// ?If any of those structures were missing or altered, I imagine it would?be a matter of an individual assessment.??//
In other words, it all depends on the judge and the jury and luck. ?In other words, following orders is always the legally safest thing to do, except when it's not. ?In other words, never take a job in which you're liable to receive orders from a hierarchical superior. ?In other words, be independently wealthy and never leave the house.
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Perplexity:
A "MOLST" or Medical Orders for Life-Sustaining Treatment is a medical order form used in the United States to document a patient's preferences regarding life-sustaining treatments. This form is particularly relevant for patients with serious health conditions or those who are at the end of their life. The MOLST form helps ensure that the medical care provided aligns with the patient's wishes, especially in emergency situations where the patient might not be able to communicate their preferences.
The MOLST form is recognized and used in several states, including New York, Massachusetts, and Maryland, among others. Each state may have its specific guidelines and procedures related to the completion and implementation of the MOLST form, but the core purpose remains the same—to provide clear instructions about a patient's preferences for treatments such as resuscitation, intubation, mechanical ventilation, and other life-sustaining interventions.
In New York, for example, the MOLST form is a bright pink document that must be signed by a licensed physician, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant. It is the only authorized form in New York State for documenting non-hospital Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) and Do Not Intubate (DNI) orders. The form is intended to travel with the patient across different care settings to ensure continuity of care and adherence to the patient's wishes[1][4][6].
In Massachusetts, the MOLST form is used similarly, allowing patients with serious advancing illnesses to document their treatment preferences. The form must be filled out based on discussions between the patient, their healthcare provider, and possibly family members or other trusted advisors. This ensures that the medical orders reflect the patient's values, goals, and preferred intensity of care at the end of life[3][5].
Maryland's MOLST form serves a similar purpose and replaces the earlier EMS/DNR form. It is a portable and enduring medical order that must be honored across healthcare settings, ensuring that the patient's treatment preferences are followed by all healthcare providers, including emergency medical services[8].
Overall, the MOLST form is a critical tool in patient-centered healthcare, enabling individuals to make informed decisions about their medical treatment and ensuring that these decisions are respected across healthcare settings[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8].
Citations: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Orders_for_Life-Sustaining_Treatment [2] https://molst.org/how-to-complete-a-molst/ [3] https://www.brighamandwomensfaulkner.org/patients-and-families/advance-care-directives/molst [4] https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/patients/patient_rights/molst/frequently_asked_questions.htm [5] https://www.molst-ma.org [6] https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/patients/patient_rights/molst/ [7] https://molst.org/how-to-complete-a-molst/molst-form/ [8] https://www.miemss.org/home/molst
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The states in the United States that use MOLST (Medical Orders for Life-Sustaining Treatment) forms are New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Ohio, and Maryland[2].
Citations: [1] https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/patients/patient_rights/molst/ [2] https://smartasset.com/estate-planning/molst-form [3] https://www.molst-ma.org [4] https://leadingageohio.org/aws/LAO/pt/sp/advocacy_molst [5] https://molst.org/how-to-complete-a-molst/molst-form/ [6] https://www.ons.org/cjon/20/1/implementation-medical-orders-life-sustaining-treatment [7] https://www.everplans.com/articles/state-by-state-polst-forms [8] https://polst.org/programs-in-your-state/
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? Much maligned after being attributed to the German citizenry in WWII, the "following orders" rationale still has some validity. The key point is whether?it is being used to abdicate responsibility?for unethical?behavior or whether it is being more validly applied as shorthand for "I was never expected to know the full reasoning for my superior's orders but I did my best as I understood the situation."
Were the orders legal? Were they ethical? Were they moral? National guard troops controlling protests come to mind. A nurse declining to provide treatment when her facility's management clearly does not allow it. or a nurse declining to provide life-saving measures when a doctor orders them stopped and a MOLST is known to be present. There could be a case for civil liberties violations in any of these scenarios.
Then come personal values. Do mine lean toward fitting in as a reliable component of my establishment, as with?a soldier who believes in the overarching?mission of his army? Or am I more of an individualist who finds myself in a tough position, or even in the wrong profession altogether? Do my values insist I should be placing my family first? After all, I love them and they are trusting me to fill my family role...
I would call the response "good faith" if it was executed faithfully and consistently by an actor who makes his course transparent. If any of those structures were missing or altered, I imagine it would?be a matter of an individual assessment.
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"I was just following orders." ?Would you call that "good faith"?? How about: ?"I was following orders that my contract obliged me to follow on pain of losing my job.? I have a family to support."
? 1.? Should public officials be chargeable for violations of civil rights of individuals to the same degree that private individual[s] are?
If we are speaking of the public official's private behaviour and if the offense is a crime or a civil violation, why not? Politicians and public?employees are not exempt from the law.
On the other hand, if this is a matter of an official act made in the execution of official's duties, this is more difficult. Some professions have internal regulatory processes for ethical or mechanical transgressions. Some are entangled in complex interactions between different forces, such as the challenges of teachers brought by the exploration of gender identity in public schools. In such a case, suing a teacher for supporting the stance of his school district?or applicable?governing body would be punishing the teacher for doing his job.
In general, I would?say that if the official?is acting in good faith within the boundaries of his office, then no. Those who violate civil rights while?transgressing the trust of their position are fair game.
2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?
Another new term for me.
Yes. I had to check with the wife, who handles the shopping, and my suspicions were right: she mentioned chips and cereal as examples.
Two members of my family have been growing vegetables and one even dries her own stores because the grocery?situation is getting worse for the consumer?such unobvious ways.
3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?
Duh.
4.? Were you surprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?
It was about what I expected, but my tax situation has simplified immensely since I retired.
5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?
I would say yes if the public expense or other impact is negligible. No fanfare is necessary--a simple decision?based upon precedent, law and which considers the seriousness of the offense should suffice.?
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Much maligned after being attributed to the German citizenry in WWII, the "following orders" rationale still has some validity. The key point is whether?it is being used to abdicate responsibility?for unethical?behavior or whether it is being more validly applied as shorthand for "I was never expected to know the full reasoning for my superior's orders but I did my best as I understood the situation."
Were the orders legal? Were they ethical? Were they moral? National guard troops controlling protests come to mind. A nurse declining to provide treatment when her facility's management clearly does not allow it. or a nurse declining to provide life-saving measures when a doctor orders them stopped and a MOLST is known to be present. There could be a case for civil liberties violations in any of these scenarios.
Then come personal values. Do mine lean toward fitting in as a reliable component of my establishment, as with?a soldier who believes in the overarching?mission of his army? Or am I more of an individualist who finds myself in a tough position, or even in the wrong profession altogether? Do my values insist I should be placing my family first? After all, I love them and they are trusting me to fill my family role...
I would call the response "good faith" if it was executed faithfully and consistently by an actor who makes his course transparent. If any of those structures were missing or altered, I imagine it would?be a matter of an individual assessment.
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// ? ?In general, I would?say that if the official?is acting in good faith within the boundaries of his office, then no.? ? //
"I was just following orders." ?Would you call that "good faith"?? How about: ?"I was following orders that my contract obliged me to follow on pain of losing my job.? I have a family to support."
? 1.? Should public officials be chargeable for violations of civil rights of individuals to the same degree that private individual[s] are?
If we are speaking of the public official's private behaviour and if the offense is a crime or a civil violation, why not? Politicians and public?employees are not exempt from the law.
On the other hand, if this is a matter of an official act made in the execution of official's duties, this is more difficult. Some professions have internal regulatory processes for ethical or mechanical transgressions. Some are entangled in complex interactions between different forces, such as the challenges of teachers brought by the exploration of gender identity in public schools. In such a case, suing a teacher for supporting the stance of his school district?or applicable?governing body would be punishing the teacher for doing his job.
In general, I would?say that if the official?is acting in good faith within the boundaries of his office, then no. Those who violate civil rights while?transgressing the trust of their position are fair game.
2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?
Another new term for me.
Yes. I had to check with the wife, who handles the shopping, and my suspicions were right: she mentioned chips and cereal as examples.
Two members of my family have been growing vegetables and one even dries her own stores because the grocery?situation is getting worse for the consumer?such unobvious ways.
3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?
Duh.
4.? Were you surprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?
It was about what I expected, but my tax situation has simplified immensely since I retired.
5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?
I would say yes if the public expense or other impact is negligible. No fanfare is necessary--a simple decision?based upon precedent, law and which considers the seriousness of the offense should suffice.?
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"I was just following orders." ?Would you call that "good faith"? ?How about: ?"I was following orders that my contract obliged me to follow on pain of losing my job. ?I have a family to support."
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? 1.? Should public officials be chargeable for violations of civil rights of individuals to the same degree that private individual[s] are?
If we are speaking of the public official's private behaviour and if the offense is a crime or a civil violation, why not? Politicians and public?employees are not exempt from the law.
On the other hand, if this is a matter of an official act made in the execution of official's duties, this is more difficult. Some professions have internal regulatory processes for ethical or mechanical transgressions. Some are entangled in complex interactions between different forces, such as the challenges of teachers brought by the exploration of gender identity in public schools. In such a case, suing a teacher for supporting the stance of his school district?or applicable?governing body would be punishing the teacher for doing his job.
In general, I would?say that if the official?is acting in good faith within the boundaries of his office, then no. Those who violate civil rights while?transgressing the trust of their position are fair game.
2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?
Another new term for me.
Yes. I had to check with the wife, who handles the shopping, and my suspicions were right: she mentioned chips and cereal as examples.
Two members of my family have been growing vegetables and one even dries her own stores because the grocery?situation is getting worse for the consumer?such unobvious ways.
3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?
Duh.
4.? Were you surprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?
It was about what I expected, but my tax situation has simplified immensely since I retired.
5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?
I would say yes if the public expense or other impact is negligible. No fanfare is necessary--a simple decision?based upon precedent, law and which considers the seriousness of the offense should suffice.?
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1.? Should public officials be chargeable for violations of civil rights of individuals to the same degree that private individual[s] are?
If we are speaking of the public official's private behaviour and if the offense is a crime or a civil violation, why not? Politicians and public?employees are not exempt from the law.
On the other hand, if this is a matter of an official act made in the execution of official's duties, this is more difficult. Some professions have internal regulatory processes for ethical or mechanical transgressions. Some are entangled in complex interactions between different forces, such as the challenges of teachers brought by the exploration of gender identity in public schools. In such a case, suing a teacher for supporting the stance of his school district?or applicable?governing body would be punishing the teacher for doing his job.
In general, I would?say that if the official?is acting in good faith within the boundaries of his office, then no. Those who violate civil rights while?transgressing the trust of their position are fair game.
2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?
Another new term for me.
Yes. I had to check with the wife, who handles the shopping, and my suspicions were right: she mentioned chips and cereal as examples.
Two members of my family have been growing vegetables and one even dries her own stores because the grocery?situation is getting worse for the consumer?such unobvious ways.
3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?
Duh.
4.? Were you surprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?
It was about what I expected, but my tax situation has simplified immensely since I retired.
5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?
I would say yes if the public expense or other impact is negligible. No fanfare is necessary--a simple decision?based upon precedent, law and which considers the seriousness of the offense should suffice.?
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1.? Should public officials be chargeable for violations of civil rights of individuals to the same degree that private individual are?
Emphatically yes - just because they are public officials should not give them any special privileges
2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?
Yes - I notice that a lot of commodiities are changing container size - and never for larger.
3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?
I thin?employees of any political campaign should be excluded from any trial involving politics - which this definitely is
4.? Were you suprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?
Not really - my income swas way down this year so I didn't pay as much as last year.? But I still pay almost as much as I get in Social Security
5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?
Of? course - high school graduation is the highlight of a lot of people's lvies
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2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?
3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?
4.? Were you suprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?
5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?
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. ?Dr. Aseem Malhotra testifies in Helsinki regarding mRNA vaxx and heart attack, and some of the reasons that people refuse to acknowledge the link. ?
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1.? Is the Iranian drone and ballistic missile attack on Israel a declaration of war?
It is a development in an existing war. Islamist extremists and Jewish extremists have made no secret of each having the goal of exterminating the other. Religious clothing is a long-existing fashion statement in the historical effort to drape the human lust for power in prettier bling. This is definitely an escalation, though, and a declaration of the willingness of Iran's various special interests to risk more in their determination?not to be seen as less. The children are drawing lines in the sand and then each is crossing the other's. I expect we will not see the end of such behavior anytime soon.
2.? ?What do you recommend?the Israelis do?
The Jews have a very powerful self-identity that is strongly founded on religious fervor as their God's chosen, on the concept of being unjustly persecuted, on the statement that they are entitled to their place in the Holy Land and on the perceived need to be seen as too scrappy to be worth attacking. My recommendation is that they promote their existing responses as propaganda to support that last part and otherwise secure the alliance with the wider world as part of an overwhelming coalition to enforce a rule of law on the international community and thus avoid widespread bloody warfare being used to settle differences.
What I expect?from the response is that the Old Testament example of God directing the?Israelites?to enact Holy punishment against the heathens for their transgressions against the Chosen of God will be a frontline banner was the IDF pours over terrorist positions. The Islamic groups will, of course, pursue the Holy jihad against the Israeli?heathens, so the Hebrew cause will have plenty of opportunity to wave such a banner.
With a little luck, Allah and God will get annoyed by all the noise and jackslap both sides.
3.? Is this the incident that is going to precipitate a full blown war in the Middle East?
I expect it is six and a half dozen because I can easily see it headed that way, yet such would be a very big step for the National Faces of the backroom extremists. Presently these have money, sex, sunshine and all the other material trappings of a great life. To officially join an all-out war would be too place everything they have on the line in a very risky move. OTOH, it presently is a fight for survival anyway and if their status quo is threatened by the global powers that be, they become cornered rats.?
I think it depends upon saving face and securing an attractive power balance in Palestine. If this does not happen, then war it is. Final answer.
4.? Will such a war extend beyond the Middle East?
Duh.
5.? What should the US do about this?
Pick the winning side and support it.?(Aligning with the losing side is obviously ill-advised.)?History has made it apparent that rooting out terrorist and guerrilla forces will be draining and expensive. Not to mention all to often unsuccessful. Colonization is not likely to be tolerated by the global community nor by the US citizenry. An overwhelming global coalition might have a chance putting the brakes on both terrorist activity and rogue state threats. Maybe.
I am personally hoping the actual international powers running the various national thrones decide that a global conflagration is not in line with their plans, but I am a diehard conspiracy theorist!
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1.? Is the Iranian drone and ballistic missile attack on Israel a declaration of war?
No.? The Iranians have stated that it's a measured response to Israel's bombing a Iranian embassy in another country.
2.? ?What do you recommend?the Israelis do?
Nothing. ?
3.? Is this the incident that is going to precipitate a full blown war in the Middle East?
It could precipitate WWIII
4.? Will such a war extend beyond the Middle East?
Possibly
5.? What should the US do about this?
Immediately suspend all aid to Israel?until Netanyahu resigns and a centrist government is in office.
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1.? Is the Iranian drone and ballistic missile attack on Israel a declaration of war?? Definitely - the question is who else is involved in the declaration.
2.? ?What do you recommend?the Israelis do?
Stand tall and take out as much of the Iranian military structure as possible.
3.? Is this the incident that is going to precipitate a full blown war in the Middle East?
I think such a war has been going on for years - it merely got really hot yesterday
4.? Will such a war extend beyond the Middle East?
Probably so
5.? What should the US do about this?
Enforce the embargo on Iranian oil exports - the best way would be to take out the loading facilities in the Arabian Sea.
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? 1.? Is the Iranian drone and ballistic missile attack on Israel a declaration of war?
No more than any other action Iran has done over the past decades.
2.? ?What do you recommend?the Israelis do?
I think they should do nothing. Israel shouldn’t have attacked the Iranian consulate in Syria, but they did, so Iran retaliated. Now Israel should just drop it.
3.? Is this the incident that is going to precipitate a full blown war in the Middle East?
No, I don’t think this will.
4.? Will such a war extend beyond the Middle East?
If the Middle East breaks out in full blown war, then yes, I think the war will spread, and every country will be affected. I also think China will take advantage of such a distraction to move into Taiwan.
5.? What should the US do about this?
Keep talking to both sides and try to get them to stop fighting.
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<<My doc is highly regarded.? Does open heart surgery and teaches.? He is not the only heart doc that has told me they can't write scripts for Valium. I've been doing my own research on afib.? It's a nerve problem, and Valium seemed to fit what I was looking for.? So I gave it a try, and sure enough, it calms my attacks or ends them in a half hour.?? I think the doc knows it works.? When I mentioned it he said 'Ah, good ol' Valium!'? followed by 'If I prescribed it I'd lose my license.' ?>>
He can’t write you a prescription for valium, because you want the valium for a nerve problem. Heart doctors are only going to treat your heart, they specialize in that. Patients insurance will only reimburse them for treating the patient’s heart, and the doctor’s own liability insurance will only pay for them for treating the patients heart (or will charge them a higher premium for doing non-heart treatments.) Because valium is a controlled substance, the DEA closely watches controlled prescribing—especially if the prescribing does not match the doctors speciality. This is why your doctor said he’d lose his DEA license if he prescribed Valium (DEA license is completely separate from physician license, but losing a DEA license means a doctor can no longer prescribe any controlled substance, which would be a huge problem for a doctor who does surgeries)—and your was undoubtedly being hyperbolic, the DEA doesn’t pull DEA licenses because of 1 questionable prescription, but it would be a red flag.
What you need to do is to talk to either 1) a neurologist 2) a pain specialist or 3) your general physician about getting a prescription of Valium for your nerve problem. These types of doctors can evaluate you for your nerve problem and decided the best course of therapy. Heart doctors don’t treat nerve problems.
<<Seems they can only prescribe what the drug companies recommend.??>>
This is 100% incorrect for many reasons. 1) all drugs (including valium and all of its generics) are made by drug companies. All drug companies recommend their own drugs. Including generic companies—in fact if you look through trade magazines, generic manufacturers often run just as many ads as the brand manufacturers do. 2) Drug companies have ZERO say over what doctors prescribe, and even wineing/dining to bribe a doctor into prescribing their drugs has been extremely curtailed for over 20 years. 3) it is insurance companies that dictate what doctors prescribe in that the vast majority of patients will not pay for prescriptions out of pocket, so doctors must prescribe what people’s insurance pays—even if the doctor thinks it’s a lesser treatment for that patient, a lesser treatment is better than no treatment. ? Rhonda
? So far, the pills have have gotten from him make things worse.
? I've been doing my own research on afib.? It's a nerve problem, and Valium seemed to fit what I was looking for.? So I gave it a try, and sure enough, it calms my attacks or ends them in a half hour.?? I think the doc knows it works.? When I mentioned it he said 'Ah, good ol' Valium!'? followed by 'If I prescribed it I'd lose my license.'
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1.? Is the Iranian drone and ballistic missile attack on Israel a declaration of war?
2.? ?What do you recommend?the Israelis do?
3.? Is this the incident that is going to precipitate a full blown war in the Middle East?
4.? Will such a war extend beyond the Middle East?
5.? What should the US do about this?
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Re: More bad news - from Japan
TBil,
Well, it's interesting that you've provided zero evidence that
COVID-19 vaccines were responsible for any of your maladies. You've
noted some correlations, but provided nothing to indicate any
causation. So you have no valid reason to blame your vaccinations
for anything that has happened to you.
Aloha,
Celeste
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*** Good for
you.? [I'll humor yu]
*** Cancer,
Afib, nerve problems...? All started with Covid and
vaccines .
*** Yes, I've
had Covid.? Nasty the first time, but never felt I was
going to die.? The first vaccine nearly killed me.?
The next 2 were no picnic.? Rather have the disease.
*** None,
Covid didn't cure my cancer.
*** My doc is
highly regarded.? Does open heart surgery and
teaches.? He is not the only heart doc that has told
me they can't write scripts for Valium.? Seems they
can only prescribe what the drug companies recommend.?
So far, the pills have have gotten from him make
things worse.?
*** I've been
doing my own research on afib.? It's a nerve problem,
and Valium seemed to fit what I was looking for.? So I
gave it a try, and sure enough, it calms my attacks or
ends them in a half hour.?? I think the doc knows it
works.? When I mentioned it he said 'Ah, good ol'
Valium!'? followed by 'If I prescribed it I'd lose my
license.'
*** Because I
could get the medical care I need.? Not just what is
dictated by the drug/government cartel.
I hope that
answers your questions.
Celeste
wrote:
I've
had 6 COVID-19 vaccinations (the first 2 plus 4
more boosters). I had no side effects from any of
them.
On what do you base your assertion that
vaccinations have lowered your life expectancy?
What makes you think that under Obamacare we'd all
live a little less?
Unless you actually had COVID-19 there's no way
you could get long COVID from the vaccines. So I'm
betting that you had at least one bout of
COVID-19. What evidence do you have that COVID-19
vaccine cured your cancer (I'm betting on none).
What did you or your doctor do wrong that you
can't be prescribed valium? Why would you need it?
What makes you think you would live longer if you
moved to Thailand or India?
On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:04:05 PM EDT, TBil
wrote:
The VAX has certainly lowered my life
expectancy.? But I thot that was the idea.? Obama
said under Obamacare we'd all live a little less.
My 3 problems from the VAX's [I had
3, needed them to travel]? are long covid [brain
fog, brain fatigue , boughts of anxiety], cancer,
and heart afib.? Cured my cancer [no help from my
doc], almost there with the brain fog but having
trouble getting what I need, and my heart doc who
does open heart surgery can't prescribe even a
small amount of Valium.? What has medicine come
to???
I think my life expectancy would rise
if I moved to Thailand. Or maybe India.? Not
Europe tho.? They are about as bad as the US. ??
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EDT, Pat Trivers wrote:
Dr.
John Campbell, with a recent study out of Japan
- where, apparently, there is more transparency,
less censorship. More bad news about C19 vaxx.
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<<The VAX has certainly lowered my life expectancy. But I thot that was the idea. Obama said under Obamacare we'd all live a little less.>>
No, Obama didn't say that. And the various COVID vaccines (4 in the US, over 30 world-wide...some more effective than others) have all been extremely successful in stopping the death rate from COVID that actually lowered the average life expectancy. Even today with most having some "natural" immunity, deaths from COVID among the unvaxxed are far higher than among the vax, and still killing around 1000 people each week. Many people today are alive solely because they were vaccinated against COVID--with your having cancer, that very well could be the case for you.
<<My 3 problems from the VAX's [I had 3, needed them to travel] are long covid [brain fog, brain fatigue , boughts of anxiety], cancer, and heart afib. Cured my cancer [no help from my doc], almost there with the brain fog but having trouble getting what I need, and my heart doc who does open heart surgery can't prescribe even a small amount of Valium. What has medicine come to?? >>
It is impossible to catch long COVID from COVID, as COVID vaccines are not "live" vaccines. Also, there is no way that COVID could have cured your cancer, but if it had, why would that be a problem? And why would you want your heart doctor to prescribe you valium, how would valium help your heart? You are aware that doctor specialists routinely only treat and prescribe for their specialty? Your heart doctor *could* prescribe valium, if there were a reason it would help your heart, but as a heart doctor, he isn't going to prescribe you valium for other reasons.
Your symptoms of long COVID, would be from COVID. Unfortunately it is next to impossible to avoid contacting COVID, as it is year round, and few people take precautions to prevent spread. Covid vaccination helps, but it won't completely prevent catching COVID. Especially if someone has cancer, the vaccine is less likely to work, and the person will be even more susceptible to cancer.
<<I think my life expectancy would rise if I moved to Thailand. Or maybe India. Not Europe tho. They are about as bad as the US.>>
Life expectancy in India is 67 years (significantly less in than in the US), in Thailand is 78 years....slightly higher than then US 76 years, although drug overdoses bring down the US's life expectancy, I'm not sure that moving to Thailand will change your individual life expectancy. UK life expectancy is 80 years, France 82 years, Germany 81 years.....so if you think moving to a different country will improve your life expectancy, France or another European country would be the country to move to.
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TBil,
I've had 6 COVID-19 vaccinations (the first 2 plus 4 more
boosters). I had no side effects from any of them.
On what do you base your assertion that vaccinations have lowered
your life expectancy? What makes you think that under Obamacare
we'd all live a little less?
Unless you actually had COVID-19 there's no way you could get long
COVID from the vaccines. So I'm betting that you had at least one
bout of COVID-19. What evidence do you have that COVID-19 vaccine
cured your cancer (I'm betting on none). What did you or your
doctor do wrong that you can't be prescribed valium? Why would you
need it?
What makes you think you would live longer if you moved to
Thailand or India?
Aloha,
Celeste
On 4/13/2024 4:03 PM, 't bill' wrote:
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The VAX has certainly
lowered my life expectancy.? But I thot that was the idea.?
Obama said under Obamacare we'd all live a little less.
My 3 problems from the
VAX's [I had 3, needed them to travel]? are long covid
[brain fog, brain fatigue , boughts of anxiety], cancer, and
heart afib.? Cured my cancer [no help from my doc], almost
there with the brain fog but having trouble getting what I
need, and my heart doc who does open heart surgery can't
prescribe even a small amount of Valium.? What has medicine
come to???
I think my life expectancy
would rise if I moved to Thailand. Or maybe India.? Not
Europe tho.? They are about as bad as the US. ??
Dr. John
Campbell, with a recent study out of Japan - where,
apparently, there is more transparency, less censorship.
More bad news about C19 vaxx.
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Re: More bad news - from Japan
<<Dr. John Campbell, with a recent study out of Japan - where, apparently, there is more transparency, less censorship. More bad news about C19 vaxx.>>
There is no single “C199 vaxx.” Which of the over 30 Covid vaccines is he talking about?
Rhonda
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Re: More bad news - from Japan
The study doesn't show that mRNA vaccines were the cause of any of
the health issues charted. Also, Dr. John Campbell is not a
reputable source of information about vaccines. It's not his area of
expertise.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
On 4/13/2024 3:10 PM, Pat Trivers
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Dr. John Campbell,
with a recent study out of Japan - where, apparently, there is
more transparency, less censorship. More bad news about C19
vaxx.
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. Dr. John Campbell, with a recent study out of Japan - where, apparently, there is more transparency, less censorship. More bad news about C19 vaxx. ? Pat
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