Re: Friday Five November 8
"Facismo" no es más que una palabra que suena "educada" para "gente a la que detestamos profundamente". ?Tire su diccionario. ?Hoy en día, las palabras se utilizan para significar lo que el usuario quiere que signifiquen. ?La traducción siempre es necesaria cuando se vive fuera de la burbuja de los usuarios.
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On Nov 8, 2024, at 17:18, Anabel Perez via groups.io <perezbem@...> wrote:
? I was surprised at the questions and the answers.
Celeste mentioned a nationalist aspect, and considering the original politics that made it popular before wwii, it would seem so. However, checking the RAE (Spanish Royal Academy, the main authority on spanish language), it says:
1. m. Movimiento político y social de carácter totalitario que se desarrolló en Italia en la primera mitad del siglo XX, y que se caracterizaba por el corporativismo y la exaltación nacionalista.
2. m. Doctrina del fascismo italiano y de los movimientos políticos similares surgidos en otros países.
3. m. Actitud autoritaria y antidemocrática que socialmente se considera relacionada con el fascismo.
Sin.:?autoritarismo, totalitarismo, dictadura.
Ant.: antifascismo.
? ? It has no mention of nationalism. ?Why would that be? ?2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
?Why not? As long as it's within budget.?3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Ahh, true. But still, ?has ever the electoral college change the outcome??4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste mentioned pets being eaten. There's a saying in Spanish: "gato por liebre", meaning someone can be fooled (eating a cat instead of a wild rabbit). Also, there used to be rumors that chinese restaurants used rats and cats instead of chicken and beef. ?But what does any of it have to do with the elections??5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
Not withing the US regarding politics. The rest of the world... we have other issues.
El viernes, 8 de noviembre de 2024, 05:03:03 p.?m. ART, Darrell King via groups.io <darrellgking@...> escribió:
Why even bother going inside?
D The Elko Walmart often has people set up in the parking lot giving away free puppies.On Friday, November 8, 2024, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing= [email protected]> wrote: 4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
D On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 10:11?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five November 8
Slave market. ?Sick. ?Move, Ed, before they sell you.
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On Nov 8, 2024, at 14:30, Ed Lomas via groups.io <relomas2@...> wrote:
?The Elko Walmart often has people set up in the parking lot giving away free puppies. On Friday, November 8, 2024, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing= [email protected]> wrote: 4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
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Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
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On Nov 8, 2024, at 12:17, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? Oh, David, you can feel free to say what you really think?here. We are a safe environment!
:) 1.? What is a fascist?
An adherent of facism? I am not sure of the implied question, but my knee-jerk is that the term popularly refers?to anyone supporting a dictator.
often?Fascism?:?a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the?) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized??government headed by a??leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition?--
It's come by the political opposition and the news media to mean "a very, very, very bad heterosexual White male plotting and sneering frightfully and frighteningly just off stage".? My sense is that they think that by calling Trump a "Fascist" or a "Nazi", instead of simply "an aspiring dictator", they sound as though they have a deep understanding of history and so, as highly educated experts, can be trusted to know whereof they proclaim.? It's propaganda language.? All they're really saying is that he is an evil man who if elected and inaugurated would do unbelievably beastly things to the transsexual children upon whom the shining future of this disgracefully racist country depends .? The deplorable fools elected him anyway.
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Re: Friday Five November 8
Hi, Anabel!
1) Mirriam Webster online mentions nationalism in the definition of fascism.
2) (Now-) President Trump mentioned during an interview or debate a then-popular rumor that Haitian?refugees in Pennsylvania were eating small pets. This, if true (it was never substantiated), would have been a very serious breach of US hospitality.
Good hearing from you again!
D
I was surprised at the questions and the answers.
Celeste mentioned a nationalist aspect, and considering the original politics that made it popular before wwii, it would seem so. However, checking the RAE (Spanish Royal Academy, the main authority on spanish language), it says:
1. m. Movimiento político y social de carácter totalitario que se desarrolló en Italia en la primera mitad del siglo XX, y que se caracterizaba por el corporativismo y la exaltación nacionalista.
2. m. Doctrina del fascismo italiano y de los movimientos políticos similares surgidos en otros países.
3. m. Actitud autoritaria y antidemocrática que socialmente se considera relacionada con el fascismo.
Sin.:?autoritarismo, totalitarismo, dictadura.
Ant.: antifascismo.
? ? It has no mention of nationalism. ?Why would that be? ?2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
?Why not? As long as it's within budget.?3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Ahh, true. But still, ?has ever the electoral college change the outcome??4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste mentioned pets being eaten. There's a saying in Spanish: "gato por liebre", meaning someone can be fooled (eating a cat instead of a wild rabbit). Also, there used to be rumors that chinese restaurants used rats and cats instead of chicken and beef. ?But what does any of it have to do with the elections??5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
Not withing the US regarding politics. The rest of the world... we have other issues.
El viernes, 8 de noviembre de 2024, 05:03:03 p.?m. ART, Darrell King via <darrellgking= [email protected]> escribió:
Why even bother going inside?
D The Elko Walmart often has people set up in the parking lot giving away free puppies.On Friday, November 8, 2024, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing= [email protected]> wrote: 4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
D On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 10:11?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
|
Re: Friday Five November 8
I was surprised at the questions and the answers.
Celeste mentioned a nationalist aspect, and considering the original politics that made it popular before wwii, it would seem so. However, checking the RAE (Spanish Royal Academy, the main authority on spanish language), it says:
1. m. Movimiento político y social de carácter totalitario que se desarrolló en Italia en la primera mitad del siglo XX, y que se caracterizaba por el corporativismo y la exaltación nacionalista.
2. m. Doctrina del fascismo italiano y de los movimientos políticos similares surgidos en otros países.
3. m. Actitud autoritaria y antidemocrática que socialmente se considera relacionada con el fascismo.
Sin.:?autoritarismo, totalitarismo, dictadura.
Ant.: antifascismo.
? ? It has no mention of nationalism. ?Why would that be? ?2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
?Why not? As long as it's within budget.?3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Ahh, true. But still, ?has ever the electoral college change the outcome??4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste mentioned pets being eaten. There's a saying in Spanish: "gato por liebre", meaning someone can be fooled (eating a cat instead of a wild rabbit). Also, there used to be rumors that chinese restaurants used rats and cats instead of chicken and beef. ?But what does any of it have to do with the elections??5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
Not withing the US regarding politics. The rest of the world... we have other issues.
El viernes, 8 de noviembre de 2024, 05:03:03 p.?m. ART, Darrell King via groups.io <darrellgking@...> escribió:
Why even bother going inside?
D The Elko Walmart often has people set up in the parking lot giving away free puppies.On Friday, November 8, 2024, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing= [email protected]> wrote: 4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
D On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 10:11?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
|
Re: Friday Five November 8
Why even bother going inside?
D
The Elko Walmart often has people set up in the parking lot giving away free puppies.On Friday, November 8, 2024, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing= [email protected]> wrote: 4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
D On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 10:11?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
|
Re: Friday Five November 8
The Elko Walmart often has people set up in the parking lot giving away free puppies.
On Friday, November 8, 2024, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing= [email protected]> wrote: 4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
D
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
|
Re: Friday Five November 8
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Everything but your ast sentence I agree with.
Marvin'
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Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
?
2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is allowed.
?
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
?
4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets.
?
5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five November 8
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Good one!
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4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
?
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
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D
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On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 10:11?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
?
2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is allowed.
?
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
?
4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets.
?
5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five November 8
4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Celeste Answered:? "It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating people's pets."
And Darrell Wryly Noted: Just hit Walmart for groceries?while we are grounded in NE Arizona awaiting vehicle service. It Cost $300?to walk out the door and the cart was not overfilled nor extravagantly filled! If that does?not stop soon, I will be looking at the neighbor's chubby dog with a bit of salivation...?
D
On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 10:11?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
|
Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
An interesting observation, David. I will let it simmer some...
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Darrell answered.
Not really. I felt?it could go either way, but I was little surprised by size of the gap favoring the Republicans.
?
Just about all the wide gap shows, I'm guessing, is that people who live in and are dependent on the close control of the governments of large cities are not yet as numerous as the rest of us.? Have a look at your local maps showing where the red and blue votes came from.? Ohio, my state, has no mega cities, but its four largish cities are all blue and all the rest of the state is red.? It's dramatic.? It's the same with the contiguous forty states: ?blue in the tightly packed coastal regions and red everywhere else.
People who live in tightly-packed agglomerations are, I think, much more prone to groupthink than the rest of us.? Just to survive, city people need in a thousand ways to all behave in exactly the same way, and behaving leads directly to thinking.? Cities breed mono-minds.? Mono-minds vote for the machine.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
Oh, David, you can feel free to say what you really think?here. We are a safe environment!
:)
1.? What is a fascist?
An adherent of facism? I am not sure of the implied question, but my knee-jerk is that the term popularly refers?to anyone supporting a dictator.
often?Fascism?:?a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the?) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized??government headed by a??leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition?--
It's come by the political opposition and the news media to mean "a very, very, very bad heterosexual White male plotting and sneering frightfully and frighteningly just off stage".? My sense is that they think that by calling Trump a "Fascist" or a "Nazi", instead of simply "an aspiring dictator", they sound as though they have a deep understanding of history and so, as highly educated experts, can be trusted to know whereof they proclaim.? It's propaganda language.? All they're really saying is that he is an evil man who if elected and inaugurated would do unbelievably beastly things to the transsexual children upon whom the shining future of this disgracefully racist country depends .? The deplorable fools elected him anyway.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
.
However, I would?have guessed it began with the development of tribal groups early in Humanity's history. The exaltation of tribe (including the racial identity of members) under a strong leader planting the seeds for future dictators. I suppose I am overthinking again...
D
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?
1.? What is a fascist?
I actually intended to aak what is fascism - but also where it started
?
?
An adherent of facism? I am not sure of the implied question, but my knee-jerk is that the term popularly refers?to anyone supporting a dictator.
?
often?Fascism?:?a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the?) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized??government headed by a??leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition?--
2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
?
I am not sure because there are so many unstated supporting?details,?such as the question of who is paying. I would guess that there would be a whole bevy of civil?rights concerns to consider, not to mention the possibility of abuse via using paid special interests to approve public officials. Offhand, I would say no without hearing a good and comprehensive case in favor.
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
?
Not really. I felt?it could go either way, but I was little surprised by size of the gap favoring the Republicans.
4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
?
Really? How does one rate these? Government conspiracies?abound.
?
The strangest lack I noticed was that there could be such a surge in?UFO attention and so much effort and money suddenly spent on?space-related projects without a major response from the rumor mill. To be smack in the middle?of Covid, large-scale?weather extremes and global social/national unrest and yet still be applying major resources to reaching Mars seems a little odd to me. It is quite obvious Elon is extraterrestrial and our political leaders are paid alien agents.
5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
?
I expect there will be more to come, but likely different?in progression?and presentation from the Covid-era riot...er, demonstrating. I expect that ongoing warfare, civil issues and economic pressures, coupled with the increasing intensity of natural disruptions, will gradually increase social distress until sporadic unrest and violence leads to increasing social efforts to exert control. Which may evolve into?a self-perpetuating cycle. People?who are hungry, unhoused, ill and hopeless have little to lose.
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Re: Friday Five November 8
Fascism is a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that
exalts nation and often race above the individual. It is associated
with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social
regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition. This is
exactly what Donald Trump proposes.
2.?
Should a new president be allowed to hire private
entities to vet his appointees?
Only if the new president pays for it and no government subsidy is
allowed.
3.? Were
you surprised by the apparent outcome of the
presidential election?- remembering that the actual
election doesn't occur?until the electoral college
votes?
Yes. Many people were fooled.
4.? What
is the strangest rumor you have heard this election
season?
It was the false accusation that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were
eating people's pets.
5.? Do
you expect major unrest after the election?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
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Best expression I have seentyet!
Marvin
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On Nov 7, 2024, at 20:32, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
?
1.? What is a fascist?
?
Just came across this, from the Daily Sceptic:
?
Fascism for Dummies
A fascist has been elected 47th President of the United States of America.
Forgive me, but I think everyone has lost their mind.
I was just at a conference where a retired Anglican vicaress, during an academic lecture, advocated that we listen to?The Rest is Politics. This is a podcast I have never listened to: though I may now listen to the bits ‘Steerpike’ has excerpted??which indicate how those two feeble representatives of the New Scottish Enlightenment, Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart, have entirely failed to compute how the victory of a fascist could ever have taken place over a balanced, liberal, glass-ceiling-oriented SNL-sanctioned lady like Kamala Harris.
A few days before the election the?Guardian?published a??on Trump which asked the most important completely stupid question of our time, “Is Trump a Fascist?”
However, in a spirit of ecumenical indulgence, let us analyse.
I take fascism to be:
1. a name adopted by Mussolini for his Italian political movement,
2. by derivation, a general term for a strutting, mechanised, military mode of early 20th-century politics, opposed to communism, in favour of the nation, and
3. by further derivation – helped along by the utter defeat of the Axis in 1945 and by the assimilation of thorough no-enemy-to-the-Leftism in Western politics after 1945 – an easy term of political abuse. In effect, since almost no one calls himself or herself a fascist, the word ‘fascist’ is simply a term of political abuse.
Yet look how the raft of experts summoned by the?Guardian?pretends that it is a term of analysis.
This current spate of abuse began when John Kelly said Trump was a fascist. Kamala Harris agreed. Why not? And then out came the journalists and professors.
Expert 1: Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University.
Expert 2: Dr Brian Hughes, Associate Director of the Polarisation and Extremism Research and Innovation?at American University.
Expert 3: Heidi Beirich, Ph.D., the co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism.
Expert 4: Francesco Marone, Assistant Professor at the University of Teramo,? and a researcher at the Italian Institute for International Political Studies – “whose own country gave birth to fascism”, the?Guardian?adds, absurdly.
They are all experts on Right-wing extremism. Academics, begod. Except they aren’t academic at all. In fact, they are all extreme opponents of “Right-wing extremism”. Not only that. They seem to be opponents of everything on the Right, and proceed by a charming logic that turns ‘Right’ into – ‘far Right’ into – ‘fascist’.
Let’s quote ‘em:
- Stanley: “There couldn’t be a more obvious example of a fascist social and political movement about to take power… [Trump will] replace the government at all levels with loyalists… Political opponents will be targeted… America will be a one-party state from now on…” etc.
- Hughes: “Fascism isn’t a binary. Fascism is a process… there has been a lot of denialism, but the symptoms keep adding up… targeting political enemies… lawfare…” etc.
- Beirich: “Racist statements… race science… vile history… great replacement theory… empowered far-Right movements…”
I am bored, but Francesco Marone, the fourth expert, says that Trump isn’t a fascist. Oh dear. However, he is authoritarian, nationalist, male chauvinist, has a cult of personality etc. Oh, and a propensity to demonise political opponents. Just enough to persuade the?Guardian?sub-editor to keep this expert in the article.
Lord! Pots, kettles, black. These experts are evidently experts?in?politics, not experts?about?politics. For is it not true, and evident, that?everyone in politics demonises political opponents, for a while, and then, usefully, after winning or losing power,?demonstrates the usual political flexibility by ceasing to do so?(by exhibiting a bit of pragmatism or magnanimity)? Consider, say, the Democrats. Did they not demonise Trump? It is not as if Biden and Harris have been waving white flags or washing Trump’s feet for the past five years. Wasn’t ‘lawfare’ used against Trump?
I want to hold Jason Stanley, Yale Professor, to his prediction that 2024 now marks the end of the era of meaningful federal elections and the establishment of a one-party state in America. Jason and the Predictonauts.
Let me take a look at this Professor Stanley. He has written a lot of books, but he appears not to know the difference between a mote and a beam. (Ah, yes, Professor, that is a mote in my eye. But what is that in your eye? Is it a beam? Silence. Ah, he would like to talk a bit more about the mote in my eye.) Incidentally, he also has a strange form of reversed colour blindness which means he cannot see that both pots and kettles are black.
In?How Propaganda Works?(published by Princeton University Press in 2015) he studies the sort of propaganda he dislikes and refuses to consider the possibility that there is a sort of propaganda he likes and that he might be writing it. Princeton!
In?How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them??(published by Random House in 2018) he writes that “a certain kind of far-Right nationalism” = “fascist politics”. He discourses – of course – about?Mein Kampf?and the?Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He blandly suggests that fascism “covers up structural inequality”, and adds that it involves an “irrational fear of immigrants”. He says this without asking the obvious sceptical (equal and opposite) question which is whether he himself suffers from an irrational fear of his fellow-citizens. Random House!
In?Erasing History: How Fascists Rewrite the Past to Control the Future?(2024) – but I am bored. Look at the blurb, where a Pulitzer Prize-winning author explains that?they?(we know who they are) “promote the divisive politics of us versus them while denigrating cooperation, compromise and respect for others”, while?we, I take it, do the other thing. And, oh, no,?we?are not divisive.?They?are divisive,?we?are not: but since they are divisive, we’ll condemn them, though, er,?we?are not being divisive in condemning them, just caring, inclusive etc.
This should be engraved in stone somewhere.
It is the logic of the antifascists:
- We are not divisive.
- We have a position.
- It is true, authoritative, established.
- Our opponents oppose it.
- Therefore they are divisive.
- Divisiveness has no place in society.
- Ergo, we shall suppress, censor, exclude them.
- (No, we are still not divisive!)?????????
“Guilty”, says Justice Cocklecarrot, throwing his gavel at Professor Stanley’s head.
Where do we end? Well, the anti-fascists are fascists. They are perfectly dialectical, but just a bit dumb. Dummies. Hence this article, written to educate the dumb antifascists. Perhaps they should consider being a bit more narcissistic – a word they hate (the retired Anglican vicaress told me that Trump is a “narcissist”, and I hear that Rory Stewart sibilantly thinks so too) – as that would mean at least that they might look in a mirror occasionally and notice the beams in their own eyes. But no. They throw abuse (“fascism”) at their opponents, and then engage in a form of politics that is just a teeny weeny bit,?un petit peu?– fascist. Hush!
The word ‘fascist’ is a term of abuse. It is used mostly by the Left of the Right. But what is sauce for the goose-stepper is sauce for the gender-gander. And just as establishment Leftists like to tell us that the “far Right” and “populist” masses are “fascist”, so, in best sceptical manner, there should be some on the other side who look at the establishment Leftists and say that they are the fascists too.
Let’s make a start.
On November 5th 2024, Trump, fascist, defeated Harris, fascist.
We are all fascists now.
It doesn’t mean anything, just a term of abuse.
Dr. James Alexander is a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
On Nov 7, 2024, at 20:32, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
1.? What is a fascist?
Just came across this, from the Daily Sceptic:
Fascism for DummiesA fascist has been elected 47th President of the United States of America. Forgive me, but I think everyone has lost their mind. I was just at a conference where a retired Anglican vicaress, during an academic lecture, advocated that we listen to?The Rest is Politics. This is a podcast I have never listened to: though I may now listen to the bits ‘Steerpike’ has excerpted??which indicate how those two feeble representatives of the New Scottish Enlightenment, Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart, have entirely failed to compute how the victory of a fascist could ever have taken place over a balanced, liberal, glass-ceiling-oriented SNL-sanctioned lady like Kamala Harris. A few days before the election the?Guardian?published a??on Trump which asked the most important completely stupid question of our time, “Is Trump a Fascist?” However, in a spirit of ecumenical indulgence, let us analyse. I take fascism to be: 1. a name adopted by Mussolini for his Italian political movement, 2. by derivation, a general term for a strutting, mechanised, military mode of early 20th-century politics, opposed to communism, in favour of the nation, and 3. by further derivation – helped along by the utter defeat of the Axis in 1945 and by the assimilation of thorough no-enemy-to-the-Leftism in Western politics after 1945 – an easy term of political abuse. In effect, since almost no one calls himself or herself a fascist, the word ‘fascist’ is simply a term of political abuse. Yet look how the raft of experts summoned by the?Guardian?pretends that it is a term of analysis. This current spate of abuse began when John Kelly said Trump was a fascist. Kamala Harris agreed. Why not? And then out came the journalists and professors. Expert 1: Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University. Expert 2: Dr Brian Hughes, Associate Director of the Polarisation and Extremism Research and Innovation?at American University. Expert 3: Heidi Beirich, Ph.D., the co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism. Expert 4: Francesco Marone, Assistant Professor at the University of Teramo,? and a researcher at the Italian Institute for International Political Studies – “whose own country gave birth to fascism”, the?Guardian?adds, absurdly. They are all experts on Right-wing extremism. Academics, begod. Except they aren’t academic at all. In fact, they are all extreme opponents of “Right-wing extremism”. Not only that. They seem to be opponents of everything on the Right, and proceed by a charming logic that turns ‘Right’ into – ‘far Right’ into – ‘fascist’. Let’s quote ‘em: - Stanley: “There couldn’t be a more obvious example of a fascist social and political movement about to take power… [Trump will] replace the government at all levels with loyalists… Political opponents will be targeted… America will be a one-party state from now on…” etc.
- Hughes: “Fascism isn’t a binary. Fascism is a process… there has been a lot of denialism, but the symptoms keep adding up… targeting political enemies… lawfare…” etc.
- Beirich: “Racist statements… race science… vile history… great replacement theory… empowered far-Right movements…”
I am bored, but Francesco Marone, the fourth expert, says that Trump isn’t a fascist. Oh dear. However, he is authoritarian, nationalist, male chauvinist, has a cult of personality etc. Oh, and a propensity to demonise political opponents. Just enough to persuade the?Guardian?sub-editor to keep this expert in the article. Lord! Pots, kettles, black. These experts are evidently experts?in?politics, not experts?about?politics. For is it not true, and evident, that?everyone in politics demonises political opponents, for a while, and then, usefully, after winning or losing power,?demonstrates the usual political flexibility by ceasing to do so?(by exhibiting a bit of pragmatism or magnanimity)? Consider, say, the Democrats. Did they not demonise Trump? It is not as if Biden and Harris have been waving white flags or washing Trump’s feet for the past five years. Wasn’t ‘lawfare’ used against Trump? I want to hold Jason Stanley, Yale Professor, to his prediction that 2024 now marks the end of the era of meaningful federal elections and the establishment of a one-party state in America. Jason and the Predictonauts. Let me take a look at this Professor Stanley. He has written a lot of books, but he appears not to know the difference between a mote and a beam. (Ah, yes, Professor, that is a mote in my eye. But what is that in your eye? Is it a beam? Silence. Ah, he would like to talk a bit more about the mote in my eye.) Incidentally, he also has a strange form of reversed colour blindness which means he cannot see that both pots and kettles are black. In?How Propaganda Works?(published by Princeton University Press in 2015) he studies the sort of propaganda he dislikes and refuses to consider the possibility that there is a sort of propaganda he likes and that he might be writing it. Princeton! In?How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them??(published by Random House in 2018) he writes that “a certain kind of far-Right nationalism” = “fascist politics”. He discourses – of course – about?Mein Kampf?and the?Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He blandly suggests that fascism “covers up structural inequality”, and adds that it involves an “irrational fear of immigrants”. He says this without asking the obvious sceptical (equal and opposite) question which is whether he himself suffers from an irrational fear of his fellow-citizens. Random House! In?Erasing History: How Fascists Rewrite the Past to Control the Future?(2024) – but I am bored. Look at the blurb, where a Pulitzer Prize-winning author explains that?they?(we know who they are) “promote the divisive politics of us versus them while denigrating cooperation, compromise and respect for others”, while?we, I take it, do the other thing. And, oh, no,?we?are not divisive.?They?are divisive,?we?are not: but since they are divisive, we’ll condemn them, though, er,?we?are not being divisive in condemning them, just caring, inclusive etc. This should be engraved in stone somewhere. It is the logic of the antifascists: - We are not divisive.
- We have a position.
- It is true, authoritative, established.
- Our opponents oppose it.
- Therefore they are divisive.
- Divisiveness has no place in society.
- Ergo, we shall suppress, censor, exclude them.
- (No, we are still not divisive!)?????????
“Guilty”, says Justice Cocklecarrot, throwing his gavel at Professor Stanley’s head. Where do we end? Well, the anti-fascists are fascists. They are perfectly dialectical, but just a bit dumb. Dummies. Hence this article, written to educate the dumb antifascists. Perhaps they should consider being a bit more narcissistic – a word they hate (the retired Anglican vicaress told me that Trump is a “narcissist”, and I hear that Rory Stewart sibilantly thinks so too) – as that would mean at least that they might look in a mirror occasionally and notice the beams in their own eyes. But no. They throw abuse (“fascism”) at their opponents, and then engage in a form of politics that is just a teeny weeny bit,?un petit peu?– fascist. Hush! The word ‘fascist’ is a term of abuse. It is used mostly by the Left of the Right. But what is sauce for the goose-stepper is sauce for the gender-gander. And just as establishment Leftists like to tell us that the “far Right” and “populist” masses are “fascist”, so, in best sceptical manner, there should be some on the other side who look at the establishment Leftists and say that they are the fascists too. Let’s make a start. On November 5th 2024, Trump, fascist, defeated Harris, fascist. We are all fascists now. It doesn’t mean anything, just a term of abuse. Dr. James Alexander is a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
Darrell answered.
Not really. I felt?it could go either way, but I was little surprised by size of the gap favoring the Republicans.
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Just about all the wide gap shows, I'm guessing, is that people who live in and are dependent on the close control of the governments of large cities are not yet as numerous as the rest of us. ?Have a look at your local maps showing where the red and blue votes came from. ?Ohio, my state, has no mega cities, but its four largish cities are all blue and all the rest of the state is red. ?It's dramatic. ?It's the same with the contiguous forty states: ?blue in the tightly packed coastal regions and red everywhere else.
People who live in tightly-packed agglomerations are, I think, much more prone to groupthink than the rest of us. ?Just to survive, city people need in a thousand ways to all behave in exactly the same way, and behaving leads directly to thinking. ?Cities breed mono-minds. ?Mono-minds vote for the machine.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
On Nov 7, 2024, at 20:32, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
1.? What is a fascist?
An adherent of facism? I am not sure of the implied question, but my knee-jerk is that the term popularly refers?to anyone supporting a dictator.
often?Fascism?:?a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the?) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized??government headed by a??leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition?--
It's come by the political opposition and the news media to mean "a very, very, very bad heterosexual White male plotting and sneering frightfully and frighteningly just off stage". ?My sense is that they think that by calling Trump a "Fascist" or a "Nazi", instead of simply "an aspiring dictator", they sound as though they have a deep understanding of history and so, as highly educated experts, can be trusted to know whereof they proclaim. ?It's propaganda language. ?All they're really saying is that he is an evil man who if elected and inaugurated would do unbelievably beastly things to the transsexual children upon whom the shining future of this disgracefully racist country depends . ?The deplorable fools elected him anyway.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
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1.? What is a fascist?
Beside the obvious - I was looking for historical fascism - which first is credited to MUssolini in Italy.? I'm not sure that Zazi Germany really qualified as such - but the allies in WWII wanted to portray Germany as massively evil - even though the US was breaking international law right and left in 1940 and 1941.
2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
I would say emphatically yes - given the way the FBI and CIA have been playing games for the last ten years.
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
A little - but what was really interesting was that Trump got aobut a mill9ion fewer votes than he did in 2020, but Harris got more than ten million less than B Biden four years ago.
4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
Hard to say but the strangest was definitely the Clemson University football coach having to cast a provisional ballot because his sone of the same name had already? voted - the Right made quite a stink about that one.
4, Civil unrest - already happening in Chicago and New York.? I don't know if there ae any riots yet but it is still early.
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Re: Friday Five Novbember 8
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1.? What is a fascist?
I actually intended to aak what is fascism - but also where it started
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An adherent of facism? I am not sure of the implied question, but my knee-jerk is that the term popularly refers?to anyone supporting a dictator.
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often?Fascism?:?a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the?) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized??government headed by a??leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition?--
2.? Should a new president be allowed to hire private entities to vet his appointees?
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I am not sure because there are so many unstated supporting?details,?such as the question of who is paying. I would guess that there would be a whole bevy of civil?rights concerns to consider, not to mention the possibility of abuse via using paid special interests to approve public officials. Offhand, I would say no without hearing a good and comprehensive case in favor.
3.? Were you surprised by the apparent outcome of the presidential election?- remembering that the actual election doesn't occur?until the electoral college votes?
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Not really. I felt?it could go either way, but I was little surprised by size of the gap favoring the Republicans.
4.? What is the strangest rumor you have heard this election season?
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Really? How does one rate these? Government conspiracies?abound.
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The strangest lack I noticed was that there could be such a surge in?UFO attention and so much effort and money suddenly spent on?space-related projects without a major response from the rumor mill. To be smack in the middle?of Covid, large-scale?weather extremes and global social/national unrest and yet still be applying major resources to reaching Mars seems a little odd to me. It is quite obvious Elon is extraterrestrial and our political leaders are paid alien agents.
5.? Do you expect major unrest after the election?
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I expect there will be more to come, but likely different?in progression?and presentation from the Covid-era riot...er, demonstrating. I expect that ongoing warfare, civil issues and economic pressures, coupled with the increasing intensity of natural disruptions, will gradually increase social distress until sporadic unrest and violence leads to increasing social efforts to exert control. Which may evolve into?a self-perpetuating cycle. People?who are hungry, unhoused, ill and hopeless have little to lose.
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