<<I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.>>
Indeed, the amount of people (even on this forum,) still telling easily disproven lies about the harmfulness of the COVID vaccine is scary. As thousands of unvaccinated people continue to die each week, its clear reality will not change their minds.
<<The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.?>>
Only a few cases of dead people voting were found….and in every case in 2020 and 2022 they were Republicans who cast a ballot for a dead person. Several other Republicans were also found guilty (or pled guilty) to other types of election fraud in 2020 and 2022, but none of them were enough to change any outcomes. ? US elections are incredibly secure. People committing election fraud are caught and harshly punished (even if the fraud was accidental, such as released felons voting but not realizing some states permanently take away their voting rights.) Anyone who doesn’t think so, needs to study up on all the mechanisms in place to prevent fraud. I’d suggest volunteering as an election judge, so you can see first hand how election security works.
<<A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.>>
How do you think that would prevent election fraud? Election fraud is extremely rare in the US. There is zero reason to think that voter ID would give better security than signature comparison. Also, voting is a constitutional right, unlike the 2nd amendment which says gun ownership should be “well regulated”, there is nothing in the constitutional saying that registration should be required, must less registration every 4 years. No clearly we don’t live in the days when everyone in town knew everyone and who could vote, so registration is a good way to make the election process fast and secure. But not every 4 years.
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<<And Darrell laughed: For just a moment, Rhonda, I thought you meant the "large minority" were saying that all public figures?were "bots."? I am a little scared by my mental process?at that point, as there was a nonverbal sense of that being crazy because AI bots are so new. Like, less that it could not happen and more that it just could not have happened very far in the past. The scary part was my sudden image of an AI President?winning the election this year. Now I am going to have to wonder if any future moon landings are new...>>
Haha! Although thinking of the future in 5 years with the incredible deep fakes we already have….the world is just going to get crazier.
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Proof is very difficult as to whether or not Trump lost but there is no doubt that there were a lot of things going on that could have been used to invalidate the election.
Too many times more votes were cast than registered voters in precincts and too many cases of people coming to vote and finding out they were listed as already having voted.? And the handling of ballots was horibble.
Marvin
And Marvin has just proven my point. Too many believe the lies and conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 vaccines. And too many people believe that Trump won the 2020 election (even though Trump himself doesn't believe that).
Aloha,
Celeste
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On 3/16/2024 9:44 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.
The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.? A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.
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And Marvin has just
proven my point. Too many believe the lies and conspiracy theories
about the COVID-19 vaccines. And too many people believe that
Trump won the 2020 election (even though Trump himself doesn't
believe that).
Aloha,
Celeste
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think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.
The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to
change the result is in question.? But there are too many
cases of dead people voting to be ignored.? A complette
reregistration at least once every four years along with voter
ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real
electorate from fraud.
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I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.
The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.? A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
According to ResearchGate, 1 percent increase in tickets issued leads to a 0.28 percent decline in motor vehicle accidents.
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2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
I would have to know what the record is in order to be able to answer this.
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3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
Probably not.
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4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes.
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5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but either the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about Trump winning the 2020 election are probably at the top.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Lotta tongue in cheek around my comment, Celeste!
Sometimes the questions here are prefaced with the phrase "Are you concerned about..." and I have many times commented that the given topic does not leave me concerned in the anxious way I interpret that word. On the topic of disinformation and misinformation and just information in general, however, I do feel a growing concern. This sparked my facetious comment to you. Put simply, taking nothing for granted or as obvious, how would I know? I believe that the art of informational spin?has reached new levels in the past few years and that availability to the facts has become more and more suspect. We can argue common sense and conspiracy bias all day long here, but the truth I am seeing emerge is that sociopolitical?'facts' are more vaporpus than even my suspicious mind have ever credited them with.?
Now AI is kicking in and the ride is just getting started!
D
Darrell,
LOL! Of course Trump lost in 2020. You don't think he didn't, do
you?
Aloha,
Celeste
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Celeste! Are you saying?Trump?did not win!??
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 1:17?AM Celeste
wrote:
5. What was
the most egregious example of disinformation
you have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but
either the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about
Trump winning the 2020 election are probably at the top.
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Darrell,
LOL! Of course Trump lost in 2020. You don't think he didn't, do
you?
Aloha,
Celeste
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Celeste! Are you saying?Trump?did not win!??
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 1:17?AM Celeste
wrote:
5. What was
the most egregious example of disinformation
you have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but
either the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about
Trump winning the 2020 election are probably at the top.
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Rhonda said: "...??there are apparently a large minority of people who believe that *all* US presidents and their spouses are/were secretly trans (as well as almost everyone else in the public sphere.) There are forums dedicated to analyzing facial features to “prove” this, and a huge number of participants. While I’d like to think they are all bots or trolls…"
And Darrell laughed: For just a moment, Rhonda, I thought you meant the "large minority" were saying that all public figures?were "bots."? I am a little scared by my mental process?at that point, as there was a nonverbal sense of that being crazy because AI bots are so new. Like, less that it could not happen and more that it just could not have happened very far in the past. The scary part was my sudden image of an AI President?winning the election this year.
Now I am going to have to wonder if any future moon landings are new...
1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Yes, but likely not as much as in countries where the penalty fee is based on one’s salary and not just a flat fee.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
Generally I think “threatening” is not a good idea. With most things in life, either do it or don’t. IE, if someone is trying to harm you, either shoot them or call the police, don’t “threaten.” If you are in a bad relationship, just break up with them, don’t “threaten” them. If someone has bad intentions, threatening them only tips them off to what you might do as a recourse, it’s not going to suddenly make them repent and do the right thing. So while I’m not sure about this exact situation, I’ll go with my general principal, either the US government should confiscate the money, or not. I see no point to “threatening.”
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
I don’t think so, but I don’t know much about this. I don’t think the US dollar lost value to the euro when it was created, so I don’t think we will lose value to BRIC countries making a currency either. At least not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Haha, does selling Avon count? I think legally it does. I did sell Avon for a few years, mainly because I was buying a tremendous amount of the product and it only made sense to become a distributor so I could get the discount.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
It is hard to pick just 1 example. I think the idea that the 2020 election was stolen is going around, when it most certainly wasn’t, is certainly in the running. The 2020 election was double, triple, quadrupled checked with so many court cases, so many recounts, there is no doubt that Biden won. Previously to 2020, I was one who had my doubt about election integrity. But with Trump’s 202 0 blatant lies, I actually learned about the process of how votes are counted, the many steps to prevent fraud, and seeing the numerous double/triple checks in many states, I now have ZERO doubt about election integrity. It’s just not possible in our modern age without getting caught.
But while that is likely the example with the most real world consequences, the absolute craziness of disinformation being passed around on social media is incredible. For instance, there are apparently a large minority of people who believe that *all* US presidents and their spouses are/were secretly trans (as well as almost everyone else in the public sphere.) There are forums dedicated to analyzing facial features to “prove” this, and a huge number or participants. While I’d like to think they are all bots or trolls….given how many people I know in real life (and even on this Mensa forum) who believe patently disproven beliefs, I sadly think that a good number of the people on those forums really believe a majority of people are trans.
Rhonda
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Celeste! Are you saying?Trump?did not win!??
1.? Do
traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
According to
ResearchGate, 1 percent increase in tickets issued leads to a
0.28 percent decline in motor vehicle accidents.
2.? Is
threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in
escrow for violations of international law by the US
government a good idea?
I would have to know what the record is in order to be able to
answer this.
3.? If
the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency -
will the US dollar lose value?
Probably not.
4.? Have
you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes.
5. What
was the most egregious example of disinformation you
have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but either
the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about Trump winning the
2020 election are probably at the top.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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You should run for a legislative?position, David!
Punishment always works.? Sending them to jail would work even better.? Beheading them would be best. 1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Without Googling for a moment, I suspect more careful and attentive driving would reduce accident rates. This is my attempt at logic based on the precept that most drivers want to avoid accidents. I also suspect most drivers want to avoid tickets due to cost and license impacts, so these drivers would keep an eye on things like speed limits and stop signs. Attention and mindfulness would seem to trump distraction when trying to avoid accidents.
Now I Google and fine in a superficial skim?several studies that indicate minor or no correlation between traffic tickets (stops) and reductions in accidents (or mortality.) One study indicated a "significant" correlation. There were confounding factors, such as the bias toward enforcing traffic aws at times and places of higher traffic activity, which would presumably itself correlate with higher accident rates. It is not as simple a question as I had first thought, but I will stand my my logic in the first para of my response.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Yes, but likely not as much as in countries where the penalty fee is based on one’s salary and not just a flat fee.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
Generally I think “threatening” is not a good idea. With most things in life, either do it or don’t. IE, if someone is trying to harm you, either shoot them or call the police, don’t “threaten.” If you are in a bad relationship, just break up with them, don’t “threaten” them. If someone has bad intentions, threatening them only tips them off to what you might do as a recourse, it’s not going to suddenly make them repent and do the right thing. So while I’m not sure about this exact situation, I’ll go with my general principal, either the US government should confiscate the money, or not. I see no point to “threatening.”
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
I don’t think so, but I don’t know much about this. I don’t think the US dollar lost value to the euro when it was created, so I don’t think we will lose value to BRIC countries making a currency either. At least not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Haha, does selling Avon count? I think legally it does. I did sell Avon for a few years, mainly because I was buying a tremendous amount of the product and it only made sense to become a distributor so I could get the discount.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
It is hard to pick just 1 example. I think the idea that the 2020 election was stolen is going around, when it most certainly wasn’t, is certainly in the running. The 2020 election was double, triple, quadrupled checked with so many court cases, so many recounts, there is no doubt that Biden won. Previously to 2020, I was one who had my doubt about election integrity. But with Trump’s 202 0 blatant lies, I actually learned about the process of how votes are counted, the many steps to prevent fraud, and seeing the numerous double/triple checks in many states, I now have ZERO doubt about election integrity. It’s just not possible in our modern age without getting caught.
But while that is likely the example with the most real world consequences, the absolute craziness of disinformation being passed around on social media is incredible. For instance, there are apparently a large minority of people who believe that *all* US presidents and their spouses are/were secretly trans (as well as almost everyone else in the public sphere.) There are forums dedicated to analyzing facial features to “prove” this, and a huge number or participants. While I’d like to think they are all bots or trolls….given how many people I know in real life (and even on this Mensa forum) who believe patently disproven beliefs, I sadly think that a good number of the people on those forums really believe a majority of people are trans.
Rhonda
It is
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1.? Do
traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
According to
ResearchGate, 1 percent increase in tickets issued leads to a
0.28 percent decline in motor vehicle accidents.
2.? Is
threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in
escrow for violations of international law by the US
government a good idea?
I would have to know what the record is in order to be able to
answer this.
3.? If
the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency -
will the US dollar lose value?
Probably not.
4.? Have
you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes.
5. What
was the most egregious example of disinformation you
have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but either
the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about Trump winning the
2020 election are probably at the top.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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On Mar 15, 2024, at 12:02, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
From the perspective of increasing U.S. wealth (assuming the U.S. was the entity?threatening confiscation and not the violator contributing to the reserves)?
I suspect consequences might include a less willing participation by anyone doing so voluntarily. I am far from an expert.
Try getting closer to him.
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Punishment always works. ?Sending them to jail would work even better. ?Beheading them would be best. On Mar 15, 2024, at 12:02, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Without Googling for a moment, I suspect more careful and attentive driving would reduce accident rates. This is my attempt at logic based on the precept that most drivers want to avoid accidents. I also suspect most drivers want to avoid tickets due to cost and license impacts, so these drivers would keep an eye on things like speed limits and stop signs. Attention and mindfulness would seem to trump distraction when trying to avoid accidents.
Now I Google and fine in a superficial skim?several studies that indicate minor or no correlation between traffic tickets (stops) and reductions in accidents (or mortality.) One study indicated a "significant" correlation. There were confounding factors, such as the bias toward enforcing traffic aws at times and places of higher traffic activity, which would presumably itself correlate with higher accident rates. It is not as simple a question as I had first thought, but I will stand my my logic in the first para of my response.
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I think I have to agree with your answer to the fifth question - though the report of the execution on the New York subway comes close - a black rider accused a latino rider of being an illegal alien who had attacked a policeman and started beating on him and pulled a gun, the latino's girl friend stabbed the black guy to defend her boy friend - then the latino took the gun away and shot the black guy in the head - he was just declared dead. The comment I saw was that if the black guy had been white, or the latino had been white racism would have been screamed all over the place but since it was minority on minority- not news.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
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Some do, some don't.? Speeding and red light tickets are probably more effective than driving too slow or improper lane change.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
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I don't know the context to that one, so I can't venture an opinion.
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3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?\
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I doubt it.? None of those currencies have an active market.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
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Sort of; I write articles for a magazine, and have a contract as an expert witness for a large corporation, but I hesitate to call them "work" because they either don't pay enough or occur often enough to make a substantial difference in my life.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
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Biden blaming the immigration crisis on the Republicans because they won't agree to the terms that were negotiated with the Democrats.? Biden caused the immigration crisis by canceling Trump's 'remain in Mexico' policy, wall construction, and allowing millions of undocumented immigrants into the country without proper vetting.? Biden could put the brakes on it all by reverting to the Trump doctrine and write executive orders to reverse the executive orders that he put in place immediately after taking office, but instead he blames the crisis that has since emerged on the Republicans.
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Ed
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Some do, some don't.? Speeding and red light tickets are probably more effective than driving too slow or improper lane change.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
I don't know the context to that one, so I can't venture an opinion.
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?\
I doubt it.? None of those currencies have an active market.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Sort of; I write articles for a magazine, and have a contract as an expert witness for a large corporation, but I hesitate to call them "work" because they either don't pay enough or occur often enough to make a substantial difference in my life.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
Biden blaming the immigration crisis on the Republicans because they won't agree to the terms that were negotiated with the Democrats.? Biden caused the immigration crisis by canceling Trump's 'remain in Mexico' policy, wall construction, and allowing millions of undocumented immigrants into the country without proper vetting.? Biden could put the brakes on it all by reverting to the Trump doctrine and write executive orders to reverse the executive orders that he put in place immediately after taking office, but instead he blames the crisis that has since emerged on the Republicans.
Ed
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Probably not - but they are a good excuse to search vehicles for other reasons.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
Emphatically not
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
Only one of many reasons
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Only for the last thirty five years - I don't care what the governor thinks!
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
There have been so many that I"m not confident of anything any more - I am confident the sun was shining eight minuts ago but not sure of much else - including that I am not an AI robot
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Without Googling for a moment, I suspect more careful and attentive driving would reduce accident rates. This is my attempt at logic based on the precept that most drivers want to avoid accidents. I also suspect most drivers want to avoid tickets due to cost and license impacts, so these drivers would keep an eye on things like speed limits and stop signs. Attention and mindfulness would seem to trump distraction when trying to avoid accidents.
Now I Google and fine in a superficial skim?several studies that indicate minor or no correlation between traffic tickets (stops) and reductions in accidents (or mortality.) One study indicated a "significant" correlation. There were confounding factors, such as the bias toward enforcing traffic aws at times and places of higher traffic activity, which would presumably itself correlate with higher accident rates. It is not as simple a question as I had first thought, but I will stand my my logic in the first para of my response.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
From the perspective of increasing U.S. wealth (assuming the U.S. was the entity?threatening confiscation and not the violator contributing to the reserves)?
I suspect consequences might include a less willing participation by anyone doing so voluntarily. I am far from an expert.
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
I do not know enough about international finance to contribute an informed opinion on such questions. I could go read, but time and interest are not aligning with the education potential!
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes, on several occasions during my life. In the 90's my wife and I owned a software engineering and web development company (staff: two owners and one subcontractor!) We worked on a contract basis with clients from around the world. I have also done so to a far lesser degree?with other services, such as book reviews and workamping. It has been a viable and interesting option over the years.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
?I have lost track of this. My daily news feed includes 2-4 examples of false rumors being challenged. I suspect Hamas, Russia, Israel and Ukraine are feeding me intentionally falsified news every day. Businesses are doing the same all over the Internet and special interest groups do such things as part of their very structure. No one example stands out, but I have found many to be head-shakingly disgusting. Covid itself mixed scientific validity with special interest perspectives to produce obvious manipulation of public opinion in order to sell products and buy votes. I get annoyed by advertising in general, so YMMV concerning my opinions?on such things!
I suppose the way criminal activity is skimmed selectively might count. For instance, this sheer number of disappearing people in the US annually, especially children and weaker citizens targeted by predators. The immigrant children raped and abused, the citizen child populations targeted, and yet the focus is subtly shifted to national saber rattling (or use), large-scale weather issues (valid dangers) and political circuses. I call disinformation?because of the obvious manipulation of public attention to emphasize profitable drama over widespread victimization?of the vulnerable.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
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On Mar 9, 2024, at 21:50, Pat Trivers <pat_trivers@...> wrote:
? . I suspect that the great majority of people have no idea of two important facts - first that the Palestinians had their own state in 1920 that was given away by the British as payoff to a tribe that supported them against the Turks and that the original partition plan gave the Palestinians a lot more land than they are fighting for now - but the surrounding countries decided to eradicate the new Jewish country.
Not quite, Marvin. I am guessing, by the Palestinians having their own state you mean Jordan? The British created Jordan by giving 70% of Palestine to the Arabs in 1917. It was and is a "Palestinian state" in the way most people mean that term, a state for the Arabs in Palestine. They had their state first. Also, what the Arabs are fighting for now is not less land than the 1947 partition plan would have given them. They don't want their own state (note that they already have that in Jordan, not to mention Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and a bunch more including their place of origin, the entire Arab peninsula). They don't want a "2-state solution" - they have never ?wanted that, have refused it 5 times. What they want is everything, all of Israel in addition to all those other countries and the land they currently occupy outside Israel. They want to drive the Jewish people into the sea, or slaughter all of them. And then they will continue with their conquest of the rest of the world, which is well underway in Europe and North America as well as the parts of Africa they haven't already occupied.? Pat
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1.? Would you hire a death doula? No, it’s not something I have any interest in. If its my time to die, its my time to die, I don’t need someone there to calm me down or whatever. I believe I will go to heaven or a positive experience…..but if I’m wrong and I go to hell or a negative experience or dead is dead, well a doula isn’t going to change any of that.
2.? What is the strangest fetish you have heard about recently?
I haven’t heard of any recently. I’ve been around long enough to know that any possible thing is a fetish for someone.
3.? ?What was the worst assumption a policy maker made in the 20th century?
Not a clue. I’ll say generally that people assuming that the other side, or that people on both sides in the future will be reasonable, is a bad assumption.
4.? ?Who was the most incompetent military officer of the 20th century?
Not a clue. I’m sure there are many contenders though!
5.? What was the worst geopolitical decision of the 20th century?
The establishment of Israel needed to be done differently, in a way that everyone living in that area at that time could be satisfied with. And if such a plan weren’t possible, than the establishment of Israel should have been put on hold until such a plan was possible.
I suspect that the great majority of people have no idea of two important facts - first that the Palestinians had their own state in 1920 that was given away by the British as payoff to a tribe that supported them against the Turks and that the original partition plan gave the Palestinians a lot more land than they are fighting for now - but the surrounding countries decided to eradicate the new Jewish country.
Marvin
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