1.? Should illegal immigrants be allowed to occupy vacant homes without the permission of the owner?
No one should be allowed to occupy vacant homes without permission of the owner.
2,? Should individual states be allowed to arrest illegal immigrants for trespassing?
States should be allowed to arrest trespassers regardless of their immigration status.
3.? Should the US laws be reciprocal toward visitors or immigrants to the degree that their home counties are to US visitors or immigrants?
No, the laws within a country should apply equally to every adult.
4.? The Baltimore bridge collapse - what happened?
A container ship’s power failed and it crashed into a bridge.
5.? ?Should the owner of the ship or the company that chartered it be held liable for the replacement cost?
Liability depends on the cause of the incident, and the cause has not yet been established.
Ed
On Friday, March 29, 2024, mrvnchpmn < chapman@...> wrote:
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1.? Should illegal immigrants be allowed to occupy vacant homes without the permission of the owner?
2,? Should individual states be allowed to arrest illegal immigrants for trespassing?
3.? Should the US laws be reciprocal toward visitors or immigrants to the degree that their home counties are to US visitors or immigrants?
4.? The Baltimore bridge collapse - what happened?
5.? ?Should the owner of the ship or the company that chartered it be held liable for the replacement cost?
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1.? Should illegal immigrants be allowed to occupy vacant homes without the permission of the owner?
2,? Should individual states be allowed to arrest illegal immigrants for trespassing?
3.? Should the US laws be reciprocal toward visitors or immigrants to the degree that their home counties are to US visitors or immigrants?
4.? The Baltimore bridge collapse - what happened?
5.? ?Should the owner of the ship or the company that chartered it be held liable for the replacement cost?
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1.? Define
the word disinformation
Disinformation is false information which is intended to mislead
others.
2.?
Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Well, I don't think any other nation can do anything effective in
Haiti. So we need to get our legislature to figure out what we
should do there and get a bill passed so we can do it.
3.? Who
is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Both Israel and Hamas
4.? What
20th century genocide killed the highest portion of
the single countries population?
Pol Pot's genocide in Cambodia
5.? ?Are
you considering voting for a third party presidential
candidate this year?
No.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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. 1.? Define the word disinformation Anything and everything that comes out of Justin Trudeau's mouth. That is, false information which is deliberately intended to mislead—intentionally misstating the facts. 2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti? No 3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
There is no famine crisis in Gaza. The claim of famine is more lies from Hamas, along with their lies about how many have been killed and how many of those are women and children. All of it "supported" by their booming Pallywood industry, where dolls or healthy people play the part of injured and dead civilians, with a liberal dash of fake blood splashed across the bandages that hide their healthy bodies. The part of "starving children" has mainly been played by one little boy with cerebral palsy, who is unable to eat normally and is very thin, with other signs, of course, of disability. I have seen him displayed in several different settings, usually being cried over by various healthily plump women.? Before October 7, approximately 70 trucks loaded with aid were entering Gaza every day. Now, there are well over 200 trucks loaded with aid entering every day. Israel is not in any way restricting the aid that can enter, and in fact is inspecting it far more quickly than it can be distributed; there are trucks lined up INSIDE Gaza, already admitted but not distributed. Plus, Israel has excess capacity to process even more aid, if anyone wants to send more. There are problems inside Gaza with distribution, thus there are a few pockets of hunger - NOT famine - ?in the north. Distribution problems include, of course, the trucks being seized by Hamas and the aid taken for their own use, or sold to the population at vastly inflated prices. Also, Hamas has been opening fire on the crowds of Gazans gathered to receive the aid. As well, vast crowds of unruly Gazans have been trampelling each other to death as the trucks arrive, or being run down by the trucks. Note that they have also injured and killed some of the drivers and damaged some of the trucks. This is not an orderly and peaceful population. 4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population? Armenia 1915. ?Note that there was another Armenian genocide in 2023, this time carried out by Azerbaijan. It sucks to live near an Islamic country or territory. 5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year? I'm not considering voting for any presidential candidate this year. I suspect the US system would object to a Canadian voting. On second thought, if I voted Democrat they'd probably let me do it multiple times. Why do they call it a "3rd party candidate"? They appear to be running as independents, not as part of a 3rd party. If I was voting in the USA I would probably vote for Mr. Trump. I also like RFK Jr., except for his extreme belief in the climate change hoax.? Pat ? ?
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To: [email protected]; [email protected]; m-scholars-and-scribes@...
Sent: Friday, March 22nd 2024, 06:35 AM
Subject: Re: [M-Powered] Friday Five March 22
? 1.? Define the word disinformation
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
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. Rwanda
600,000 versus population of 6.3 million ??9.5%
April 7 - July 14
Ukraine
3.3 million versus population of 36 million ? 9.2%
July 1932 - September 1933
Cambodia
3 million versus population of 6.3? million ? ?47.6%
1976 - 1978
Poland
6 million versus population 30 million ? ? ? ? ? 20%
? Armenia Records vary. 1.5 million out of a population of 1.9 million ? ? ?78.9% Or, 664,000 (min) vs a population of 1.5 million ? ? 44.3% Up to 1.2 million out of a population of 1.5 million ? ?80% 1915
Looks like Armenia wins the prize, though if one looked at the Jewish population of Europe in the 1930s to 1940s, the percentage slaughtered might be even higher.
Pat
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To: [email protected]; [email protected]; m-scholars-and-scribes@...
Sent: Friday, March 22nd 2024, 06:19 PM
Subject: Re: [M-Powered] genocide statistics
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Rwanda
600,000 versus population of 6.3 million ? 9.5%
April 7 - July 14
Ukraine
3.3 million versus population of 36 million ? 9.2%
July 1932 - September 1933
Cambodia
3 million versus population of 6.3? million ? ?47.6%
1976 - 1978
Poland
6 million versus population 30 million ? ? ? ? ? 20%
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Rwanda
600,000 versus population of 6.3 million
April 7 - July 14
Ukraine
3.3 million versus population of 36 million
July 1932 - September 1933
Cambodia
3 million versus population of 6.3? million
1976 - 1978
Poland
6 million versus population 30 million
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The only person who will be able to stop th e horrors will be the last person standing.
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Oh. Different?interpretations, ten, Ed.? I rarely use that particular perspective?of individual origin as I see every person (and his actions) as the sum of the contributing factors leading to that person in this moment. This does not mean?
I fail to recognize the contribution of the person's actions, but those actions would not exist without the infinite path of history that led to them.
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Netanyahu would not have acted exactly?as he did without the Hamas attack. Hamas would not have attacked without the contributions of both Palestinian and Israeli?history. Or without the holes in Israel's?defenses, or the sources that supplied the weapons and equipment. Those sources exist because of the impact of financial wealth on individual circumstances, etc, etc. In the end, in this moment, the only choice we each have is how we each act. We can assign blame, but we cannot reverse the actions that led us to that and so we have to ask what good are we doing?
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In the end, every turning point can be linked to a previous one.? Netanyahu > Hamas > Israeli?state > Palestinian state > Britain's choices in the Middle East > Islam > Judaism > Human minds > evolution > a mammal leaving the trees for life aground > a meteor devastating the dominant dinosaur population > the sun creating the Earth > gravity contributing the the path of that meteor > ...and so on. Each thing depends upon the last.
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I would ask, "Who can stop the horrors?"
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 1:47?PM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote:
When Marvin wrote who is to blame for the famine, I take it as meaning what one person could have stopped or avoided it.
As with Putin and the 100,000 deaths in Ukraine, the famine is due to Netanyahu's action. ?
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Not sure where the part about Putin having?nothing to do with it came from, Ed? My opinions?in the original response were that everyone and everything had a part in the long run up from the Big Bang to the Gaza war. Ukraine is, of course, just another version of the same phenomenon.?
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As for (not) feeding, I do not feel guilt is a required emotion. Or an effective one, for the most part. Yes, though, if I am not feeding or helping to feed (or heal or house or whatever), then I am contributing to the pain felt by those who are impacted. This seems obvious to me.
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Note that I am speaking for myself, not as a representative of the U.S., even though I did lace my post with some nationally relevant?thoughts. I do not think that I can speak for the masses even though I do feel the need to feed would be best served by widespread represetationinN!
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:57?AM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote:
So would you say the same about Ukraine? Putin had nothing to do with it; the Ukranians should share the burden for provoking the Russians, and we should have some collective guilt for not sending checks to feed the Ukranians?
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1.? Define the word disinformation
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Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
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Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
?
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
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My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
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Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
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Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
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All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
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I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
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The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
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The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
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It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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Was he supposed to just sit back and let Israelis die in their own homes - my thought was that Hamas started this and could end it at any point - but just keep it up to get notoriety - as well as the have more publicity about all the starving children who look a to more nourished than more of the third world.
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When Marvin wrote who is to blame for the famine, I take it as meaning what one person could have stopped or avoided it.
As with Putin and the 100,000 deaths in Ukraine, the famine is due to Netanyahu's action. ?
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Not sure where the part about Putin having?nothing to do with it came from, Ed? My opinions?in the original response were that everyone and everything had a part in the long run up from the Big Bang to the Gaza war. Ukraine is, of course, just another version of the same phenomenon.?
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As for (not) feeding, I do not feel guilt is a required emotion. Or an effective one, for the most part. Yes, though, if I am not feeding or helping to feed (or heal or house or whatever), then I am contributing to the pain felt by those who are impacted. This seems obvious to me.
?
Note that I am speaking for myself, not as a representative of the U.S., even though I did lace my post with some nationally relevant?thoughts. I do not think that I can speak for the masses even though I do feel the need to feed would be best served by widespread represetationinN!
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D
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:57?AM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote:
So would you say the same about Ukraine? Putin had nothing to do with it; the Ukranians should share the burden for provoking the Russians, and we should have some collective guilt for not sending checks to feed the Ukranians?
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1.? Define the word disinformation
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Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
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Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
?
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
?
My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
?
Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
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Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
?
All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
?
I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
?
The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
?
The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
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It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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Oh. Different?interpretations, ten, Ed.? I rarely use that particular perspective?of individual origin as I see every person (and his actions) as the sum of the contributing factors leading to that person in this moment. This does not mean?
I fail to recognize the contribution of the person's actions, but those actions would not exist without the infinite path of history that led to them.
Netanyahu would not have acted exactly?as he did without the Hamas attack. Hamas would not have attacked without the contributions of both Palestinian and Israeli?history. Or without the holes in Israel's?defenses, or the sources that supplied the weapons and equipment. Those sources exist because of the impact of financial wealth on individual circumstances, etc, etc. In the end, in this moment, the only choice we each have is how we each act. We can assign blame, but we cannot reverse the actions that led us to that and so we have to ask what good are we doing?
In the end, every turning point can be linked to a previous one.?
Netanyahu > Hamas > Israeli?state > Palestinian state > Britain's choices in the Middle East > Islam > Judaism > Human minds > evolution > a mammal leaving the trees for life aground > a meteor devastating the dominant dinosaur population > the sun creating the Earth > gravity contributing the the path of that meteor > ...and so on. Each thing depends upon the last.
I would ask, "Who can stop the horrors?"
D
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 1:47?PM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote: When Marvin wrote who is to blame for the famine, I take it as meaning what one person could have stopped or avoided it. As with Putin and the 100,000 deaths in Ukraine, the famine is due to Netanyahu's action. ?
Not sure where the part about Putin having?nothing to do with it came from, Ed? My opinions?in the original response were that everyone and everything had a part in the long run up from the Big Bang to the Gaza war. Ukraine is, of course, just another version of the same phenomenon.?
As for (not) feeding, I do not feel guilt is a required emotion. Or an effective one, for the most part. Yes, though, if I am not feeding or helping to feed (or heal or house or whatever), then I am contributing to the pain felt by those who are impacted. This seems obvious to me.
Note that I am speaking for myself, not as a representative of the U.S., even though I did lace my post with some nationally relevant?thoughts. I do not think that I can speak for the masses even though I do feel the need to feed would be best served by widespread represetationinN!
D
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:57?AM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote: So would you say the same about Ukraine? Putin had nothing to do with it; the Ukranians should share the burden for provoking the Russians, and we should have some collective guilt for not sending checks to feed the Ukranians?
1.? Define the word disinformation
Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Re: Friday Five March 22
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1.? Define the word disinformation
The simple answer - anything I disagree with.? The complex answer - anything twisted to achieve an objective.
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Didn't work in 1915 - why would it work now.? More importantly it would take away the impetus for the citizens of Haiti to start solving their own problems.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Hamas
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
I was thinking Rwanda when I wrote this.
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
Very definitely considering it
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When Marvin wrote who is to blame for the famine, I take it as meaning what one person could have stopped or avoided it. As with Putin and the 100,000 deaths in Ukraine, the famine is due to Netanyahu's action. ?
Not sure where the part about Putin having?nothing to do with it came from, Ed? My opinions?in the original response were that everyone and everything had a part in the long run up from the Big Bang to the Gaza war. Ukraine is, of course, just another version of the same phenomenon.?
As for (not) feeding, I do not feel guilt is a required emotion. Or an effective one, for the most part. Yes, though, if I am not feeding or helping to feed (or heal or house or whatever), then I am contributing to the pain felt by those who are impacted. This seems obvious to me.
Note that I am speaking for myself, not as a representative of the U.S., even though I did lace my post with some nationally relevant?thoughts. I do not think that I can speak for the masses even though I do feel the need to feed would be best served by widespread represetationinN!
D
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:57?AM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote: So would you say the same about Ukraine? Putin had nothing to do with it; the Ukranians should share the burden for provoking the Russians, and we should have some collective guilt for not sending checks to feed the Ukranians?
1.? Define the word disinformation
Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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Not sure where the part about Putin having?nothing to do with it came from, Ed? My opinions?in the original response were that everyone and everything had a part in the long run up from the Big Bang to the Gaza war. Ukraine is, of course, just another version of the same phenomenon.?
As for (not) feeding, I do not feel guilt is a required emotion. Or an effective one, for the most part. Yes, though, if I am not feeding or helping to feed (or heal or house or whatever), then I am contributing to the pain felt by those who are impacted. This seems obvious to me.
Note that I am speaking for myself, not as a representative of the U.S., even though I did lace my post with some nationally relevant?thoughts. I do not think that I can speak for the masses even though I do feel the need to feed would be best served by widespread represetationinN!
D
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:57?AM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote: So would you say the same about Ukraine? Putin had nothing to do with it; the Ukranians should share the burden for provoking the Russians, and we should have some collective guilt for not sending checks to feed the Ukranians?
1.? Define the word disinformation
Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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So would you say the same about Ukraine? Putin had nothing to do with it; the Ukranians should share the burden for provoking the Russians, and we should have some collective guilt for not sending checks to feed the Ukranians?
1.? Define the word disinformation
Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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1.? Define the word disinformation
Lying with a goal to gain advantage from the lie. Oh, what a tangled?web we weave...
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
Not out of the goodness of our hearts? To jump into the internal affairs of a sovereign?nation without invitation seems like an arrogant and probably dangerous precedent.
If we are invited in, like Kenya has been, then I could see it as more feasible, but the goal should be to establish a safe environment for noncombatants. It feels a lot like eliminating?ISIS, the Viet Cong, the South American cartels or Hamas, though: potentially a long campaign against guerilla forces on their home turf. The single advantage?in this scenario is that the people seem to be callously victimized and voting with their feet, which means the gangs may have lost the most important guerilla advantage of indigenous population support.?
My intuitive feel of the global mood right now is that every national move has become a potential step deeper into a mire intended to take down Western powers. Maybe we deserve it after all the profiteering, corporate abuse and?
general arrogance we have exhibited. I am not convinced we are evil, though, despite the special interest transgressions of the consumer?culture frenzy. The U.S. was built on some pretty defensible?ideals and I think they continue to have moral value. People around the world are hurting?(including inside the U.S.) and I think helping to alleviate some of that pain is a solid step toward a better world.?
Should we build a relationship with Haiti's legal government, provide civil police material help or counseling, or economic aid? Sure, if we are invited and if Haiti's authorities and populace are is willing to take the lead and shoulder the lion's share of the work involved. Crying children look the same no matter where they are photographed. But we would be helping, not rescuing.
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
Hamas, Israel, and every nation, group or individual who has taken a hand in the situation whether this year or 50 years ago. Also the Jewish God, Alah, all the angels and priests throughout history, worshiping populations and the media who report on them. Weather patterns?since the Earth was formed, the celestial bodies that impacted the formation of the Earth and any aliens who visited this planet throughout history...or prehistory.
All things (a humorous?concept, that one) are the consequences of everything that contributed to them and all contributes to each. The Butterfly effect. Blame Buddha for pointing it out.
I ate today and I sent no food to Gaza. Blame me for being responsible. When we each truly grasp that nobody is responsible and that we are all responsible, we may take a collective giant step forward.
The Palestinian State, the Jewish State, Islam, Christianity, nationalism and righteous indignation are all meaningless conceptual thought stories compared to the simple act of handing a sandwich to a hungry child.
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
The Armenian genocide seems to win at 90 percent according to Google. Congratulations to the Ottoman Empire, I believe. Russia?seems to figure in several of the other totals according to Wikipedia, though. Perhaps the wars in Europe and the Middle East will expand to include battlefield nukes and we can get a new record?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
It has crossed?my mind. Nobody showing an interest?so far has captured mine, though.
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1.? Define the word disinformation
2.? Should the US unilaterally intervene in Haiti?
3.? Who is to blame for the famine crisis in Gaza?
4.? What 20th century genocide killed the highest portion of the single countries population?
5.? ?Are you considering voting for a third party presidential candidate this year?
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<<Many of voting rules were changed, allegedly for covid, in many states.? In California, the ballots are mailed to homes, and there's no way to tell who actually voted or whether they even lived at the address of record.>>
Of course there is. Ballots had to be signed, and signatures were checked. <<No one really took a comprehensive look at who was voting because many of the election steps to ensure identity were eliminated. ?>>
Actually, Block who wrote the book did. As did other people that Trump hired. Trump paid Block $800,000 for his investigation, and I’d assume similar amounts to the other experts that Trump hired. The reports these experts wrote were never released, because they thoroughly disproved all the theft allegations and explained in detail all the proper procedures that were in place to make voting fraud almost impossible.
<<My sister in law's dog received an application to vote through the mail in Pennsylvania in the last presidential election, so I doubt that adequate steps were taken in some places to prevent unauthorized votes.>>
Sending out applications to vote by mail, does not mean that everyone who applies will be given a ballot.
In Pennsylvania, to register to vote by mail, the applicant must provide their social security number (which I assume your SIL’s dog doesn’t have), or their current PA driver’s license #, or a photocopy of unexpired passport, military ID, etc. ?After registration, then they can be sent a mail-in ballot. When they send back their mail in ballot, they must sign (signature is checked against their application.)
EVERY state that has mail-in voting has similar methods to verify that only legitimate voters are voting.
The idea that people are mailing in random ballots is patently untrue. People who try, are caught, and charged with election fraud.
<<This one guy who wrote a book that he is peddling is hardly proof of the integrity of untried systems throughout the country hurriedly designed and implemented in many very closely-contested areas controlled by Democrats.>>
As I stated above, it’s not just one guy. Trump paid millions of dollars to experts to find fraud or instances where fraud could occur. These experts not only found no fraud, they found it was virtually impossible to for any fraud to occur.
And not just these experts who looked at the systemic issues. Trump also hired many other groups, like the Cyber Ninjas to audit individual states. Plus the over 50 court cases that looked at Trump’s claims and found zero evidence.
<<America has a history of voter fraud.? LBJ in Texas and JFK in Chicago both benefitted form election fraud.>>
And since the 60’s, there have been many security procedures put in place, making such election fraud virtually impossible. Indeed, we now know that Trump is the one who tried to steal the election, but his attempts failed, because of the security procedures in place.
A comment from the news article is pretty telling “In the last couple of years, we've had a number of people sign up for poll work specifically to combat the "rampant fraud" they were sure that was going on. Most were surprised at the all the security measures and quickly found out that there was no easy way for even a couple of poll works to commit election fraud on a scale that would actually tip the balance of an election without getting caught and relatively quickly.”
I also have encouraged people who think there was voting fraud to volunteer to be a poll worker, and they will see that we can all be assured that elections are extremely secure in the US.
Rhonda
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Many of voting rules were changed, allegedly for covid, in many states.? In California, the ballots are mailed to homes, and there's no way to tell who actually voted or whether they even lived at the address of record.
No one really took a comprehensive look at who was voting because many of the election steps to ensure identity were eliminated. ?
My sister in law's dog received an application to vote through the mail in Pennsylvania in the last presidential election, so I doubt that adequate steps were taken in some places to prevent unauthorized votes.
This one guy who wrote a book that he is peddling is hardly proof of the integrity of untried systems throughout the country hurriedly designed and implemented in many very closely-contested areas controlled by Democrats.
America has a history of voter fraud.? LBJ in Texas and JFK in Chicago both benefitted form election fraud.
Ed
On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, FreedomRocks < HomeOfLove69@...> wrote: <<I looked?up some links o 2020 voter fraud assessments. While many of the links I found were media, the accumulated weight of the reports indicates there is no evidence?of any but an insignificant number of individually propagated cases. While a true massive conspiracy would likely also involve a comprehensive and presumably effective cover-up, I am wary of buying into such unsubstantiated suspicions. At this point, I do not believe there was a theft of the election?via fraud and I am the King of distrusting?politics and politicians!>>
Thank you for the links! Along with that, I just learned about a book that was just released by Ken Block. Block was hired by Trump in 2020 to find evidence of election fraud. Block thoroughly investigated every claim of fraud that the Trump campaign had knowledge of, and also independently looked at the data in several swing states. He found no evidence of fraud, other than isolated instances, and thoroughly disproved all the claims that the Trump Campaign had gathered.
News article about his findings (may be paywalled ? )
“Block describes the moment in a new book, “Disproven,” which will be released Tuesday.?In the book, Block reveals how, again and again in the months after the November 2020 election, he was tasked by Trump’s campaign with batting down??that??had won the election through fraud.
Block’s book provides an insider’s account of the desperate measures Trump’s campaign took to pursue allegations of voter fraud and of how quickly the campaign concluded internally that each one was invalid, even as the??by claiming the election was stolen…….
“At first, the requests were worded ‘Please try to verify this claim,’” he writes. “By the end, the requests were phrased ‘Tell me why this claim is wrong.’””
His book:
Rhonda
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<<I looked?up some links o 2020 voter fraud assessments. While many of the links I found were media, the accumulated weight of the reports indicates there is no evidence?of any but an insignificant number of individually propagated cases. While a true massive conspiracy would likely also involve a comprehensive and presumably effective cover-up, I am wary of buying into such unsubstantiated suspicions. At this point, I do not believe there was a theft of the election?via fraud and I am the King of distrusting?politics and politicians!>>
Thank you for the links! Along with that, I just learned about a book that was just released by Ken Block. Block was hired by Trump in 2020 to find evidence of election fraud. Block thoroughly investigated every claim of fraud that the Trump campaign had knowledge of, and also independently looked at the data in several swing states. He found no evidence of fraud, other than isolated instances, and thoroughly disproved all the claims that the Trump Campaign had gathered.
News article about his findings (may be paywalled ? )
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/10/trump-ken-block-campaign-fraud-book/
“Block describes the moment in a new book, “Disproven,” which will be released Tuesday.?In the book, Block reveals how, again and again in the months after the November 2020 election, he was tasked by Trump’s campaign with batting down??that??had won the election through fraud.
Block’s book provides an insider’s account of the desperate measures Trump’s campaign took to pursue allegations of voter fraud and of how quickly the campaign concluded internally that each one was invalid, even as the??by claiming the election was stolen…….
“At first, the requests were worded ‘Please try to verify this claim,’” he writes. “By the end, the requests were phrased ‘Tell me why this claim is wrong.’””
His book:
https://www.amazon.com/Disproven-Unbiased-Campaign-Improve-Elections/dp/1637632851/
Rhonda
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I looked?up some links o 2020 voter fraud assessments. While many of the links I found were media, the accumulated weight of the reports indicates there is no evidence?of any but an insignificant number of individually propagated cases. While a true massive conspiracy would likely also involve a comprehensive and presumably effective cover-up, I am wary of buying into such unsubstantiated suspicions. At this point, I do not believe there was a theft of the election?via fraud and I am the King of distrusting?politics and politicians!
We are less than one year away from Election Day and although there has been no new evidence or litigation regarding election fraud in the 2020 election, many people continue to believe that the 2020 election was flawed. In the summer,??showed that 22% of Republicans and 71% of Democrats have high confidence in votes being counted accurately in 2024. A more recent??found that among New Hampshire Republicans, over 50% believe Biden’s win was fraudulent, including 85% of Trump supporters. --?
...and so on. While I do not consider media reports or even formal, government-sponsored papers to be absolute proof of anything, I do think that a constant he-said, she-said back-and-forth over the?possibility is unproductive and this is why I rarely engage. We can only debate so far based on logic and opinion before we need factual evidence to go further.
D <<I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.>>
Indeed, the amount of people (even on this forum,) still telling easily disproven lies about the harmfulness of the COVID vaccine is scary. As thousands of unvaccinated people continue to die each week, its clear reality will not change their minds.
<<The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.?>>
Only a few cases of dead people voting were found….and in every case in 2020 and 2022 they were Republicans who cast a ballot for a dead person. Several other Republicans were also found guilty (or pled guilty) to other types of election fraud in 2020 and 2022, but none of them were enough to change any outcomes. ? US elections are incredibly secure. People committing election fraud are caught and harshly punished (even if the fraud was accidental, such as released felons voting but not realizing some states permanently take away their voting rights.) Anyone who doesn’t think so, needs to study up on all the mechanisms in place to prevent fraud. I’d suggest volunteering as an election judge, so you can see first hand how election security works.
<<A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.>>
How do you think that would prevent election fraud? Election fraud is extremely rare in the US. There is zero reason to think that voter ID would give better security than signature comparison. Also, voting is a constitutional right, unlike the 2nd amendment which says gun ownership should be “well regulated”, there is nothing in the constitutional saying that registration should be required, must less registration every 4 years. No clearly we don’t live in the days when everyone in town knew everyone and who could vote, so registration is a good way to make the election process fast and secure. But not every 4 years.
Rhonda
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<<Proof is very difficult as to whether or not Trump lost but there is no doubt that there were a lot of things going on that could have been used to invalidate the election.>>
Actually, there is no doubt that NOTHING that could invalidate the election happened.
<<Too many times more votes were cast than registered voters in precincts>>
Name one place where that happened. Trump lied about it happening in different places, but that actual ballots compared to registered voters prove it never happened.
<<and too many cases of people coming to vote and finding out they were listed as already having voted.?>>
I have only heard of 1 case of that happening, and that was pre-2020. Can you give me some of the names of people this happened to, because I have not heard of any cases of it happening in 2020 or 2022. Which I will agree doesn’t meet it didn’t happen to someone, somewhere, but this is extremely rare. And when it happens, its almost always a “helpful” family member who goes it to vote under someone else’s name. All states require either signature comparisons or ID or both—so not only does the person committing election fraud have to know the person’s name and the precinct they vote in, they must also be reasonably sure the person whose identity they are stealing won’t show up to vote later. Because if they do, then they risk the security camera footage being pulled to identify them, as well as their fake signature. And all of this to get 1 extra vote? This is a very labor intensive way to try steal and election, and practically speaking, its just not possible for that many criminals to all take on the identity of someone else, in any number great enough to actually swing an election (and that’s assuming that all of them were able to escape detection which is just not going to happen.)
<<And the handling of ballots was horibble.>>
No it wasn’t. There have been zero cases of “horrible” handling of election ballots. I really do think you should volunteer as an election judge and see all the security procedures in place. Trump told outrageously lies about horrible handling of election ballots, but every lie he told has been completely disproven. ? Rhonda
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