama dithered, keeping Afghanistan and Iraq festering and bleeding our economy dry while his anti-business executive orders quashed business expansion, making the slowest recovery in history.? During Obama's watch, the opoid crises festered, while the Affordable Care Act, which gave away medical care to millions of poor Americans, made medical care unaffordable for privately insured middle class Americans like small businesses, which were largely ignored during the Obama years, despite being the biggest drivers to our economy. So, aside from the Reagan years, which were meh, not great, what period would you choose to live in that was better than the first three years of the Trump administration?? I'll agree that Trump was probably the worst orator in all that time, and was, personally about the most abrasive and unlikable person to ascend to the presidency since Truman, but who cares when the economy is stable and everyone has a job and there aren't any wars? Ed On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, Christian Nielsen <chrispnielsen@...> wrote:
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Re: politics - Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans
jim twist
?I agree with your procedural distinction , impeached in the house? ?convicted in the senate.? Let me remind you that Romney voted to convict last time out.? Mitch "grim repeater" McConnell has a record as an obstructionist party hack going back at least to the start of the Obama administration. He clearly has no interest in bipartisanship? , so why bother with him.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 01:32:48 PM CST, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
You said Cheney and McConnell voted to impeach - minor problems - McConnell is in the Senate not the House and the Senate does not vote to impeach - they vote as to whether or not to convict. Marvin Joe is in because Trump has literally screwed up everything he has touched, with the covid epidemic putting an exclamation point on it.? The people who in my opinion but Biden over the top were in my opinion, people generally inclined to vote GOP but were fed up with the corruption, the incompetence, the antics , the lies the hate mongering . Trump has left this country in shambles, with the most extreme of his followers engaging tn a literal insurrection . Biden and his team represent our best chance for sanity? in all aspects of American life.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 12:50:37 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
But he¡¯s a Democrat, no? ?The party is much more important here than old Uncle Joe. ?He¡¯s in there because his big smile made a nice election poster. ?If the party had put Ms Harris at the top of the ticket, they might well have lost. ?As it was, they had a close call. ?Now Joe will go to meetings and go wherever else he¡¯s guided. ?Ms H waits in the wings. ¡ª On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:42, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
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Re: Biden's plans
I don't understand your perspective.? How can times be so good if Trump is the worst president in history?
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Up till 2020, the country was in excellent shape, despite the Democrats' incessant effort to unseat Trump since he started his term. Unemployment was at record lows, the stock market was at record highs, we were disengaging from wars, not entering them, and black employment was the highest in history and the black/white wage gap was at its lowest.? Trump dealt succesfully with North Korea, got us out of Syria, and increased sanctions on Russia and Iran.? He put other members of NATO on notice to pay their bills and got us out of counterproductive groups like WHO and the Paris Accords, renegiotiated the failed NAFTA agreement while dealing with China and its unfair trade policies. Coronavirus set the world back, and Trump's administration dealt with coronavirus by closing borders and commissioning vaccines in record time by cutting red tape.? Despite news reports to the contrary, the US is not the world's worst country, nor is it worse than the EU. ?(Most of Africa doesn't record deaths at all, China's rate of covid is suspiciously low, as are many other Asian countries that basically do nothing about it, so you can only compare the US with other western nations.) The George Floyd protests were caused by police shootings, which were the result of the militarization of the police force, which occurred under Obama's watch and since 9/11.? The protests also contributed significantly to the spread of covid, as the graphs clearly show. The Democrats scarcely campaigned; ?Biden suddenly emerged from the back of the pack late in the primaries, which was a backroom deal if there ever was one, and the party's strategy was to raise discontent of an already stricken nation by blaming everything on Trump. Most Democrats won't agree with the preceding, and some moderates buy into all that as well, but they should ask themselves when were times better? I wasn't around between the Civil War and the Great Depression, and WWII, or the Korean War but came of age with the Red Scare, when McCarthyism took hold, followed by the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Berlin Wall, and everything else associated with the Cold War.? Then we had the Civil Righs unrest, political assassinations, during the War in Vietnam and all those protests, Watergate, the economic crisis of the Carter years when we saw everyone's wealth destroyed by the inflationary recession, and ?brief respite during the Reagan years, followed by the first invasion of Iraq, and the Cliinton years with all its scandals, the specter of AIDS, and the failure of NAFTA, and Chinese influence through campaign financing.? During those years, we also say American factories close and the middle class gutted as American companies moved production to China with impunity.? Under Clinton, the dotcom bubble built up unabated with day trading that ruined millions of retirement savings. The GW Bush administration was also an awful period in our history, starting with 9/11, the ill-conceived and hastily written Patriot Act that eroded civil rights, followed by the neverending war in Afghanistan and the occupation in Iraq.? Domestically, we had the housing bubble, which crashed at the end of Bush's second term, ruining the equity again of millions of Americans. Obama's years weren't exactly copacetic, either, as Obama dithered, keeping Afghanistan and Iraq festering and bleeding our economy dry while his anti-business executive orders quashed business expansion, making the slowest recovery in history.? During Obama's watch, the opoid crises festered, while the Affordable Care Act, which gave away medical care to millions of poor Americans, made medical care unaffordable for privately insured middle class Americans like small businesses, which were largely ignored during the Obama years, despite being the biggest drivers to our economy. So, aside from the Reagan years, which were meh, not great, what period would you choose to live in that was better than the first three years of the Trump administration?? I'll agree that Trump was probably the worst orator in all that time, and was, personally about the most abrasive and unlikable person to ascend to the presidency since Truman, but who cares when the economy is stable and everyone has a job and there aren't any wars? Ed On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, Christian Nielsen <chrispnielsen@...> wrote:
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Re: politics - Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans
You said Cheney and McConnell voted to impeach - minor problems - McConnell is in the Senate not the House and the Senate does not vote to impeach - they vote as to whether or not to convict. Marvin Joe is in because Trump has literally screwed up everything he has touched, with the covid epidemic putting an exclamation point on it.? The people who in my opinion but Biden over the top were in my opinion, people generally inclined to vote GOP but were fed up with the corruption, the incompetence, the antics , the lies the hate mongering . Trump has left this country in shambles, with the most extreme of his followers engaging tn a literal insurrection . Biden and his team represent our best chance for sanity? in all aspects of American life.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 12:50:37 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
But he¡¯s a Democrat, no? ?The party is much more important here than old Uncle Joe. ?He¡¯s in there because his big smile made a nice election poster. ?If the party had put Ms Harris at the top of the ticket, they might well have lost. ?As it was, they had a close call. ?Now Joe will go to meetings and go wherever else he¡¯s guided. ?Ms H waits in the wings. ¡ª On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:42, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
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Re: politics - Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans
jim twist
Joe is in because Trump has literally screwed up everything he has touched, with the covid epidemic putting an exclamation point on it.? The people who in my opinion but Biden over the top were in my opinion, people generally inclined to vote GOP but were fed up with the corruption, the incompetence, the antics , the lies the hate mongering . Trump has left this country in shambles, with the most extreme of his followers engaging tn a literal insurrection . Biden and his team represent our best chance for sanity? in all aspects of American life.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 12:50:37 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
But he¡¯s a Democrat, no? ?The party is much more important here than old Uncle Joe. ?He¡¯s in there because his big smile made a nice election poster. ?If the party had put Ms Harris at the top of the ticket, they might well have lost. ?As it was, they had a close call. ?Now Joe will go to meetings and go wherever else he¡¯s guided. ?Ms H waits in the wings. ¡ª On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:42, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
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Re: Biden's plans
-If Biden was? a CEO of a major company doing what he has done on TV - he would be fired immediately. The guy is a serial sexual harasser - if not abuser. Marvin Repeat that tomorrow after you see all his executive orders prepared by the party that he signs to fill their agenda. By the way, Trump isn¡¯t a conservative, which is interesting because of the amount of hatred that he¡¯s stirred up from the left.? Both Trump and Biden play to their crowd; neither has strong convictions. ? A few years ago, Biden was despised by women for his treatment of Anita Hill during Clarence Thomas¡¯ nomination hearings.? He was despised by the black community for his support for a tough law that resulted in ?millions of black men getting thrown in prison.? But since he was Obama¡¯s VP all has been forgiven.? It¡¯s just a matter time before he screws up, as Obama put it in a coarser way, despite the party propping him up. Ed On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, a1thighmaster <thighmaster@...> wrote:
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Re: Biden's plans
Tell me a president who didn't. Though there was the one who was president for one day - an accident of a calender. Marvin
Trump screwed up just about every day.
Amy
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed Lomas <relomas2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 8:42 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans ?
Repeat that tomorrow after you see all his executive orders prepared by the party that he signs to fill their agenda.
By the way, Trump isn¡¯t a conservative, which is interesting because of the amount of hatred that he¡¯s stirred up from the left.? Both Trump and Biden play to their crowd; neither has strong convictions. ?
A few years ago, Biden was despised by women for his treatment of Anita Hill during Clarence Thomas¡¯ nomination hearings.? He was despised by the black community for his support for a tough law that resulted in ?millions of black men getting thrown in
prison.? But since he was Obama¡¯s VP all has been forgiven.? It¡¯s just a matter time before he screws up, as Obama put it in a coarser way, despite the party propping him up.
Ed
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, a1thighmaster <thighmaster@...> wrote:
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politics - Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBut he¡¯s a Democrat, no? ?The party is much more important here than old Uncle Joe. ?He¡¯s in there because his big smile made a nice election poster. ?If the party had put Ms Harris at the top of the ticket, they might well have lost. ?As it was, they had a close call. ?Now Joe will go to meetings and go wherever else he¡¯s guided. ?Ms H waits in the wings. ¡ª On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:42, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
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Re: history - Edward Grey
-That can be said of almost all "great" historical figures. Marvin Fine , genocide and enslavement was a group effort. Columbus was a full participant and the poster boy, any revisionist nonsense to the contrary is just that nonsense. as I point out to my Italian American friends, and I have many just because of the part of Chicago from which I originate, there are far better people to honor, far better representatives? of Italian heritage.? |
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Re: politics - Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans
jim twist
Cheney and Romney have risen to meet the litmus test of voting to impeach Trump, proof that they have some semblance of integrity and some grip on reality, cant say that about most elected representatives of what has become the party of treason.?
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 11:13:07 AM CST, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
I just googled it and found this article. Ed On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, De <dfreshwater@...> wrote:
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jim twist
Fine , genocide and enslavement was a group effort. Columbus was a full participant and the poster boy, any revisionist nonsense to the contrary is just that nonsense. as I point out to my Italian American friends, and I have many just because of the part of Chicago from which I originate, there are far better people to honor, far better representatives? of Italian heritage.? |
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Re: history - Edward Grey
To Jim Twist.
No, that is not what happened in terms of who did what.? Columbus did not enslave the natives.? What many fail to realize is that it wasn't just Columbus who went over there and it wasn't always Columbus who was in charge.? There were many trips and many people who went back and forth.? For the things Columbus was in charge of he had great respect for the Natives and when he left to return to Europe he left some of his people behind.? Those people often did not follow his orders and some of them appear to have been quite despicable.? I can't recap an entire book in a couple sentences.? As to the Trial, yes, due to the actions of the bad folks he got a bum rap but was never, if I'm recalling the story correctly, actually convicted of anything meaningful.? Again, I can't recap an entire book with all the nuance.? I can say that your claim is without nuance or context and it almost entirely false in all meaningful particulars.? No, I don't' think my saying that will make the slightest difference in what you think.? If you are actually interested in the full story I recommend "Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem: How Religion Drove the Voyages that Led to America Paperback ¨C July 17, 2012"? It relies on first hand historical documents, not retellings of retellings or mindreading.? After reading it I was shocked at how poorly what passes for the teaching of History on this subject captures the actual events of the time.? And I'm not speaking just in terms of accuracy but in the larger view of putting things in FULL context with complete background.? The usual history simply rolls up the actions and motives of everyone and ascribes it all to Columbus with the only significant "goal" being "finding the new world".? There were many people, many motives and many stories. ¡°One of the 100 best books of the year.¡± ¡ªThe Times Literary Supplement Christopher Columbus is reevaluated as a man of deep passion, patience, and religious conviction¡ªon a mission to save Jerusalem from Islam. Five hundred years after he set sail, Columbus is still a controversial figure in history. Debates portray him either as the hero in the great drama of discovery or as an avaricious glory hunter and ruthless destroyer of indigenous cultures. In?Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem, Carol Delaney offers a radically new interpretation of the man and his mission, claiming that the true motivation for his voyages is still widely unknown. Delaney argues that Columbus was inspired to find a western route to the Orient?not only?to obtain vast sums of gold for the Spanish Crown?but primarily?to fund a new crusade to take Jerusalem from the Muslims before the end of the world¡ªa goal that sustained him until the day he died. Drawing from oft-ignored sources, some from Columbus¡¯s own hand, Delaney depicts her subject as a thoughtful interpreter of the native cultures that he and his men encountered, and tells the tragic story of how his initial attempts to establish good relations with the natives turned badly sour. Showing Columbus in the context of his times rather than through the prism of present-day perspectives on colonial conquests reveals a man who was neither a greedy imperialist nor a quixotic adventurer, but a man driven by an abiding religious passion.?Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem?is not an apologist¡¯s take, but a clear-eyed, thought-provoking, and timely reappraisal of the man and his legacy. |
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Re: Biden's plans
Christian Nielsen
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Ed, I suppose it all comes down to one's perspective. As an Independent voter who has voted both Republican and Democrat in my life, I see Trump as the worst president in history. Clearly, you don't see him that way.? It's okay that we agree to disagree.
Christian
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed Lomas <relomas2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 10:06 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans ?
"The sky isn't falling now that Trump didn't get re-relected....". Christian
The sky didn't fall in under four years of Trump, either, though he was castigated for some fuzzy reasons such as 'damaging America's standing' in the world, when most Americans have no
conception of how America is perceived elsewhere. ?
Trump is the first president in decades to stand up to the military, and even his modest resistance was treated as if it were a great tragedy for the free world. ?
He ignored Russia and confronted China, and now Biden will ignore China, the world's biggest threat, as Obama did, and puck a fight with Russia, a country with about as many people as
Mexico and an economy about the size of Canada's.
Ed
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, Amy Thompson <riisna@...> wrote:
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