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When families no longer breed generation after generation, there are no more ancestors.? There is no history.? The seed of this was planted with the contraceptive pill (and the other devices using the same or similar chemicals) and the enthusiastic adoption of it by Western thought leaders.? Then we got the equally enthusiastic adoption of abortion.? Prevent children, kill children.? And now, of course, kill the old.? We have become a culture of pleasure and death.? Pleasure in the now and painless death when pleasure ceases to please.

On Apr 26, 2025, at 15:20, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing=[email protected]> wrote:

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I do not feel that procreation has ceased, David, although I do not have peer-reviewed RCT's evidence to back this feeling! I do, however, know many families who have intentionally bred children from their stated personal desires to do so. In this matter, I suspect the media has selectively emphasized a downtrend in population quantities?to alarm consumers because special interests like large herds of consumers to support profits. Having offspring is not "universally an intolerable burden" due to any emphasis on consequence-free sexual indulgence, although I do see some justifiable reasons to reconsider breeding. Ridiculous qualities of poverty come to mind, as do endless regional warfare and the pressures of consumerism pushing the nuclear family into fulltime work.

The species may be flirting with extinction, but I suspect such an outcome will come from more dramatic influences than excited bunny-hopping away from breeding.?

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On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 11:04?AM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

"Paying women to have more children" is putting crudely what has been the tacit policy of world governments for many hundreds of years.? Only with the intense emphasis over the past half century or so on a "right" of every human being to experience as much sexual pleasure as he or she can stand has having offspring as a result of copulation become almost universally considered a nearly intolerable burden.? If the western world's priorities are to prevail, humans everywhere will cease to procreate and the race will die off.? Or maybe Aldous Huxley's vision of governments deciding on how many babies - and of which kinds - are desired to keep the species alive will prevail.

On Apr 26, 2025, at 13:32, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing=[email protected]> wrote:

Is paying women to have children a good idea?

I understand that farming consumers?pays more when there are many full stalls in the factory farm. I do not think we really need more people, however. We have outstripped out social wisdom and natural resource production. I suppose the idea has smaller validity if someone wants a specific genetic line continued or cannot have his or her own children, but I do not support?the urgency to slow population decline when the numbers are still in the multiple billions.